colossus91:



Thanks a lot bro you too the word out of my mouth

We always use human standards to match God, but we forget that God and His word will forever remain standard. If we are to go by this does that mean Shedrach meshach and Abednego would have just not been worshiping God as they lived in the palace of idol worshippers. Thanks again for answer OP your points are point full God bless you, we will not stop till the word of God goes round the word. Jesus is king!

The OP made a valid point. A church where the true words of God become a boring message and the church prefer the highlife kind of worship is no go area. Why did God reprove some churches he wrote to in the book of Revelation? He said the churches were big but they were dead spiritually. A church where Salvation does not end a sermon even if it prosperity sermon, that church is devoid of sound preaching and should be avoided.

Ojuntana:

Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness.

Even in the depths of hell, God is there. That's a character of God - omnipresence. It's our own awareness of God's presence that may be muted by sin or Faithlessness. So a Church cannot be dead in the real sense of the word. When the bible talks about the church in Sardis, he was talking about the spiritual state of the people in it (an allegory of the valley of dry bones). But even God breathed life into the valley of dry bones. So who are you to proclaim one church is dead or one is alive? Only God has the right to do that. And if he so wishes he'll revive the dead church.

immortalcrown:
Have you taken your advice to read the Bible properly? What does Psalm 139 say? What about Jeremiah 23:23-24? So, God will abandon the innocent children in a Church by leaving the Church because of the sinners in the Church?

Your understanding is very little, sir.

And you're not seeking to increase it. You're more interested in propagating a twisted narrative.

I wonder for whose benefit. So godless churches continue go exist, and people remain lost?

immortalcrown:
You are a preacher of heresy until you point out where the Bible says that God is not everywhere.

Letters have you confused. The letters killeth indeed.

Think about a marriage where both parties have been brutally hurt. Maybe the woman found her husband sleeping with the maid... and the husband found out his wife has been sleeping with a colleague.


They refuse to get divorced. However, there's no love or trust or respect or actual family attitude in that home anymore. Husband and wife sleep in separate rooms, barely talk to each other, continue in their extra marital affairs.

Such a marriage ended in the true sense.
.even though on paper it is yet to be annulled.


It is the same with certain churches. Activities...but no essence. No God interacting with them.
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I'm clarifying this for the benefit of other people whose hearts aren't yet hardened. That they may learn the truth.

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God being everywhere is figurative. It is that nothing escapes him. He sees it all. He knows it all


However, the glory of His presence that brings about holiness, power, reverence, peace, etc DOES NOT DWELL IN UNHOLY PLACES.

The church today is a replacement of what used to be the temple. God had requirements for how the temple must be. HOLY. SUITABLE FOR PURIFICATION.

PrimadonnaO:


Letters have you confused. The letters killeth indeed.

Think about a marriage where both parties have been brutally hurt. Maybe the woman found her husband sleeping with the maid... and the husband found out his wife has been sleeping with a colleague.


They refuse to get divorced. However, there's no love or trust or respect or actual family attitude in that home anymore. Husband and wife sleep in separate rooms, barely talk to each other, continue in their extra marital affairs.

Such a marriage ended in the true sense.
.even though on paper it is yet to be annulled.


It is the same with certain churches. Activities...but no essence. No God interacting with them.
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I'm clarifying this for the benefit of other people whose hearts aren't yet hardened. That they may learn the truth.

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God being everywhere is figurative. It is that nothing escapes him. He sees it all. He knows it all


However, the glory of His presence that brings about holiness, power, reverence, peace, etc DOES NOT DWELL IN UNHOLY PLACES.

The church today is a replacement of what used to be the temple. God had requirements for how the temple must be. HOLY. SUITABLE FOR PURIFICATION.

Absolutely fantastic and spot on, l agree with your submissions

cutecommend:
Almost every Sunday, people go to church to worship God. Many go prepared and properly dressed. In some of these churches, there are exciting and nice activities that keep members excited, but even with the excitements, God is not really there.

