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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 3:58pm On Aug 30
megawealth01:
Aradel To Acquire NNPC, Totalenergies Oil Fields

https://punchng.com/aradel-to-acquire-nnpc-totalenergies-oil-fields/

Bulaba should have given Oando this too

Marginal fields are for small players. Kpatapkata, 10-20yrs life span.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Willie2015: 3:58pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


$19b is minor. shocked shocked shocked

Dat $19b...
Na chop money and arrangement for big boyz...
Things can always be arranged...
This is Naija...
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:01pm On Aug 30
KarlTom:
I dropped the ENI FY20323 report here some days ago (I will search for it again).
I asked myself the bolded and took time to search for answers... wink

NB: Mobil, Shell and co are also selling some of their assets.
I will bring this up again AFTER the deals are completed... wink

I am in the industry...

There are various factors that big multinationals consider, including the return on investment, the long term prospects, environmental issues, corruption, and prospects in other countries or regions.
The $783m that ENI collected from Oando may be used to develop a fresh or bigger investment in other countries that would yield bigger returns to ENI in a more peaceful and politically stable environment.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:01pm On Aug 30
KarlTom:
I dropped the ENI FY20323 report here some days ago (I will search for it again).
I asked myself the bolded and took time to search for answers... wink

NB: Mobil, Shell and co are also selling some of their assets.
I will bring this up again AFTER the deals are completed... wink

I am in the industry...
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:02pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


Why did Agip agree to sell for just $783 million, not even reaching a billion, if the asset promises substantial returns? Were they under some juju when they signed it away to Oando? Also, it's more cheaper to build a new refinery rather than purchasing those existing ones, same with that Ajaokuta steel. You'll end up sinking a significant amount of money just to bring them up to functionality and modern standards. Take your time and conduct thorough research.

There are various factors that big multinationals do consider, including the return on investment, the long term prospects, environmental issues, corruption, and prospects in other countries or regions.
The $783m that ENI collected from Oando may be used to develop a fresh or bigger investment in other countries that would yield bigger returns to ENI in a more peaceful and politically stable environment.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Pesuzok(m): 4:04pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


Why did Agip agree to sell for just $783 million, not even reaching a billion, if the asset promises substantial returns? Were they under some juju when they signed it away to Oando? Also, it's more cheaper to build a new refinery rather than purchasing those existing ones, same with that Ajaokuta steel. You'll end up sinking a significant amount of money just to bring them up to functionality and modern standards. Take your time and conduct thorough research.

There are somethings we won't know why they sold for that price. They are divesting, it's difficult operating onshore, then I suspect opl 245, check the latest news on that.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:04pm On Aug 30
megawealth01:


He is insulting our Oando. OANDO is bigger than SEPLAT.

Who is SEPLAT to compare with a whole bulaba Oando? grin

You are in a jolly good mood, pulling the legs of the Oando gang! Be careful!
Remember, the APC crowd are waiting at the door for all the antagonists of Oando on this forum! grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Raider76: 4:05pm On Aug 30
Oando traded 93.8m shares worth N6.8b. Clearly institutional buyers at play. Probably Wale himself was buying.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by robobo: 4:08pm On Aug 30
KarlTom:
I dropped the ENI FY20323 report here some days ago (I will search for it again).
I asked myself the bolded and took time to search for answers... wink

NB: Mobil, Shell and co are also selling some of their assets.
I will bring this up again AFTER the deals are completed... wink

I am in the industry...

You dont need to go too far. check the notes to the last FY report published by oando and you would see that oando and naoc were already in arbitration for a judgement debt of over >$200m which is heavily tilted in favour of oando (such that naoc had to quickly get an appeal against enforcement) the Oando-Naoc deal is subsequent to that judgement. the deal was to be settled net of the judgement debt (this is also in the notes in the same financial report).

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Pesuzok(m): 4:08pm On Aug 30
godlyguy:


SEPLAT not in the same class with your oando
It seems this oando you missed is really paining you. So much negativity about the stock.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by robobo: 4:17pm On Aug 30
Raider76:
Oando traded 93.8m shares worth N6.8b. Clearly institutional buyers at play. Probably Wale himself was buying.

hmmmmm Jite (Notore) that used to be the 3rd leg of the famous Ocean and Oil three musketeers just collected (within last 2-3 weeks) $150m for sell of 60% stake in Notore with management of Notore also relinquished in that sale.

could he be teaming up back with the remaining two musketeers?

hmmm $150m = N225b
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:22pm On Aug 30
robobo:


You dont need to go too far. check the notes to the last FY report published by oando and you would see that oando and naoc where already in arbitration for a judgement debt of over >$200m which is heavily tilted in favour of oando (such that naoc had to quickly get an appeal against enforcement) the Oando-Naoc deal subsequent to that judgement was to be settled net of the judgement debt (this is also in the notes in the same financial report.

