“Two great resurrections await the inhabitants of the earth: one is the first resurrection, the resurrection of life, the resurrection of the just; the other is the second resurrection, the resurrection of damnation, the resurrection of the unjust.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Now what is the resurrection into life?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The resurrection of the unjust or wicked

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Timeline of these resurrections

1. First resurrection occurs before the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ

2. Second resurrection occurs after the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

See what is said of the first resurrection 👇

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So My Question is this, when exactly is the Rapture of the saint supposed to happen?

because Rapture means resurrection of the dead believers and undead believers to meet with Jesus Christ when He comes to take the saint.

obonujoker:

“Two great resurrections await the inhabitants of the earth: one is the first resurrection, the resurrection of life, the resurrection of the just; the other is the second resurrection, the resurrection of damnation, the resurrection of the unjust.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Now what is the resurrection into life?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The resurrection of the unjust or wicked

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Timeline of these resurrections

1. First resurrection occurs before the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ

2. Second resurrection occurs after the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

See what is said of the first resurrection 👇

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So My Question is this, when exactly is the Rapture of the saint supposed to happen?

because RAPTURE means resurrection of the dead believers and undead believers to meet with Jesus Christ when He comes to take the saint.

Please can you QUOTE the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

obonujoker:
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So My Question is this, when exactly is the Rapture of the saint supposed to happen?

because Rapture means resurrection of the dead believers and undead believers to meet with Jesus Christ when He comes to take the saint.

Sorry, again. Rapture does not correctly mean resurrection of the dead.

It means something else which that resurrection of the dead shows you.

And the hints are in the books of the prophets for the rapture has taking place.

Sorry again,i.say!

MaxInDHouse:


Please can you QUOTE the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

Is the word Bible in the bible? Bye in retreat!

MaxInDHouse:


Please can you QUOTE the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

The word "Rapture" doesn't appear, but the phenomenon does appear

obonujoker:

The word "Rapture" doesn't appear, but the phenomenon does appear

So if it doesn't appear then focus on what the Bible says not on RAPTURE since that word is not found anywhere in the Bible!

“Rapture” is the first resurrection. Case closed.

“Rapture” is the first resurrection. And that is after the great tribulation. Case closed.

StillDtruth:


Sorry, again. Rapture does not correctly mean resurrection of the dead.

It means something else which that resurrection of the dead shows you.

And the hints are in the books of the prophets for the rapture has taking place.

Sorry again,i.say!

How do you mean Sir? The Rapture has taken place?

Do you mean those that resurrected with Jesus Christ when He arose from the dead after 3 days?

OkCornel:
“Rapture” is the second resurrection. And that is after the great tribulation. Case closed.

You mean "First" bro?

obonujoker:


You mean "First" bro?

My bad, first resurrection. Revelation 20 v 1-4

obonujoker:


How do you mean Sir? The Rapture has taken place?

Do you mean those that resurrected with Jesus Christ when He arose from the dead after 3 days?

I just told you that the resurrsction of the dead is not the rapture. But the rapture is inside it, check deeply and if you see it, you would see the other scriptures which said it.

StillDtruth:


I just told you that the resurrsction of the dead is not the rapture. But the rapture is inside it, check deeply and if you see it, you would see the other scriptures which said it.

So you don't believe in Pre tribulation rapture then bro?

obonujoker:


So you don't believe in Pre tribulation rapture then bro?

Are we not already in the troublelations?

The Bible is coded and only alive in the hands of the ancient ppl whose ancestors wrote it.
Their is nothing like Rapture. The word Rapture has the root word RA which means LIGHT and also the ancient name of a wise one. Rapture means a time when a great light will shine which will lead to many awakening from many of your religious lies. They will begin to see an expose the many lies in your religions. They will no longer be comfortable with many lies in your religions

What they wrote to you as Resurrection was actually Reincarnation/Rebirth /Reborn/Born Again. To resurrect means to bring back to life thru birth. Do you think many will start jumping out of their graves? Lol. All these things in your bible are codes and many already happening. It's not happening the way you read. It's all coded

The resurrection of life is for all saints who have died and those who are going to die in the days ahead. Daniel 12:2 made it simple. All who have died at the age of light will resurrect/reborn/rebirthed or awake to hear the final message from the messenger of truth (Rev 14:6; 18:1-4). Christ said in Matt 24 that a certain message not the lies taught in your churches will be preached to all as a Witness before the end. This shows that non of you know the truth until that hour. That message is what will save or condemn anyone as he said he that believes shall be saved and those that reject shall be condemned or destroyed.

Those who died in truth shall be reborn and never die again to experience everlasting life.
The children of darkness /evil shall not reincarnate after these seasons. This means they will be forgotten or gone forever or everlasting contempt or death.