As you keep attending church, remember that you are responsible for your soul, and you need to make the right decision on the kind of church you are going to so that you may not damn your soul.

Signs You are Attending a Dead or Dying Church.

(1) If true Holiness Message and solid doctrine is irritating, boring and unexciting to its members. But dancing, jumping, comedy, shouting wooo etc are more preferred to sound doctrine.

(2) If seductive and indecent dressing is highly tolerated, and some of the guys in church department plait hair.

(3) If members are ashamed to hold bible (physical bible) on the road while going to church.

(4) If comedians are coming to the pulpit to jest and tell lies to make people laugh.

(5) If such church makes you live comfortably in sin, while using grace message to make you feel alright even in sin.

(6) If prayers for repentance, consecration, fruits of the spirit, sanctification, purification, character development is put aside, while prayers for vision, prosperity, impact, taking territories, getting visa, going to the next levels, goals, purpose etc is emphasized more.

(7) If such church makes you have no thought or little awareness of the coming of Christ.

The only sign you are attending a dead church is Christ and him crucified not being in the center of every discussion.

Not telling people how Holy and righteous they are in Christ Jesus.

Not telling them how accepted they are in the beloved.

JimD:


Even in the depths of hell, God is there. That's a character of God - omnipresence. It's our own awareness of God's presence that may be muted by sin or Faithlessness. So a Church cannot be dead in the real sense of the word. When the bible talks about the church in Sardis, he was talking about the spiritual state of the people in it (an allegory of the valley of dry bones). But even God breathed life into the valley of dry bones. So who are you to proclaim one church is dead or one is alive? Only God has the right to do that. And if he so wishes he'll revive the dead church.

No Sir,
God is not in hell. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus makes us to understand that God put a deep gulf between heaven and hell so no one can cross from one side to the other.
You already pointed to Revelations 3 where a dead church was mentioned so I don't know what you mean by a church can't be dead. The church is not the building but the souls of the congregants.
As for Omnipresence of God, that refers to the fact that he can be anywhere but it does not mean he's everywhere.
God can be everywhere but by virtue of his holiness, he's not everywhere.

AceRoyal:


If you believe that God created all things (All things meaning both good and evil) and is all powerful, then He is Omnipresent.

But if you say He didn't create all things, then He's not Omnipresent and thus not all powerful.

What do you understand by Omnipresent from the bible

adams123:

Muhammad attended Mosques in Mecca and Madina. MUHAMMAD also told us that GOD revealed to him that Jesus is coming back to the world at the edge of end of the world, his coming is the major sign of the end of this world. MUHAMMAD also told us that he's the last messenger of GOD sent to humanity before the end of the world so IF any one decided to disobey his message from GOD, the fellow is on his own and hell fire will be an abode of such individual.
May all our christian brothers and sisters and other unbelievers of the message of ISLAM repent and accept Islam before their death

Which mosque did he attend in Mecca ?
If Muhammad says Jesus is coming back, did he tell you what he's coming back as? Especially considering the fact that Muhammad says he's the last messenger. So what is Jesus going to come back as?

99thEnemy:

History,

Formation of belief,

Interpretation … amongst others.


Many who come shouting, basing on and quoting have little or no knowledge of actual theological concepts.

What theological concepts

BJanta:


You yourself are mistaken. GOD is everywhere, but His manifest presence is not everywhere.

God's presence is not everywhere but God is not everywhere
Can you explain the difference

Ojuntana:

What theological concepts

Obviously, you have no single idea. So, it’s fruitless trying to explain when you have no foundation about whatever I said.

Shalom.

99thEnemy:

Obviously, you have no single idea. So, it’s fruitless trying to explain when you have no foundation about whatever I said.

Shalom.

Hmmmm

Ojuntana:

Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness.

God is everywhere, that's why He is omnipresent but His manifested presence isn't everywhere.

Jesus asked His disciples to gather at Galilee after His resurrection (Matt 28:7)
Why did He ask them to gather there? He could have just met them anywhere.

