jaephoenix:

Interactions with any sense of sight, smell, hearing etc.
If you claim your god is invisible, then how did u know it existed in the first place?

Is that all?

jaephoenix:

Does saying human existence is by change equate to saying the existence has no meaning? Think

You agree your existence is not a meaningful or purposeful phenomenon?

MaxInDHouse:


You never made any investigation nah so leave matter for Matthias!

You who made all the investigations and still turned up empty without a single shred of proof. An unfunny joke.

Lucifyre:

You who made all the investigations and still turned up empty without a single shred of proof. An unfunny joke.

All what you want is for God to appear to you in person but that's not the result intelligent people are seeking.

People often do autopsy on the carcass of the dead to ASCERTAIN what happened when nobody is there to see and through the autopsy they are able to know exactly what happened.

So if you're not ready for thorough investigation apart from insisting on seeing God it's OK others are still on the investigation!

Meanwhile you've not spoken about the God you believe or worship!

Lucifyre:

I'm not even an atheist.

StillDtruth:


Now, you have moved post for you inferred that God should not feel lke we do, which is proven by the fact that you are eve mad or enough to think that one should have one type of emotion and not another eg one should have love and not hate? Or one should have happiness and not anger?

You mean when you get to your fairytale heaven in the sky, you all will still get angry, jealous, mad etc.

Men, you are mad!

The fact is your God is just a big human in the sky with zero emotional intelligence.

Secondly, see hollywood brainwashing at work. You have never lived with a budhist , hindu monk to know whether he is truly beyond human emotions and expressions, yet you accepted hollywood fabrications.

I don't have to live with a monk to know that the brain can be rewired or reprogrammed to produce less and less of these negative emotions, that's what emotionally intelligence is all about.

And thirdly, no man has been more patient and longsuffering and enduring as God has been. Even now is He enduring for if i.were God, you and all your yous would have been in hellfire rigbt now. But here He is still enduring your insalts.

He go endure tire, he never see anything no be him want creatures with freewill? He should be ready to endure with comes with that.

O Lord come and avenge Thyself!

You go cry tire, your God wouldn't hear because what doesn't exist cannot hear or do nothing

MaxInDHouse:


All what you want is for God to appear to you in person but that's not the result intelligent people are seeking.

People often do autopsy on the carcass of the dead to ASCERTAIN what happened when nobody is there to see and through the autopsy they are able to know exactly what happened.

So if you're not ready for thorough investigation apart from insisting on seeing God it's OK others are still on the investigation!

Meanwhile you've not spoken about the God you believe or worship!

The irony of mentioning intelligence in the same sentence as religion 😄. Would knowing the god i believe in make you stop spouting half baked analogies or bring you any closer to empirical proof of your narcissist of a god?! All these nairaland kids in adult bodies pretending to be grown up men, imagine digging into my profile for ammo lol, age is truly just a number. For your half baked analogy, you forget empirical proof is required during the autopsy to establish objective circumstances of death or you didn't reason that far. With your 40,000 plus and counting denominations, where's the objective conclusion after all the investigations? You guys and your unfunny joke.

MaxInDHouse:


Are you still provoked because we are having a discussion?
Please try to be calm and liberal at least since you have your own mind and sure that what is written in that book has no hold on you so try to be cool.

OK what exactly do you think we can use as an evidence to prove the existence of an invisible force?

I hope you know the fact that you can prove the existence of invisible forces doesn't automatically prove the existence of your own version of God.

Moreover, if we don't introduce God before accepting physical forces why can't we accept these invisible forces without introducing God?

MaxInDHouse:


I really appreciate your honesty.

That's why i always quote that verse whenever i come in contact with anyone who claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% certain that most people don't really do a thorough investigation they just summed up after hearing some things from different sects claiming Christians and base their conclusion on what those people say.

The Bible God is the one and only true God but since you don't want to investigate further let me tell you how i come to that conclusion.

All humans were born atheists as in we don't know nor believe in any God at birth that's why the Bible said the child in his mother's womb is also a sinner {Psalms 51:5} so it's after we begin to grow up that each person starts to make his or her INVESTIGATIONS on:
• How did life begin?
• Why do innocent people suffer?
• Did God really care about us?
• If He does what is He doing to solve our problems?
• If everyone wants peace why wars everywhere?
• What is God's viewpoint of wars?

Whoever hasn't made INVESTIGATIONS on this topics is just deceiving himself!

Does the investigation always lead to the biblical God? I mean if my investigation lead me to another version of God is that "investigation" valid?

Lucifyre:

With your 40,000 plus and counting denominations, where's the objective conclusion after all the investigations?

