Now I just thought I'd clarify this again, and Again for those who aren't familiar with history or don't want to do their research.
Here I will be talking about the whole Israel and Palestine issue. Please take your time to read.

Israel, the Jewish people, have always existed long before gaining independence, and archaeologists and DNA confirm this. The Roman Empire conquered Judea in 63 BCE, renaming it 'Palestine' to erase Jewish identity, causing most Jews and indigenous Israelites to flee, leaving a minority behind.

The so-called 'Palestinians' are mainly Arabs who migrated from other countries and settled in Israel. Renaming a territory doesn't make it yours; the Roman name change didn't change the fact that it's still Israel's land, just like an invaded land remains yours despite name changes or new populations, and Israel can always claim it back.

Coming to now. Here's a brief overview:

_1. The Roman Empire (63 BCE - 324 CE) _: The Roman Empire conquered Judea, and the region was renamed Syria Palaestina.

https://www.the-samaritans.net/roman-and-byzantine-period/

_2. Byzantine Empire (324 - 638 CE) _: The Byzantine Empire, also known as the Eastern Roman Empire, ruled the region, maintaining the name Syria Palaestina .

https://cojs.org/overview-_the_land_of_israel_during_the_byzantine_period_-324-638_ce/

_3. Arab Conquest (638 CE) _: The Arab Islamic conquest renamed the region Jund Filastin (Province of Palestine) .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_

_4. Ottoman Empire (1517 - 1917 CE) _: The Ottoman Empire ruled the region maintaining the name Palestine.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ottoman-rule-1517-1917

_5. British Mandate (1917 - 1948 CE) _: After World War I, the British Empire took control of the region, and in 1917, issued the Balfour Declaration, supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine(Israel).

https://uca.edu/politicalscience/home/research-projects/dadm-project/middle-eastnorth-africapersian-gulf-region/british-palestine-1917-1948/

_6. Zionist Movement ( Late 19th - Early 20th centuries) _: The Zionist movement, led by Jewish leaders like Theodor Herzl and David Ben-Gurion,advocated for a Jewish state in Palestine.

_7. United Nations Partition Plan (1947 CE : The UN proposed dividing Palestine(Israel, note they kept maintaining the occupation name) into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem under international control.

As you all know this was like the beginning of everything, where the Arab nation came together to fight against Israel, but were defeated (six days war), since then they've been crying about genocide whenever they attack Israel .

_8. Israeli Declaration of Independence (May 14, 1948 CE) _: David Ben-Gurion declared the establishment of the State of Israel, and the name was officially changed from Palestine to Israel .

_9. Arab-Israeli War (1948-1949 CE) _: The surrounding Arab states attacked Israel, but Israel emerged victorious, establishing its sovereignty .The name "Israel" was chosen to reconnect with the ancient Jewish kingdom of Israel, which existed long before all these

If you've managed to read all I wrote so far, I appreciate it and I expect constructive criticism/argument and those who object should explain to me how Palestine can be considered a genuine entity when, in fact, it is the land of Israel?

P.S: Pay attention to the bolded words!

Nlfpmod
Seun
mukina2
Justwise
Fergie001
nlfpmod

Conquered the land, conquered the land, whose lands?

God promised Abraham some lands according to some books, the questions are, is God a real estate agent to be sharing lands anyhow?

The promised land, was it an empty land or lands already occupied by others

Hmmm... reading

helinues:
Conquered the land, conquered the land, whose lands?

God promised Abraham some lands according to some book, the questions are, is God a real estate agent to be sharing lands anyhow?

The promised land, was it an empty lands or lands already occupied by others

I didn't mention any divine promises. You're introducing religious assumptions into our historical discussion, which is a separate debate altogether.

I simply expressed my opinion; feel free to counter it within the context of this thread.

But the Bible records that Israel even stole the land from the Cananites. So they can't claim to be the original owners or inhabitants of the said land.

Righteousness2:
There is nothing like palestine country.

The word " Palestine" was coined by jews and used by the Jews.

Israel as a state was a Greek gift by the West

Ezewuzie01:
But the Bible records that Israel even stole the land from the Cananites. So they can't claim to be the original owners or inhabitants of the said land.

Lol. You guys sure fancy religion.
The Canaanites did not constitute a unified nation, but more like a loose confederation of city-states and tribes. The Israelites were just one of several groups that inhabited the region, alongside the Philistines, Egyptians, and others. You get that?

The talk about 'original ownership' was a big issue in ancient Near Eastern history, where territories were constantly being disputed and empires rose and fell . You should also understand that the Israelites had a long presence in the region, we are talking centuries here, and their claim to the land, most of the time is not attributed solely to biblical narratives.

helinues:


Israel as a state was a Greek gift by the West

Do you have difficulty following this thread or do you simply prefer to stick to your own notions, which, frankly, don't add up?

I've already pointed out that Israel was under Roman occupation and other empires,nations before gaining independence, and they've always existed and maintained a continuous presence in the region for centuries though at some point they were a minority on their own land.

So, how on earth can you claim they were a gift from the West? It defies simple logic, chap!