Kingosytex:


God is everywhere, that's why He is omnipresent but His manifested presence isn't everywhere.

Jesus asked His disciples to gather at Galilee after His resurrection (Matt 28:7)
Why did He ask them to gather there? He could have just met them anywhere.

I don't get you. You seem to contradict yourself

His manifest presence. What's that?
If Jesus asked them to meet him at a specific place does it not negate your principle of being everywhere?

Ojuntana:

No Sir,
God is not in hell. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus makes us to understand that God put a deep gulf between heaven and hell so no one can cross from one side to the other.
You already pointed to Revelations 3 where a dead church was mentioned so I don't know what you mean by a church can't be dead. The church is not the building but the souls of the congregants.
As for Omnipresence of God, that refers to the fact that he can be anywhere but it does not mean he's everywhere.
God can be everywhere but by virtue of his holiness, he's not everywhere.

Read your bible. And don't just follow dogma

Ojuntana:

Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness.

I mentioned you with respect to this. God is not everywhere? 😂 This has got to be a joke. God's is everywhere and that's why He is omnipresent.
You would be right by saying His manifestation presence isn't everywhere that's why I pointed out that Jesus asked His disciples to meet Him at Galilee for a reason (Matt 28:7). Bros J could have met them anywhere, but He said Galilee. Why Galilee?

Exodus 19:20 describes God’s presence coming to Moses on Mt. Sinai, “The LORD came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain. And the LORD called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.”
Why Mt Sinai?

In Acts 2:2-4, the Holy Spirit manifests himself upon the disciples in the upper room. “Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.” The Spirit’s presence was tangibly different than it was moments before. God was omnipresent at every moment yet experienced differently on Pentecost.

Ojuntana:

No Sir,
God is not in hell. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus makes us to understand that God put a deep gulf between heaven and hell so no one can cross from one side to the other.
You already pointed to Revelations 3 where a dead church was mentioned so I don't know what you mean by a church can't be dead. The church is not the building but the souls of the congregants.
As for Omnipresence of God, that refers to the fact that he can be anywhere but it does not mean he's everywhere.
God can be everywhere but by virtue of his holiness, he's not everywhere.

Ps 139:7 - 10

Point No 6 affects 90% of pentecostal churches but they won't just allow you to talk b4 the congregants descend on you in defence of their G.Os

JimD:



So who are you to proclaim one church is dead or one is alive? Only God has the right to do that. And if he so wishes he'll revive the dead church.

you made a great point here

Ojuntana:

Which mosque did he attend in Mecca ?
If Muhammad says Jesus is coming back, did he tell you what he's coming back as? Especially considering the fact that Muhammad says he's the last messenger. So what is Jesus going to come back as?

Muslim mythology; Jesus is coming back to convert everyone to Muslim

Ojuntana:


As for Omnipresence of God, that refers to the fact that he can be anywhere but it does not mean he's everywhere.
God can be everywhere but by virtue of his holiness, he's not everywhere.

so your point is that God is not everywhere so if God was not every where then

[b] what happened when Jonah try to run away from God[/b]if you say God isn't everywy

The go to a bible believing church crew kind of thread.

Just a post to continually partition Christians again.

Ojuntana:

Go and read your Bible properly. God is not everywhere. God sees everything and knows everything but his presence is not everywhere. God does not inhabit a place where there is sin or unholiness.

I beg to differ.
There is a difference, by material he is everywhere but by consciousness (pure form) he might not necessarily be. The same way energy is a fundamental aspect of the universe but it is not a physical object, the sun rays reaching us but it is not physically here and the ocean being present in every wave but not limited to a single wave.

Starberg:



The OP made a valid point. A church where the true words of God become a boring message and the church prefer the highlife kind of worship is no go area. Why did God reprove some churches he wrote to in the book of Revelation? He said the churches were big but they were dead spiritually. A church where Salvation does not end a sermon even if it prosperity sermon, that church is devoid of sound preaching and should be avoided.

