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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:15pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:


We are both saying the same thing.
Yank off the pages of the bible u don't like and push an agenda with the rest.
Is that not what adeniyi was trying to do here until he started convulsing on the 2 questions I asked him and couldn't go any further.
He came here and started yarping bible condone slavery conveniently ignoring passages that clearly condemns it including a whole book in the bible dedicated to emancipation of slaves

Dishonest people abound on both sides of every argument.

Since some think slaves are not worth to decide for themselves if slavery is wrong or not if they read the whole bible.
So I guess some dishonest creatures choose to decide for them.
What book was that, and can you quote it
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:22pm On Sep 25
NNTR:
Mark 10:5
But Jesus said to them,
“Because of your hardness of hearts
[your callousness and insensitivity toward your wives and the provision of God]
he wrote you this precept.
(i.e. “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied)


Matthew 19:8
Jesus replied,
“Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts,
but it was not what God had originally intended.


Beloved, just because everybody did/does slavery, didnt/doesnt mean slavery's right nor does it mean that, God had slavery originally intended or planned.

Now, my right honourable gentleman, it will be very, very intellectually dishonest of you, to try to take away the credit from God, that God came on board the slavery scene, by proxy Moses, not to negatively ordain slavery, but to sanitise, humanise and moralise slavery, and all trio undisputedly done with specific and unequivocally reforms

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Where in this post was any anti-slavery posture seen?
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:24pm On Sep 25
StillDtruth:


And it did not say "raid neighbors for slaves" as you had Lied.
Some Bible passages use raid, some use buy. The takeaway is that Yahweh wants Israelites to pick slaves from their neighbors. EOD

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:29pm On Sep 25
StillDtruth:


No, it is not. God's mind and Law already shows that He does not want any evil done at all.

But since man loves doing evil and will always do it, then the best thing is for Him to reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done.

For slavery comes out from the fact and natural need that man needs his fellow man to accomplish a thing which is why people employ people and will always need to employ people. What is called Labour and a big factor of of Production!

And you already know that there are good employers and their are evil employers, but no reasonable person would say it is right to wipe out employment because of evil employers.

So God issued what is now known today as Labour Laws to regulate the wickedness which employers can do without having to stop Lawful and good Labour and employment, as you see, employment is another necessary need of man equal to food, clothes and shelter

So this is you seeing God laying down Labour Laws!.


But he said a clear NO to idolatry, fornication, stealing etc. Hr even made 10 commandments about them, listing the punishments for each of them, with death sentence featuring in the punishments, but when it came to slavery he 'reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done' according to you.
You apologists should just stop already. Y'all making a bad scenario worse by your predilations grin
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 4:34pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

What book was that, and can you quote it
Book of philemon
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:37pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:
Since adeniyi65 and his advocate Lucifyre failed to answer my question, I will provide the answer.
Where did the abolitionist receive the inspiration to end slavery- THE BIBLE

The bible makes it clear SLAVE TRADE is evil and rightfully condemned it.


APOSTLE PAUL BANNED SLAVE TRADERS FROM THE CHURCH.

1 Timothy 1
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine


THE BOOK OF REVELATION REVEALS SLAVE TRADERS ARE BOUND FOR HELL.
Revelation 18
When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.


GOD INSTRUCTED TO PUT DEATH ANY SLAVE KIDNAPPER OR WHOEVER FORCEFULLY ENSLAVE SOMEONE.
Exodus 21
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.


From the above its pretty clear the whole atlantic slave trade and the transaharan slave trade was evil IN THE EYES OF GOD and all those who partook in it are bound for hell.
100% of slaves taken out of Africa were kidnapped, forcefully enslaved, beaten to submission and traded in open market as cargoes.

BIBLE CONDEMNED IT AND MAKES IT CLEAR ABOVE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. THE ABOLITIONIST WERE THUS RIGHT TO USE THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE END TO SLAVE TRADE.

adeniyi and Lucifyre, this is the answer u fail to provide.