Botragelad:

Do you have difficulty following this thread or do you simply prefer to stick to your own notions, which, frankly, don't add up?

I've already pointed out that Israel was under Roman occupation and other empires,nations before gaining independence, and they've always existed and maintained a continuous presence in the region for centuries though at some point they were a minority on their own land.

So, how on earth can you claim they were a gift from the West? It defies simple logic, chap!

Israel as a state. Take note of that

Botragelad:

I didn't mention any divine promises. You're introducing religious assumptions into our historical discussion, which is a separate debate altogether.

I simply expressed my opinion; feel free to counter it within the context of this thread.

You can't discuss the Israel Palestine issue without referring back to the promised land.. That's the genesis of the problem

helinues:


You can't discuss the Israel Palestine issue without referring back to the promised land.. That's the genesis of the problem

You are really not making any point here. No where in my post did I make reference to biblical promise about land. Where did you get yours from?
It's akin to saying that the entirety of British history can be boiled down to the Norman Conquest. Poppycock!

Now, take, for example, the 1993 Oslo Accords. Israel and the PLO negotiated a framework for peace, recognizing each other's right to exist. The agreement had nothing to do with the 'Promised Land'. Right or wrong?

Now, the so called Palestinian leadership's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist, their incitement to violence, and their rejection of reasonable peace offers (e.g., the 2000 Camp David Summit) proves your statement wrong.
Again, where are you getting your promised Land talk from? 🤷‍♂️

helinues:


Israel as a state. Take note of that

And does that change the fact that the land of Israel has always existed? Don't you know what an independence means?
Isn't that the point of this thread(Israel's history)?
Now, the Jewish people have/had a continuous, documented presence in the Land of Israel for over thousand of years.

What we call the Zionist movement, which advocated for Jewish self-determination, emerged in the late 19th century, long before Western powers became involved. So how's the state of Israel a gift?🤷‍♂️
Even during centuries of foreign rule (Roman, Ottoman, British), Jewish communities remained in the Land.

Botragelad:

And does that change the fact that the land of Israel has always existed? Don't you know what an independence means?
Isn't that the point of this thread(Israel's history)?
Now, the Jewish people have/had a continuous, documented presence in the Land of Israel for over thousand of years.

What we call the Zionist movement, which advocated for Jewish self-determination, emerged in the late 19th century, long before Western powers became involved. So how's the state of Israel a gift?🤷‍♂️
Even during centuries of foreign rule (Roman, Ottoman, British), Jewish communities remained in the Land.

You are struggling with your own words

Botragelad:

You are really not making any point here. No where in my post did I make reference to biblical promise about land. Where did you get yours from?
It's akin to saying that the entirety of British history can be boiled down to the Norman Conquest. Poppycock!

Now, take, for example, the 1993 Oslo Accords. Israel and the PLO negotiated a framework for peace, recognizing each other's right to exist. The agreement had nothing to do with the 'Promised Land'. Right or wrong?

Now, the so called Palestinian leadership's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist, their incitement to violence, and their rejection of reasonable peace offers (e.g., the 2000 Camp David Summit) proves your statement wrong.
Again, where are you getting your promised Land talk from? 🤷‍♂️

Because your narration is half baked information

helinues:


You are struggling with your own words

Despite my explanations, you still managed to come up empty-handed, didn't you? Another futile attempt on your end to fulfill whatever misguided mission you've set for yourself.

Here's a suggestion, do some basic research on your own free time!

helinues:


Because your narration is half baked information

According to you. Prove it is.
Your choice to stick to whatever was spoon fed to you. Lol

Israel as a country , location or whatsoever ceased to exist around 40 to 60 AD

Israel then was not made up of Jews.

Modern day Israel is more about Zionism and America having a foothold in the middle east

Botragelad:

Despite my explanations, you still managed to come up empty-handed, didn't you? Another futile attempt on your end to fulfill whatever misguided mission you've set for yourself.

Here's a suggestion, do some basic research on your own free time!

Your first write up already suggested you don't have the full details about this discussion.

You see the , Israelites were doing just fine in their little territory until the temptations of the promised land came to their minds. They were initially succeeded in conquering some lands for decades if not century until the oppressors pushed back and sent the Israel/Jewish even away from their little tiny initial land.

They were scattered across the world due to that. They are actually successful when it comes to business, so their rich people who are now in foreign land funded the world war 2 and also give strategies for the west on how to win the war.

The tactics worked, the money influenced worked and after the war, the west deliberate to let the Jewish scattered across the world to have their own state ( nation).

helinues:


Your first write up already suggested you don't have the full details about this discussion.

You see the , Israelites were doing just fine in their little territory until the temptations of the promised land came to their minds. They were initially succeeded in conquering some lands for decades of not century until the oppressors pushed back and sent the Israel/Jewish even away from their little tiny initial land.

They were scattered across the world sue to that. They are actually successful when it comes to business, so their rich people who are now in foreign land funded the world war 2 and also give strategies for the west on how to win the war.

The tactics worked, the money influence worked and after the war, the west deliberate to let the Jewish scattered across the world to have their own state ( nation).

