StillDtruth:

See it. Google already shows that it also means
Spiritually it is known as the abode of the damned in the afterlife in Jewish and Christian beliefs.

God's servants (Prophets) never taught the consciousness after death it was gotten from Babylonian and Greek mythology that is why you can't find any fitting scriptures to back it in the Old Testament.
All quotations to support torment after death is taken from the New Testament where Jesus used illustrations in his teachings!

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Michael547:

Where does the Bible teach that the devil and his angels are not affected by hell fire?
Where does the Bible teach that the devil is responsible for torturing people in hell?

How did you come to the conclusion that hell is 'likely' to be under the earth?


Are you saying that when a person dies, the soul keeps on living and does not die? If yes, how do you explain Ezekiel 18:4 in the screenshot below?

1. If you believe the devil and angels are in hell, what will they be doing there?


2. Take time to look at the scripture for the location of hell

Matthew 12:40, Jesus was at the centre of the earth which is hell
Ephesians 4:9 Jesus descended into the lower part of the earth.
Amos 9:2
Isaiah 14:9; 14:15
Proverbs 15:24
Ezekiel 31:16-17; 32:27
Revelation 5:3
Numbers 16:30-33
Psalm 55:15

3. Sin generally brings death.
Adam and Eve died after eating the forbidden fruit, yet their souls were still living.
Romans 6:23a For the wages of sin is death.
From the story of the rich man and Lazarus, we could still see the rich man communicating and feeling pains.

StillDtruth:


Sorry, you still have that jw sickness of perverting the bible for do you say that the Amelekites and co are his children since He punished them?

Secondly, God has expressed His thoughts and His ways one of which is to reward people according to their deeds.

And thirdly, in that passage to Moses, did God answer Moses's prayer for mercy for those evil people? No! He did not.

It is JW sickness of perverting the Bible peddling of your brains that wrote Hebrews and the other accounts referenced.

Sorry, you still have that jw sickness of perverting the bible for do you say that the Amelekites and co are his children since He punished them?

The Hebrew account I quoted was talking about Amalekites right? What is the basis of God's punishment in the Hebrew I cited? I want to see the perversion here first. Since the question is about a loving God and punishment.

Secondly, God has expressed His thoughts and His ways one of which is to reward people according to their deeds.

I thought your thought is higher than that of God's thought that you have all his ways to reward people according to their deeds.

And thirdly, in that passage to Moses, did God answer Moses's prayer for mercy for those evil people? No! He did not

For God said to Moses, “I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.” So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.

You can choose and work it out how God show mercy to whomever he wants since your thoughts are higher than God's thought.

Open your eyes to see the below again.....

You can ruminate on those scripture as it concerns love and punishment regarding those God loves.

CoolJason:


...But merciful too, don't you think so?

...being Merciful is still an act of being Just

MaxInDHouse:

God's servants (Prophets) never taught the consciousness after death it was gotten from Babylonian and Greek mythology that is why you can't find any fitting scriptures to back it in the Old Testament.
All quotations to support torment after death is taken from the New Testament where Jesus used illustrations in his teachings!

we have necromancer in the Old Testament Sir

StillDtruth:


Yeah!

Just is to those they destroyed, wounded or wounded and destdoyed.

In ALL

Michael547:

An act of love to those in hell fire or to who?

Both

MaxInDHouse:

God's servants (Prophets) never taught the consciousness after death it was gotten from Babylonian and Greek mythology that is why you can't find any fitting scriptures to back it in the Old Testament.
All quotations to support torment after death is taken from the New Testament where Jesus used illustrations in his teachings!

God's prophets all warned of God's great Wrath and vengeance which since exodus we were fore warned is to come.

solacong:

we have necromancer in the Old Testament Sir

Did God approve it?

StillDtruth:

God's prophets all warned of God's great Wrath and vengeance which since exodus we were fore warned is to come.

YES they warned of DESTRUCTION or EXTERMINATION not a place of torment of the dead!

MaxInDHouse:

YES they warned of DESTRUCTION or EXTERMINATION not a place of torment of the dead!

And great Wrath and vengeance and recompense.

