jaephoenix:

Well, like you said we are not interested in your opinion nor that of Lincoln.
Please show us in the Bible where it tells people to abolish slavery or where it states that slavery is bad.
The Bible explicitly said murder, lying, covetousness etc are all sins, even made them into commandments, but it omits the fatcs that slavery was a sin, despite the facts is was very common.

THE OPINION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE ENDED SLAVERY IN AMERICA. HE DECLARED THE PROCLAMATION OF EMANCIPATION WHICH CRIMINALISE SLAVERY AND MADE IT ILLEGAL TO TRADE IN SLAVES.

IF U THINK I SHOULD IGNORE THE OPINION OF SUCH INDIVIDUAL AND FOLLOW YOURS, THEN SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT MOTIVATED ABRAHAM LINCOLN TO END SLAVERY EVEN IF IT MEANT GOING TO WAR. WHAT BOOK INSPIRED HIM TO FIGHT AGAINST SLAVERY TO THE END.

WE NEED TO KNOW. DONT TELL ME OTHERWISE.

SIRTee15:


By giving them a different bible right?
A bible that omitted more than half of the bible pages.
That doesn't look like Christianity to me, that's religious fraud.

a religious fraud to keep the barbaric of slavery away from the reach of slaves and give them "God loves all and slaves should obey their masters" so that they can remain submissive without rebellion to their masters.

adeniyi65:
a religious fraud to keep the barbaric of slavery away from the reach of slaves and give them "God loves all and slaves should obey their masters" so that they can remain submissive without rebellion to their masters.

I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

SIRTee15:


THE OPINION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE ENDED SLAVERY IN AMERICA. HE DECLARED THE PROCLAMATION OF EMANCIPATION WHICH CRIMINALISE SLAVERY AND MADE IT ILLEGAL TO TRADE IN SLAVES.

IF U THINK I SHOULD IGNORE THE OPINION OF SUCH INDIVIDUAL AND FOLLOW YOURS, THEN SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT MOTIVATED ABRAHAM LINCOLN TO END SLAVERY EVEN IF IT MEANT GOING TO WAR. WHAT BOOK INSPIRED HIM TO FIGHT AGAINST SLAVERY TO THE END.

WE NEED TO KNOW. DONT TELL ME OTHERWISE.

My brother. You can help us with the verses that influenced them if you don't want to hear that NT says 'we are all equal before him but slaves must still be submissive to their slave masters'

SIRTee15:


I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

pens down. nothing to say again from here. You can't be a Christian than what the Bible say. The part sensored away condones slavery. Don't run around a circle that lead to nowhere.

cc seun

As I said earlier about Islam on slavery. Islam is the fair out of the two main world religions that advocate for freeing slave. It's clearly there both in Quran and Hadith the tradition of Muhammad. Christianity never try same. But that doesn't vindicate Islam, because it also advises Muslims to take slaves from the settlement of unbelievers.

adeniyi65:
pens down. nothing to say again from here. You can't be a Christian than what the Bible say. The part sensored away condones slavery. Don't run around a circle that lead to nowhere.

What is this one talking about.
Imagine a pastor preaching from a bible with half of its pages removed.

The abolitionists that moved against slavery, did their own bible have any pages torn off.
Did they yank off any pages from their own bible b4 preaching against slavery.
So how come they read the whole bible yet concluded slavery was wrong.

adeniyi65:

My brother. You can help us with the verses that influenced them if you don't want to hear that NT says 'we are all equal before him but slaves must still be submissive to their slave masters'

Guy rest. U lost this one badly. U were seriously unprepared, and there are serious deficiency in knowledge issues.
Go and pick another topic in the bible and let's discuss.

The problem is U guys rarely come across sound theological Christians. Otherwise all the trash in your brain would have been cleared.

Only 2 questions and the car begin to have knock out problems. U couldn't answer them convincingly.

I keep saying it, THE DAY I LOSE A DEBATE ON ANY CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY IS THE DAY I STOP FOLLOWING THE BIBLE.

SIRTee15:


By giving them a different bible right?
A bible that omitted more than half of the bible pages.
That doesn't look like Christianity to me, that's religious fraud.

One, its not like there's any objective bible recognised univocally by those who read it, different religions and different denominations have different varied accepted texts even though a lot of the texts are mutual between religions and denominations.

Two, i don't know if i'll call it fraud but yes you could say its fraud but if they didn't do it how accepting of the bible would the slaves be if they could read that the book says they could be beaten to within an inch of their life as long as they don't die, considering the inhumane trauma they were already passing through, so they found a way to make them accept it i guess.

