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Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 12:05am On Aug 25 |
hopefulLandlord: I don't think you understand my points. The arguments are 100% mine. Not copied from anywhere so I fully understand what I'm saying. Your first response was probably copied or you just decided to pretend you're not implying what you really implied. iIf you really understand the points made especially by Dr. Sean Carrol, he's saying in very simple terms that life might still have been sustained even if the values of the constants were varied, and that would rule out the possibility of a hand being responsible for the sustenance of the universe. By implication, he's saying that he can only accept whatever they were arguing about regarding fine-tuning if science could find out that the present values of the constants are the only values that can sustain the universe. This is captured by an excerpt from your post pasted below: "I’d be a lot more accepting of the “fine tuning” argument if modern physics showed that it was impossible for the universe to exist given the values of the fundamental physical constants it has discovered." I am replying you and Carrol that if the values were changed, the universe might still exist. It all depends on the method intended to be used to arrive at the same purpose - sustaining the universe. And that still wouldn't rule out the possibility of a mind being behind the whole scheme. I didn't arrive at this argument on the basis of the values of the constants but rather on the basis of the purpose and purposes which the values of the constants fulfil. Look at it this way. If you have a goal in mind,you could use many methods to fulfil the goal. Many constants and variables might change because of a change in method but the goal would still be achieved regardless of the method you used. There could be many methods available for sustaining the universe. And each methodology is free to use its own sets of values for its constants. I'm talking this way because the emphasis of this argument is on purpose. I'm replying Dr. Carrol that even if it is not impossible for the universe to exist, given the values of the fundamental physical constants, it does not rule out the possibility of a mind being behind the results brought about by the changed values. This is because everything will boil down to methodology. That is, values may be altered and supported with a suitable and different methodology to achieve the same results. The universe might still exist and that does not rule out the possibility of a mind still being behind the sustenance of the universe. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by SIRTee15: 5:06am On Aug 25 |
jaephoenix: Do U believe human has an immaterial essence? |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 6:58am On Aug 25 |
hopefulLandlord: Or, let me answer you from another perspective if my precious response does not really address your concerns. Let me break down your counter-argument as follows: 1. Circular reasoning: if I understand you well, you argue that the fine-tuning argument is circular, as I'm concluding that the universe is fine-tuned because we exist, and we exist because the universe is fine-tuned. However, this criticism misunderstands the argument. The fine-tuning argument is based on the observation that the fundamental physical constants have precise values, allowing for life's existence. This observation is independent of our existence. 2. Dwarves analogy: The analogy is creative but flawed. The size of the dwarves' houses is not a fundamental property of the universe, unlike the physical constants. The fine-tuning argument focuses on the precise calibration of these constants, and the consequences of their values. 3. Dr. Sean Carroll's argument: Dr. Carroll suggests that God could create life regardless of the constants' values, making fine-tuning unnecessary. However, this argument assumes a magical or supernatural God, which isn't the focus of the fine-tuning argument. The argument is about the evidence for a Creator based on the universe's design, not God's hypothetical abilities. 4. Impossibility of the universe's existence: You have demanded that modern physics show it's impossible for the universe to exist with different constant values. However, this is a misunderstanding of the fine-tuning argument. The argument is about the improbability or unlikeliness of the universe's existence with life-supporting constants, not impossibility. Hence, as long as there are values, the argument for a Creator remains even if the values change. A suitable method can be adopted to make new values workable. New values don't eliminate the proof of a Creator. 5. God's role in fine-tuning: You have argued that if God exists, He could create life regardless of the constants. This misses the point. The fine-tuning argument suggests that the universe's design, as evidenced by the precise constants, points to a Creator. It's not about God's ability to create life in any circumstances. In summary, while your counter-argument misunderstands the fine-tuning argument's focus on the universe's design and the evidence for a Creator. The argument is not circular, and the your demands for impossibility or God's hypothetical abilities miss the point of the fine-tuning argument. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 8:18am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz:FxMasturbator the lying cunt who has developed an unholy romance with AI is back again . You remind me of unadulterated lunacy. Everything about you is anticlockwise. And the fact that you have to rely on AI to even be functional human in society is the very definition of tragic . You are organically retardéd . The next time you want to copy answers from ChatGPT, try formatting your posts in a way that will seem more natural. You're not fooling anybody here, you bedazzled dweeb ! cc: hopefulLandlord 2 Likes