And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

StillDtruth:

And great Wrath and vengeance and recompense. And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

That phrase "torment of the dead" can't be found anywhere in the Old Testament what God said regarding unbelievers is death!

Ezekiel 18:4; 31

MaxInDHouse:


That phrase "torment of the dead" can't be found anywhere in the Old Testament what God said regarding unbelievers is death!

Ezekiel 18:4; 31

But the old testament also said "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

StillDtruth:

But the old testament also said "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

It's humans that came up with the idea because they don't see justice in death as due punishment for rebellion but from God's point of view death sends the rebellious being to a place {Genesis 2:17} where he or she can't feel or do anything {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so at death the sinner has paid fully for his or her wrongdoing! Romans 6:7

solacong:


Both

So what part of a person burns in hell fire?

terrezo2002:

1. If you believe the devil and angels are in hell, what will they be doing there??

I don't know what they would be doing there. You have to prove with scriptures that the devil and his angels are not affected by the fire and that they are responsible for torturing people there.

Matthew 12:40, Jesus was at the centre of the earth which is hell
Ephesians 4:9 Jesus descended into the lower part of the earth.
Amos 9:2
Isaiah 14:9; 14:15
Proverbs 15:24
Ezekiel 31:16-17; 32:27
Revelation 5:3
Numbers 16:30-33
Psalm 55:15

Are these verses referring to 'hell' as the grave where good and bad people are being buried and not to hell fire? If no, why did good people and King David go to hell as recorded in Psalms 16:10, Psalms 116:3, Jonah 2:2, Psalms 86:13?

3. Sin generally brings death.
Adam and Eve died after eating the forbidden fruit, yet their souls were still living.

Can you kindly point out a verse that says that Adam and eve's soul kept on living after they died and turned back to dust?
Are you saying that Ezekiel 18:4 lied when it says that the soul dies?

From the story of the rich man and Lazarus, we could still see the rich man communicating and feeling pains.

Is the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus a true life story? If yes, where did the soul of Lazarus the brother to Mary and Martha go when he died?

Kindly point out in that parable where Jesus indicated that the souls of Lazarus and the rich man was separated from their body when they died.

StillDtruth:


Already answered that it is love and just is to the many many people they destroyed, wounded or wounded and destdoyed.

Where is the location of hell fire and what exactly burns there?

Iamanoited:
God is Technology. Evil and Good go hand in hand. God is Life and Death. You can only choose one. God is Love and Hate. You choose Hate, you die and go to Hell. God is AI THE BEGINNING AND SI THE END. THAT'S TECHNOLOGY, ULTIMATELY FINDING GOD'SPERE.

Where is hell located, and what part of a human burns in hell?

Michael547:

I don't know what they would be doing there. You have to prove with scriptures that the devil and his angels are not affected by the fire and that they are responsible for torturing people there.



Are these verses referring to 'hell' as the grave where good and bad people are being buried and not to hell fire? If no, why did good people and King David go to hell as recorded in Psalms 16:10, Psalms 116:3, Jonah 2:2, Psalms 86:13?



Can you kindly point out a verse that says that Adam and eve's soul kept on living after they died and turned back to dust?
Are you saying that Ezekiel 18:4 lied when it says that the soul dies?



Is the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus a true life story? If yes, where did the soul of Lazarus the brother to Mary and Martha go when he died?

Kindly point out in that parable where Jesus indicated that the souls of Lazarus and the rich man was separated from their body when they died.

I can see you want to go in the direction of arguements and I don't have that time.
If you like believe there is hell or not, it doesn't change the truth. When a person has come to the knowledge of truth, he doesn't argue with people again. He just laughs at the ignorance of people.

Don't be distracted by people trying to explain the scripture they don't understand. In other words, don't follow organisation, follow Jesus Christ and you shall know the truth. JW is an organisation that has come to bring confusion in the body of Christ. No wonder there is no evidence of the power of Christ in them. Just philosophies and theories.

Cheers man. I salute you with the love of Christ

Without Holiness,no eye will see the Lord.

