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1925 - Proven Fact From God

Rutherford wrote that the chronological predictions he had made were "of God" himself and 1925 was proclaimed a "fixed" date beyond doubt.

Sign below proclaiming "This means what it says - It is a fact"

"... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 15 p.217

"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed." Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262

"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures, marking the end of the typical jubilees. ... As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had (so far as the Scriptures reveal) upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your pastor?

Your your problem isn't the name of my church again, but now the NAME OF MY PASTOR.

Why now ask for his wife, children and house address join?

Useless tactics to boycott his lies being exposed.

Emusan:

Your your problem isn't the name of my church again, but now the NAME OF MY PASTOR. Why now ask for his wife, children and house address join? Useless tactics to boycott his lies being exposed.

If you don't want me to know your church and your pastor why not keep your beliefs while i keep mine?

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't want me to know your church and your pastor why not keep your beliefs while i keep mine?

Where did I tell you to accept MY BELIEF?

All I've been doing is SHOWING YOU EVIDENCES FROM GOD'S WORD.

Or have I ever said, this is WHAT MY PASTOR SAY about GOD and you need to believe my Pastor?

So, address my post and stop playing hide and seek

Emusan:

ave I ever said, this is WHAT MY PASTOR SAY about GOD and you need to believe my Pastor?

You were TAUGHT by some religionists just as i was TAUGHT by some religionists so if you are not convinced that my beliefs are true at least you believe what your teachers TAUGHT you.

So keep yours while i keep mine!

MaxInDHouse:
You were TAUGHT by some religionists just as i was TAUGHT by some religionists

No! I read scripture in plain English.

That is why I never tell you THIS IS WHAT one pastor tells me to BELIEVE.

so if you are not convinced that my beliefs are true at least you believe what your teachers TAUGHT you.

Your belief is against GOD'S WORD that is why I'm using the same God's WORD to expose your BELIEF, you can only proof me wrong with the same God's word.

If you claimed 1 Thess 4:16-17 is a prophecy about Jesus coming.

1. Why did you lie that THOSE ONES ALIVE WILL LATER DIE AND JOIN THOSE WHO JESUS RESURRECTED in 1914, when God's word says "Those who ARE ALIVE will join the one who RESURRECTED in the air (which is on the same event)"

2. Check the below screenshot when Watchtower answered the uestion, Yes, We are Christian! See number 5 point, Jesus was appointed to have AUTHORITY OVER every MAN

Compare that statement with what you earlier said about having AUTHORITY.

So keep yours while i keep mine!

I never preach anything to you, you can point out where I did that.

So, your diversion tactics won't work here

Emusan:

No! I read scripture in plain English.

That is why I never tell you THIS IS WHAT one pastor tells me.

Good!

So you and i can't agree on beliefs after all if you read it on your own and i also do the same each reader will come to a different conclusion unlike what Jesus instituted that his disciples should TEACH others to continue making disciples.

If you read yours alone and i read mine alone there's no way we can both arrive at the same line of thought that's why you have thousands of religions out there claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet instead of you to leave it that way since you don't welcome Jesus' opinion on disciples teaching disciples you are arguing up and down expecting people who also read the same book independently to agree with you!

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So you and i can't agree on beliefs after all if you read it on your own and i also do the same each reader will come to a different conclusion unlike what Jesus instituted that his disciples should TEACH others to continue making disciples.

The above is a pure delusion.

Their is a grammatical structure that every languages follow, if you have different opinion it means you didn't follow the grammatical structure.

But if something is written in a PLAIN English Language, you can only get confused base on whatever you have been preprogram with.

I quoted your own translation where it clearly stated that "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’su voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord."

This is a plain English Language.

Or is there any words used here that you don't know its meaning?

If you read yours alone and i read mine alone there's no way we can both arrive at the same line of thought that's why you have thousands of religions out there claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet instead of you to leave it that way since you don't welcome Jesus' opinion on disciples teaching disciples you are arguing up and down expecting people who also read the same book independently to agree with you!

So that means, you have problem with English Language or you need someone else to interpret English Language to you again after reading something in English

From the above verse in your NWT

1. Who witnesses the VOICE and the SOUND OF TRUMPET that raised the dead in Christ?

2. "The Lord HIMSELF will descend from heaven..." this corroborate with what the Angels told the disciples at the ascension ground. "and said: “Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the SAME MANNER as you have seen him going into the sky.” - NWT

Which part do you need interpreter for in the above?

Emusan:

if you have different opinion.

Ọmọ Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Winner Chapel, Christ Embassy, SCOAN, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim, Foursquare, Chosen, Dinamis, Harvesters, Omega all have different opinions on beliefs and doctrines that is why they are CONTRADICTING themselves!