The people that shall be left on earth are the children of Light in the eternal kingdom and those who were made on earth. It shall stay so until the whole earth be purified(the Bible says after a thousand years) at which time only the saints shall remain

Nobody is breaking out from their graves or flying to the skies. Everything will happen gradually until the earth is rid of evil doers or sanitized.

obonujoker:
“Two great resurrections await the inhabitants of the earth: one is the first resurrection, the resurrection of life, the resurrection of the just; the other is the second resurrection, the resurrection of damnation, the resurrection of the unjust.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Now what is the resurrection into life?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The resurrection of the unjust or wicked

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Timeline of these resurrections

1. First resurrection occurs before the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ

2. Second resurrection occurs after the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

See what is said of the first resurrection 👇

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So My Question is this, when exactly is the Rapture of the saint supposed to happen?

because Rapture means resurrection of the dead believers and undead believers to meet with Jesus Christ when He comes to take the saint.

Rapure is scam.
There is no such thing in the bible

There is nothing like second resurrection.
The only resurrection is the resurrection of believers in Christ.

When unbelievers of Christ die, there is nothing like resurrection for them.
The bible says whosever do not believe is condemned already.

MaxInDHouse:


Please can you QUOTE the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

Where is the Governing Body found in the Bible? Where is "Jehovah's organization" found in the bible?

You don't even know that JWs believe in rapture? Check the meaning of rapture and see that JWs believe in an instant taken up of the anointed.

Sand2022:

Where is the Governing Body found in the Bible? Where is "Jehovah's organization" found in the bible? You don't even know that JWs believe in rapture? Check the meaning of rapture and see that JWs believe in an instant taken up of the anointed.

Did Jehovah's Witnesses teach anyone outside those adhering to their teachings terms they use in their group?

Governing Body and Jehovah's organization is not taught outside their group so stop making noise on the spiritual language they use among themselves.

MaxInDHouse:


Did Jehovah's Witnesses teach anyone outside those adhering to their teachings terms they use in their group?

Governing Body and Jehovah's organization is not taught outside their group so stop making noise on the spiritual language they use among themselves.

So you can't find Governing Body in Lesson 54 of Enjoy Life Forever book? Lesson 58 did not mention Jehovah's organization? Are you sure you preach at all?

I've advised you to research first before you post, you wont to listen.

Sand2022:

So you can't find Governing Body in Lesson 54 of Enjoy Life Forever book? Lesson 58 did not mention Jehovah's organization? Are you sure you preach at all?
I've advised you to research first before you post, you wont to listen.

Just listen to yourself.

Someone was preached to and after listening he or she decided to start studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses from lesson 1 of their book up to lesson 54 and you're still not convinced that such a person can never ever worship with any other religion wholeheartedly again.
Is this how you think?

Ọmọ before studying any book outside the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses the interested person is already convinced that he has found something of great value.

Note that there is nowhere in the scriptures to back up Jesus' teachings that John the baptist is the promised Elijah so such sacred secrets are revealed only to those who have become SERIOUS STUDENTS not something you throw up and down where your listeners are still not convinced that you have something worthwhile to offer.

So the RAPTURE of a thing supposed to be within those who can fully explain what led to it but as you can see it has no correlation with what is written in the Bible hence what this OP is asking those teaching it.

As for you there's no excuse for you because even though you're a rebellious member of Jehovah's Witnesses you can never ever find a better replacement for God's organization!

MaxInDHouse:


Just listen to yourself.

Someone was preached to and after listening he or she decided to start studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses from lesson 1 of their book up to lesson 54 and you're still not convinced that such a person can never ever worship with any other religion wholeheartedly again.
Is this how you think?

Ọmọ before studying any book outside the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses the interested person is already convinced that he has found something of great value.

Note that there is nowhere in the scriptures to back up Jesus' teachings that John the baptist is the promised Elijah so such sacred secrets are revealed only to those who have become SERIOUS STUDENTS not something you throw up and down where your listeners are still not convinced that you have something worthwhile to offer.

So the RAPTURE of a thing supposed to be within those who can fully explain what led to it but as you can see it has no correlation with what is written in the Bible hence what this OP is asking those teaching it.

As for you there's no excuse for you because even though you're a rebellious member of Jehovah's Witnesses you can never ever find a better replacement for God's organization!

Your post is that such teachings as Gov Body and J. Organization is not taught to persons outside the group. The Enjoy Life book is for those outside the group.

And no one is barred from teaching any student those terms. You keep running front he main issue. The point is, such terms are not found in the scriptures just as Rapture is not found in the scriptures but the meaning of the term is covered by a scripture. jWs do believe in instant taken up of the living anointed. That's my point.

