Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

True talk Sír.


Cynics how far?

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MightySparrow:
True talk Sír.


Cynics how far?

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Antichristian
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A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

FxMasterz:


A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

Ta!

Thieves on the pulpit.

Even you, wish to be like them.

It is definitely not God Who sent them for God knows the power of One.

So if indeed they were God sent, the whole world would come to them which is of course convenient and restfull rather than they fly gloriously all over the world, living abundantly whereas, their suppises sheep are hungry, sick, homeless and jobless.

Neither Christ nor the disciples did this but of course thieves carrying bibles would not like to see their plans condemned.

ItuExchange:
Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

A thief shalll not condemn a thief.

ItuExchange:
Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

Can you speak to how often they travel? Where could they possibly be going that a commercial flight cannot reach?

ItuExchange:


“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.”
- Rev. Olu Johnson

I’m trying to be more empathetic these days but…………this Olu Johnson motherfucker is insane.

I believe we can use the fruits of God's grace, whether private jets or other forms of blessings as long as the purpose for which they are given are actualised, which is the preaching of Christ himself.

The problem comes in when there are too many expenditures, activities and programs with very little impact. I don't know if we realise our responsibility as the church, though the power is not of ourself, but we have a burden on us to disciple our members into the full knowledge and stature of Christ and to preach the gospel continuously to the lost. A lot of us seem to have lost sight of this vision and so what we churn out to the world are half baked christians or at best theologians who have no experience of the power of Christ in them.

Some unbelievers and even believers may be genuinely frustrated with the way the church appears to be operating and the powerlessness of so called professors.

But's what's our attitude towards these accusations and hard criticisms? I think we should see the permissive hand of God in these criticisms of the church and accept his chastisement instead of being quick to defend ourselves.

I believe until we have come to agree with God that Christ needs to be preached and allowed to live in us, God would continue to let the world knock the church. The world is in dire need of Christ but most of the church are more concerned about playing church and teaching every other thing but Christ, hence obstructing him.

StillDtruth:


Ta!

Thieves on the pulpit.

Even you, wish to be like them.

It is definitely not God Who sent them for God knows the power of One.

So if indeed they were God sent, the whole world would come to them which is of course convenient and restfull rather than they fly gloriously all over the world, living abundantly whereas, their suppises sheep are hungry, sick, homeless and jobless.

Neither Christ nor the disciples did this but of course thieves carrying bibles would not like to see their plans condemned.

At the bolded, since you're the one who is God-sent, I can see that the whole world has come to you. Or perhaps they're with your God-sent pastor.

I don't even know why you're always militant in all your posts. Are you a soldier-lawyer?

FxMasterz:


At the bolded, since you're the one who is God-sent, I can see that the whole world has come to you. Or perhaps they're with your God-sent pastor.

I don't even know why you're always militant in all your posts? Are you a soldier-lawyer?

. Don't you know a lawyer is a soldier? The Christian soldiers hymn is no joke for living is a war and every evil we see will be attacked and destroyed with furious anger.

Neither give place to the devil. Is The Law

TimiRume:
I believe we can use the fruits of God's grace, whether private jets or other forms of blessings as long as the purpose for which they are given are actualised, which is the preaching of Christ himself.


The problem comes in when there are too many expenditures, activities and programs with very little impact. I don't know if we realise our responsibility as the church, though the power is not of ourself, but we have a burden on us to disciple our members into the full knowledge and stature of Christ and to preach the gospel continuously to the lost. A lot of us seem to have lost sight of this vision and so what we churn out to the world are half baked christians or at best theologians who have no experience of the power of Christ in them.

Some unbelievers and even believers may be genuinely frustrated with the way the church appears to be operating and the powerlessness of so called professors.

But's what's our attitude towards these accusations and hard criticisms? I think we should see the permissive hand of God in these criticisms of the church and accept his chastisement instead of being quick to defend ourselves.

I believe until we have come to agree with God that Christ needs to be preached and allowed to live in us, God would continue to let the world knock the church. The world is in dire need of Christ but most of the church are more concerned about playing church and teaching every other thing but Christ, hence obstructing him.

Wrong!

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8

The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing are participating in any evil thing

StillDtruth:


. Don't you know a lawyer is a soldier? The Christian soldiers hymn is no joke for living is a war and every evil we see will be attacked and destroyed with furious anger.

Neither give place to the devil. Is The Law

Lol. But that's not the way it should be. We're still limited in knowledge and therefore cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. Do not judge or call people devils. Tomorrow, when more knowledge comes to you, you'll call them saints. Just as you can see better today regarding your actions yesterday. You'll still see better tomorrow regarding your actions of today.