Good question!

This is what the Bible says:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

With the above prophecy a global family of peace loving worshipers has emerged in our day a proof that the Bible God is alive as His words comes true.
Today out of all the religions claiming they know God on planet earth one organization has successfully stopped all it's members from thinking about fighting and killing their neighbors but always going to visit them and pleading for global peace.

With that the Bible God has been vindicated!

justlove91:

Does the investigation always lead to the biblical God? I mean if my investigation lead me to another version of God is that "investigation" valid?

Present any God that has given you answers to those questions first because the Bible God has answered all those questions!

MaxInDHouse:


Present any God that has given you answers to those questions first because the Bible God has answered all those questions!

I don't concern myself with those questions. I'm more concerned about these two questions.
1. Is there life after death?.
2. If yes, what is the conditions of life over there.

And Spiritism/Mediumship answered these questions to my satisfaction.

justlove91:

I don't concern myself with those questions. I'm more concerned about these two questions.
1. Is there life after death?.
2. If yes, what is the conditions of life over there.
And Spiritism/Mediumship answered these questions to my satisfaction.

Well i'm not interested in questions about afterlife because it's the dead that can think of what they are facing if there is anything on the other side but here i'm facing a situation that i need to know how i can cope and use my time wisely to get the best out of it.

So i don't care about what happens after death i leave that for the dead i am still alive in the midst of the living!

MaxInDHouse:


Well i'm not interested in questions about afterlife because it's the dead that can think of what they are facing if there is anything on the other side but here i'm facing a situation that i need to know how i can cope and use my time wisely to get the best out of it.

So i don't care about what happens after death i leave that for the dead i am still alive in the midst of the living!

I already have enough ideas or material to cope with life, such as Buddhist profound realization of how the human tendencies to crave what we want/like and resist what we don't want/like create much of our emotional suffering, stoicism teachings of achieving the state of ataraxia (inner peace), different skills on emotional intelligence.

So, as you can see, I got this life that's why I'm more concerned about whether there is anything else after this, whether death is a full stop or the beginning of a new chapter.

justlove91:

I already have enough ideas or material to cope with life, such as Buddhist profound realization of how craving and resisting life creates much of our emotional suffering, stoicism teachings of achieving the state of ataraxia (inner peace), different skills on emotional intelligence.
So, as you can see, I got this life that's why I'm more concerned about whether there is anything else after this, whether death is a full stop or the beginning of a new chapter.

Good for you but here i'm discussing with ATHEISTS who doesn't believe in anything called after life that's why it's important to focus on what concerns them and myself as we are still here together among the LIVING!

MaxInDHouse:


Good for you but here i'm discussing with ATHEISTS who doesn't believe in anything called after life that's why it's important to focus on what concerns them and myself as we are still here together among the LIVING!

You still haven't answered my question though.
If someone else's investigation lead him to belief in another version of God, is his investigation invalid since it did not lead him to your version of God?

justlove91:

You still haven't answered my question though.
If someone else's investigation lead him to belief in another version of God, is his investigation invalid since it did not lead him to your version of God?

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if any investigation can't unite people to live as brothers and sisters under the control of the same God then such investigation is worthless.

If your God can't help you relate with people from different geographical locations on this planet as your family in the spirit then your God is dead!

The true God is the Creator of all so He must be able to fish out people from all races even though they may be small in number but at least in every country i go to there must be people living there who are my brothers and sisters in the faith.

That's what a real God should do not just one that makes you deluded with false reasoning while you can't relate with people in other places!

MaxInDHouse:


The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if any investigation can't unite people to live as brothers and sisters under the control of the same God then such investigation is worthless.

If your God can't help you relate with people from different geographical locations on this planet as your family in the spirit then your God is dead!

The true God is the Creator of all so He must be able to fish out people from all races even though they may be small in number but at least in every country i go to there must be people living there who are my brothers and sisters in the faith.

That's what a real God should do not just one that makes you deluded with false reasoning while you can't relate with people in other places!

The fact that a group of people can unite as one under the same belief system only shows that the individuals in the group take the ideology of the group seriously thereby creating a sort of brotherly atmosphere among them, it doesn't mean a supreme agent is involved.

For example, there was this cultist guy in my hostel back in Uni, he always takes pride in the fact that he can visit any university in Nigeria and he will not go hungry or without shelter even without knowing anyone, all he has to do is find his cult members in the Uni, identify himself (that is, convince them he is a member) and he is sure to get all the help and support he needs.

MaxInDHouse:


Good question!

