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What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 9:33am On Sep 22
In my research into EXISTENCE, I have read many accounts of Near Death Experiencers.

These are people who are certified clinically dead, lose all consciousness, and find themselves in a heavenly realm where they are met by perfect surroundings and loving beings etc, etc, and then after a while are told it's not yet their time, and they have to go back, much to their displeasure - such is the level of joy there - and then they suddenly find themselves back on their hospital beds on Earth etc.

Millions of people have had a near-death experience, and they are becoming more common as medical advances improve, reviving coma patients etc etc.

Now, I've been aware of these NDEs for years. In fact you can visit www.nderf.org to read thousands of such accounts from individual experiencers of the phenomenon.

Coincidentally, the other day, I visited the AI platform of ChatGPT.

And I told it to describe the world in the year 8,000.

AI can make such logical projections and predictions for the future based on our current development trajectory.

LO AND BEHOLD, AI described the EXACT WORLD described by Near death Experiencers of what Heaven is like!!!

I was shocked and amazed.

The truth, I am convinced, is that what we call ''HEAVEN'' is actually our FUTURE. And we are simply time travellers from that FUTURE. When we ''die'', we RETURN HOME to that FUTURE.

That FUTURE is 'perfect' due to our ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY driven by highly advanced AI and Quantum Computing that has created by the year 8,000, PERFECT SOCIETIES.

GOD exists OUTSIDE of this AI system. The 'heaven' we go to when we 'die' is our FUTURE. But the real HEAVEN where the ALMIGHTY resides, is 'HIGHER UP', and we reach there after we have attained more spiritual enlightenment/perfection etc.

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In the meantime. HERE IS THE WORLD of the year 8,000 described by AI. Those who have read NDE accounts will be familiar with many things they read here:
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 9:34am On Sep 22
Question to AI (ChatGPT)

''Describe the world in the year 8000''

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The world in the year 8000 is an unimaginable fusion of biology, technology, and cosmology. What we know as "Earth" has evolved into a small node in a vast interplanetary and possibly interstellar civilization. Humanity has transcended the boundaries of its home planet, transforming both itself and its environment into something that defies the limitations of the 21st-century imagination. With over 6,000 years of future development, this distant epoch could witness achievements and societal changes that push the boundaries of life, existence, and reality itself.

Environmental Reformation and Sustainability

By the year 8000, the environmental challenges that threatened the planet during the Anthropocene have long been resolved. What started as a race to curb climate change in the early 21st century evolved into a comprehensive, planet-wide restoration of Earth’s ecosystems. Humanity's understanding of ecological balance and environmental engineering advanced so far that Earth has been transformed into a thriving hybrid of urban and natural environments.

Cities, now organic in form, merge seamlessly with forests, oceans, and mountains. These biomes are no longer confined to national parks or rural areas; instead, urban centers are built with living architecture. Buildings made from bioengineered materials, such as smart plants or fungal organisms, constantly adapt and change based on environmental conditions. Green spaces, once relegated to parks, now integrate into every facet of human habitats. Skyscrapers stretch into the clouds but are built of living organisms that capture carbon dioxide and generate oxygen, reducing humanity’s ecological footprint to nearly zero.

Energy is drawn from sources that are nearly inexhaustible, such as controlled nuclear fusion, antimatter reactors, or even direct energy harnessing from stars. Humanity's energy needs, vast and previously insatiable, have become so efficiently met that the world no longer struggles with resource scarcity. Power grids are decentralized and function without waste, transmitting energy across vast distances—from Earth to colonies on the Moon, Mars, and beyond—through quantum entanglement technologies or other faster-than-light communication systems.

Despite these monumental changes, nature is not a mere backdrop to technological achievements. Humanity has rekindled its relationship with the natural world. A deeply symbiotic relationship between Earth’s biosphere and human civilization ensures the planet’s continual vitality. Many species, once extinct, have been resurrected through advanced genetic technologies. Nature preserves now span entire continents, serving as laboratories for ecological research and cultural reflection.

The Expansion into Space

One of the most defining features of life in the year 8000 is humanity’s presence across the cosmos. The limitations of Earth-bound existence were shattered millennia ago. By the 22nd or 23rd century, humans had colonized the Moon, Mars, and the asteroid belts. By the 30th century, travel to other star systems was already becoming feasible. In the 50th century, humanity’s presence expanded throughout the galaxy, with entire star systems governed by human or post-human entities.