Oga talk the one you know

Funded which war

Proudlyngwa:

Oga talk the one you know

Funded which war

Read my epistle slowly this time around

The likes of Roosevelt was inspired by the successful early Jewish.

Botragelad:
Now I just thought I'd clarify this again, and Again for those who aren't familiar with history or don't want to do their research.
Here I will be talking about the whole Israel and Palestine issue. Please take your time to read.

Israel, the Jewish people, have always existed long before gaining independence, and archaeologists and DNA confirm this. The Roman Empire conquered Judea in 63 BCE, renaming it 'Palestine' to erase Jewish identity, causing most Jews and indigenous Israelites to flee, leaving a minority behind.

The so-called 'Palestinians' are mainly Arabs who migrated from other countries and settled in Israel. Renaming a territory doesn't make it yours; the Roman name change didn't change the fact that it's still Israel's land, just like an invaded land remains yours despite name changes or new populations, and Israel can always claim it back.

Coming to now. Here's a brief overview:



P.S: Pay attention to the bolded words!

Nlfpmod
Seun
mukina2
Justwise
Fergie001
nlfpmod

Na so, owners indeed a 100 years ago, same oyibo man talk say na them get South Africa.

All their oyibo brothers for Europe & America supported them in their apartheid control back then of Rhodesia now Zimbabwe, & South Africa, like they are supporting their imperialist brothers today in Palestine.

Benjamin Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon & Co, Oyibo Men na from Middle East abi?

helinues:


Read my epistle slowly this time around

The likes of Roosevelt was inspired by the successful early Jewish.

They did not fund any war

helinues:


Your first write up already suggested you don't have the full details about this discussion.

You see the , Israelites were doing just fine in their little territory until the temptations of the promised land came to their minds. They were initially succeeded in conquering some lands for decades of not century until the oppressors pushed back and sent the Israel/Jewish even away from their little tiny initial land.

They were scattered across the world sue to that. They are actually successful when it comes to business, so their rich people who are now in foreign land funded the world war 2 and also give strategies for the west on how to win the war.

The tactics worked, the money influence worked and after the war, the west deliberate to let the Jewish scattered across the world to have their own state ( nation).

You are 100% correct, this guy you are a very intelligent person, the Reno Omokri of Nairaland, the tormentor of the Atikulated Obidients.

Proudlyngwa:



They did not fund any war

I said the successful elites amongst them. They were influential to have convinced the west of giving them their own state.

Proudlyngwa:



They did not fund any war

Adolf Hitler’s mother was a Jew, & he tried his best to exterminate them 1939-45.

Na Adolphous know wetin em see for house growing up.

favor914:
Adolf Hitler’s mother was a Jew, & he tried his best to exterminate them.

Do you know what funding a war is


Abi you think it's supporting with a couple of dollars here and there.

Proudlyngwa:


Do you know what funding a war is


Abi you think it's supporting with a couple of dollars here and there.

Did I mention funding of war?

favor914:
You are 100% correct, this guy you are a very intelligent person, the Reno Omokri of Nairaland, the tormentor of the Atikulated Obidients.

The current place the Jewish( Israelites) are might be part of their old own land, but the extension was a gift

helinues:


I said the successful elites amongst them. They were influential to have convinced the west of giving them their own state.

Guy no dey banter with that proudlyngwa, a person oblivious to the facts is a waste of your time.

Botragelad:

Now, take, for example, the 1993 Oslo Accords. Israel and the PLO negotiated a framework for peace, recognizing each other's right to exist. The agreement had nothing to do with the 'Promised Land'. Right or wrong?

Now, the so called Palestinian leadership's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist, their incitement to violence, and their rejection of reasonable peace offers (e.g., the 2000 Camp David Summit) proves your statement wrong.
Again, where are you getting your promised Land talk from? 🤷‍♂️

I tried to ignore this but it's not okay to ignore disinformation or misinformation. The least we can do is try to help you understand your inherent biases.

You clearly sound like you've read a good number of historical narratives, which is very commendable. However in research like this, you can work your way to any answer you desire if you keep throwing narrations and explanations... at least till you convince yourself that the answer you wanted has been arrived at.

It's just like claiming Igbos are descendants of Jews, or claiming Yorubas migrated from Mecca.

Some questions
1. Did extremist Jews kill their prime minister for having the guts to sign the Oslo Accords?

2. Did political violence influence the decisions or state policy of successive Jewish PMs after this?

3. Why has the Jewish State since the death of Rabin, refused to recognize or agree in a matter of treaty (at the very least), the existence or right to exist of a Palestinian State? (This responsibility rests in the hands of the occupier, colonizer or more powerful adversary, in this case Israel).

You should get a clearer picture if you attempt to investigate the answers to these questions.

helinues:


I said the successful elites amongst them. They were influential to have convinced the west of giving them their own state.

Nope you said the funded the war


Extermination of over 6 million Jews and persecution in many parts of the worldled to the idea of a state for Jews,

British occupied Palestine was the only viable place and with funding from the US they were shipped to Present day Israel , without the consent of the current occupiers of the land and given settlements, They continued expanding and till today, there has been crisis in that region.