Now that we know enforced slavery is wrong, what about voluntary slavery- people who choose to be slaves. This is where the issue of bondservant comes in. I will explain later, time to go to work.
1.
Same Paul that made below quotes…

Titus 2:9-10
New International Version
9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive

1 Timothy 6:1-2
New International Version
6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves

Colossians 3:22-24
New International Version
22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving

In Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ".[96] Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22–24, 1 Timothy 6:1–2, and Titus 2:9–10.[

2.
There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves from conquered peoples permanently, and the Israelites could sell themselves into slavery temporarily to pay off debts (Exod 21:2-11; Lev 25:44-46). The other five passages are in the New Testament, where slavery as a social institution is endorsed and slaves are called to obey their masters “in everything” (Eph 6:5-9; Col 3:22-4:1; 1 Tim 6:1-2; Tit 2:9-10; 1 Pet 2:18-20).

Owning slaves was seen as a sign of God’s blessing (Gen 12:16; 24:35; Isa 14:1-2), and there are literally dozens of passages in the Bible that speak of slavery in passing, without comment. Slavery was simply part of life, and most people saw it as just the way things always were, even the divinely ordained order of things.And yes, in case there is any doubt, this was real slavery: “the slave is the owner’s property” (Exod 21:21). The Law of Moses in particular called for better treatment of fellow Israelites as slaves and poorly treatment of non-Israelite slaves. But slaves could be beaten (Exod 21:20-21; 1 Pet 2:18-20), and slaves could be taken as concubines (Gen 16:3-4; Exod 21:8-11) or even raped without serious consequence (Lev 19:20-22).

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:40pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:
adeniyi65 and Lucifyre

U now see why the slave masters in America had to give a different bible to the slaves.
because if the slaves were given the REAL BIBLE, they will know that they were being enslaved against their will and the bible condemned such practice.
If anything bible commands such slave masters to be killed and sent straight to hell. Anyone who forces someone into slavery should be killed.
This will provide the slaves a justifiable and valid reason to rebel against their present status.

When Haitian slaves successfully rebelled, they killed their slaves masters who enslaved them against their will.
The American counterparts realise this and quickly produce an alternate bible for their own slaves and removed evidence that could be used against them from the bible.

So this issue has been thrashed. It's let for U just to embrace the truth or reject it.

Now what does the bible say about those who choose to enter slavery voluntarily. I will explain later.
Where is this 'real Bible' you have been masturbating about since?

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:43pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:


So then why did he mention the bible motivated him.
That's the question I've been asking all U and I can't get any response.

Abolitionists claimed they were motivated by the bible. Why the bible if it condones slavery.

Anyway I already answered the question.
Check my other posts.
Lol 😆
If someone said he beat his wife up and it was the water he took that intoxicated him, would you believe him? Especially if the said water has been tested for alcohol and none found?
That is the point you're making. The Bible was at most soft on slavery, but hard on other sins, even listed them in his 10 commandments
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 4:44pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:

Book of philemon
the whole book or chapter?
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 4:57pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

the whole book or chapter?
Philemon is a book in the bible. It doesn't matter the number of chapters!!!
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 5:00pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Lol 😆
If someone said he beat his wife up and it was the water he took that intoxicated him, would you believe him? Especially if the said water has been tested for alcohol and none found?
That is the point you're making. The Bible was at most soft on slavery, but hard on other sins, even listed them in his 10 commandments

Seriously U not making sense. What has alcohol and beating your wife got to do with the bible.
U comparing a good cause with someone beating his wife.

Mr Man, if U don't have answer to my question, keep quiet or at best read my answer. I already replied.

IF BIBLE CONDONE SLAVERY, WHY WERE THE ABOLITIONISTS MOTIVATED BY THE SAME BIBLE.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 5:18pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

But he said a clear NO to idolatry, fornication, stealing etc. Hr even made 10 commandments about them, listing the punishments for each of them, with death sentence featuring in the punishments, but when it came to slavery he 'reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done' according to you.
You apologists should just stop already. Y'all making a bad scenario worse by your predilations grin

Is there any need to be obtained from idols? No.

Or are you not crying because your politicians steal the communual resources and defile your wives and bethrothed with fornications and adultery?

Wheras, you have need for Labour as a factor of production, contract, service and delivery of goods hence why till the world ends Labour, Employment and Labour Law would always be relevant.

