usmanpogo:


Firstly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, changing history or the account of what happened should not be tolerated. I'm not trying to absolve the Soviets of any wrongdoings. If you perused my recent submission closely you would observed I never mentioned "Nazi", because it's an ideology, certain countries share similar ideologies, some countries share these ideologies, in Germany there's Nazism, in Italy they've the fascist movement, both movements are ultra-natinonalist in nature. We have these ultra-natinonalist in Russia, the US, Europe and other countries.

You claimed the Soviets made a secret pact to share Poland during a time of peace.

The question now is " when exactly do you think the so called world war 2 started ?
You don't just wake up and start a world war, there was a build-up to the point things got escalated.
In this instance the war started around 1938, I believe some people are deliberately leaving out or erasing some accounts of how things actually happened.


Thirdly, I'll repeat it "the f**king Germans had the best military and they had the industrial capacity to back it up"
I can't believe anyone would dispute the might of the Germans during WW2, the Soviets were no match for the Germans, there was no greater force in the world during that period. The closest in might to the Germans after the modernization of the Germans army in Europe was the Soviet. The Germans not only captured and subjugated France but also Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Finally, if not for the Soviets paying the ultimate price( more than 20 million died) and the alliance ( the participation of the US mostly) your texts would have been in German lol

Fourthly, if Germany didn't invade the Soviets, we would all be speaking German by now, because Hitler, would take more than 80% of Europe and he would have his sight on the US, the only formidable ally the Germans had was the imperialist Japanese army and they sure had a beef with the US since the time the US took control of the Philippines. So yes both the Japanese and the Germans would have ruled the world with the Soviets playing catch up.



Disclaimer: this is not a glorification of Nazism or fascism or a subscription to any ultra-natinonalist movement but recognizing might where it is due.

cheers 🥂

usmanpogo:


Firstly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, changing history or the account of what happened should not be tolerated. I'm not trying to absolve the Soviets of any wrongdoings. If you perused my recent submission closely you would observed I never mentioned "Nazi", because it's an ideology, certain countries share similar ideologies, some countries share these ideologies, in Germany there's Nazism, in Italy they've the fascist movement, both movements are ultra-natinonalist in nature. We have these ultra-natinonalist in Russia, the US, Europe and other countries.

You claimed the Soviets made a secret pact to share Poland during a time of peace.

The question now is " when exactly do you think the so called world war 2 started ?
You don't just wake up and start a world war, there was a build-up to the point things got escalated.
In this instance the war started around 1938, I believe some people are deliberately leaving out or erasing some accounts of how things actually happened.


Thirdly, I'll repeat it "the f**king Germans had the best military and they had the industrial capacity to back it up"
I can't believe anyone would dispute the might of the Germans during WW2, the Soviets were no match for the Germans, there was no greater force in the world during that period. The closest in might to the Germans after the modernization of the Germans army in Europe was the Soviet. The Germans not only captured and subjugated France but also Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Finally, if not for the Soviets paying the ultimate price( more than 20 million died) and the alliance ( the participation of the US mostly) your texts would have been in German lol

Fourthly, if Germany didn't invade the Soviets, we would all be speaking German by now, because Hitler, would take more than 80% of Europe and he would have his sight on the US, the only formidable ally the Germans had was the imperialist Japanese army and they sure had a beef with the US since the time the US took control of the Philippines. So yes both the Japanese and the Germans would have ruled the world with the Soviets playing catch up.



Disclaimer: this is not a glorification of Nazism or fascism or a subscription to any ultra-natinonalist movement but recognizing might where it is due.

cheers 🥂

obedience4:



All this are just epistles upon epistles

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, was signed on 1 SEPTEMBER 1939, there was no war when this was signed.WW2 had not started, Not a single bullet has been fired in Europe.

A week later on SEPTEMBER 17 1939 Germany invaded Poland starting what we now called WW2.
The Soviet Union on 17 September also invaded its neighbour Poland and took its territory as part of the bargain they signed with nazi Germany on 1st SEPTEMBER 1939. The painful thing about this whole thing is that the Soviet union invaded Poland its neighbour violating the 1932 Soviet–Polish Non-Aggression Pact, and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the "Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact".