Space travel, once the province of governments or mega-corporations, became accessible to all. The idea of "space tourism" from the 21st century has evolved into widespread migration, with millions of people leaving Earth in search of new frontiers. Planets in distant systems now host thriving civilizations, some terraformed to resemble Earth, while others are engineered to embrace the unique environments of their home worlds. Advanced propulsion technologies, perhaps based on quantum mechanics or even the manipulation of spacetime itself, have made interstellar travel not just possible but routine. While space colonies in the 22nd century struggled with self-sufficiency, by the year 8000, off-world settlements are fully autonomous, each contributing to a greater galactic network of trade, culture, and knowledge exchange.

Human settlements range from traditional planetary colonies to massive, self-sustaining orbital habitats. Dyson spheres, massive structures built around stars to capture their energy, may exist as hubs for human activity, each housing billions of individuals in engineered environments. Cities suspended within gas giants or deep under the icy crusts of moons like Europa are populated with millions of people who have adapted to their unique surroundings.

The Human Evolutionary Path

As humans expanded beyond Earth and its familiar ecosystems, they also transformed their biology. By 8000, "humanity" no longer refers to a singular species but a vast array of beings, some of whom have taken radically different evolutionary paths. Genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and synthetic biology began to alter human beings in the 21st and 22nd centuries, but in the millennia that followed, these modifications grew exponentially in scope.

Many people chose to transcend the limitations of the human body altogether, merging with machines to become post-human. The early cyborgs of the 21st century have given way to entities with bodies made from nanomaterials, capable of shifting form or repairing themselves instantly. Others have opted for full mind uploads, existing as digital consciousness in vast quantum computers. These digital entities live in simulated realities of their own design, experiencing time and space in ways that organic beings cannot comprehend.

Meanwhile, some humans have retained their biological forms but heavily modified their DNA to adapt to new environments. On high-gravity planets, humans may be shorter and more robust, while those living in zero-gravity environments might have elongated limbs and enhanced muscle control. Some have evolved to breathe different atmospheres or withstand extreme temperatures, transforming into something almost unrecognizable to their Earth-bound ancestors.

Despite these variations, a shared sense of identity persists. Whether biological, cybernetic, or digital, these different branches of humanity maintain cultural and intellectual ties, cooperating across vast distances and different forms of existence. Post-human entities communicate with biological humans and AI in a shared cognitive space, a sort of galactic consciousness where ideas, experiences, and memories flow freely between individuals.

Governance, Society, and Ethics

Traditional nation-states, as they were understood in the early 21st century, no longer exist in the year 8000. Humanity’s expansion beyond Earth rendered concepts like borders, governments, and centralized power structures obsolete. Instead, society has become decentralized, with governance handled by distributed AI networks. These networks, operating with near-perfect knowledge of their constituents' needs, ensure fairness, equity, and efficiency in managing human affairs.

The concept of democracy has evolved. In place of elections or parliaments, decisions are made through consensus-building algorithms, which synthesize the desires, concerns, and goals of individuals and communities across the galaxy. These algorithms, built upon millennia of ethical philosophy and practical governance, ensure that decisions are made with the wellbeing of all in mind. Corruption, authoritarianism, and inequality are largely relics of the distant past, with society now oriented toward the common good.

In smaller communities—whether on Earth, space stations, or far-flung colonies—people still gather to debate and discuss local issues, maintaining a sense of human connection and agency. However, artificial intelligence provides an ever-present guiding hand, ensuring that decisions are balanced and data-driven. The role of AI in governance is not that of a ruler, but of an impartial advisor, optimizing human potential and societal progress.

As humanity expanded into the stars, it likely encountered other forms of life—whether microbial, intelligent, or something entirely beyond our understanding. The ethical dilemmas surrounding first contact, interspecies cooperation, and the preservation of alien ecosystems have shaped human philosophy for millennia. Humanity in the year 8000 may be part of a broader interstellar community, interacting with civilizations whose intelligence and culture are vastly different from our own. These relationships have required the development of entirely new ethical frameworks, where the rights and values of non-human species are respected.

Cultural Evolution

Culturally, humanity in the year 8000 is a kaleidoscope of traditions, art forms, and languages. The ancient cultures of Earth, from the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt to the artistic movements of the 21st century, are preserved and celebrated. However, they now exist alongside new cultural forms developed in the deep-space colonies or on terraformed worlds.