Does that mean that Oando would have paid cash of about $583m for the ENI deal?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 4:28pm On Aug 30
You are up-to-date... grin

Pesuzok:


There are somethings we won't know why they sold for that price. They are divesting, it's difficult operating onshore, then I suspect opl 245, check the latest news on that.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by megawealth01: 4:29pm On Aug 30
Zagee:


Marginal fields are for small players. Kpatapkata, 10-20yrs life span.

That rumors and that news alone moved Aradel from $4+ to it's current price of $7k+ so it's not small

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 4:29pm On Aug 30
You are right.
It was stated in the ENI FY2023 Report as €914m...

robobo:


You dont need to go too far. check the notes to the last FY report published by oando and you would see that oando and naoc where already in arbitration for a judgement debt of over >$200m which is heavily tilted in favour of oando (such that naoc had to quickly get an appeal against enforcement) the Oando-Naoc deal is subsequent to that judgement. the deal was to be settled net of the judgement debt (this is also in the notes in the same financial report).

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by megawealth01: 4:31pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


Why did Agip agree to sell for just $783 million, not even reaching a billion, if the asset promises substantial returns? Were they under some juju when they signed it away to Oando? Also, it's more cheaper to build a new refinery rather than purchasing those existing ones, same with that Ajaokuta steel. You'll end up sinking a significant amount of money just to bring them up to functionality and modern standards. Take your time and conduct thorough research.

One of our rules in Bulaba firm is we don't do research. We just have the confidence that our uncle will help us move it to $1 soon

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by robobo: 4:32pm On Aug 30
mikeapollo:


Does that mean that Oando would have paid cash of about $583m for the ENI deal?

i mean real price / value could have been $900-$1b and the 783 paid was net of the pending judgement debt of >$200m.

$900-$1b looks more near to real price/ value if you consider what other oil major divestment figures were (including oando/ conoco)
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:34pm On Aug 30
robobo:


i mean real price / value could have been $900-$1b and the 783 paid was net of the pending judgement debt of >$200m.

$900-$1b looks more near to real price/ value if you consider what other oil major divestment figures were (including oando/ conoco)

Okay, thanks
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 4:35pm On Aug 30
The bolded was not explicitly stated but they indicated that NAOC (and a few others) was having an impact on the Group's Financials mainly because their partners AND NNPC were owing / not fulfilling their part of the agreement.
Some other reasons for their exit were also stated (see attached SC)... wink

May I also add that IOCs pay attention to work place ethics and working conditions.
They are compelled to pay premium insurance to get their staff to work in highly volatile areas/countries.

ositadima1:


I downloaded it and reviewed it that day, but I didn’t see where the revenue from Nigerian operations was stated. Ok, aside from that, you might be thinking their focus on green energy explains the sale, but it still doesn’t justify selling so cheaply if it’s worth more.

Hopefully, Oando and Tinubu will manage it better than the Italians, but that remains to be seen.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Willie2015: 4:36pm On Aug 30
megawealth01:


One of our rules in Bulaba firm is we don't do research. We just have the confidence that our uncle will help us move it to $1 soon

U dey make me laugh... cheesy
Na statistics we go chop... grin

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 4:40pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


I downloaded it and reviewed it that day, but I didn’t see where the revenue from Nigerian operations was stated. Ok, aside from that, you might be thinking their focus on green energy explains the sale, but it still doesn’t justify selling so cheaply if it’s worth more.

Hopefully, Oando will manage it better than the Italians, but that remains to be seen.

I guess most of them are selling because of reducing margins and the increasing peculiar challenges of Nigerian onshore operations. Local operators have reduced cost of operations with lower wages and far fewer expatriates. And are devising various means round the operational challenges.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ositadima1(m): 4:44pm On Aug 30
KarlTom:
The bolded was not explicitly stated but they indicated that NAOC (and a few others) was having an impact on the Group's Financials mainly because their partners AND NNPC were owing / not fulfilling their part of the agreement.
Some other reasons for their exit were also stated (see attached SC)... wink

May I also add that IOCs pay attention to work place ethics and working conditions.
They are compelled to pay premium insurance to get their staff to work in highly volatile areas/countries.


When it comes to work ethics and conditions, Agip is the worst of them all. I once worked at the Ebocha Oil Center, one of their storage, preprocessing, and distribution fields, and I know what I witnessed there. Oando has been collaborating with Agip for quite some time—I remember seeing them during my time there. Most of the operations were already being run by Nigerians. I believe they had a few Italians at their gas plant in Omoku.

But do you really think the issues of insecurity, volatility, and asset theft will disappear once Oando fully takes charge?

