| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by joshkke(m): 10:03am On Sep 08 |
StillDtruth:
See it now that you cannot counter the next thing you do is to make accusation.
No where did i say God is not everwhere. But i definitely said I don't need to be close to a person to see and to know. So, while the OP's and your main points are valid in essence, the truth is that Psalm 139 as pointed out does prove that GOD is everywhere ( I mean which place can be worse than hell?). But the point you are not making quite clear is that GOD does not approve of some gatherings, though HE is present. HE will not condone, support, or manifest HIS Grace in these places, though HE is present. If GOD departs from a place or person, it would cease to exist because HE holds all things together and in HIM all things consist. But the most important thing is that the OP's and your message is valid and anyone who has ears to hear should hear. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by ManOfSon: 10:06am On Sep 08 |
"If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh."
😆 😀😀😀
Does this include the so called pastors and god of men? |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by NOETHNICITY(m): 10:17am On Sep 08 |
Remove all the above and the Christian church dies this very instant |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Franking: 10:26am On Sep 08 |
Dead, dying or living church makes no difference. Someone will cash out somewhere along the line. |
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| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by lomprico(m): 10:43am On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. What is wrong in not carrying/holding Bible? |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Lumig: 10:57am On Sep 08 |
Everyday247:
Op you do not understand, if the church implemented strict standards, many will not come to church. And if many do not come to church, that means insufficient tithe and offerings to fund buying of private jets i mean the spreading of the word of God.  "the standard of God standeth sure..." 1 Like |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by AngelicBeing: 11:01am On Sep 08 |
AntiChristian:
Church get life? And which church Jesus attend every Sunday/Saturday of his life?
Which choir band play for am?
Which pastor preach for am?
cc: advocatejare  , watch as the coward AntiChristian runs away, immediately advocatejare appears |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Ojuntana: 11:25am On Sep 08 |
99thEnemy:
Can you even tell how the bible came about?
I bet you can’t and don’t even know how. What does that have to do with anything |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Reloadedisraelp: 11:48am On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
Psalm 139: 7-12,15:
Jeremiah 23: 24:
Can you explain how any of those two passages mean God is everywhere?
Note: In Bible chronology, Psalm 139 is titled as God's perfect knowledge of Man. Jeremiah 23 is talking about God's condemnation of false prophets. ... correction ....God is presence is in everywhere......both in heaven n earth.....thing is dat some people are really close to him... while others are far from God,some have already condemned themselves from the sight of God..., remember he knows the next thing dat will happen next 199yrs..so correct ur mistakes |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Themandator: 11:52am On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. This is your opinion until you put a bible reference to each of them. God doesn't defend your opinion but his word... Not a jut of this word shall fall to the ground not your word Matt 24 v 35 And before you go on with this ramblings.. What is the hair style of Samson.... Mine is skin cut |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by MissOpe(f): 11:53am On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness. So are you saying there's no sin in the church's building? Just because everyone comes there pretending to be holy doesn't mean they're holy. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by femi4: 11:56am On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. 8. If they force you to seed your salary 9. If they tell you that if you don't pay tithe, it will be tight for you 10. If they tell you that you don't need medication if you are sick yet your pastor dey wear glasses to read the Bible |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by StillDtruth: 12:03pm On Sep 08 |
joshkke:
So, while the OP's and your main points are valid in essence, the truth is that Psalm 139 as pointed out does prove that GOD is everywhere ( I mean which place can be worse than hell?).
But the point you are not making quite clear is that GOD does not approve of some gatherings, though HE is present. HE will not condone, support, or manifest HIS Grace in these places, though HE is present. If GOD departs from a place or person, it would cease to exist because HE holds all things together and in HIM all things consist. But the most important thing is that the OP's and your message is valid and anyone who has ears to hear should hear. True! But i feel, ehen Exodus and Pentecost Day shows us the difference i am pointing out which is Yes, God is present and His Rule is seen and felt however, on the day He showed Himself to Isreal on the Mountain and the day of the dedication of His Tabernacle and Pentecost Day shows us the difference between where He is and the presence of His Rule. Which is why it written "Where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is..." which clearly shows that there is a difference Where God is and where He is not, even though He Rules and His Rule and presence is felt. 1 Like |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by BJanta: 12:04pm On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness. You yourself are mistaken. GOD is everywhere, but His manifest presence is not everywhere. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by vowiski(m): 12:15pm On Sep 08 |
Useless list |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by 99thEnemy(m): 12:15pm On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
What does that have to do with anything History, Formation of belief, Interpretation … amongst others. Many who come shouting, basing on and quoting have little or no knowledge of actual theological concepts. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Trustedpronet: 1:13pm On Sep 08 |
immortalcrown:
Have you taken your advice to read the Bible properly? What does Psalm 139 say? What about Jeremiah 23:23-24? So, God will abandon the innocent children in a Church by leaving the Church because of the sinners in the Church? Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity" (Jeremiah 51:6). If the foundation is faulty definitely the members will be mislead. But wait! Why are we pretending as if the bible did not talk about false prophets that will mislead many... suddenly no one wants to accept they are false. The red flag the op stated worth considering. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by brightleave(m): 1:21pm On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. church/religion na scam  |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by LLMG: 1:26pm On Sep 08 |
Thank you so much for this. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by placeofallure(f): 1:28pm On Sep 08 |
AntiChristian:
Church get life? And which church Jesus attend every Sunday/Saturday of his life?
Which choir band play for am?
Which pastor preach for am?