This is what the Bible says:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

With the above prophecy a global family of peace loving worshipers has emerged in our day a proof that the Bible God is alive as His words comes true.
Today out of all the religions claiming they know God on planet earth one organization has successfully stopped all it's members from thinking about fighting and killing their neighbors but always going to visit them and pleading for global peace.

With that the Bible God has been vindicated!

Lots of empty dross dressed as words, still no proof. At least we've moved passed using half baked analogies😁. Now we've moved to mumbo jumbo from a book that contradicts itself at every turn, while still failing to provide proof for any claim. I don't care for your book of contradictions or whatever it says, when you guys who read it can't come to any objective conclusion and would never ergo remaining a joke. A⁺ for circular reasoning though. Your book of contradictions is the claim, not the proof, something you xtains can't get into your heads for some funny reason.

justlove91:

The fact that a group of people can unite as one under the same belief system only shows that the individuals in the group take the ideology of the group seriously thereby creating a sort of brotherly atmosphere among them, it doesn't mean a supreme agent is involved.
For example, there was this cultist guy in my hostel back in Uni, he always takes pride in the fact that he can visit any university in Nigeria and he will not go hungry or without shelter even without knowing anyone, all he has to do is find his cult members in the Uni, identify himself (that is, convince them he is a member) and he is sure to get all the help and support he needs.

That's true because supernatural forces are involved but it can only work within a geographical location unlike when the Creator of all things is involved His own worshipers will do better than that because their own will be global! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Lucifyre:

Lots of empty dross dressed as words, still no proof. At least we've moved passed using half baked analogies😁. Now we've moved to mumbo jumbo from a book that contradicts itself at every turn, while still failing to provide proof for any claim. I don't care for your book of contradictions or whatever it says, when you guys who read it can't come to any objective conclusion and would never ergo remaining a joke. A⁺ for circular reasoning though. Your book of contradictions is the claim, not the proof, something you xtains can't get into your heads for some funny reason.

No investigation! Psalms 10:4

You just conclude that all religionists claiming Christian are Christians when you are too lazy to INVESTIGATE, yet you want intelligent people to take you seriously.

Go and figure out what Christians mean first before coming to argue on what totally eludes your perception!

MaxInDHouse:


That's true because supernatural forces are involved but it can only work within a geographical location unlike when the Creator of all things is involved His own worshipers will do better than that because their own will be global! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Instead of supernatural forces I will say psychological forces.

Now you're playing the number game my friend, if it can happen locally it can equally happen globally. Imagine if the guy's cult spread to all universities in the world, he will enjoy the same privilege but now globally.

Wainey:
point3 God was supposed to be all merciful but this same God actually prepared a place (hell) where he could torture people, who don't believe in him, why on his name didn't he just destroy Adam and eve after they became wise and create another mindless cockroach-like creatures where he can control them as he please. I know people will say he wants us to have free-will, but creating the worst fate imaginable for us just because we don't believe in him doesn't sound like free will to me. I think he is a narcissistic being. While those who believe in him will be saved? This brings me to my next point.

point4 what is he saving us from?... Himself? Saving us from what he will do to us if we don't do as he pleases?
It's like an armed robber telling you, give me ur money so I won't have to kill you. Motherf***ker, I will have my money and my life if you were not here in the first place. What's the bullshit about saving me?

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Do you not err to your own detriment?? If you taste and see as many have throughout history will you not then see that the Lord GOD IS good? "But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them." - 2 Corinthians 4:3-5

“Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’? - Isaiah 45:9

"Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand." - Deuteronomy 32:39

"The Lord is righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works." - Psalm 145:17

justlove91:

Instead of supernatural forces I will say psychological forces.
Now you're playing the number game my friend, if it can happen locally it can equally happen globally. Imagine if the guy's cult spread to all universities in the world, he will enjoy the same privilege but now globally.

It's not about number but the spirit of oneness, in the post you first quoted i made it clear that they may be relatively few but the effect of their presence will be noticeable globally and to crown it all they will not be involved in the destructive activities claiming lives! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

You've not said anything yet about your own god o!

U guys are all boring

Aswear

MaxInDHouse:


No investigation! Psalms 10:4

You just conclude that all religionists claiming Christian are Christians when you are too lazy to INVESTIGATE, yet you want intelligent peoples to take you seriously.

Go and figure out what Christians mean first before coming to argue on what totally eludes your perception!

Ah yes! Now we move onto the always amusing bs "no true scottsman" fallacy. So many subjective claims and tangents, so little proof or common sense. Of course you just happen to know the true xtains, the rest are doing it wrong. According to the other 43,ooo they are right, the rest are doing it wrong, everyone's subjective conclusion is right the rest are wrong and are going to burn for picking the wrong version. You then mention intelligence near this absolute clownfest, irony of ironies 😂.

