BlueRayDick:


U are a typical old school naija parent that will force their child to study STEM related course instead of following their passion. 😂

BlueRayDick:


U are a typical old school naija parent that will force their child to study STEM related course instead of following their passion. 😂

raumdeuter:


I am with ibime fully, No be my money you go use follow passion. First study STEM courses wey go position you well for life, after food is on your table then start following passion

Ibime is right, Most people avoid Sciences because they dont like Maths. In the real world, you cant avoid Maths for top jobs. When STEM guys wey no make the cut enter Law and begin use Math knowledge to do Law for you

Its like we old head IT guys wey no wan run from coding, Until you realize that nowadays everything na code. STEM guys and coders don dey even enter Medicine, Law, after them don scatter Banking and Accounting field and snatch it from Accountants finish

raumdeuter:


Its true. In most fields, someone with a science background can crossover and excel. I know guys who were science students and now lawyers

Can an Art student or social science student decide to study Engineering or Pharmacy?

I once worked in a Bank and of the 50 people hired like 40 were STEM people. Cos for aptitude test STEM guys with Maths knowledge go don body all the Social Science and Art students

In my set in OAU, One of the big 4 came to conduct tests for final year students, The top 10 were 8 in Engineering. I think one was in Sciences Physics or Chemistry The Engineering boys wey no send these companies. That test day all the Engineering guys enter test venue with Palm sandal and Jeans, The Accounting boys and Social Science boys wear suit and most of them no still pass am. These companies are the pinnacle of their careers where they dream of the way Engineering boys dey dream of Oil companies

Na for the interview venue most of the Engineering boys dey borrow suit and tie

raumdeuter:


When people say passion, Or I enjoy my job. My question is can you do it even if you dont get paid?

An example of passion is watching football or supporting Bayern.

Your job that pays you is probably something that is boring, you probably hate and wont touch it if not for money

When you make that money then go do passion

BlueRayDick:
Things have changed with tech now.
People study philosophy , English language , political science , etc ; they take one or two tech courses and they are doing well for themselves .
The era of measuring intelligence based on studying STEM courses has passed.

raumdeuter:


I am with ibime fully, No be my money you go use follow passion. First study STEM courses wey go position you well for life, after food is on your table then start following passion

Ibime is right, Most people avoid Sciences because they dont like Maths. In the real world, you cant avoid Maths for top jobs. When STEM guys wey no make the cut enter Law and begin use Math knowledge to do Law for you

Its like we old head IT guys wey no wan run from coding, Until you realize that nowadays everything na code. STEM guys and coders don dey even enter Medicine, Law, after them don scatter Banking and Accounting field and snatch it from Accountants finish

raumdeuter:


By the time you check the average Tech bros, You will realize almost 70% of them have STEM background and to really excel in it beyond the surface level you need some level of conceptualization that is usually sharpened by STEM courses

In STEM you fit spend an entire lifetime studying things that are not relatable to normal human. By SS3, I can take govt exams without ever attending classes. Sometimes it just seem like current affairs to me and by reading enjoyable things like History, Newspaper and Novels you can scale History, Govt and Literature

Normal Maths when you get to Square root of -1 you say impossible even most basic calculators will say Error. That square root of -1 Na 1 full semester course when you start studying complex numbers.

Its that type of abstract reasoning of things you probably wont encounter in day to day that makes your brain sharp and see regular maths as moi-moi

raumdeuter:

, I can take govt exams without ever attending classes. Sometimes it just seem like current affairs to me and by reading enjoyable things like History, Newspaper and Novels you can scale History, Govt and Literature WAEC exams

BlueRayDick:
The thing is ; if u are smart then u are smart.
If u are smart , u can understand concepts , u can do self study and learn about almost everything u want to learn about.
Studying STEM is not the only guarantee that u will make it in life . Study what u are comfortable with and make sure u really know ur stuff.

BlueRayDick:


Passion actually means what u are comfortable doing.

For example I had the best result in the JSCE exams during my JSS3 and I was placed in Science class automatically . I met with the VP academics and it took me a great deal of time to convince her I prefer commercial/social sciences .


Eventually nobody in my set had a better result than I did in SSCE . I had passed GCE in SS2 and I slammed WAEC in SS3. None of the science students who were supposed to be more brilliant had anything close to my result .

Today I work in an organization some STEM graduates wish they can actually work . Nothing spoil .

I’m sure if u were my parent u would’ve insisted I stayed in the sciences even when I wasn’t really passionate about STEM.

There are lot of students struggling with sciences simply because they were compelled to study STEM related courses. Almost every year u see hear 1 medical students fail to proceed to medical school simply cos they are just not good enough for the medicine they opted for

Ibime:


I always laugh when social science talk about passion. STEM guys who just read newspapers, encyclopaedias and listen to radio for fun will pass all those social science courses with their eyes shut

I have a A in Geography GCSE today without once ever reading for exam, not for one second. My Bs in English, English Literature and French exactly the same. STEM guys will eat all those course for breakfast with just 10% effort the arts guys will be putting in.

Theflint1:
I think the idea is, if you're smart or think you're smart enough to do STEM, do STEM. If you'd done some STEM course and excelled, you'd most likely still have been able to get the job and in a year or two of personal studies fix background issues.

