Details coming soon.

I read one of Billy's thread about walking the narrow road by some scientific means. This thread will show us how to get to the land flowing with milk and honey using the Torah as our guide..
Abraham get up and go find your self (go to a land I will show you) this was one of the 10 test God gave to Abraham
The narrow road is walking your own path, that is what spirituality is all about. It is meant for only you, hence it can only contain you. No and no the narrow path is not Jesus, as that was created as a distraction so that you keep coming to this third dimension....

Details coming soon.

sonmvayina:
This thread will show us how to get to the land flowing with milk and honey using the Torah as our guide...

There must be gigantic bees in this land you speak of. What do they do about the ant problem? Also, how do they deal with all that milk when it turns and how big are the cows?
Does it rain milk on some days and honey on some others?
Where is this land located. On earth? Another planet? Another galaxy?
Does the Torah include a map to get to this land?
What kind of vessel is needed for the trip?
How long would the trip take?

Are the inhabitants of this land flowing with milk and honey made out of bread and biscuits?

KnownUnknown:


There must be gigantic bees in this land you speak of. What do they do about the ant problem? Also, how do they deal with all that milk when it turns and how big are the cows?
Does it rain milk on some days and honey on some others?

Now I know you are a dummy..

Just read please...i will cure your ignorance (and maybe illiteracy) as time goes on...

sonmvayina:


Now I know you are a dummy..

Just read please...i will cure your ignorance (and maybe illiteracy) as time goes on...

What kind of teacher starts of by insulting the student? Is this how it is done in the land flowing with milk and honey? Are some peoples veins flowing with vinegar in this land of milk and honey? Are you from this land? When did you last visit?

KnownUnknown:


What kind of teacher starts of by insulting the student? Is this how it is done in the land flowing with milk and honey? Are some peoples veins flowing with vinegar in this land of milk and honey? Are you from this land? When did you last visit?

Do you or have you heard of the word "Symbolism"?
Let's start from there...

sonmvayina:


Do you or have you heard of the word "Symbolism"?
Let's start from there...

The appeal to symbolism and allegory when the idea is beyond ridiculous. The hallmark of the abrahamic filth.

KnownUnknown:


The appeal to symbolism and allegory when the idea is beyond ridiculous. The hallmark or the abrahamic filth.

You have not answered my question...

Have you heard of the word " symbolism" and do you know what it means?
So, I know where to start...

sonmvayina:


You have not answered my question...

Have you heard of the word " symbolism" and do you know what it means?
So, I know where to start...

No, I have not. Pray tell sir, what is symbolism?

KnownUnknown:


No, I have not. Pray tell sir, what is symbolism?

Well, a simple Meta AI search gives

Symbolism is the use of objects, colors, or other elements to represent abstract ideas, concepts, or meanings beyond their literal interpretation. It involves assigning a deeper significance or meaning to something, often to convey complex ideas, emotions, or themes in a subtle yet powerful way.

In symbolism:

1. Objects, colors, or images (symbols) carry meaning beyond their physical appearance.
2. The symbol's meaning is often subjective and can vary across cultures, contexts, or individuals.
3. Symbols can evoke emotions, convey complex ideas, or represent abstract concepts.

Examples of symbolism include:

- National flags representing countries or ideologies
- Colors like red symbolizing love, passion, or danger
- Animals representing qualities like courage (lion) or wisdom (owl)
- Religious symbols like the cross or crescent moon

Symbolism is used in various forms of expression, such as:

- Art
- Literature
- Music
- Film
- Mythology
- Religion

By using symbolism, creators can:

- Convey complex ideas or themes in a subtle way
- Evoke emotions and connections in the audience
- Add depth and layers of meaning to their work
- Encourage interpretation and reflection

Does that help clarify the concept of symbolism?

So I guess you have to see a literature for what it is rather than gling to your ignorant understanding of it..... to judge....

We will start the journey from Egypt (Ignorance of self) to the promised land (knowledge of self and higher consciousness) this weekend...