And mind you, I am not searching for replacement for JWs as if I am in a competition with JWs. As far as I am concerned, if you have faith in Jesus ransom sacrifice and love a moral life, I am not against you. I respect you as a Christian. My concern is not the church you join, my concern is you as a person, not church name. This church name has destroyed the body of Christ.

I know for you, I am fit for destruction, that is what church and human religion has done to mankind, but that is not my view of you. If you accept Jesus as your Lord and you live a moral life to the satisfaction of Jesus, my dear, I take you as a Christian. If you will be judged by Jesus based on your bible understanding, which I don't think so, that will be Jesus work to do, not mine.

But as christians, we can have different opinions on doctrinal matters and still live together. See what I do as to say I disagree with this or that, not that I am opposing you or that I am against you and your church. I am not. I say the truth about your church and disagree where I do. That's just being honest. I mean no harm.

Sand2022:


Your post is that such teachings as Gov Body and J. Organization is not taught to persons outside the group. The Enjoy Life book is for those outside the group.

And no one is barred from teaching any student those terms. You keep running front he main issue. The point is, such terms are not found in the scriptures just as Rapture is not found in the scriptures but the meaning of the term is covered by a scripture. jWs do believe in instant taken up of the living anointed. That's my point.

Guy JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES won't mention any of those things before someone who is not ready to study the Bible with us, such a person would have shown keen interest in studying the Bible with us.

For your information that's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine" Matthew 7:6

Anyone talking about Jehovah's Witnesses teachings here wasn't taught randomly rather they were told these things by apostates like you who claims you're Physically In Mentally Out of the same organization you're speaking against yet you can't find a better performing group than this organization!


That's the difference!

Sand2022:

This church name has destroyed the body of Christ.

Go and UNITE them nah!

As for as we are concerned there is just one organization that Jesus is using so if you're not a member of that organization i'm sorry for you!

MaxInDHouse:


Go and UNITE them nah!

As for as we are concerned there is just one organization that Jesus is using so if you're not a member of that organization i'm sorry for you!

My friend, when and where did Jesus say He recognized ONLY one organization?

MaxInDHouse:


Just listen to yourself.

Someone was preached to and after listening he or she decided to start studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses from lesson 1 of their book up to lesson 54 and you're still not convinced that such a person can never ever worship with any other religion wholeheartedly again.
Is this how you think?

Ọmọ before studying any book outside the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses the interested person is already convinced that he has found something of great value.

Note that there is nowhere in the scriptures to back up Jesus' teachings that John the baptist is the promised Elijah so such sacred secrets are revealed only to those who have become SERIOUS STUDENTS not something you throw up and down where your listeners are still not convinced that you have something worthwhile to offer.

So the RAPTURE of a thing supposed to be within those who can fully explain what led to it but as you can see it has no correlation with what is written in the Bible hence what this OP is asking those teaching it.

As for you there's no excuse for you because even though you're a rebellious member of Jehovah's Witnesses you can never ever find a better replacement for God's organization!

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See delusion .
.There are at least two persons on this platform that fellowshipped with Jehovah's Witnesses's that are no longer there. .Last week or so, a PIMO came to debunk to your beliefs.

Check the YouTube, there are myriads of such people.
In my own family (extended, there are two JWs that are now in RCCG.

Be deceiving yourself. You can call them any name, it doesn't change anything.

MightySparrow:
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In my own family (extended, there are two JWs that are now in RCCG.

LIE!

There can never ever be a JW who will become a member of another religion.

Go and check what a JW means on my thread first before saying what you don't understand. A Christian is one who finds Jesus' teaching so appealing and started following Jesus but once he can't see Jesus in the picture again such a person may become confused not knowing the next thing to do but a JW is one who always look onto Jehovah as the true God who is directing His ORGANIZED PEOPLE using each of His prophets to instruct them on what they should do just as Moses was the one Jehovah used to lead His people from Egypt to Canaan Jesus is the prophet He is using to lead imperfect humans to God's Kingdom therefore we must not loose sight of God's ORGANIZED PEOPLE because they are the main reason God always send His prophets to instruct them as an ORGANIZATION.
So if anyone leaves the company of organized worshipers of the true God Jesus will not have anything to do with such a person anymore because such one has chosen LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21:23

MightySparrow:

My friend, when and where did Jesus say He recognized ONLY one organization?