So go and tell them your story!

MaxInDHouse:
Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple in the year 607 B.C.E.

God revealed in a dream that the trampling of Jerusalem which is God's arrangement to rule will last for SEVEN TIMES! Daniel 4:23

When Jesus walked the earth he told first century Jews that the times of the nations is still ongoing so they should wait until the SEVEN TIMES is over! Luke 21:24

The nations will continue to rule and Christ must sit at God's right hand until the time is fulfilled! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56

So how long is the SEVEN TIMES?
In the Bible book of Revelation it was revealed to John the apostle that three and a half times is equal to 1260 days! Revelations 12:6, 14

Therefore SEVEN TIMES will amount to 2520 days but if we're to calculate from 607 B.C.E. that will end in the year 600 B.C.E. yet Jesus told his contemporaries that the time God gave the nations is still ongoing in his own days {Luke 21:24} therefore we have to go by the standard God pronounced when Israelites annoyed Him a day will be for a year! Numbers 14:34 compare to Ezekiel 4:6

So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914.
That was the year Jesus was crowned as King of God's kingdom in heaven and the first thing he did was sending Satan out of heaven that year {Revelations 12:7-12} the earth began seeing woes right from that time until today! Matthew 24:7-14

God's people continued preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth gathering millions of peace loving subjects in preparation for the second coming of Christ who is coming to destroy all opposers of his rule! Luke 19:27

So whoever believes this will continue doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples with endurance till the end! Matthew 24:13-14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Wrong calculation. Jesus is yet to return.

The calculation will resume after the church age. Daniel didn't see the church age. So,the last one week of Daniel Prophecy is after the rapture of the church.

Ken4Christ:

Wrong calculation. Jesus is yet to return.
The calculation will resume after the church age. Daniel didn't see the church age. So,the last one week of Daniel Prophecy is after the rapture of the church.

Guy what you people are referring to as rapture occurred in the year 1914.

MaxInDHouse:


Guy what you people are referring to as rapture occurred in the year 1914.

No, it didn't. Why are you so brainwashed that you can't use your brain again? Let's look at the passages that talks about rapture and prove to me that all the events in that passage took place in 1914.

First Passage

1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Let's analyse Paul’s revelation about the rapture

1. God will bring those who slept in Jesus with Him. (verse 14.)
Those who slept in Jesus are those who died in Christ. Did they come with Jesus in 1914?

2. The Lord himself will descend with a shout and with the voice of the arch angel. (verse 16)
Give me evidence of shout heard in 1914.

3. And the dead in Christ will rise first (verse 16)
Did any dead in Christ rose from dead in 1914?

4. Those who will be alive will be caught up with the risen dead. (verse 17)

Verse 17 is what actually describes the phenomenon of rapture. We will be caught up. And the verse says we will be caught up together with those who rose from the dead.

Give me evidence of those caught up in 1914.

5. The raptured Saints will be in the presence of the Lord forever. Where is the Lord right now? In heaven. And the verse says that those raptured will be in heaven.

Please, address each points one by one.

Why not repent and deliver yourself from hell bound Jehovah Witness organisation.

Second Passage

1st Corinthians 15:51-54
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Additional information from this passage is that we shall all be changed. Our bodies will be changed to imperishable bodies. Bodies that will not die.

Did this happen in 1914? Are there people who live on earth that do not die. Well, they will be in heaven. So, are there records of relatives missing in homes who went to heaven in 1914?

Please, none of these events happened in 1914. It is in the future and it could happen any moment from now.

Why not repent and be saved so you will be among those who will make the rapture.

After the rapture, there will be great tribulation on earth. And those who are not saved will be eternally doomed.

Ken4Christ:

After the rapture, there will be great tribulation on earth. And those who are not saved will be eternally doomed.

Quote this in your Bible!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Winner Chapel, Christ Embassy, SCOAN, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim, Foursquare, Chosen, Dinamis, Harvesters, Omega all have different opinions on beliefs and doctrines that is why they are CONTRADICTING themselves!

So go and tell them your story!

Just see diversion tactics from the main point.

Their different opinions is in your head.

Just tell me where all the churches you mentioned have different opinions on 1 Thess 4:16-17.

He can't defend 1 Thess 4 again

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"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914;…" Watchtower 1924 Jul 15 p.211

Could there be any more direct evidence of an organization that promoted false prophecy in the name of God? How could Rutherford say that his followers had more reason to accept his prediction of 1925 than Noah had to believe the words directly spoken by Jehovah?