And even as at yesterday you people are still crying out to be slaves employed up to the point that it is now you people who are slave trading yourselves to go to foreign lands so that they could inslave you.


https://www.nairaland.com/8221937/nigerias-unemployment-rate-rises-5.3#132146738

So clearly, you have nothing reasonable to say .

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 5:30pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Some Bible passages use raid, some use buy. The takeaway is that Yahweh wants Israelites to pick slaves from their neighbors. EOD

Only bibles made by devils say "raid" arid "slaves".

And the bottomline is that we see God establishing Labour Laws because man needs Labour as a factor of production, contract and employment.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 5:44pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:

Philemon is a book in the bible. It doesn't matter the number of chapters!!!
You expect me to read the whole book of Philemon in a bid to hunt down the verse that is anti-slavery?
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 5:46pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

1.
Same Paul that made below quotes…

Titus 2:9-10
New International Version
9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive

1 Timothy 6:1-2
New International Version
6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves

Colossians 3:22-24
New International Version
22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving

In Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ".[96] Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22–24, 1 Timothy 6:1–2, and Titus 2:9–10.[

2.
There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves from conquered peoples permanently, and the Israelites could sell themselves into slavery temporarily to pay off debts (Exod 21:2-11; Lev 25:44-46). The other five passages are in the New Testament, where slavery as a social institution is endorsed and slaves are called to obey their masters “in everything” (Eph 6:5-9; Col 3:22-4:1; 1 Tim 6:1-2; Tit 2:9-10; 1 Pet 2:18-20).

Owning slaves was seen as a sign of God’s blessing (Gen 12:16; 24:35; Isa 14:1-2), and there are literally dozens of passages in the Bible that speak of slavery in passing, without comment. Slavery was simply part of life, and most people saw it as just the way things always were, even the divinely ordained order of things.And yes, in case there is any doubt, this was real slavery: “the slave is the owner’s property” (Exod 21:21). The Law of Moses in particular called for better treatment of fellow Israelites as slaves and poorly treatment of non-Israelite slaves. But slaves could be beaten (Exod 21:20-21; 1 Pet 2:18-20), and slaves could be taken as concubines (Gen 16:3-4; Exod 21:8-11) or even raped without serious consequence (Lev 19:20-22).


Yapping yapping yapping.
Tell me what God the bible said about the type of slavery the op is talking about- enforced slavery.

Did God approve of kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery.
Would God have approved of the trans Atlantic slave trade and the trans Sahara slave trade. This is the one the op brought up here.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 5:49pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:


Seriously U not making sense. What has alcohol and beating your wife got to do with the bible.
U comparing a good cause with someone beating his wife.

Mr Man, if U don't have answer to my question, keep quiet or at best read my answer. I already replied.

IF BIBLE CONDONE SLAVERY, WHY WERE THE ABOLITIONISTS MOTIVATED BY THE SAME BIBLE.
Since you have a brain of a 5 yo and don't understand the analogy, lemme break it down.
A man(Lincoln) said he beat his wife(abolition of slavery) after he took water(read the bible) even though water is not alcoholic (the Bible doesn't hate slavery)
Do you need more explanation, Junior?

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 5:51pm On Sep 25
StillDtruth:


Is there any need to be obtained from idols? No.

Or are you not crying because your politicians steal the communual resources and defile your wives and bethrothed with fornications and adultery?

Wheras, you have need for Labour as a factor of production, contract, service and delivery of goods hence why till the world ends Labour, Employment and Labour Law would always be relevant.

And even as at yesterday you people are still crying out to be slaves employed up to the point that it is now you people who are slave trading yourselves to go to foreign lands so that they could inslave you.


https://www.nairaland.com/8221937/nigerias-unemployment-rate-rises-5.3#132146738

So clearly, you have nothing reasonable to say .
Wtf are you talking about? Looks like your psychosis has kicked in again
You mumble rubbish when a case against you is bad, in a bid to slip off. I can see through your bullshit, psycho

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 5:52pm On Sep 25
StillDtruth:


Only bibles made by devils say "raid" arid "slaves".