"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be ONE just as we are ONE" John 17:22

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

earnestly endeavoring to maintain the ONENESS of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. ONE body there is, and ONE spirit, just as you were called to the ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism. Ephesians 4:3

So there is just ONE organization recognized by Jehovah and his son Jesus in order for them to think alike in judging matters {1Corinthians 5:12-13} otherwise an unrepentant evildoer will leave one religion and join another simply because they are all claiming they belong to the same leader yet their rules differs.
That's what Jesus meant when he said you people are workers of LAWLESSNESS! Math 7:21-23

MaxInDHouse:


"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be ONE just as we are ONE" John 17:22

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

earnestly endeavoring to maintain the ONENESS of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. ONE body there is, and ONE spirit, just as you were called to the ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism. Ephesians 4:3

So there is just ONE organization recognized by Jehovah and his son Jesus in order for them to think alike in judging matters {1Corinthians 5:12-13} otherwise an unrepentant evildoer will leave one religion and join another simply because they are all claiming they belong to the same leader yet their rules differs.
That's what Jesus meant when he said you people are workers of LAWLESSNESS! Math 7:21-23

As you claimed there is no single verse in the Bible about Trinity, just point out a verse explicitly mentioning Rutherford's Jehovah's Witnesses.

MaxInDHouse:

LIE!

There can never ever be a JW who will become a member of another religion.

Go and check what a JW means on my thread first before saying what you don't understand. A Christian is one who finds Jesus' teaching so appealing and started following Jesus but once he can't see Jesus in the picture again such a person may become confused not knowing the next thing to do but a JW is one who always look onto Jehovah as the true God who is directing His ORGANIZED PEOPLE using each of His prophets to instruct them on what they should do just as Moses was the one Jehovah used to lead His people from Egypt to Canaan Jesus is the prophet He is using to lead imperfect humans to God's Kingdom therefore we must not loose sight of God's ORGANIZED PEOPLE because they are the main reason God always send His prophets to instruct them as an ORGANIZATION.
So if anyone leaves the company of organized worshipers of the true God Jesus will not have anything to do with such a person anymore because such one has chosen LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21:23

Hahahaha. Be deceiving yourself. The PIMO and dis fellowship, and those who left by themselves are where. I told you about my brother who crossed from Anglican to marry a woman born into Jehovah's Witnesses. Her sibling ( raised a JW) is a bona fide member of RCCG today. Another one deserted by her husband both born, raised, and married as JWs. The wife now a member of Winners.
I tell you what I know not what you are guess.
You are having this notion about truth. The truth discovered is more important and impactful than truth imposed.
You discovered a truth other than that of Islam, you are now a witness. Before then, Islam was your undisputed truth. Now you see Islam as falsehood. The same is your ex JWs members in their newfound faith.

Stop living in your fool's paradise.

I laugh in Jehovah's Witnesses's paradise's language.

MightySparrow:

Hahahaha. Be deceiving yourself. The PIMO and dis fellowship, and those who left by themselves are where. I told you about my brother who crossed from Anglican to marry a woman born into Jehovah's Witnesses. Her sibling ( raised a JW) is a bona fide member of RCCG today. Another one deserted by her husband both born, raised, and married as JWs. The wife now a member of Winners.
I tell you what I know not what you are guess.
You are having this notion about truth. The truth discovered is more important and impactful than truth imposed.
You discovered a truth other than that of Islam, you are now a witness. Before then, Islam was your undisputed truth. Now you see Islam as falsehood. The same is your ex JWs members in their newfound faith.
Stop living in your fool's paradise.
I laugh in Jehovah's Witnesses's paradise's language.

You don't understand yet.
It's the name you're so concerned about not the attitude.
For your information there are Jehovah's Witnesses in different religions today but what makes them JWs is just one mindset:

"Only one organization is doing God's will and i am part of that organization"

If you find anyone having such a mindset know today that no matter the religion he or she is practicing presently he doesn't belong there because he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only organization of One God, One faith One baptism.

So don't think because someone is following us today makes such a person one of us.

That's why you will notice that those you're calling Jehovah's Witnesses but have left the organization can't have that same mindset, they have become IDOLATERS people who welcome multiple Gods in the name of DENOMINATIONS!

MaxInDHouse:


You don't understand yet.
It's the name you're so concerned about not the attitude.
For your information there are Jehovah's Witnesses in different religions today but what makes them JWs is just one mindset:

"Only one organization is doing God's will and i am part of that organization"

If you find anyone having such a mindset know today that no matter the religion he or she is practicing presently he doesn't belong there because he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only organization of One God, One faith One baptism.

So don't think because someone is following us today makes such a person one of us.

That's why you will notice that those you're calling Jehovah's Witnesses but have left the organization can't have that same mindset, they have become IDOLATERS people who welcome multiple Gods in the name of DENOMINATIONS!

Well there are more than one organizations doing the will of God, I am part of one of them. God has not told me I am not doing his will. I refuse to put the yoke of Rutherford on my neck. I serve my God outside the confines of Rutherford's.

MightySparrow:

Well there are more than one organizations doing the will of God,

So continue with them!