Jesus doesn't need anyone to preach to him; He is the message! |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by ShootThemAll(m): 1:29pm On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. Redeem, Winners, Christ Embassy, Salvation Ministry and 99% of churches in that shithole country falls into this category. Pst. Adeboye, Pst. Oyedepo, Pst. Ibiyeome etc are all DEVILS in human flesh. They have no iota of Christ like behaviour in them. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by colossus91(m): 1:29pm On Sep 08 |
immortalcrown:
OP, read Psalm 139. Also, check Jeremiah 23:23-24. God's presence is one thing, people recognising and utilising the presence is another thing. Refusal to eat when food is available does not mean famine. Choosing to be naked when the wardrobe is stocked with clothes does not mean lack of clothes.
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God is everywhere, even in a bar, even where people are committing sins. Some of you think that God discriminates. That is why some of you think that God is not in your homes, and you consequently choose to sleep in the Church every night claiming that that is where you can find God. Even in your classroom, God is there. Even in your shop or office, God is not absent. Even in shrines, God is present.
2.
What is the meaning of "omnipresent"?. Stop claiming that God is not in some Churches. What you should say is that the majority in a Church may ignorantly or deliberately use certain behaviours to reject the benefits of God's presence.
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Church members finding holiness message boring does not mean the absence of God. In fact, the message itself is a noticeable evidence of God's presence in the Church.
4.
All your points here are invalid. Even if the leader of a Church is a champion of sin, God is still in that Church, at least for the sake of innocent Children in the same Church. [sub][/sub] Thanks a lot bro you too the word out of my mouth We always use human standards to match God, but we forget that God and His word will forever remain standard. If we are to go by this does that mean Shedrach meshach and Abednego would have just not been worshiping God as they lived in the palace of idol worshippers. Thanks again for answer OP your points are point full God bless you, we will not stop till the word of God goes round the word. Jesus is king! |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by adams123: 1:40pm On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
At least a church is better than the terrorist enclaves you call mosques where you plan murders after hitting your head on the floor
Which mosque did Muhammad attend every Friday Muhammad attended Mosques in Mecca and Madina. MUHAMMAD also told us that GOD revealed to him that Jesus is coming back to the world at the edge of end of the world, his coming is the major sign of the end of this world. MUHAMMAD also told us that he's the last messenger of GOD sent to humanity before the end of the world so IF any one decided to disobey his message from GOD, the fellow is on his own and hell fire will be an abode of such individual. May all our christian brothers and sisters and other unbelievers of the message of ISLAM repent and accept Islam before their death |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Chetas81(m): 1:41pm On Sep 08 |
Delusional can be dangerous to humanity |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by wman(m): 1:52pm On Sep 08 |
AntiChristian:
Church get life? And which church Jesus attend every Sunday/Saturday of his life?
Which choir band play for am?
Which pastor preach for am?
Their own church was everyday, forsaking not the companion of the brethren. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by BeigJawnson(m): 2:04pm On Sep 08 |
AntiChristian:
Church get life? And which church Jesus attend every Sunday/Saturday of his life?
Which choir band play for am?
Which pastor preach for am?
After Jesus left, the church started... You dey read bible at all? |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Starberg(m): 2:09pm On Sep 08 |
cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.
As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.
Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.
(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.
(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.
(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.
(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.
(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.
(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.
(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ. If salvation is not being preached. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by AceRoyal: 2:13pm On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness. If you believe that God created all things (All things meaning both good and evil) and is all powerful, then He is Omnipresent. But if you say He didn't create all things, then He's not Omnipresent and thus not all powerful. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by AceRoyal: 2:17pm On Sep 08 |
Ojuntana:
Neither Psalm 139 nor Jeremiah 23 says God is everywhere. God will abandon innocent children in a church if the church is not his. That is why you are asked to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. God is not a babysitter. Let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he falls.
If you walk with goats, you will chop grass. God will not because you are righteous condone your walking with evil. Ask Lot. He lost everything he owned to his decision to live in Sodom. Even his wife was not spared!! There are principles and laws that govern the physical and spiritual realms and even God recognises and operates within these laws and principles. God doesn't abandon sinners, Salvation is meant for sinners and not the Righteous. Our God is a God of love, always fighting for the salvation and redemption of lost souls. Jeremiah 23:2-6 talks about judgement for the bad shepard but salvation and redemption for the lost sheep. Provide biblical scriptures to back up your claims when discussing issues like this. The version of God you think you know, is the version of God you will experience. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by Starberg(m): 2:19pm On Sep 08 |
adams123:
Muhammad attended Mosques in Mecca and Madina. MUHAMMAD also told us that GOD revealed to him that Jesus is coming back to the world at the edge of end of the world, his coming is the major sign of the end of this world. MUHAMMAD also told us that he's the last messenger of GOD sent to humanity before the end of the world so IF any one decided to disobey his message from GOD, the fellow is on his own and hell fire will be an abode of such individual.
May all our christian brothers and sisters and other unbelievers of the message of ISLAM repent and accept Islam before their death Your message is self-contradictory. You said God gave us Jesus Christ and now you want us to abandon Jesus's Christ ministry and move to Islamic religion being introduce by a prophet? How? Jesus Christ did not condemn the Mosaic law which is known as Prophet Musa. You are insulating that the message Jesus Christ brought is inferior to Mohammad. The same Mohammad said Jesus Christ is coming back the second time. I don't criticize Islamic religion but accept Jesus as your personal savior. |
| Re: Signs a Christian is Attending Dead Or Dying Churches by joshkke(m): 2:21pm On Sep 08 |
StillDtruth:
True!
But i feel, ehen Exodus and Pentecost Day shows us the difference i am pointing out which is Yes, God is present and His Rule is seen and felt however, on the day He showed Himself to Isreal on the Mountain and the day of the dedication of His Tabernacle and Pentecost Day shows us the difference between where He is and the presence of His Rule.
Which is why it written "Where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is..." which clearly shows that there is a difference Where God is and where He is not, even though He Rules and His Rule and presence is felt.
Correct  |