Definitely that’s correctb

BeigJawnson:


After Jesus left, the church started... You dey read bible at all?

This is the same thing I'm saying! He didn't start the Church!

wman:


Their own church was everyday, forsaking not the companion of the brethren.

Are you sure?

AntiChristian:


This is the same thing I'm saying! He didn't start the Church!

You are not saying the same thing... You say He didn't start a Church ... But He Jesus said on this Rock will I build my Church? What did He mean when He said that?

BeigJawnson:



You are not saying the same thing... You say He didn't start a Church ... But He Jesus said on this Rock will I build my Church? What did He mean when He said that?

He will build his Church, so show us where he built it?

AntiChristian:


He will build his Church, so show us where he built it?

Mtcheeeew...

Answer this first... YOUR allah LOVES SNEEZING AND HATES YAWNING BECAUSE IT COMES FROM SHAYTAN? SO AS A MUSLIM YOU CANT YAWN? .... HOW? EXPLAIN THAT FIRST BEFORE LOOKING FOR CHURCH...

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Allah loves sneezing and hates yawning. When one of you sneezes and praises Allah Almighty, it is a duty for every Muslim who hears him to say to him, 'May Allah have mercy on you.' Yawning comes from Shaytan. When one of you yawns, he should control it as much as possible. When a man says, 'Aawh!,' Shaytan laughs at him."
حَدَّثَنَا آدَمُ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي ذِئْبٍ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ الْمَقْبُرِيُّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ‏:‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْعُطَاسَ، وَيَكْرَهُ التَّثَاؤُبَ، فَإِذَا عَطَسَ فَحَمِدَ اللَّهَ فَحَقٌّ عَلَى كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ سَمِعَهُ أَنْ يُشَمِّتَهُ، وَأَمَّا التَّثَاؤُبُ فَإِنَّمَا هُوَ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ، فَلْيَرُدَّهُ مَا اسْتَطَاعَ، فَإِذَا قَالَ‏:‏ هَاهْ، ضَحِكَ مِنْهُ الشَّيْطَانُ‏.‏
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) صـحـيـح (الألباني) حكم :
Reference : Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 919
In-book reference : Book 40, Hadith 1
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 919

BeigJawnson:


Mtcheeeew...

Answer this first... YOUR allah LOVES SNEEZING AND HATES YAWNING BECAUSE IT COMES FROM SHAYTAN? SO AS A MUSLIM YOU CANT YAWN? .... HOW? EXPLAIN THAT FIRST BEFORE LOOKING FOR CHURCH...

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Allah loves sneezing and hates yawning. When one of you sneezes and praises Allah Almighty, it is a duty for every Muslim who hears him to say to him, 'May Allah have mercy on you.' Yawning comes from Shaytan. When one of you yawns, he should control it as much as possible. When a man says, 'Aawh!,' Shaytan laughs at him."
حَدَّثَنَا آدَمُ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي ذِئْبٍ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ الْمَقْبُرِيُّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ‏:‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْعُطَاسَ، وَيَكْرَهُ التَّثَاؤُبَ، فَإِذَا عَطَسَ فَحَمِدَ اللَّهَ فَحَقٌّ عَلَى كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ سَمِعَهُ أَنْ يُشَمِّتَهُ، وَأَمَّا التَّثَاؤُبُ فَإِنَّمَا هُوَ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ، فَلْيَرُدَّهُ مَا اسْتَطَاعَ، فَإِذَا قَالَ‏:‏ هَاهْ، ضَحِكَ مِنْهُ الشَّيْطَانُ‏.‏
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) صـحـيـح (الألباني) حكم :
Reference : Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 919
In-book reference : Book 40, Hadith 1
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 919

is this story true or you just forge it ?

Kingsempires:
is this story true or you just forge it ?

Even the guy that called himself @AntiChristian can't deny that it is a fake story from the hadith...