By March 1940, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union following the Winter War. The Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertsa region) followed. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940.
All this nation's were invaded and annexed by the Soviet Union,by early 1941 the Soviet Union had occupied most of all the baltic States, this was an unprecedented unprokved attack by the Soviet Union all this came about because of the non aggression pact signed between the soviet union and nazis Germans on 1st SEPTEMBER 1939, there was no difference between nazi Germany and Soviet Union they both attacked and annexed territory at will.

So man, the pact was signed in 1st September during peace time and the war started on September 17 a week after the pact was signed, this is common knowledge sir.

Note also that prior to Germany invading Poland. on 16 of September a Soviet–Japanese ceasefire came into effect, this was to show that the pact was a condinated plan by Germany to allow themselves take up portions of Europe, while having not to worry about a possible Soviet Union intervention.

Most historians would dispute the cause of ww2, they are various theories of what caused ww2, many people have postulated different reasons why ww2 came about, get my point, the whole point of this agurement is that someone there keeps calling the US nazis, what am trying to say is that the Soviet union which many here so much loved was a principal partner of the nazis and they both made a pact to share northern Europe for themselves.


For the Germans military might. Am not disputing the Germans fighting ability, Firsty they had an head start over many nations, nations were still recovering from the horrors and the economic impacts of ww1, and most nations at that time was more keen to trade and commerce, if you look at the history of Germany rearmement, I shared the link with someone here, you will clearly see they coverty started military buildup decades ahead of everyone beefing up their military industry, by the time ww2 started Germany had more tanks than the entire Europe. They knew at some point they were going to fight a major war and they had alot of time to prepare for it.

Also I saw you saying the Germans were going to set there sights on the US, that's funny, there's is a reason why no nation have been able to invade the continental US. Natural barrier the Atlantic ocean, how would Germany move its troops to North America and invade the US, let me end by quoting the Japanese admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's when asked about Japanese war against the US he said and I quote "that the only way for Japan to win the war was to dictate terms in the White House" he knew that no matter how hard they fought and how many battles they won ad long as the US homeland remains untouched they would never gain a clear victory

My friend, in conclusion, am not discussing the causes of ww2 am just buttressing a vital point that before ww2 started the soviet union with it ally nazi Germany had a secret pact to invade and share Poland and also share northern Europe for themselves.

Faithti:
whats the ultimate price you were talking about again??
Crazy fact: some of those polish deaths were carried out by the ussr and Poland was just a single country compared to the ussr...so don't bring up that ultimate price bullshit here.

usmanpogo:


Like I said earlier, if not for the Soviets and the Americans joining the war later on, this you called b*llshit would have been written in Deutsch

obedience4:



All this are just epistles upon epistles

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, was signed on 1 SEPTEMBER 1939, there was no war when this was signed.WW2 had not started, Not a single bullet has been fired in Europe.

A week later on SEPTEMBER 17 1939 Germany invaded Poland starting what we now called WW2.
The Soviet Union on 17 September also invaded its neighbour Poland and took its territory as part of the bargain they signed with nazi Germany on 1st SEPTEMBER 1939. The painful thing about this whole thing is that the Soviet union invaded Poland its neighbour violating the 1932 Soviet–Polish Non-Aggression Pact, and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the "Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact".

By March 1940, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union following the Winter War. The Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertsa region) followed. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940.
All this nation's were invaded and annexed by the Soviet Union,by early 1941 the Soviet Union had occupied most of all the baltic States, this was an unprecedented unprokved attack by the Soviet Union all this came about because of the non aggression pact signed between the soviet union and nazis Germans on 1st SEPTEMBER 1939, there was no difference between nazi Germany and Soviet Union they both attacked and annexed territory at will.

So man, the pact was signed in 1st September during peace time and the war started on September 17 a week after the pact was signed, this is common knowledge sir.

Note also that prior to Germany invading Poland. on 16 of September a Soviet–Japanese ceasefire came into effect, this was to show that the pact was a condinated plan by Germany to allow themselves take up portions of Europe, while having not to worry about a possible Soviet Union intervention.

Most historians would dispute the cause of ww2, they are various theories of what caused ww2, many people have postulated different reasons why ww2 came about, get my point, the whole point of this agurement is that someone there keeps calling the US nazis, what am trying to say is that the Soviet union which many here so much loved was a principal partner of the nazis and they both made a pact to share northern Europe for themselves.