Stay tuned

sonmvayina:


Well, a simple Meta AI search gives

Symbolism is the use of objects, colors, or other elements to represent abstract ideas, concepts, or meanings beyond their literal interpretation. It involves assigning a deeper significance or meaning to something, often to convey complex ideas, emotions, or themes in a subtle yet powerful way.

In symbolism:

1. Objects, colors, or images (symbols) carry meaning beyond their physical appearance.
2. The symbol's meaning is often subjective and can vary across cultures, contexts, or individuals.
3. Symbols can evoke emotions, convey complex ideas, or represent abstract concepts.

Examples of symbolism include:

- National flags representing countries or ideologies
- Colors like red symbolizing love, passion, or danger
- Animals representing qualities like courage (lion) or wisdom (owl)
- Religious symbols like the cross or crescent moon

Symbolism is used in various forms of expression, such as:

- Art
- Literature
- Music
- Film
- Mythology
- Religion

By using symbolism, creators can:

- Convey complex ideas or themes in a subtle way
- Evoke emotions and connections in the audience
- Add depth and layers of meaning to their work
- Encourage interpretation and reflection

Does that help clarify the concept of symbolism?

You needed AI for that?!

KnownUnknown:


You needed AI for that?!

To put it in simple words for you...

KnownUnknown:


You needed AI for that?!

Do you understand it..I need to ask that..

So we can proceed...

sonmvayina:


Do you understand it..I need to ask that..

So we can proceed...

Lol.

KnownUnknown:


Lol.

I will take that...

Tomorrow we will start from the very beginning...and take Genesis 1-3.

It is interesting to not that the authors did not add the chapters and verses...so we will take the story group by group...and progress till we reach the promised land.

Tomorrow we will start from the very beginning...and take Genesis 1-3.

It is interesting to not that the authors did not add the chapters and verses...so we will take the story group by group...and progress till we reach the promised land.
Wainy..it's here.

Genesis 1-3 describe the creation of the universe and in particular the earth. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, you are right....

It culminate with the creation of man and tells of how man lost the chance of mortality.
1:26 let us make man in our image after our likeness.....
This single line has been one of the verses held high by trinitarians, but when we allow the passage speak for itself, we discover that a conversation already started in verse 25.
This is God telling the earth "let us make make man ...."
Chapter 2 tells us that the earth provided the dust and sticks for making the body and bones...which is also the same motif found in all creation myths around the world.
The story ends with man eating the fruit forbidden of him and thus loosing the chance to dwell on earth indefinitely..They where driven out of the garden so they don't put their hand on the tree of life...
So our aim is to find our way back to the garden and eat from the tree of life...

sonmvayina:
Tomorrow we will start from the very beginning...and take Genesis 1-3.

It is interesting to not that the authors did not add the chapters and verses...so we will take the story group by group...and progress till we reach the promised land.
Wainy..it's here.

Here’s god chilling in his garden before creating the two naked simpletons. This was before he wiped out the first creation by snapping his fingers. sYmboLiSm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAIloFqoXBg&pp=ygUUdGhhbm9zIGluIHRoZSBnYXJkZW4%3D

sonmvayina:

Chapter 2 tells us that the earth provided the dust and sticks for making the body and bones...which is also the same motif found in all creation myths around the world.

You people have to grow up sometime. Holding fast to fairy tales is childlike. Infantile people.
“Dust and sticks” lmao you MUST be insane

@ knownunknown,

Why do you think it's fair to continue to troll sonmwayina after he has announced to you, that for him ,those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past. He said they are symbolic representation of messages or teachings he wants to detail here.

Every informed person knows that Christians , especially the fundamentalist amongst them , are the ones who take Biblical accounts has factually true. Moderate Christians and adherents of Judaism, from which Christianity sprang from ,have a completely different viewpoint.

And from what I have read so far here in this thread,the Op certainly belongs to the latter group .