There's also an upside to doing social sciences and some management courses even though you have the brains for STEM...it's like a cheat sef, easy 1st or solid 2.1, which is good for job applications...though I struggle to see how it isn't you shortchanging yourself in the long run sha.

raumdeuter:


Some things challenge your brains more than others. And if you find your comfort zone you will just coast until you meet bigger obstacle
Life is hard and getting harder, the more harder stuffs you are exposed to early in life the more your brain develops and can conceptualize it
No one has any guarantees but some things just position you better, even going to school is no guarantee

raumdeuter:

Na Geography we dey use relax, or to follow babe go attend Govt or Commerce class

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


The suspect don turn to GYB.. the invisible
We're yet to see the strongest response

DeadPresidents:
I’d say if you can do a STEM course, you should probably do it. There are intangibles you pick up that are useful in any situation. Intangibles such as reasoning from first principles, optimisation etc

Also, fundamentally the world is a competitive marketplace. If you’re sure you have enough literature talent to become the next R.L Stine or Steven King, then stay in your social sciences field but if not, just remember the competition is brutal.

An example, I have a friend from my Uni days who just completed his Bachelors in Medicine and Surgery. This niqqa is also really versed in Android/Web/Machine Learning and has years of experience there. He asked me to go through his CV and I was like, "only problem i see in your CV is that you’ve got too much credentials"

Imagine you carry your History and Religious studies degree follow this kain person find work

BlueRayDick:


The crux of the matter is ; in Nigeria if u study STEM related courses , ur chances of landing a STEM related is not high because there are few STEM related jobs out there.

Eventually u will have to drag jobs with non-STEM graduates . Trust me, if u meet people who studied non-STEM related courses to drag job, ur chances of getting the job is same as theirs . I mean the smart ones. It’s not like ur STEM degree suddenly makes u better than them in any way.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is just massaging his STEM ego. A student who graduates with 5.0 CGPA in history & international relations and another who graduates with 5.0 in Mathematics have equal chances of landing a graduate trainee role simply because they are both smart.

BlueRayDick:


The crux of the matter is ; in Nigeria if u study STEM related courses , ur chances of landing a STEM related is not high because there are few STEM related jobs out there.

Eventually u will have to drag jobs with non-STEM graduates . Trust me, if u meet people who studied non-STEM related courses to drag job, ur chances of getting the job is same as theirs . I mean the smart ones. It’s not like ur STEM degree suddenly makes u better than them in any way.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is just massaging his STEM ego. A student who graduates with 5.0 CGPA in history & international relations and another who graduates with 5.0 in Mathematics have equal chances of landing a graduate trainee role simply because they are both smart.

izzou:


Graduate trainee role in Access bank, or Schlumberger?

Theflint1:
The point is, your average Math grad is smarter than your average history and international relations grad (keyword being average)...when the bar isn't graduate trainee post, you'd see the difference between that your 5.0 Math grad and the History and International Relations 5.0 grad.

Courses differ in difficulty levels, consequently graduates from the more difficult courses are on the average smarter than graduates from less difficult courses.

BlueRayDick:


If the graduate trainee role in Schlumerger is to fill the a non-engineering role , then the History graduate has the same chance as any other person.

BlueRayDick:


The crux of the matter is ; in Nigeria if u study STEM related courses , ur chances of landing a STEM related is not high because there are few STEM related jobs out there.

Eventually u will have to drag jobs with non-STEM graduates . Trust me, if u meet people who studied non-STEM related courses to drag job, ur chances of getting the job is same as theirs . I mean the smart ones. It’s not like ur STEM degree suddenly makes u better than them in any way.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is just massaging his STEM ego. A student who graduates with 5.0 CGPA in history & international relations and another who graduates with 5.0 in Mathematics have equal chances of landing a graduate trainee role simply because they are both smart.

BlueRayDick:


If the graduate trainee role in Schlumerger is to fill the a non-engineering role , then the History graduate has the same chance as any other person.

DeadPresidents:


Depends on the company calibre.

You’re not getting a graduate trainee role at Goldman Sachs with a 5.0 in History and International relations.

Ultimately both graduates will have to ace interviews but preselection means the Historian will be left in the past whilst the mathematician plots a trajectory to the offer letter

izzou:


If it is to fill an engineering role nko?

I guess that's the part you are not paying attention to.

Anybody who excels in any field is bright, but also, there's some advantage that STEM bound students have because of the subjects they have taken

A STEM student can slot in to a non-engineering field, but it is difficult for the NON STEM student.

They both have an equal chance for a non engineering role. Switch the role, and the history student automatically is out.

DeadPresidents:


Depends on the company calibre.

You’re not getting a graduate trainee role at Goldman Sachs with a 5.0 in History and International relations.

Ultimately both graduates will have to ace interviews but preselection means the Historian will be left in the past whilst the mathematician plots a trajectory to the offer letter

raumdeuter:


The STEM graduate will fight for Schlumberger Process Engineer, Schlum Admin staff role role and still fight for your EY, Access Bank entry level role
While the History grad cannot compete for the Schlumberger Process Engineer role

Basically The STEM grad can compete for all 4 positions while the History guy can compete for only 3. Those sef, their aptitude tests once it goes towards Maths favor the STEM guy. Unless if the aptitude test s about History

BlueRayDick:


This discussion is centered around the situation in the Nigerian labour market, not what obtains in the west na . Read the conversation from the beginning .