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Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by justlove91(m): 9:10am On Sep 21, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:I don't care one bit who Christians are, their assignment or the result of their work.
I don't care if you're a Christian, Muslim, Jehovah witness or any other religions, if you prioritize belief over character, then you're all the same to me. So, sorry you're still down there with the rest of the folks. Or am I wrong to conclude that Jehovah witnesses also prioritize belief over character?
You're still confusing my use of the word Lord to mean God, my use of the word equates more to mean Master instead of God. So, instead of saying Lord Buddha I may as well say Master Buddha but that doesn't sound cool as Lord Buddha 1 Like |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:33pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
justlove91: The funny thing here is how you said you don't care one bit who Christians are their assignments or the result of their work. OK but you want to call Buddha your Master or Lord. Abeg what work did this Buddha gave you that you're doing so that you now refer to it as Lord or Master? |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by justlove91(m): 3:19pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:I really don't, just as I don't also care who the real Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu etc are, their assignments or the result of their work. Lord Buddha is not my Lord, God or Master, just someone that I love his teachings on the cause of human mental suffering. Work? Abeg o, Lord Buddha did not give anybody work to do for him, he just offered his teachings and anyone that his teachings resonate with can decide to leave by it. I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking. Do you think I worship him because I call him Lord?? |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:16pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
justlove91:Below is what you yourself typed: justlove91:You only need to tell me the result of your INVESTIGATION because i was talking about GOD not just what you want to substitute for my God yet you don't worship it nor have anything doing for it! |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by justlove91(m): 7:54pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: My question about an investigation leading to another version of God is not really about me, just asking on behalf of someone out there, this was made apparent when I asked you the question again here Hope that clears things up, I already told you the two things I'm interested in and God is not among. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:02pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
justlove91:And i confidently answered you that apart from the Bible God there is none elsewhere! Psalms 86:8 So allow the worshipers to speak because they themselves have been SILENCED before the one and only true God! Psalms 115:4-8 justlove91:That means you and i have nothing to discuss as i am here to discuss with people about the one and only true God JEHOVAH. "WHY I STOPPED GOING TO CHURCH OR BELIEVING IN GOD" Above is the topic of discussion so there's no reason engaging me in the first place if you're not interested in GOD! |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 9:34pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
Wainey: Just calm down. I will give you the right answers shortly. You asked the wrong person. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by justlove91(m): 10:17pm On Sep 21, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:Fair enough |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:46am On Sep 22, 2024 |
justlove91:Fair enough right? That's the word! What most of you often concludes is that every religionist is deluded and have nothing in their brains as they've been brainwashed from childhood but you're wrong real disciples of Christ Jesus are the most intelligent of all humans on planet earth. There are many Gods and Lords for real {1Corinthians 8:5} but there is just one God the Bible God and one Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. From our discussion so far i can see that you're fed up with different mythologies from religions and that's normal but that doesn't mean you've known it all a thorough investigation on religion will help you a lot. The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so when you see humans numbering thousands having the same line of thought on something don't just think it's coincidental there is a spirit force behind such oneness but it's the purpose of the supreme being that's directing them that will help you to know if such a spirit is the true God or false. The true God has a purpose: uniting all humans so that they are able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under His authority {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what the Bible God promised to do and today He is fulfilling it not by military service rather He is using His Active Force (Holy Spirit) to gather all right thinking humans! Zechariah 4:6 Let any religionist step forward to prove it that they have a God in their midst that also has a purpose like the Bible God who is able to gather obedient humans throughout the earth under one umbrella using one spirit leader to direct them Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 23:8-10 May you have PEACE! |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 8:21am On Sep 23, 2024 |
Lemos14:You have no proof then. Right, take a walk |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 8:31am On Sep 23, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:1. What is free will? It's when someone is given multiple choices without consequences. If I tell you to choose between apple and orange and I tell you the orange is poisoned, would you still choose the orange? No. You have left the person no choice. Your god said if you don't worship him, u die. So that's not a choice 2. Its specifically stated in the Bible. The versions you guys didnt adulterate 3. So who made such a complex entity known as god, since you said everything is created. Lemme also shock you. There are some organs in the body without purpose, but that is for another day |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 8:33am On Sep 23, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:Did you investigate the claim that Santa Claus exists? So why don't you believe he exists? |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:45pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