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Sunrisepebble: 4:47pm On Aug 30
What is small for IOC, is not small for indigenous companies. IOC's that are producing millions of barrels per day will not care about a marginal field, but local companies producing in the thousands will jump at it
megawealth01:


That rumors and that news alone moved Aradel from $4+ to it's current price of $7k+ so it's not small
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 4:47pm On Aug 30
mikeapollo:


The issues that pulled back Oando were the various boardroom squabbles, shareholders and SEC issues.
Right now, in terms of the industry, oil reserves and productive assets, Seplat and Oando are virtually contemporaries .
Don't be surprised to see Oando going for four figures like Seplat, in the long term.

Long term Oando should be looking at N177 assuming SEPLAT price remain flat long term ay N3730.

Looking at number of shares, SEPLAT has 588 million shares while OANDO 12,431 million shares. That is for every 1 SEPLAT share there are 21 Oando shares. If one assumes they are roughly the same in Assets since they both had total assets of N3T in their 2023 financials. And assuming shareholders start benefitting at par from Assets in both companies. Oando price can be estimated to be SEPLAT share price divided by 21 based on these simple numbers & assumptions. At todays SEPLAT price of N3730 Oando's bench price goal is approximately N177

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 4:50pm On Aug 30
Sorry about your experience. You'll agree that palms will be oiled to overlook these laws when it concerns locals compared to expatriates

It is easier and cheaper to negotiate with Nigerians than with expatriates...

PS: Alhaji M.A. Dokubo is a 'friend' of the government wink
ositadima1:


When it comes to work ethics and conditions, Agip is the worst of them all. I once worked at the Ebocha Oil Center, one of their storage, preprocessing, and distribution fields, and I know what I witnessed there. Oando has been collaborating with Agip for quite some time—I remember seeing them during my time there. Most of the operations were already being run by Nigerians. I believe they had a few Italians at their gas plant in Omoku.

But do you really think the issues of insecurity, volatility, and asset theft will disappear once Oando fully takes charge?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:53pm On Aug 30
BabsO2:


Looking at number of shares SEPLAT has 588 million shares while OANDO 12,431 has

Yes, that is what gives superior returns and higher value to shareholders of Seplat.
My comparison is not based on the bottom line, but the top lines e.g. oil reserves, barrels of oil produced, turnover, number of OML/OPL etc.
In terms of bottom line, Seplat has been more profitable, has fewer number of shares, pays dividend consistently and has a more stable management.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by sterlingD(m): 4:55pm On Aug 30
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by mikeapollo: 4:58pm On Aug 30
ositadima1:


When it comes to work ethics and conditions, Agip is the worst of them all. I once worked at the Ebocha Oil Center, one of their storage, preprocessing, and distribution fields, and I know what I witnessed there. Oando has been collaborating with Agip for quite some time—I remember seeing them during my time there. Most of the operations were already being run by Nigerians. I believe they had a few Italians at their gas plant in Omoku.

But do you really think the issues of insecurity, volatility, and asset theft will disappear once Oando fully takes charge?
Those challenges will not disappear once Oando takes charge. But at least, we Nigerians understand ourselves better than the white man understands us. There are issues that we Nigerians can discuss and resolve faster under the tree or inside a small office in the nearby local government office or palace than a white man that is waiting for instructions from Rome or France
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 5:02pm On Aug 30
mikeapollo:


Yes, that is what gives superior returns and higher value to shareholders of Seplat.
My comparison is not based on the bottom line, but the top lines e.g. oil reserves, barrels of oil produced, turnover, number of OML/OPL etc.
In terms of bottom line, Seplat has been more profitable, has fewer number of shares, pays dividend consistently and has a more stable management.

I clicked send while still typing. I was trying to complete as follows

Long term Oando should be looking at N177 assuming SEPLAT price remain flat long term ay N3730.

Looking at number of shares, SEPLAT has 588 million shares while OANDO 12,431 million shares. That is for every 1 SEPLAT share there are 21 Oando shares. If one assumes they are roughly the same in Assets since they both had total assets of N3T in their 2023 financials. And assuming shareholders start benefitting at par from Assets in both companies. Oando price can be estimated to be SEPLAT share price divided by 21 based on these simple numbers & assumptions. At todays SEPLAT price of N3730 Oando's bench price goal is approximately N177

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ositadima1(m): 5:02pm On Aug 30
KarlTom:
Sorry about your experience. You'll agree that palms will be oiled to overlook these laws when it concerns locals compared to expatriates

It is easier and cheaper to negotiate with Nigerians than with expatriates...

PS: Alhaji M.A. Dokubo is a 'friend' of the government wink

Imagine you’re on your way to work and see thick smoke in the distance. As you approach your worksite, you discover it’s on fire—a large storage tank burning due to poor safety practices. Agip is the worst when it comes to safety, and I’ve heard it got bad after Nigerians took over most of the top positions.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by megawealth01: 5:05pm On Aug 30
grin
Willie2015:


U dey make me laugh... cheesy
Na statistics we go chop... grin




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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by megawealth01: 5:06pm On Aug 30
CUTIX alert landed safely very heavyweightgrin

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