Sorry to say, your criticism of him is misplaced Please allow him finish what he started before criticising and judging him as "infantile" or insane.

triplechoice:
@ knownunknown,

Why do you think it's fair to continue to troll sonmwayina after he has announced to you, that for him those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past. He said they are symbolic representation of messages or teachings he wants to detail here.

Every informed person knows that Christians , especially the fundamentalist amongst them , are the ones who take Biblical accounts has factually true. Moderate Christians and adherents of Judaism, from which Christianity sprang from ,have a completely different viewpoint.

And from what I have read so far here in this thread,the Op certainly belongs to the latter group .

Sorry to say, your criticism of him is misplaced Please allow him finish what he started before criticising and judging him as "infantile" or insane.

I’m not stopping him from finishing what he started nor will I stop trolling him. However, the notion that “ those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past” is laughable because he has shown multiple times that he takes the stories as factual until he finds it convenient to claim symbolism; just like the rest of them.
This is a person who once wrote that “kill everyone and take the virgins” means “take wisdom”. That’s the level of symbolism to expect.
Maybe I’m harsh by calling him infantile or insane is not rally far fetched.

Besides, there are verifiable interpretations of some of these symbolisms, which none of them ever even get close to realizing.

sonmvayina:
Genesis 1-3 describe the creation of the universe and in particular the earth. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, you are right....

Compare “creation” to “creation”. Comparing one particular story of so called creation to evolution is a false dichotomy and evolution is also not in the same class as “creation”.

sonmvayina:
We will start the journey from Egypt (Ignorance of self) to the promised land (knowledge of self and higher consciousness) this weekend...

Stay tuned

1.) Why denote Egypt as ignorance and the “promised land” as knowledge?

2.) What kind of ideology begins by denigrating some other people out of the gate?!!

3.) If the “promised land” is really symbolism why are some European Jews and Christians before them taking it literally instead of realizing that it’s just “symbolism”?

KnownUnknown:


I’m not stopping him from finishing what he started nor will I stop trolling him. However, the notion that “ those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past” is laughable because he has shown multiple times that he takes the stories as factual until he finds it convenient to claim symbolism; just like the rest of them.
This is a person who once wrote that “kill everyone and take the virgins” means “take wisdom”. That’s the level of symbolism to expect.

Besides, there are verifiable interpretations of some of these symbolism, which none of them ever even get close to realizing.

I see where you're coming from, but try to understand that, apart from Islam and Christianity which are both false religious constructs, every other religion or most of them hold on to two messages or storyline,one for the public and the other for the initiates .

If you're not an initiate of some of these religious groups or spiritual paths that hide their true teachings from the public, you won't accept what they tell you is the actual meaning behind the tale they tell non initiates like yourself.

It won't make sense to you because your innocent mind just can't accept that a story that's deserving of condemnation should
be used by anyone to pass across a positive message . But that's what they do and will continue to do.

KnownUnknown:


Compare “creation” to “creation”. Comparing one particular story of so called creation to evolution is a false dichotomy and evolution is also not in the same class as “creation”.

Creation stories,AKA origin myths were used by the ancients to teach people of those times that the world has a begining and that it has proceeded from a singular intelligent force which is still sustaining it . The nature of this force,it was believed by them, is to seek for expansion in the visible universe ,bringing with it the evolution of every single life form it has "created"

In other words, there's no God that created the world. The singular force which is responsible for the "creation " and expansion and still expanding universe is what was personified by the ancients as God.

This is the staggering truth the average religious person whose mind has been programmed to worship an imaginary diety he thinks exist somewhere will never accept..

triplechoice:


Creation stories,AKA origin myths were used by the ancients to teach people of those times that the world has a begining and that it has proceeded from a singular intelligent force which is still sustaining it . The nature of this force,it was believed by them, is to seek for expansion in the visible universe ,bringing with it the evolution of every single life form it has "created"

In other words, there's no God that created the world. The singular force which is responsible for the "creation " and expansion and still expanding universe is what was personified by the ancients as God.

This is the staggering truth the average religious person whose mind has been programmed to worship an imaginary diety he thinks exist somewhere will never accept..