For the Germans military might. Am not disputing the Germans fighting ability, Firsty they had an head start over many nations, nations were still recovering from the horrors and the economic impacts of ww1, and most nations at that time was more keen to trade and commerce, if you look at the history of Germany rearmement, I shared the link with someone here, you will clearly see they coverty started military buildup decades ahead of everyone beefing up their military industry, by the time ww2 started Germany had more tanks than the entire Europe. They knew at some point they were going to fight a major war and they had alot of time to prepare for it.

Also I saw you saying the Germans were going to set there sights on the US, that's funny, there's is a reason why no nation have been able to invade the continental US. Natural barrier the Atlantic ocean, how would Germany move its troops to North America and invade the US, let me end by quoting the Japanese admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's when asked about Japanese war against the US he said and I quote "that the only way for Japan to win the war was to dictate terms in the White House" he knew that no matter how hard they fought and how many battles they won ad long as the US homeland remains untouched they would never gain a clear victory

My friend, in conclusion, am not discussing the causes of ww2 am just buttressing a vital point that before ww2 started the soviet union with it ally nazi Germany had a secret pact to invade and share Poland and also share northern Europe for themselves.

mysticwarrior:
The USSR brought WW2 to an end after the defeat of the mighty German army on RUSSIAN SOIL. The US only used atomic bomb to secure victory against a tiny Island which they do not have the courage to invade.

Faithti:
The guys that fought the Germans in
Africa
Italy plus the italians
France
Belgium
Norway
Britain
Netherlands
And Germany
Plus numerous locations in the middle east
And tons of lend leases to the soviets
The Japanese all over the pacific Islands
India
China
Burma
Indonesia
Philippines
Almost all of asia
Will never talk about how they paid the ultimate sacrifice......but you see those ones that died like flies due to bad war tactics and fanatical charges will be claiming how they single handedly defeated Hitler and save the world like captain volkda.

usmanpogo:


Like the Germans, the Soviets were expansionist, just like any major power Europe in those times. The Soviets tried to take all of Finland by starting the winter war(1939 was not a time of peace) but they failed and they took some part of it to save face.

The Tripartite Pact
Germany, Italy, and Japan on September 27, 1940, one year after the start of World War II. It created a defense alliance between the countries and was largely intended to deter the United States from entering the conflict.

Like I said, the Japanese were supposed to keep the Americans busy, while Germany holds Europe to ransom, the only mistake did was attacking the Soviet first and not including the Americans in his plans.

There are a lot of accounts missing or purposely removed from the public about what brought about the war. One thing is certain, after the first world war, the hegemonic power such as France, the UK , the Spanish and the Portuguese were a shadow of themselves. Imagine Chamberlain and Daladier allowing Hitler to take Czechoslavkia. Chamberlain after the Munich agreement with Hitler dictating the terms, yet Chamberlain called it a win but Churchill said " you were given a chance to choose between war or dishonor and you chose the latter.

A single country capable of fighting all of Europe to a standstill is a force of nature and the Germans after the modernization by the Führer was invincible. Till today no country has ever been able to replicate such feat, the Russians are close with the SMO in Ukraine in this regards but they aren't doing really well.

obedience4:



You have always flamboyantly showcase and display your ingonrance on this thread time and time again. well i would be doing myself a great dishonor if i say i don't come to expect such trash from you. A leopard they say can never change its spots".

Only an ignoramus like you would believe the Soviet union alone could deafet the raging German war machine, the same Soviet Union that was on the defensive for most part of the war, against a German force fighting on multiple fronts and also had to deal with rising partisan movements in France and Belgium and the Dutch territory

Someone like you do not know that the war in Europe was fought on two fronts/theaters. The western front the US and the allies and the eastern front with the Soviets Union, and the landings in Normandy were critical to the collapse of the German war machine


You f**lishy called Japan a small island, present day Japan wasn't the same Japan know as the imperial Japanese empire that fought in ww2, the empire consist of Korea, parts of China, the Philippines, present day Taiwan, up to parts in Australia and parts od present day Russian controlled island. the Japanese Empire at its apex was one of the largest empires in history. The total amount of land under Japanese sovereignty reached 8,510,000 km2 (3,300,000 sq mi) in 1942 By 1943, it accounted for more than 20% of the world's population at the time with 463 million people in its occupied regions and territories, yet you called it a small island 🤡

Read your history books, the US invaded and fought in Japan territory’s, famous battles of Okinawa,
Iwo ji ma and the rest were fought in your village abi??.