jaephoenix:Has Santa Claus stopped people worshiping it from raising weapons and going to wars? |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Aemmyjah(m): 2:34pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
jaephoenix: 2. Where? 3. 😂. You think that 'entity' must be made of matter in time? You no well They have no purpose or their purposes is not yet known? There are organs in the body once said to have no purpose but it's now understood like wisdom tooth, tonsils, appendix and since you're a doctor as you claim to be (I think you're a domestic worker in a hospital making you feel you're a doctor), you'll not haverealized this. The function of other cells, tissues and organs are still unclear and under research Nonsense 1. If you're indeed in your 50s, you should show it. Does a parent not have right to warn his children? Do manufacturers of complex equipment not also warn users? Living life that does not please God is bad to one self and harms others. You expect God to clap hands for you cos you choose not to serve him. God is holy and anyone who does not want to please him take sides with Satan. If we really owe our lives to him and very existence, should we feel threatened that the way we choose to live our life has an ultimate price? Even you as a citizen of Nigeria must abide to some laws or face consequences for breaking it. Your reasoning is not always sound |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Aemmyjah(m): 2:35pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
jaephoenix: Don't be ridiculous You know the history of Santa Claus |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 7:24pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:ur statement contradicts the bible in John 3, where it stated that if we don't believe in Jesus, we will perish, also Pharaoh is not wicked, it's God that hardened his heart just to destroy him. 3. Every complex object or everything that is made has a purpose. Your brain has a purpose. Your car has a purpose. Your TV has a purpose. And all these must be used right according to the instructions of the Maker for them to function properly. Similarly, I know that I am made and that is very logical and reasonable and for me to be truly happy - physically, morally, spiritually, etc, I must live my life in a way that is in accord to that of what Jehovah God himself wanted. Yes, man must live by God's word since we're not like animalsThat ur Jehovah God actually supports slavery, do u agree with him on that too? Again, even if God torment in hellfire, I'll rather serve him with fear to attain him blessings than accept by some so called scientists that life has no purpose, good, design, difference. Is that appealing to you?Science never claimed life has no purpose, u made that up. Ur God is an asinine dïck, if he will torture people that doesn't believe of his existence when he couldn't give us evidence of his existence |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Aemmyjah(m): 9:04pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Wainey: 1. To believe in Jesus is a choice right? Did everyone believe in him? Even some who believe in him betrayed him and left him The Bible said perish or to be destroyed 2. God did not harden Pharaoh heart as that will make him share in what happened and a sadist. Pharaoh was an arrogant king and blasphemer and wicked and saw himself as a god. Why would he want yield to an invisible God of his semitic slaves? God allowed his heart to be stubborn Poor Bible translations say God hardened his heart 3. Be reasonable. It was not God's plan in the begining. But he allowed it as was common among the orientals but slaves were never mistreated. If we were to equate it, even your househelp, your nanny, your cook, your drive, your gatekeeper is a slave. The army is a slave, etc 4. God does not torture anyone in hellfire. Hellfire is not a Bible teaching 5. Science says that the universe and life came by chance, or by chaos or by evolution or by mindless process or accident. Religious people believe that life and the universe is a product or the mind. Can anything that came by chaos have a purpose? God evidence of his existence is clearer than sunlight but blind minded people like you will not see |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 9:20pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Wainey: Response to Point No 1. First, the communication language of centuries back and now are not the same. Second, God couldn't stop Satan from afflicting Job because Satan was legally the god of this world. This is why God told Satan, "..all that he hath is in thy power..(Job 1:12). The only way God could have stopped Satan is if there was a covenant between Him and Job. Third, it was Job himself who opened the door for attack on his life through fear: Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Digest this one first. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 6:19am On Sep 24, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:Bruh, God went to satan and place a bet with satan at the detriment of Job. Also if God couldn't stop Satan that he created, then God is not all powerful as the bible says. He is a weak villain who only torture humans. Someone who did this to a fellow human has no right to teach me about morals 1 Like