That’s just one school of thought amongst many. Some also had the idea that this singular entity was a combination of three essences (the Christian trinity is a corruption of this) etc.

Regardless, everything is a part of the same fabric ,call it universe or god or whatever else. That much is obvious. It’s not really their fault that they have been programmed but it’s irksome when the programming requires them to spread the ignorance.

triplechoice:


I see where you're coming from, but try to understand that, apart from Islam and Christianity which are both false religious constructs, every other religion or most of them hold on to two messages or storyline,one for the public and the other for the initiates.

I don’t think the idea of “false religious construct” is valid given that there is no criteria to determine whats a false or true religion.
Regarding the varied ideas held by the public and the initiates, we can also argue that there is congruence amongst their beliefs and even intra-group divisions as seen when the so called initiates start disagreeing about doctrine.

triplechoice:

If you're not an initiate of some of these religious groups or spiritual paths that hide their true teachings from the public, you won't accept what they tell you is the actual meaning behind the tale they tell non initiates like yourself.

You can always discover what they belief and what they symbolism and allegories mean. Regardless, their attempts at secrecy and mystery is nothing but an attempt to turn the mundane or anbsurd into the profound. The Catholic Church is favorite example of this

triplechoice:

It won't make sense to you because your innocent mind just can't accept that a story that's deserving of condemnation should
be used by anyone to pass across a positive message. But that's what they do and will continue to do.

If the story is deserving of condemnation, then whatever message it aims to send will be distorted. It’s a successful con so it will continue.

KnownUnknown:


I don’t think the idea of “false religious construct” is valid given that there is no criteria to determine whats a false or true religion.
Regarding the varied ideas held by the public and the initiates, we can also argue that there is congruence amongst their beliefs and even intra-group divisions as seen when the so called initiates start disagreeing about doctrine.

1. I used the word, false, because both Christianity and Islam are false representation of the original they copied from.
2. Your "so called Initiates" description tells me you're still using what you know of Islam and Christianity especially, to interprete what I already explained about Initiates and non initiates of "authentic" or original spiritual paths .

And there"re no such congruence that you have imagined. Yes both might share some belief but the understanding is never the same. While the non initiates are made to believe a real god or gods exist, in,the initiates who are well informed know that no such deities exist exactly they way it's described within the group. Deities in ART are simply a personification of forces in nature which the try to align themselves with through certain ritual practices.

You will have to undertake an investigation of some of these other groups to understand better what I have been explaining . You can start from Judaism or ART. Christianity won't help you at all.

You can always discover what they belief and what they symbolism and allegories mean. Regardless, their attempts at secrecy and mystery is nothing but an attempt to turn the mundane or anbsurd into the profound. The Catholic Church is favorite example of this

Your mention of the Catholic Church proves right what I said about you above. You're still seeing things through the lens of Christianity.
Yes, it's possible to stumble on some initiation secrets of these other groups through close association with its initiates,but not enough to know everything that goes on within the inner circle . And if you have the courage to tell them what you have discovered about what they do secretly,they will never admit or confirm it for you.

If the story is deserving of condemnation, then whatever message it aims to send will be distorted. It’s a successful con so it will continue.

It's deserving of condemnation to the modern public who don't know the true purposes for those narration .And no, the messages won't be distorted. What we can learn from snow-white, Macbeth or even more Harry Potter is never distorted by what we read or watch.

KnownUnknown:


That’s just one school of thought amongst many. Some also had the idea that this singular entity was a combination of three essences (the Christian trinity is a corruption of this) etc.

Regardless, everything is a part of the same fabric ,call it universe or god or whatever else. That much is obvious. It’s not really their fault that they have been programmed but it’s irksome when the programming requires them to spread the ignorance.

I said "force" not entity. So we're not saying the same thing.

The visible universe is no doubt expanding .Science has confirmed that for us already . But the question is ,

what's behind this expansion?

What is the exact nature of this force or energy ,which some have described as intelligent, that's responsible for the ever expanding universe?