Kingsnairaland:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrKmA116/

Watch how the great putin was welcomed in Mongolia

Mongolia invited putin to celebrate the 85 anniversary of Russia helping the nation to chase away Japan military that invaded their country around 1939

So nato senile Biden fans tell your weak masters to go and arrest putin there lol

WrriterNg:
⚡Britain will immediately suspend 30 of its 350 arms export licenses with Israel because there is a risk "such equipment might be used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law".

WrriterNg:
⚡Poland has right to shoot down Russian missiles over Ukraine, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski says.

"I'm personally of the view that, when hostile missiles are on a course of entering our airspace, it would be legitimate self-defense (to strike them) because once they do cross into our airspace, the risk of debris injuring someone is significant."

obedience4:


Yet there is no other country in the world who has more successful black people in the world than the US, no country with more black people worth millions in dollars than the USA, no country with more black CEOs than the US, no country with more black/ African billionaires than the US, no country who have more black people represented in all tiers government than the US.

Just because your relatives who smuggled themselves into the US are drugs addicts dosent mean everyone is like your family.

Just because you came from a broken home, dosent mean everyone is like you and your pathetic family, or your M▪︎m gave births for multiple men dosent mean every black women or African woman are like her.

You grew up without a father figure, is not an excuse to think everyone is like you.

Everyday I see black America and Africa migrants in the US having good homes and being successful in all ramifications of life.

Speak for yourself and your broken addicts family clown.

obedience4:



All this you are writing doesn't change the fact of the discussion

The Soviet union that many people here are calling anti nazi and praising was a principal partner and backer to the nazi Germany invasion of Poland and starting of ww2

👆Do you or do you not subscribe to the above shaded quote YES OR NO

Me ain't got time for anymore back and forth

basilico:


Agree. Hitler was enraged by the terms of surrender in WW1 He grabbed power. He had territorial ambitions and the supremacy of the Aryan race which need more lebensraum ( land). He set his sights on Western Europe, getting into a pact with Stalin temporarily.
After he took over France and was set back by the British, he decided to invade Russia. He needed the oil fields and launched a 3 pronged attack to the north middle and south. He got stuck in the north and middle but he had overan large swathes of the South. Hitler needed the Ukraine wheat and maize to feed the German empire, iron and oil from Russia.
Russia with the help of America beat him back to Berlin. The allies marching eastwards from France also linked up in Berlin. Hitler, had Britain fallen would have saved his best for the last. Capture Russia.
America aid was vital in stopping him.
Not forgetting America beat back the Japanese in the Pacific theatre until they got to Japan proper. Every Japanese had been primed to kill any invading America solder, the casualties had they invaded would have been catastrophic for the American.
Luckily Oppenheimer led Manhattan project had developed the atomic bomb , the Japs needed 2 to force a surrender.

mysticwarrior:
You this Benin boy again, see as you just turn here to your ogogoro joint where you go just dey talk under the influence of Benin ogogoro. were you not the same person who said I should stop mentioning you? Now you are coming out with your weak analysis to contest my write up, if I start now you go say "stop mentioning me" go Oba of Benin palace make you go teach am Benin history.

WrriterNg:
⚡Russian President Putin arrived at Mongolian Palace of the President earlier today.

Mongolia, which is a member of the International Criminal Court, refused to arrest Putin on a warrant.

Instead, he got a red-carpet treatment.

Under the Rome Statute, which Mongolia ratified in 2003, member states are obliged to cooperate with the ICC, including executing arrest warrants.

usmanpogo:


Like I said earlier, if not for the Soviets and the Americans joining the war later on, this you called b*llshit would have been written in Deutsch

Faithti:
bro.......maybe you would have been writing in deutsch, I promise you I won't.
I rather die fighting on my feet than being a slave on my knees.
Long live a free Africa. free from colonial bastards and the intending bastards.