SIRTee15:


I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

Ah yes, the always deferred to "no true scottsman fallacy"

Lucifyre:


One, its not like there's any objective bible recognised univocally by those who read it, different religions and different denominations have different varied accepted texts even though a lot of the texts are mutual between religions and denominations.

Two, i don't know if i'll call it fraud but yes you could say its fraud but if they didn't do it how accepting of the bible would the slaves be if they could read that the book says they could be beaten to within an inch of their life as long as they don't die, considering the inhumane trauma they were already passing through, so they found a way to make them accept it i guess.

We are both saying the same thing.
Yank off the pages of the bible u don't like and push an agenda with the rest.
Is that not what adeniyi was trying to do here until he started convulsing on the 2 questions I asked him and couldn't go any further.
He came here and started yarping bible condone slavery conveniently ignoring passages that clearly condemns it including a whole book in the bible dedicated to emancipation of slaves.

Dishonest people abound on both sides of every argument.

Since some think slaves are not worth to decide for themselves if slavery is wrong or not if they read the whole bible.
So I guess some dishonest creatures choose to decide for them.

jaephoenix:
Ok, so in other words, Yahweh doesn't want to change the norms for slavery, but decides to change the norms for other vices.
Thanks for your explanations

Mark 10:5
But Jesus said to them,
“Because of your hardness of hearts
[your callousness and insensitivity toward your wives and the provision of God]
he wrote you this precept.
(i.e. “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied)

Matthew 19:8
Jesus replied,
“Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts,
but it was not what God had originally intended.

Beloved, just because everybody did/does slavery, didnt/doesnt mean slavery's right nor does it mean that, God had slavery originally intended or planned.

Now, my right honourable gentleman, it will be very, very intellectually dishonest of you, to try to take away the credit from God, that God came on board the slavery scene, by proxy Moses, not to negatively ordain slavery, but to sanitise, humanise and moralise slavery, and all trio undisputedly done with specific and unequivocally reforms

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:


To start with and with all due respect, it is disingenuous and libellous to affirm that God ordains slavery, that was already instituted and establish, prior to Him coming on board to sanitise, humanise and moralise it with reforms

Slavery already was a reality in the system (i.e. Genesis 9: 20-27, has the first mention of slave/slavery in the bible) before the emergence of God's slavery reforms

If you are married, you know that one dont neccesarily cut off ones privates because of not wanting to traumatise ones kids from the shock of seeing ones little man, aka third leg, sometimes pka JT or John Thomas, but one simply covers up, in their presence, if one is au naturale (i.e. in the nude), so your ill advice, to those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils, can be dismissed off as pure balderdash.

The Bible is not a prejudicial or discriminatory book, it is part, a history book, educational book, inspirational book et cetera, that lays out facts and absolute truths as happened

Take note that according to 2 Timothy 3:16:
'All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction,
for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience],
for training in righteousness
[learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately
—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage];'

The bible unapologetically presents the good, the bad, the ugly and the gory in all their glories

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kobojunkiee aka nntr

Slavery is forever. When one side is in power, the other side is in slavery, and when this side returns to power, the other side become slaves

Isaiah 14:2

SIRTee15:


We are both saying the same thing.
Yank off the pages of the bible u don't like and push an agenda with the rest.
Is that not what adeniyi was trying to do here until he started convulsing on the 2 questions I asked him and couldn't go any further.
He came here and started yarping bible condone slavery conveniently ignoring passages that clearly condemns it including a whole book in the bible dedicated to emancipation of slaves.

Dishonest people abound on both sides of every argument.

I think slaves are not worth to decide for themselves is slavery is wrong or not is they read the whole bible so some people have to decide for them.

Its ok. What part of the bible clearly condemns slavery, cause as far as i know there's none like what you have with murder, theft, idolatry etc. As for your last paragraph, i can't comprehend what you're saying and i hope what i did understand was wrong.

MrPresident1:
Kobojunkie aka nntr

Constipated confused dot com

MrPresident1:
Slavery is forever. When one side is in power, the other side is in slavery, and when this side returns to power, the other side become slaves

Isaiah 14:2

1 Corinthians 13:13
Three things will last forever
—faith, hope, and love
—and the greatest of these is love.

Your nescience caused you to type unwisely that slavery is forever

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

SIRTee15:


Guy rest. U lost this one badly. U were seriously unprepared, and there are serious deficiency in knowledge issues.
Go and pick another topic in the bible and let's discuss.

The problem is U guys rarely come across sound theological Christians. Otherwise all the trash in your brain would have been cleared.