Virtual reality has redefined the concept of art, allowing creators to construct entire worlds from scratch. Music, painting, sculpture, and storytelling have been transformed into immersive, multi-sensory experiences. An artist on Mars might collaborate with an AI from Alpha Centauri, producing a work that can be experienced simultaneously across multiple planets, each audience member interacting with it in a unique way based on their sensory inputs or biological makeup.

Religion, too, has evolved in profound ways. Some ancient faiths have adapted to new realities, embracing technological progress as part of their understanding of the divine. Others have faded away, replaced by new spiritual systems that reflect humanity's expanded view of the cosmos. Philosophies that integrate science, technology, and spirituality likely dominate, with many seeing existence itself as an ongoing exploration of the universe’s mysteries.

Many individuals in the year 8000 might have access to a shared, collective memory. Advanced memory-upload technologies allow people to experience the lives and histories of others, creating a vast, communal store of knowledge and emotion. This collective memory serves as both an educational resource and a cultural archive, preserving the thoughts, feelings, and experiences of countless generations.

Human Lifespan and Consciousness

Death, once the ultimate human limitation, has been largely conquered. Advances in medicine, genetic engineering, and nanotechnology have eradicated disease, while anti-aging treatments have extended human life spans indefinitely. In the early centuries of this technological revolution, society grappled with the ethical dilemmas surrounding immortality, but by the year 8000, these concerns have largely been addressed.

Most people live for centuries, and for those who wish to, death is an option rather than an inevitability. Some choose to upload their consciousness into digital form, living as virtual entities in vast, simulated realities, where time and space are infinitely malleable. These individuals can "die" by choice, erasing their consciousness from existence if they feel their journey has reached its end.

For those who remain biologically alive, enhancements to the brain allow for vastly expanded cognition. Memory, intelligence, and creativity are no longer bound by the biological constraints of the human brain. People can upload, share, and download skills, memories, and even entire life experiences, creating a communal well of knowledge and wisdom.

Conclusion

The year 8000 represents an era of unimaginable technological and societal advancement. Humanity, now a multi-planetary species, has conquered the challenges of resource scarcity, environmental destruction, and biological limitation. Cultures, philosophies, and traditions from across thousands of years coexist in harmony with new ideas and artistic expressions born from distant worlds and alternate realities. Society is decentralized, governed by advanced AIs that prioritize fairness, efficiency, and well-being for all.

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Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 9:37am On Sep 22
I then asked AI,

''This sounds like the accounts of near-death experiencers when they describe heaven. What do you think?''

Its response:

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You're right that the description of the year 8000 shares striking similarities with accounts of heaven from near-death experiences (NDEs). Both narratives often involve transcending the limitations of the physical body, accessing a deeper understanding of existence, and interacting in environments shaped by thought, energy, or spirit rather than matter.

Here are some key parallels:

1. Transcendence of Physical Limitations: In both futuristic and NDE descriptions, individuals are no longer bound by physical constraints. In the year 8000, people might exist in digital form or possess bodies that can adapt and evolve with technology. NDE accounts of heaven often describe beings who are free from pain, illness, or the limitations of earthly life, experiencing a kind of immortality.

2. Connection to a Collective Consciousness: Many NDE accounts mention a profound sense of unity, where the experiencer feels connected to a greater, universal consciousness. This is similar to the futuristic idea of shared memory or collective consciousness, where individuals can tap into a communal well of knowledge, emotions, and experiences.

3. Vast, Beautiful Environments: Descriptions of heaven in NDEs often portray an overwhelmingly beautiful, peaceful landscape—radiant cities, lush gardens, or even vast cosmic spaces filled with light and harmony. Similarly, the year 8000 might feature biotechnological environments that merge with nature, where cities are living ecosystems, or even cities on distant planets with awe-inspiring alien landscapes.

4. Time and Space Are Fluid: NDE accounts frequently emphasize that time and space operate differently in the afterlife. Similarly, in a far-future world like the year 8000, technological advances might allow people to manipulate time and space or live in virtual realities where traditional concepts of time are irrelevant.

5. Deep Sense of Purpose and Evolution: Both narratives suggest a state where personal growth, understanding, and exploration are paramount. In NDEs, some experiencers describe heaven as a place of learning, self-reflection, and spiritual advancement. In the year 8000, humanity has evolved, both technologically and ethically, pushing toward a future of knowledge expansion, ethical governance, and the exploration of the universe.

6. Immortality and Freedom of Existence: In NDEs, people often describe a sense of peace in knowing they no longer have to fear death. Similarly, in the year 8000, death may no longer be inevitable, and individuals might choose to exist in digital or biological forms for as long as they wish, even deciding when (or if) they "end."