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Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 8:28am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: I didn't know that your foolishness is on a very high level. Even if it's AI, counter it. An argument is an argument and a counter is a counter. Counter it my friend if you can and don't run away using AI as an excuse. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 8:44am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Please! Don't give me that "an argument is an argument" crap . If I wanted to argue with AI, I'd go argue with AI, not a low rent apologist poser pretending to have a clue about what he's talking about . You're what I term a text-book student . People who are confined to the basic rendition of rules. People who can't explore and go an extra mile to be creative because their brains are wired to follow and never to lead. People who are confined to the basics. This is the fundamental reason why you cling to AI for arguments like a prostitute gripping the balls of her client tenaciously. I'd even have more respect for you if you had the candour to reference the AI in that particular post, but no, you personalized it like it all came from your head . You're just a copy and paste human photocopy machine without a sense of originality. Bwahahahahaaa . 1 Like |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by hopefulLandlord: 8:51am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Holy shit! I already had the inkling that he copied his argument somewhere and doesn't know exactly how to buttress it. This I alluded to in my last reply to him. So he then went to a robot to get even more replies. Thanks for the exposure. I was already typing a long reply to his last post but saw yours before I could finish. Imagine debating someone who is using a robot to reply 4 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 8:56am On Aug 25 |
hopefulLandlord: Lol! They're all frauds in this religion section. For all their blabber about morality and integrity, they don't have a single bone of honesty in them . FxMasturbator is just another student in this clown school of degenerates and reprobates that continuously suffer the religion section with terrible rhetorics and arguments! Have you met StillDTruth, or as I prefer to call him: StillDFool ? 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 8:57am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Go and sit down if you don't have anything to say to boy counter. The thoughts are my origin thoughts. The arguments are my original arguments. The counter arguments are mine. We live in a modern world where things are no longer done mechanically. I can use anything to fine-tune my argument and make it more presentable. The thoughts are still mine motherless. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by hopefulLandlord: 9:12am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: I actually find copying main arguments from other sources not to be a bad idea. What I find puzzling however is looking for what to copy to counter replies to your argument. That borders on abject level of intelligence. I mean I could copy and argument somewhere because it's something I agree with but you can be sure that if you counter my argument I'd create a counter to your counter on my own 3 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:17am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Bitch be quiet! Your schlong is so far deep inside ChatGPT's ass, you can't even see straight. You keep proving my point that you lack originality. Look at hopefulLandlord, Jaephoenix, kingxsamz et al. They've been debating you on this thread using their very own words and logic. How come you're the only one relying on AI here? You're pathologically dishonest and a piece of shit to boot. Pull out of ChatGPT's ass and let it breath for fúck sake . We live in a modern world where things are no longer done mechanically. I can use anything to fine-tune my argument and make it more presentable. The thoughts are still mine motherless. Again, the reason you rely on these mechanical means you allude to is because you lack originality and coherence. You haven't disputed anything I said. You keep making my argument for me . You were born with a brain like everyone else. But yours is only meant to copy and paste what others have created . You were never destined to compete with your peers at optimal level. And you have the nerve to talk about mothers when your mother was the OG Jayjay Okocha with the way she dribbled your father with other men. Are you sure you know your real dad ? 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 9:20am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: And I've been debating them using my very own words too. It's time to stop responding to you. Since you don't even have enough sense to debate anything on this thread. You're only here to throw tantrums. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:21am On Aug 25 |
hopefulLandlord: I get what you're saying. That's why I'm shellacking him so hard. And to make matters worse, he doesn't even format his posts well making it obvious to people who use AI routinely to easily notice it's use in his some posts. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:23am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: I'll never debate with an intellectually impoverished subhuman who is clearly beneath me. Deal with your maladies yourself . |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by hopefulLandlord: 9:30am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: His OP is also same