May God guide us

terrezo2002:

I can see you want to go in the direction of arguements and I don't have that time.
If you like believe there is hell or not, it doesn't change the truth. When a person has come to the knowledge of truth, he doesn't argue with people again. He just laughs at the ignorance of people.

Don't be distracted by people trying to explain the scripture they don't understand. In other words, don't follow organisation, follow Jesus Christ and you shall know the truth. JW is an organisation that has come to bring confusion in the body of Christ. No wonder there is no evidence of the power of Christ in them. Just philosophies and theories.

Cheers man. I salute you with the love of Christ

Lol....you are very funny.....who brought up organization matter here....do you expect me to just swallow anything you tell me without asking questions? If you can't answer the questions to the verses I have put up there, does that not show that you are also teaching human philosophies and theories that is not based on the bible?

Michael547:

Lol....you are very funny.....who brought up organization matter here....do you expect me to just swallow anything you tell me without asking questions? If you can't answer the questions to the verses I have put up there, does that not show that you are also teaching human philosophies and theories that is not based on the bible?

Since different religions numbering in thousands agree with his HELLFIRE idea yours is human philosophy.
Sometimes i just laugh at them because they don't know and don't want to know.

Michael547:

Lol....you are very funny.....who brought up organization matter here....do you expect me to just swallow anything you tell me without asking questions? If you can't answer the questions to the verses I have put up there, does that not show that you are also teaching human philosophies and theories that is not based on the bible?

I showed you scripture and you are showing me counter scripture. The scripture is not confused. That's why I said you are going in the direction of arguments.
The gospel is simple to understand. People in their desire to proof their errors look for scriptures to back it up. That was why I brought the JW organisation.. That's what they do and you sound like them

terrezo2002:

I showed you scripture and you are showing me counter scripture. The scripture is not confused. That's why I said you are going in the direction of arguments.
The gospel is simple to understand. People in their desire to proof their errors look for scriptures to back it up. That was why I brought the JW organisation.. That's what they do and you sound like them

Oga if your interpretations of those scriptures that you are showing me is correct, all the scriptures that I am showing you would not counter it. If you feel the scriptures that I am showing you counters your own scriptures, it means your interpretations are false.

Michael547:

Oga if your interpretations of those scriptures that you are showing me is correct, all the scriptures that I am showing you would not counter it. If you feel the scriptures that I am showing you counters your own scriptures, it means your interpretations are false.

Did you read the scriptures I posted? Now compare with yours and tell me the difference. If not, then as I have said before, I don't have the time to argue

terrezo2002:

Did you read the scriptures I posted? Now compare with yours and tell me the difference. If not, then as I have said before, I don't have the time to argue

Oga I have read all your scriptures. That is why I gave you scriptures that showed that good people go to hell? So is the hell in those verses referring to the grave where good and bad people are buried or to a place of torment called Hell Fire?

Michael547:

Oga I have read all your scriptures. That is why I gave you scriptures that showed that good people go to hell? So is the hell in those verses referring to the grave where good and bad people are buried or to a place of torment called Hell Fire?

This will take us to scripture upon scripture. Like I said, you are only interested in argument. The back and forth will take this thread to many pages. That's not my assignment in this life.
Continue to believe what you believe while I believe what I believe. Let the OP decide which to follow. The Holy Spirit who is our teacher will teach him.

terrezo2002:

This will take us to scripture upon scripture. Like I said, you are only interested in argument. The back and forth will take this thread to many pages. That's not my assignment in this life.
Continue to believe what you believe while I believe what I believe. Let the OP decide which to follow. The Holy Spirit who out teacher will teach him.

Lol....so you are saying that even after considering your scriptures and my scriptures together, you cannot even come to a conclusion? Does that not show that you've made up your mind on what to believe even in the Face of contrary evidence?

Michael547:

Lol....so you are saying that even after considering your scriptures and my scriptures together, you cannot even come to a conclusion? Does that not show that you've made up your mind on what to believe even in the Face of contrary evidence?

Believe whatever you have chosen to believe.

terrezo2002:

Believe whatever you have chosen to believe.

It therefore means that your beliefs are not based on the bible....you are just sticking to what you've been taught.

solacong:
sending people to hellfire is also an act of Love

Lol