Many years ago, I used to think that buying jets for men of God is evil as you are thinking today. But after my own personal experience with ministry, I saw why it was necessary for them. Without it, they wouldn't be able to accomplish much. Jesus said, "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel." He didn't tell us to wait for the people to come to us.

It seems you believe that these people are fake. Well, maybe I'm also fake to you as well. But you see, people who are into religion always see others as fake, and are always angry when others don't do what they thought they should have done. But people who have met Jesus don't reason like that. God loves sinners and wants them to come into Righteousness. God does not hate sinners. He only hates the sins they commit. Infact, God loves sinners. That's why Jesus had to die for everyone. He didn't die for the righteous. He died for sinners.

We are commanded to pity sinners. Not to be angry with them or call them mad.

Jude 1:23

"...and for others, save, snatching them out of the fire; and on others have mercy with fear, hating even the tunic polluted by the flesh."

Save them, hate only the garment of sin they wear but have mercy on those wearing those garments and save them from the fire.

And let me also add that these men of God do a lot of charity work which they don't announce. Charity worth several millions of dollars yearly from their personal pockets.

Oyedepo doesn't earn any salary as a person. Most of what he has are gifts including the jets.

FxMasterz:


A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

You see am so. The church members that contributed the money are not crying but these scenarists hypothetically whin and deafen the cyberspace with heaven - daring lies.

FxMasterz:

Lol. But that's not the way it should be. We're still limited in knowledge and therefore cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. Do not judge or call people devils. Tomorrow, when more knowledge comes to you, you'll call them saints. Just as you can see better today regarding your actions yesterday. You'll still see better tomorrow regarding your actions of today.

It is babies who are limited in knowledge and cannot decide right and wrong.

Adults eg Adam, Cain, Pharoah, Moses, the isrealites and Amelekites, Buhari, Tinubu and even you knew right and wrong even though you would say thay all have limited knowledge.

So this holds no water.

FxMasterz:

Many years ago, I used to think that buying jets for men of God is evil as you are thinking today. But after my own personal experience with ministry, I saw why it was necessary for them. Without it, they wouldn't be able to accomplish much. Jesus said, "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel." He didn't tell us to wait for the people to come to us.

It seems you believe that these people are fake. Well, maybe I'm also fake to you as well. But you see, people who are into religion always see others as fake, and are always angry when others don't do what they thought they should have done. But people who have met Jesus don't reason like that. God loves sinners and wants them to come into Righteousness. God does not hate sinners. He only hates the sins they commit. Infact, God loves sinners. That's why Jesus had to die for everyone. He didn't die for the righteous. He died for sinners.

We are commanded to pity sinners. Not to be angry with them or call them mad.

Jude 1:23

"...and for others, save, snatching them out of the fire; and on others have mercy with fear, hating even the tunic polluted by the flesh."

Save them, hate only the garment of sin they wear but have mercy on those wearing those garments and save them from the fire.

And let me also add that these men of God do a lot of charity work which they don't announce. Charity worth several millions of dollars yearly from their personal pockets.

As i said The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing or participating in any evil thing.

And not by going up and down making noises

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8

FxMasterz:

Oyedepo doesn't earn any salary as a person. Most of what he has are gifts including the jets.

The bible said it, all must work. We all know gifts are not given unless he made bloated promises or he is a witch like simon.the sourcerer.

As great as Moses and the prophets were.did people give them gifts? No.

Or inspite of all The Lord, Jesus did and gave who gave Him many a plenty gifts?

These men are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

The bible already shows us what real men of God are like and what always happens to them.

StillDtruth:


Wrong!

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8

The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing are participating in any evil thing

Well I see your point. The commission given to the church still stands until Jesus comes whether people have preached him ignorantly or not. The ministry of evangalising is still in operation albeit the abuse of it. Its still real and we are still commanded to preach by word, the gospel. Else how can they believe without a preacher?

And as regarding preaching with our deeds, I agree with you. What we say has to match our behaviours else we would just be false ministers and pretenders.

StillDtruth:


It is babies who are limited in knowledge and cannot decide right and wrong.

Adults eg Adam, Cain, Pharoah, Moses, the isrealites and Amelekites, Buhari, Tinubu and even you knew right and wrong even though you would say thay all have limited knowledge.

So this holds no water.



As i said The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing or participating in any evil thing.