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Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by hopefulLandlord: 9:32am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X:His second post is too
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Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 9:34am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Is that your alibi? The truth is that you do not have the mental capacity to enter the debate. Bye! |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:37am On Aug 25 |
hopefulLandlord: Nawa oo . Jokes aside though, I wouldn't mind if he used AI to generate his comments, as long as he owned up to the fact from the start and was being honest. But he fronts as if he owns these arguments and then tries to debate atheists knowing that he has a trump card. He even mocked someone in his OP and claimed he made him run away from a debate. He knows exactly what he's doing, that little piece of shit . 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:40am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Coming from an established invalid and plagiarist who has become alien to all manifestations of shame . Lol oga just hide your face and fúck off already. You're so pathetic, I'm even starting to pity you. 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 9:51am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Shame on you. Can you prove I plagiarized? Even if I plagiarized, this is a debate and not a thesis. Debate it if you can. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 9:57am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Come, is your eye paining you that you can't see the screenshots that I and hopefulLandlord uploaded? When will you stop being a deceitful twát? A good number of your posts here were AI generated! No, please... explain yourself! Define plagiarism for me. Olodo . 1 Like |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 10:11am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Olodo. That's not plagiarism. We're not writing these. That I asked AI to make my submission presentable does not mean anything. The thoughts are still mine nonetheless! You can't find my argument anywhere online. Prove me wrong. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 10:33am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Oga, you don't have the cognitive competence to construct a coherent argument yourself, that's why you need an AI to "make your submissions presentable". The thoughts may be yours, but the words aren't. It's really that simple . This is the first time I've seen someone outrightly defending his intellectual poverty. Your facade is poorly costumed, it can't stand the rays of truth - that your brain is subpar in every ramifications . 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 10:54am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: You can go through all my arguments, woman. I'm not your mate when it comes to cognitive competence. It was my competence that gave me the argument points in the first place. I asked AI to fine-tune my texts, proofread, make edits and crosscheck me for any fallacy, what is wrong with that? The cognition is mine while the fine-tuning is AI. Have you found any similar argument online? Wait till I hit YouTube with this argument. You're just ranting any childish thing your head tells you. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Everyday247: 11:02am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz:Abeg boss, no go YouTube with this. YouTube is more brutal than Nairaland. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 11:11am On Aug 25 |
Everyday247: No wahala. The truth must still go out. The lies atheist tell must be debunked. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 11:11am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: See excuses . You go really explain tire . Copy and paste warrior who can't even write his own words without AI looking over his shoulder . |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 11:13am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Except you can produce the thoughts as that of another man, please keep shut. I didn't steal anyone's debate or words! |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Judas1X: 11:23am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Of course, you didn't steal the words of a human, but you stole the words of a robot. AI has never been so raped repeatedly by a brain-dead gnat such as yourself . 2 Likes |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by FxMasterz: 11:26am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: You mean I stole the words I fed into a robot? Dey play. |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Lucifyre: 11:26am On Aug 25 |
FxMasterz: Dude just bow out silently. U've been utterly embarrassed from the very beginning of this thread to the last, which is ironic seeing the topic and original intent of the thread. Digging ur heels further can only be explained by ego and its turning into second hand embarrassment with all the shameless deflection and lying as well. Not surprised though afterall this is someone who claimed science proposed the earth was flat and religion claimed it was spherical, an outright lie. So just go, it's best for you honestly. 1 Like |
Re: This Completely Destroys Atheism and Renders Atheists Speechless by Lucifyre: 11:32am On Aug 25 |
Judas1X: Imagine stealing the words and thought process of someone you "defeated" & then bragged about their defeat. Like how low can you go. So 3 Likes |
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