And the bottomline is that we see God establishing Labour Laws because man needs Labour as a factor of production, contract and employment.
You keep on alluding that versions of the Bible is written by the devil. This is not the first time you're making this claim. I'm sure you don't know the implications of that narrative
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 5:54pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:



Yapping yapping yapping.
Tell me what God the bible said about the type of slavery the op is talking about- enforced slavery.

Did God approve of kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery.
Would God have approved of the trans Atlantic slave trade and the trans Sahara slave trade. This is the one the op brought up here.
I expected you to read at least one passage out of those I quoted , but you obviously didn't read one, if you did, you would have seen where Yahweh clearly instructed Israelites to raid cities and capture their citizens for slavery, and take their virgins for themselves. That is forced labor and sexual assault same exact thing Boko Haram and other terrorists do. So Yahweh is a terrorist god
Keep dodging the truth

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 5:56pm On Sep 25
adeniyi65:
Islam tried to mitigate or subdue in some cases. But it still accept having non believers as slavery but regulates their treatment. My question still remain, why should God who creates human want some in captivity of others. Irrespective of how lenient Islam stand on slavery, nothing is there to write about on the subjugation of girl/women right. It's like both religions have their different concentration on horror.

If abolitionist haven't fought tooth and nail to end slavery. Religion might still be smiling at it today. Thank you.

The answer is simple. Avaricious and violent types found the use of force to steal the labor and property of others to be a beneficial thing for them. They made slavery a standard their religions and customs to protect their own selfish interests. A god allows what its creators agree with; therefore, the god in the Bible’s character is a reflection of the people that created it.
The sooner you realize that gods are just characters in stories or are just plain old nonsense, the quicker you can solve your dilemma.
In short, god didn’t say shit.

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 6:00pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

You keep on alluding that versions of the Bible is written by the devil. This is not the first time you're making this claim. I'm sure you don't know the implications of that narrative

Of course. It is from an evil mind that wicked perversions come from.

And of course devils love changing Truths into a Lie, so.this is expected.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 6:04pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Yahweh clearly instructed Israelites to raid cities and capture their citizens for slavery, and take their virgins for themselves. That is forced labor and sexual assault
Keep dodging the truth

Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodlust and madness in their religion are glossed over and excused.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would be viewed, ACCURATELY, as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 6:05pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Wtf are you talking about? Looks like your psychosis has kicked in again
You mumble rubbish when a case against you is bad, in a bid to slip off. I can see through your bullshit, psycho

Clearly you are describing what is happening to you because you have nothing reasonable to say after my response and you just reporting that you have gone mad because you see you have nothing to valid to say on this issue at all.

And the bottomline is that we see God establishing Labour Laws because man needs Labour as a factor of production, contract and employment.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 6:12pm On Sep 25
KnownUnknown:


Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their cunt mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodthirst and madness in their religion.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would not be viewed as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

It is you who is so evil that of course every Judgment against evil people like you makes you shout out in pain and frustration like a thief on the day He is Caught red handed for you thought you were too smart and had escaped with your crimes.

Which reasonable person cannot see that a good Ruler must be an enemy of evil and is a Just Judge who must give damages to a complainant?

Only atheists do not appreciate Law, Just is and.Judgment.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 6:27pm On Sep 25
StillDtruth:


It is you who is so evil that of course every Judgment against evil people like you makes you shout out in pain and frustration like a thief on the day He is Caught red handed for you thought you were too smart and had escaped with your crimes.

Which reasonable person cannot see that a good Ruler must be an enemy of evil and is a Just Judge who must give damages to a complainant?

Only atheists do not appreciate Law, Just is and.Judgment.


Bla bla bla.

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 6:53pm On Sep 25
KnownUnknown:


Bla bla bla.

Exactly the unreasonable thing you are saying.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by NNTR: 7:34pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:
Where in this post was any anti-slavery posture seen?
I dont follow you, so please advise:
1. How you mean 'Where in this post was any anti-slavery posture seen?'
2. Which post in reference are you asking?
3. Whose post n reference are you asking?
4. Where in scripture do you see God ordains slavery (i.e. as claimed by OP on the thread 's subject heading title) or ever ordained slavery please?