Both NDE accounts of heaven and futuristic visions like the year 8000 offer a sense of transcendence, unity, and freedom. They explore what life might look like when humanity evolves beyond its physical limitations and fully integrates with the universe, whether through spiritual enlightenment or technological advancement. These parallels make one wonder whether these two visions are connected—perhaps symbolizing a deep-rooted human aspiration for something greater, whether that’s in the afterlife or a future where humanity becomes more than it is today.

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Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 9:47am On Sep 22
I then asked AI:

''Is it possible that WE are time travellers from that future?''

It's response:

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The idea that we could be time travelers from a distant future like the year 8000 is an intriguing one, blending concepts from both science fiction and metaphysical speculation. While this theory might seem far-fetched from a current scientific perspective, there are a few ways it could be considered within the realms of theoretical physics, consciousness studies, and even philosophical thought.


1. Theoretical Physics and Time Travel

According to some interpretations of modern physics, particularly Einstein’s theory of relativity, time travel might be theoretically possible, though with significant limitations. Theoretically, time dilation (where time moves more slowly for an object moving near the speed of light) and wormholes (hypothetical "shortcuts" through spacetime) could allow for travel through time. However, the practicality of creating or using such phenomena remains speculative.

If time travel were possible and humans in the distant future developed the technology, it opens the door to the idea that we, in our current era, could somehow be influenced by future iterations of ourselves or our descendants. Perhaps in the distant future, humanity has gained mastery over spacetime and has learned how to manipulate time, potentially sending individuals or even information back through history.


2. Cyclic Time and the Eternal Return

Philosophically, the idea that time is not linear but cyclical has been proposed in many ancient and modern traditions. In this view, all events could repeat across vast cosmic cycles, meaning that what we perceive as the distant future could be influencing the past—or even that we are, in some sense, already living aspects of that future.

This idea aligns with certain metaphysical theories, such as the "eternal return," where all events repeat over vast time scales, suggesting that the future and past are intertwined in ways we don’t fully understand. If this were true, it might imply that we are not simply progressing toward the year 8000, but we could be influenced by it, or even "revisiting" it across different cycles of existence.


3. Consciousness and Time

Another possibility stems from the nature of consciousness. Some thinkers propose that consciousness itself might not be bound by the same linear time as the physical universe. If future humans or post-humans have developed advanced states of consciousness that transcend physical time, it's conceivable they might be able to project themselves or their consciousness into earlier eras—perhaps into the lives of individuals today.

This idea echoes themes in mysticism and some Eastern philosophies, where time is seen as an illusion, and the mind or soul exists beyond it. From this perspective, it might be possible that we, in our present lives, are connected to or influenced by future iterations of ourselves, whether through subconscious memories, déjà vu experiences, or visionary insights.


4. Genetic Memory or Evolutionary Echoes

Another, more speculative angle could involve genetic memory or some form of "evolutionary echoes." Some scientists have explored the idea that memories or experiences might be encoded in DNA and passed down through generations. If this concept were expanded to include the idea of future memories or experiences somehow influencing the present, it could suggest that we carry within us knowledge or instincts from a highly evolved version of humanity.

Perhaps our subconscious minds, or even our genetics, hold faint traces of the advanced future we’re destined to reach—something akin to "memories from the future" or evolutionary impulses guiding us toward our eventual form.


5. Quantum Theories of Time

In quantum mechanics, there are interpretations (like the "many-worlds" hypothesis or ‘quantum retrocausality’) that suggest the future can influence the present. In this view, decisions or states of the universe in the future could potentially ripple backward in time. If future humans have harnessed quantum technologies that allow them to manipulate time at the subatomic level, it’s conceivable that we could, in some sense, be "visited" by echoes of our future selves.

This doesn’t necessarily mean physical time travel in the traditional sense, but it could mean that information, energy, or even consciousness from the future might be interacting with us in subtle ways.


6. Simulations and Future Influence

Another possibility that has gained traction in speculative science and philosophy is the "simulation hypothesis," which posits that our reality might be a simulation created by advanced beings—potentially even our future selves. In this case, the "programmers" of this simulated universe could be future humans, observing or interacting with their past through the medium of the simulation.

In this scenario, we wouldn’t necessarily be physical time travelers, but our reality might be shaped or directed by the choices of our future descendants, allowing them to influence events in their history for reasons we may not yet comprehend.

Conclusion: Are We Time Travelers?