And not by going up and down making noises

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8



The bible said it, all must work. We all know gifts are not given unless he made bloated promises or he is a witch like simon.the sourcerer.

As great as Moses and the prophets were.did people give them gifts? No.

Or inspite of all The Lord, Jesus did and gave who gave Him many a plenty gifts?

These men are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

The bible already shows us what real men of God are like and what always happens to them.

Oyedepo doesn't make any promises to receive gifts. People who have been blessed by his ministry gift him everyday. He rarely buys anything with his money. Even factories abroad send him regular gifts of clothes, shoes, etc. There are those whose lives have been touched by his ministry and are regular and committed givers without him ever asking. Oyedepo would never ask you for a dime. He even boasts that his ministry has never asked anyone for contribution. "All you see here can only be God. We are not achievers. We are just receivers. This ministry has never asked anybody for money. A believer is not saved to live a beggarly life." Please don't sin by attacking men of God by your limited knowledge.

You did cut off my statement to establish a what you wanted to say. I said we cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. You started talking about deciding right and wrong as though that's what I said.

As far as Spiritual issues are concerned, we are all learners No one can claim to be a master of spiritual truths. It would even be pride to say that.

Paul said:

"For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you."

Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought to think. Knowledge puffs up but charity edifies.

1 Corinthians 12:1
"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God."

He even said that you should not think you know anything yet as you ought to know.

The men of God you're calling devils have hazarded their lives for the gospel more than you have ever done. They have severe God ministry whole heatedly for more than 50yrs without a single scandal in their ministries. Please be guided in your utterances. Remain blessed.

FxMasterz:

Oyedepo doesn't make any promises to receive gifts. People who have been blessed by his ministry gift him everyday. He rarely buys anything with his money. Even factories abroad send him regular gifts of clothes, shoes, etc. .

Thrash
Moses and the prophets did it, who gave them gifts?

The Lord, Himself did it and His disciples too, who gave them plenty gifts?

Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

ItuExchange:
Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

Ok,
Let's educate ourselves.

The question i was about asking Rev Olu Johnson is that, do Christians really need this evangelism movement that will warrant a private jet?

Don't you think that what should be mandatory for believers in Christ is to embatk on evangelization which is to convert non Christians into Christianity?

[quote author=StillDtruth post=131788349]

Thrash
Moses and the prophets did it, who gave them gifts?

The Lord, Himself did it and His disciples too, who gave them plenty gifts?

They received gifts. Yes or no?

Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God![/b]

Okay. That's alright. No need to argue with you.

ItuExchange:
↪Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.
“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.
“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

He basically compared himself to the CEO of Nigeria meaning he is quite aware that religion is the business of building and maintain of empires here on earth — the kingdoms of men unto their egos—for these scammers-in-the-lords.

As for their gullible followers...who knows if they will ever really get a clue as many refuse to see what is right in front of them all of the time.

Precise Study

FxMasterz:

They received gifts. Yes or no?

Did they give any of them horses and chariots and carriages and even lands or houses? No.

Sorry, your pastor Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are falls prophets and not of God!

paxonel:

Ok,
Let's educate ourselves.

The question i was about asking Rev Olu Johnson is that, do Christians really need this evangelism movement that will warrant a private jet?

Don't you think that what should be mandatory for believers in Christ is to embatk on evangelization which is to convert non Christians into Christianity?

This is wrong and this is what people complain about.

The commandment is to preach, you have no right to convert anyone for what you do to others should be done to you.

So, if you say its right to convert others to christianity, therefore it is right for jws, Otem, Encanker, satanists, muslims etc to convert you like bankers and telecoms.

And The Lord, does not violate rights, so He did not command conversion. He only Said preach which is talking alone which is all He did.

StillDtruth:


Did they give any of them horses and chariots and carriages and even lands or houses? No.

If they gave them, they'll not reject it. You cannot fault a man according to the gifts someone else gave to him

[

b]Sorry, your pastor Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are falls prophets and not of God![/b]

According to StillDtruth. Someone who doesn't even believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Lol.

Una don start again

Make I call Abel Damina asap.

You people won't stop promoting rubbish

General Overseers of Pentecostal churches

All these small small jet planes they are all riding. None of dem has bought Airbus A300 or Boeing 747

Gbam

Jesus only rode on donkeys

Rationalization 101.

It's hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to enter a needle eye!

See excuse?

Can you give similar excuse to Tinubu?

In this digital age where you can be live everywhere in seconds!

When congregation dey fast pastors dey jet!