Think carefully before answering question #4 please and even give same question #4, deep & extra thought before putting forward pretext bible verse(s) to base your opinion on

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Lucifyre: 7:40pm On Sep 25
KnownUnknown:


Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodthirst and madness in their religion are glossed over and excused.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would not be viewed as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

Apt as fvck, extremely delusional and as well confidently ignorant.😅 Pot criticizing kettle.

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Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 7:50pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Since you have a brain of a 5 yo and don't understand the analogy, lemme break it down.
A man(Lincoln) said he beat his wife(abolition of slavery) after he took water(read the bible) even though water is not alcoholic (the Bible doesn't hate slavery)
Do you need more explanation, Junior?

This is the most idiotic analogy I have ever seen.
That's why I hate debating U.
Is beating your wife a good cause to start with.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 7:54pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

I expected you to read at least one passage out of those I quoted , but you obviously didn't read one, if you did, you would have seen where Yahweh clearly instructed Israelites to raid cities and capture their citizens for slavery, and take their virgins for themselves. That is forced labor and sexual assault same exact thing Boko Haram and other terrorists do. So Yahweh is a terrorist god
Keep dodging the truth

Quote the verse here or keep shut up.
I brought all my verse here.
U are so annoying ....

In case U dont know....king George who signed the emancipation of slavery called those who used the bible to justify slavery as mad people.
He was head of the church of England when he banned slavery.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 7:55pm On Sep 25
jaephoenix:

Since you have a brain of a 5 yo and don't understand the analogy, lemme break it down.
A man(Lincoln) said he beat his wife(abolition of slavery) after he took water(read the bible) even though water is not alcoholic (the Bible doesn't hate slavery)
Do you need more explanation, Junior?

This is the most idiotic analogy I have ever seen.
That's why I hate debating U.
Is beating your wife a good cause to start with.

Someone who beat his wife should be jailed irrespective of his motivation.
I don't understand why your dumb brain couldn't tell U that.
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Lucifyre: 8:01pm On Sep 25
SIRTee15:
Since adeniyi65 and his advocate Lucifyre failed to answer my question, I will provide the answer.
Where did the abolitionist receive the inspiration to end slavery- THE BIBLE

The bible makes it clear SLAVE TRADE is evil and rightfully condemned it.


APOSTLE PAUL BANNED SLAVE TRADERS FROM THE CHURCH.

1 Timothy 1
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine


THE BOOK OF REVELATION REVEALS SLAVE TRADERS ARE BOUND FOR HELL.
Revelation 18
When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.


GOD INSTRUCTED TO PUT DEATH ANY SLAVE KIDNAPPER OR WHOEVER FORCEFULLY ENSLAVE SOMEONE.
Exodus 21
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.


From the above its pretty clear the whole atlantic slave trade and the transaharan slave trade was evil IN THE EYES OF GOD and all those who partook in it are bound for hell.
100% of slaves taken out of Africa were kidnapped, forcefully enslaved, beaten to submission and traded in open market as cargoes.

BIBLE CONDEMNED IT AND MAKES IT CLEAR ABOVE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. THE ABOLITIONIST WERE THUS RIGHT TO USE THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE END TO SLAVE TRADE.

adeniyi and Lucifyre, this is the answer u fail to provide.

Now that we know enforced slavery is wrong, what about voluntary slavery- people who choose to be slaves. This is where the issue of bondservant comes in. I will explain later, time to go to work.

What's the definition of condemned in your dictionary. Cause these are certainly not condemnations but outright endorsements.


1 Peter 2:18
Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.

1 Timothy 6:1 6
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Leviticus>44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, **and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21 v 7-11
And if a man sells his daughter to be a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

There's many more in Exodus, Deut and Leviticus, anf in Deut it clearly states how the Isrealites are not to be treated as slaves like the foreigners, so wth. This is npt even considering other babrbaric incidents, as well as plain hypocrisy and contradictions.

Didn't even see Jaephoenix had already done justice, all those are what?! Condemnations indeed 😅. All these ignorant theists sef, read your frigging bible.

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