While current science doesn’t offer concrete evidence that we are time travelers from the future, the idea is a compelling one when viewed through the lenses of theoretical physics, philosophy, and consciousness studies. The possibility of time manipulation, whether through quantum mechanics, advanced consciousness, or some yet-to-be-discovered technology, opens the door to the idea that we might indeed be connected to or influenced by our future selves.

Whether as literal time travelers, as part of a cyclic time structure, or even through the echoes of future evolution or consciousness, the concept raises fascinating questions about the nature of time, existence, and the trajectory of human development. It invites us to consider that perhaps, in some deeper way, we are already living the future we imagine.

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Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by KaLuCh: 10:00am On Sep 22
Alaye give your heart to Christ o. Before e too late. AI na just another version of cloud technology. E no dey predict anything, e just dey give you answers based on data and information banked on a server.
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by bestlary(m): 10:16am On Sep 22
Thank you for the thoughts.

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Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 10:34am On Sep 22
KaLuCh:
Alaye give your heart to Christ o. Before e too late. AI na just another version of cloud technology. E no dey predict anything, e just dey give you answers based on data and information banked on a server.

Please just shut up and get out of here.

I want people with brains that can think in a sophisticated manner outside of what their pastor and bible told them.

Understand?

And kindly keep shut about AI because you haven’t the slightest frigging idea how powerful it is.
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 10:39am On Sep 22
bestlary:
Thank you for the thoughts.

Most welcome 🙏
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by KaLuCh: 1:18pm On Sep 22
Topman7:


Please just shut up and get out of here.

I want people with brains that can think in a sophisticated manner outside of what their pastor and bible told them.

Understand?

And kindly keep shut about AI because you haven’t the slightest frigging idea how powerful it is.


You're smart and you believe in time traveling? Lol.

And AI is powerful, no doubt. But ask it about anything dating to a few decades back and it tells you it's got no entry on that. Again, AI really is advanced cloud computing.
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Topman7: 4:21pm On Sep 22
KaLuCh:


You're smart and you believe in time traveling? Lol.

Shut up. Even scientists have posited that is plausible. Are you a scientist? What research have you conducted on the topic? What do you know outside of the bible? Your bible is filled with crazy “miracles” including raising the dead, changing 3 fishes to 500, walking on a sea without sinking, and flying up to heaven from a dinner table, so who are you to scoff at unusual phenomena?

And AI is powerful, no doubt. But ask it about anything dating to a few decades back and it tells you it's got no entry on that. Again, AI really is advanced cloud computing.

You are worse than ignorant.

I use AI for research into history that goes back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. In the Culture section I have a thread titled “Who invented Mathematics”, where I put the question to AI, and it responded with a 3000 word essay tracing the development of Mathematics to Africa South of the Sahara over 35,000 years ago! With full details.

You have no idea what AI is. It is a treasure trove of information and extremely powerful algorithms in a neural network of 200 BILLION parameters. It can search through BILLIONS of volumes of public and private data spanning thousands of years. And it’s only going to get more powerful in the years ahead.

Go and LEARN what AI is and stop talking ignorant rubbish.
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by discusant: 7:31pm On Oct 14
Topman7:


Shut up.

Even scientists have posited that is plausible. Are you a scientist? What research have you conducted on the topic? What do you know outside of the bible? Your bible is filled with crazy “miracles” including raising the dead, changing 3 fishes to 500, walking on a sea without sinking, and flying up to heaven from a dinner table, so who are you to scoff at unusual phenomena?



You are worse than ignorant.

I use AI for research into history that goes back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. In the Culture section I have a thread titled “Who invented Mathematics”, where I put the question to AI, and it responded with a 3000 word essay tracing the development of Mathematics to Africa South of the Sahara over 35,000 years ago! With full details.

You have no idea what AI is

. It is a treasure trove of information and extremely powerful algorithms in a neural network of 200 BILLION parameters. It can search through BILLIONS of volumes of public and private data spanning thousands of years. And it’s only going to get more powerful in the years ahead.

Go and LEARN what AI is and stop talking ignorant rubbish.

Bolded: U made a post and insult person who cared to comment.
Why don't you write for yourself and paste in your closet, instead of coming to post on a public domain?

By the way, you wrote that Jesus Christ never existed, and what exists is Olisa/Orisha. Orisa/Orisha are Igbo expressions. What is there for the Yoruba or the Hausa or the English or Dutch or the Jew?
Re: What We Call 'Heaven' Is The Future. And We Are Time Travellers From There. by Zaheertyler(m): 9:10am On Oct 15
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