Only 2 questions and the car begin to have knock out problems. U couldn't answer them convincingly.

I keep saying it, THE DAY I LOSE A DEBATE ON ANY CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY IS THE DAY I STOP FOLLOWING THE BIBLE.

Note: your argument knows NO direction again as you have refused to accept that you have been hit hard. Where in the Bible verses did God against slavery as clear as he did on other mere sins? You kept running around no answer.

Good. I'm glad the conversation is open for public review. The conversations are there for all eye to see. And the unaware believers' mind shall be knock with truth. And it will be left to them to reflect or remain intelligent slaves. We have both done our part for humanity.

adeniyi65:

Note: your argument knows NO direction again as you have refused to accept that you have been hit hard. Where in the Bible verses did God against slavery as clear as he did on other mere sins? You kept running around no answer.

Guy rest, U just running around like headless chicken. I'm not the one the one that brought the argument. You are the one that claimed God condoned slavery in the bible.
I countered with 2 simple questions just to expose the fallacy, contradiction and lack of sound judgment in your argument.


The lesson here is if U are to present an argument, it must be logically sound, historically objective and there must be no self contradiction within the argument.
Unfortunately your argument falls apart when tested with with my question.
That's the problem U don't want to admit.
I'm not here to present an alternative argument (other Christians are already doing that). I CAME HERE TO TEST YOUR ARGUMENT AND IT FAILED WOEFULLY.
YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE; AND IF U ARE A SINCERE PERSON U WILL ADMIT TO ABOVE BUT WE ALL KNOW U ARE NOT HERE FOR THE TRUTH

My 2 questions remained the same just like I initially asked. It has not changed.
If U can provide answer- clear and concise...I will appreciate.
I have not only asked U but other people here who seem to swallow your gullible claim.
Pls no beating around the bush.

jaephoenix:

It looks like you too don't read your babble

Leviticus 25:44 ►
New International Version
“’Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

And it did not say "raid neighbors for slaves" as you had Lied.

adeniyi65:

Note: your argument knows NO direction again as you have refused to accept that you have been hit hard. Where in the Bible verses did God against slavery as clear as he did on other mere sins? You kept running around no answer.

Good. I'm glad the conversation is open for public review. The conversations are there for all eye to see. And the unaware believers' mind shall be knock with truth. And it will be left to them to reflect or remain intelligent slaves. We have both done our part for humanity.

You've boxed him into a corner and he's got no answer so he's strawmanning and tangenting hard away from the question, see how he swerved same question i asked. Dude is apologetic to slavery as is his bible, see his disgusting response about slaves unable to think for themselves. Was hoping the numerous typos made me misunderstand, but nope.

Lucifyre:


You've boxed him into a corner and he's got no answer so he's strawmanning and tangenting hard away from the question, see how he swerved same question i asked. Dude is apologetic to salvery as is his bible, see his disgusting response about slaves unable to think for themselves. Was hoping the numerous typos made me misunderstand, but nope.

he even systematically asked for another topic as he couldn't clear the Bible from slavery. May he see it somewhere else.

StillDtruth:


And it did not say "raid neighbors for slaves" as you had Lied.

But if you are pardon to buy slaves in the nations around you. Is that not an act supporting it?

Lucifyre:


You've boxed him into a corner and he's got no answer so he's strawmanning and tangenting hard away from the question, see how he swerved same question i asked. Dude is apologetic to slavery as is his bible, see his disgusting response about slaves unable to think for themselves. Was hoping the numerous typos made me misunderstand, but nope.

U better go back n read my post. If U have comprehension issues, that's your business.

SIRTee15:


U better go back n read my post. If U have comprehension issues, that's your business.

You mean the typo riddled dross below😅. Not my fault you can't write properly or know the difference between is and if.🤷🏾

adeniyi65:

But if you are pardon to buy slaves in the nations around you. Is that not an act supporting it?

No, it is not. God's mind and Law already shows that He does not want any evil done at all.

But since man loves doing evil and will always do it, then the best thing is for Him to reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done.

For slavery comes out from the fact and natural need that man needs his fellow man to accomplish a thing which is why people employ people and will always need to employ people. What is called Labour and a big factor of of Production!

And you already know that there are good employers and their are evil employers, but no reasonable person would say it is right to wipe out employment because of evil employers.

So God issued what is now known today as Labour Laws to regulate the wickedness which employers can do without having to stop Lawful and good Labour and employment, as you see, employment is another necessary need of man equal to food, clothes and shelter

So this is you seeing God laying down Labour Laws!.