Rutherford gloated that those criticising the 1925 predictions would fail.

"We cannot be blamed for presenting from the Scriptures such evidence as they afford which leads us to believe that a certain event will take place at a given time. Some times the Lord has let His people looking for the right thing at the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong things at the right time. But all the enemies of the cause of present truth in the earth are fervently hoping that the Bible students will not be so successful in 1925 in looking for the right thing at the right time as they were in 1914. If they are, however, it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we." Golden Age 1924 Feb 13 p.314

As evidence of the imminence of the end, articles showed how Jesus' signs were being fulfilled. For instance, a spate of earthquakes in the United States in 1925 were used to motivate followers.

"1925 A YEAR OF EARTHQUAKES
On June 27th and 28th the state of Montana experienced a series of earthquake shocks which cracked many buildings and caused others to sway dangerously. ... The whole earth seems to be uneasy, getting ready for the greatest of all earthquakes, the one predicted by the Lord as due at this time no doubt." The Broadcaster 1925 Jul 13

Emusan:

Just see diversion tactics from the main point.
Their different opinions is in your head.
Just tell me where all the churches you mentioned have different opinions on 1 Thess 4:16-17.
He can't defend 1 Thess 4 again

If you welcome all these different religions with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines as your fellow believers what you're asking me is irrelevant.
Each of them welcomed one another without asking which is right or wrong as per doctrines so my friend keep your beliefs while i also keep mine i owe you no explanation!

From the year 1914 Jesus began ruling as King of God's Newly established kingdom in heaven soon he will extend his righteous rule to the earth so keep praying for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

MaxInDHouse:


If you welcome all these different religions with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines as your fellow believers what you're asking me is irrelevant.
Each of them welcomed one another without asking which is right or wrong as per doctrines so my friend keep your beliefs while i also keep mine i owe you no explanation!

That is what I'm saying.

So 1 Thess 4:16-17 isn't prophesy about Jesus Christ again

Emusan:

That is what I'm saying.
So 1 Thess 4:16-17 isn't prophesy about Jesus Christ again

You either take it or leave it just as you've been doing to thousands of religions out there who are contradicting themselves in doctrines it's not compulsory you agree!

MaxInDHouse:
You either take it or leave it just as you've been doing to thousands of religions out there who are contradicting themselves in doctrines it's not compulsory you agree!

So it's now force

Watchtower organization is part of the THOUSANDS don't forget and I'm glad as you understand that you are teaching a CONTRADICTORY doctrine.

As long as you didn't provide evidence that support what happened in 1 Thess 4:16-17 in 1914 it means you lie against God and His word also put you in the level of those you claim having thousand contradictory teachings

From God's word and even from your own organization publication I've proved beyond reasonable doubt how Jesus BECAME RULER of kings long before 1914.

Emusan:

So it's now force
Watchtower organization is part of the THOUSANDS don't forget and I'm glad as you understand that you are teaching a CONTRADICTORY doctrine.
As long as you didn't provide evidence that support what happened in 1 Thess 4:16-17 in 1914 it means you lie against God and His word also put you in the level of those you claim having thousand contradictory teachings
From God's word and even from your own organization publication I've proved beyond reasonable doubt how Jesus BECAME RULER of kings long before 1914.

Whatever my guy: WHATEVER!

So far you can't present any whose teaching is perfect from your own understanding you have no case here!

MaxInDHouse:


Whatever my guy: WHATEVER!

So far you can't present any whose teaching is perfect from your own understanding you have no case here!

Whatever!!! But you'll still spend sleepiness day and night on Nairaland, jumping from thread to thread promoting your WHATEVER

If you take your own advice, you shouldn't be here as long as it is WHATEVER.

Well, the teaching OF THE BIBLE IS PERFECT and it's the one I presented.

Do you have any teaching more PERFECT than what is found in God's word?

Emusan:

The teaching OF THE BIBLE IS PERFECT and it's the one I presented.

Just as the leaders of thousands of different religions out there claims to present the same thing with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So if you can't present any group that's doing what you call PERFECT then there's no case!

MaxInDHouse:
Just as the leaders of thousands of different religions out there claims to present the same thing with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So if you can't present any group that's doing what you call PERFECT then there's no case!

Still running away from 1 Thess 4:16-17.

Well, the point is, Jesus was not enthroned in 1914.

None of the events mentioned in 1 Thess 4:16-17 happened in 1914 and it has not happened YET.

So, any 1914 doctrine remains FALSE, reason why the first people with the idea have long DUMPED IT WHERE IT BELONGS 'the THRASH'

Emusan:

Well, the point is, Jesus was not enthroned in 1914.