Wait! let me guess, I'm supposed to use your own version of the book of contradictions to find the true christains. And these true christains just happen to have a similar m.o to literal cults and somehow happen to shield rapists, child abusers and other sexual deviants, right?! Those are the true christains, right?! Lol! You've got no single shred proof and you know it, hence the numerous empty claims and tangents. Where are we tangenting to now after no true scottsman? What claim devoid of evidence is next😁

Lucifyre:

Ah yes! Now we move onto the always amusing bs "no true scottsman" fallacy. So many subjective claims and tangents, so little proof or common sense. Of course you just happen to know the true xtains, the rest are doing it wrong. According to the other 43,ooo they are right, the rest are doing it wrong, everyone's subjective conclusion is right the rest are wrong and are going to burn for picking the wrong version. You then mention intelligence near this absolute clownfest, irony of ironies 😂.
Wait! let me guess, I'm supposed to use your own version of the book of contradictions to find the true christains. And these true christains just happen to have a similar m.o to literal cults and somehow happen to shield rapists, child abusers and other sexual deviants, right?! Those are the true christains, right?! Lol! You've got no single shred proof and you know it, hence the numerous empty claims and tangents. Where are we tangenting to now after no true scottsman? What claim devoid of evidence is next😁

To you any gathering of worshipers singing, dancing, shouting, praying and worshiping in Jesus name are Christians shey?

Well i don pass your level because na so me self dey think before my investigation so chill my guy you don't know what it means to be a Christian!

MaxInDHouse:

It's about number but the spirit of oneness, in the post you first quoted i made it clear that they may be relatively few but the effect of their presence will be noticeable globally and to crown it all they will not be involved in the destructive activities claiming lives! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

You've not said anything yet about your own god o!

I only mentioned the cult guy's case to show you that unity can occur with any belief system(for good or bad), the only criterion is that the individuals in the group take the group's ideology serious and live by it.

You've not said anything yet about your own god o!

I don't believe in a God because

1. I can't wrap my head around the idea of an all powerful and all knowing being just existing without any gradual progression, he is just always as been perfect and complete. Don't you find it strange that his attributes are always at the extreme end? He is not only powerful he is all powerful, he doesn't just know some stuff he is all knowing. It seems to me that the probability of such a being just existing without any prior progression is extremely low.

But I believe in Gods, what are Gods?
We were made to know that there are numerous planes of existence in the other side ranging from the darkest to the highest brightest plane. I call those beings occupying the highest plane Gods (or the shining ones) because they're the highest beings in existence.
But these Gods has not always been like that, they all got to their high state through gradual progress over eons of time.

2. Ultimately ones belief or disbelief in God will not determine the plane one finds himself after his transition but ones character and how one lived his life here. (Sowing and reaping).

So I don't bother myself with God's existence, maybe there is a God maybe not, I don't know.

MaxInDHouse:


To you any gathering of worshipers singing, dancing, shouting, praying and worshiping in Jesus name are Christians shey?

Well i don pass your level because na so me self dey think before my investigation so chill my guy you don't know what it means to be a Christian!

🥱 More noise, still no proof in sight.

justlove91:

I only mentioned the cult guy's case to show you that unity can occur with any belief system(for good or bad), the only criterion is that the individuals in the group take the group's ideology serious and live by it.[/b]
I agree with you that supernatural beings are behind unity intelligent creatures don't just agree on something and start working towards it without the involvement of some spirit forces!
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So I don't bother myself with God's existence, maybe there is a God maybe not, I don't know.

The problem you have is assuming intelligent creatures can think and act in harmony with the same line of thought without spirit forces involved.
So we differ in that i believe that whenever people think alike and act in harmony with the belief there is a spirit force behind it.

Lucifyre:

🥱 More noise, still no proof in sight.

Ọmọ keep on waiting for proof billions out there are still investigating and some have found GOD!

NeoWanZaeed:



Exactly.... Attention seeking he is

Why are you pained? Go on with your allah, no one gives a Bleep bro.

Wainey:
And those of you who preach with megaphones aren't seeking attention.
Instead of you to productively counter my points so we could all learn, unlearn and relearn.
You end it with calling me attention seeking. No issue, I expected this cos ur God didn't give you christians enough points to proof of his existence.

Those guys have no brain to counter your erudite observations. Most are victims of vicious religious indoctrination/brainwashing from birth and are too lazy or weak minded to critically introspect on what they have been fed.