Since adeniyi65 and his advocate Lucifyre failed to answer my question, I will provide the answer.
Where did the abolitionist receive the inspiration to end slavery- THE BIBLE

The bible makes it clear SLAVE TRADE is evil and rightfully condemned it.


APOSTLE PAUL BANNED SLAVE TRADERS FROM THE CHURCH.

1 Timothy 1
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

THE BOOK OF REVELATION REVEALS SLAVE TRADERS ARE BOUND FOR HELL.
Revelation 18
When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

GOD INSTRUCTED TO PUT DEATH ANY SLAVE KIDNAPPER OR WHOEVER FORCEFULLY ENSLAVE SOMEONE.
Exodus 21
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

From the above its pretty clear the whole atlantic slave trade and the transaharan slave trade was evil IN THE EYES OF GOD and all those who partook in it are bound for hell.
100% of slaves taken out of Africa were kidnapped, forcefully enslaved, beaten to submission and traded in open market as cargoes.

BIBLE CONDEMNED IT AND MAKES IT CLEAR ABOVE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. THE ABOLITIONIST WERE THUS RIGHT TO USE THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE END TO SLAVE TRADE.

adeniyi and Lucifyre, this is the answer u fail to provide.

Now that we know enforced slavery is wrong, what about voluntary slavery- people who choose to be slaves. This is where the issue of bondservant comes in. I will explain later, time to go to work.

Lucifyre:


You mean the typo riddled dross below😅. Not my fault you can't write properly or know the difference between is and if.🤷🏾

that's typo, u said u went back and still didnt understand after correcting the typo. that's your business not mine.

adeniyi65 and Lucifyre

U now see why the slave masters in America had to give a different bible to the slaves.
because if the slaves were given the REAL BIBLE, they will know that they were being enslaved against their will and the bible condemned such practice.
If anything bible commands such slave masters to be killed and sent straight to hell. Anyone who forces someone into slavery should be killed.
This will provide the slaves a justifiable and valid reason to rebel against their present status.

When Haitian slaves successfully rebelled, they killed their slaves masters who enslaved them against their will.
The American counterparts realise this and quickly produce an alternate bible for their own slaves and removed evidence that could be used against them from the bible.

So this issue has been thrashed. It's let for U just to embrace the truth or reject it.

Now what does the bible say about those who choose to enter slavery voluntarily. I will explain later.

SIRTee15:


If U are not ready to answer my question, pls don't quote me.
I'm not interested in your whataboutism

1. Give me the names of the abolitionists who fought for the global termination of slave trade.
What is their religion, what is the source of their inspiration. What book Gabe them the motivation to end the slave trade.
Start with the Quakers.

2. If bible condoned slavery, why did the slave masters omitted more than half of the bible b4 giving it to slaves to read.
Why didn't they read from the same bible since the book condoned slave trade.

If U are not ready to answer my question, pls don't quote me.

Okay lemme dance to your tune a bit

1. King George III signed the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade into law on March 25, 1807, making the slave trade illegal in the British Empire starting May 1, 1807
2. So what part of the Bible was omitted?
Btw, the Bible as you know it, is not complete. Lots of unsavory stuff was removed, yet you call it the word of god

SIRTee15:


THE OPINION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE ENDED SLAVERY IN AMERICA. HE DECLARED THE PROCLAMATION OF EMANCIPATION WHICH CRIMINALISE SLAVERY AND MADE IT ILLEGAL TO TRADE IN SLAVES.

IF U THINK I SHOULD IGNORE THE OPINION OF SUCH INDIVIDUAL AND FOLLOW YOURS, THEN SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT MOTIVATED ABRAHAM LINCOLN TO END SLAVERY EVEN IF IT MEANT GOING TO WAR. WHAT BOOK INSPIRED HIM TO FIGHT AGAINST SLAVERY TO THE END.

WE NEED TO KNOW. DONT TELL ME OTHERWISE.

So what motivated Lincoln? His conscience? Please don't say the Bible cos there was nothing written in it that could have made Lincoln change

SIRTee15:


I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

Same shit I hear when I accuse Muslims that they are terrorists.
All I hear is those terrorists are not true Muslims.
Classical No True Scotsman Fallacy.
OWN UP YOUR OWN SHIT, BRO

jaephoenix:

So what motivated Lincoln? His conscience? Please don't say the Bible cos there was nothing written in it that could have made Lincoln change

So then why did he mention the bible motivated him.
That's the question I've been asking all U and I can't get any response.

Abolitionists claimed they were motivated by the bible. Why the bible if it condones slavery.

Anyway I already answered the question.
Check my other posts.