Well we know he was enthroned that year so if you don't believe nobody is forcing it on you go and practice whatever you wish for your God!

MaxInDHouse:
Well we know he was enthroned that year

By this, you should concrete evidence to back it up.

So where are your evidences or it's a claim that you ACCEPTED?

so if you don't believe nobody is forcing it on you

Of course, I can't believe what the God word did not say.

Jesus reigning and second coming was so talked about by Jesus Himself and do His Apostles.

Every scripture pointed to PHYSICAL COMING OF JESUS

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it...Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. - NWT

The so called WORLD WAR that happens in 1914 that happened only in EUROPE didn't even near the GREAT TRIBULATION that will shake the POWER OF HEAVEN which there will will never be ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT.

Reason why another WORLD WAR II happened some years later and now the world is BUILDING UP FOR THE THIRD WORLD WAR and with every massive mass destruction weaponries in their arsenal, there is probability that it was the GREAT TRIBULATION the scripture was talking about.

because with over 10,000 Nuclear Bombs alone and at the detonation of them all, NO SINGLE LIFE WILL BE SAVED ON EARTH.

Lastly, Jesus Himself said the second @color part, attested to by the two Angels at Jesus ascension in Acts 1 and reconfirmation in Rev 1. ALL EYES WILL SEE JESUS AT HIS RETURN.

go and practice whatever you wish for your God!

Wrong I can't wish ANYTHING FOR THE GREAT YAHWEH.

Well, I'm practicing what The great YAHWEH said in His word and I don't disagree with Him.

Emusan:

By this, you should concrete evidence to back it up. So where are your evidences or it's a claim that you ACCEPTED? Of course, I can't believe what the God word did not say. Jesus reigning and second coming was so talked about by Jesus Himself and do His Apostles.
Every scripture pointed to PHYSICAL COMING OF JESUS "for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it...Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. - NWT
The so called WORLD WAR that happens in 1914 that happened only in EUROPE didn't even near the GREAT TRIBULATION that will shake the POWER OF HEAVEN which there will will never be ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT. Reason why another WORLD WAR II happened some years later and now the world is BUILDING UP FOR THE THIRD WORLD WAR and with every massive mass destruction weaponries in their arsenal, there is probability that it was the GREAT TRIBULATION the scripture was talking about. because with over 10,000 Nuclear Bombs alone and at the detonation of them all, NO SINGLE LIFE WILL BE SAVED ON EARTH.
Lastly, Jesus Himself said the second @color part, attested to by the two Angels at Jesus ascension in Acts 1 and reconfirmation in Rev 1. ALL EYES WILL SEE JESUS AT HIS RETURN.
Wrong I can't wish ANYTHING FOR THE GREAT YAHWEH. Well, I'm practicing what The great YAHWEH said in His word and I don't disagree with Him.

The Jewish nation as a whole never agree that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ till today despite everything his disciples penned down.

So if you don't believe there's no problem go and worship your own God no wahala!

MaxInDHouse:


The Jewish nation as a whole never agree that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ till today despite everything his disciples penned down.

So if you don't believe there's no problem go and worship your own God no wahala!

I'm worshiping my own God or you want to claim you don't know that?

Irrelevant diversion

I've provided more evidence from the scripture but you still couldn't point just one out.

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

Has this scripture been fulfilled?

Emusan:

I'm worshiping my own God

Are you sure?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure?

No!

Has this scripture been fulfilled?

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

Emusan:

No!
Has this scripture been fulfilled?
"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

If you're truly convinced of your God why aren't you contented with your own God nah?

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Basis of 1925 Doctrine

What was the basis for claiming the Scriptures so definitely proved the earthly resurrection would begin in 1925?

"Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of the year 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"Seventy times 50 are 3,500. The whole period would therefore have been 3,500 years from the time the Jews entered Canaan until all the types would have been fulfilled. As they entered Canaan 1,575 years before Christ there would be 1,925 years of types after Christ, or 1925 A. D." The Way to Paradise p.223

It is a sad indictment on human gullibility that Watchtower followers can accept such flimsy evidence as unquestionable proof.

Early 1925, Rutherford started back peddling on such certainties.

"How much of all this will come to pass in 1926 is not stated. At present we do not find any definite date beyond 1926 indicated in the Scriptures. When the Bible Students found 1914 in the Bible they heralded it far and wide, but the Lord left the curtain down at that date until we had reached it. God set his seal upon 1914, and the work started that year is still going on. We find the date 1925-1926 clearly indicated in the prophetic outline, and the Lord has not lifted the curtain sufficiently for us to see distinctly beyond." Watch Tower 1925 Feb 15 p.58