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Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 6:33am On Sep 24, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:not believing in Jesus is not a choice, it comes with a bizzare punishment, the greatest punishment one could imagine. 2. God did not harden Pharaoh heart as that will make him share in what happened and a sadist. Pharaoh was an arrogant king and blasphemer and wicked and saw himself as a god. Why would he want yield to an invisible God of his semitic slaves? God allowed his heart to be stubbornExod 4:20 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. 3. Be reasonable. It was not God's plan in the begining. But he allowed it as was common among the orientals but slaves were never mistreated. If we were to equate it, even your househelp, your nanny, your cook, your drive, your gatekeeper is a slave. The army is a slave, etcGod saved the whites when they were slaves in Africa and destroyed pharoah but allowed the blacks to be tortured in the hands of the whites without saving us. Seems like God is a racist, no wonder pictures on church windows always depicts Angels to be white and Satan to be black. I will follow such a religion. 4. God does not torture anyone in hellfire. Hellfire is not a Bible teachingHell is a bible teaching, do you even read ur bible? 5. Science says that the universe and life came by chance, or by chaos or by evolution or by mindless process or accident. Religious people believe that life and the universe is a product or the mind. Can anything that came by chaos have a purpose?Science says the universe came as a result of a big bang which which keeps expanding, every life was formed from the the basic elements Carbon,Hydrogen,Oxygen and nitrogen. It says every life has a common ancestry. It never said life came through chaos, I don't know where you got that. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 9:10am On Sep 24, 2024 |
Wainey: God didn't go to Satan. Read the encounter below; Job 1:6-12 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and SATAN CAME ALSO AMONG THEM. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. note 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. note 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. SO SATAN WENT FORTH FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD. Verse 6 says, 'SATAN CAME ALSO AMONG THEM'. While verse 12 said, 'SO SATAN WENT FORTH FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD'. So, let's agree on this first before I go further to debunk your other claims. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 9:15am On Sep 24, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:So Satan can actually visit and dine with God and still they could bet on themselves using earthlings as the cost, and we that are his children have been calling him yet he is deaf to our prayers. And yet we inherited Satan as an enemy of God? How impressive. Fvck God and fvck Satan. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 9:56am On Sep 24, 2024 |
Wainey: Calm down and get the true picture. At least, you agree with me that it was Satan who went to God. In the things of the spirit, there are laws and God himself being just cannot violate that law. Satan was formerly known as Lucifer in heaven before he fell and was cast down to earth. He lost his exalted position in heaven but did not lose his influence or power he gained. But he has restrictions until he is finally judged. In addition, Adam sold out his dominion to Satan when he ate the forbidden fruit. This is how Satan became the god of this world even till date. This even gave him more power and access to the presence of God. By virtue of the power he gained from Adam, all mankind are under his power including Job. But Job applied some spiritual principles that gave him protection. Job also foolishly exposed himself by walking in fear. So, it was this fear that gave access to Satan. God permitted it because He has no legal ground to stop Satan. As for why God placed the forbidden tree in the Garden, man need to be tested. You don't build an educational institution without examination structure. Man will have to be tested to move up to higher level of maturity and trust. I believe that tree was for a purpose but the time hasn't come. God would have permitted them to eat it when the time of judgment comes for Satan to be judged. If not, they won't understand the wrong Satan did. Just calm down, I will answer all your questions. If you don't, you will die and go to hell. And it will be regrets upon regrets |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 1:24pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:Bruh, I will not die and go to hell, that story is bullshit fabricated by the whites to keep Africans in fear with no form of retaliation. Do you know that NASA won't employ anyone that is very religious, you can't pray when it is time for space exploration else you will be fired? The people who brought Christianity to you do not value christianity |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 5:24pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
Wainey: You can't stop Satan from claiming your soul at death because you choose to serve him. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 8:19pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:Bruh, I don't serve Satan. That Satan is a character created by God in ur fictional story to torment only christians. Atheists don't even give a fvck about satan |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 10:11pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
Wainey: Anyone who does not believe in Jesus is a child of Satan and will end up in hell fire prepared for Satan. You don't have the spiritual power to stop it. Satan has power of you. Only those in Christ are safe. Don't joke with your life. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Wainey: 10:17pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:delusional. Satan could have power over you, not everyone. But even if I have to choose between Devil and that ur war loving narcissistic villain called called God who will torment you for all eternity. Bruh I'll chose satan |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by Ken4Christ: 7:57am On Sep 26, 2024 |
Wainey: You didn't need to choose him. You already belong to him. The whole mankind was under his dominion because of the transgression of Adam. Jesus came to redeem us. So, only those in Christ are redeemed from the power of Satan. |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 4:05pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:Dont be ridiculous. Many people still believe in Santa Claus. So please answer my question |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 4:22pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:1. What does the highlighted mean? You have started this… gibberish 2. Every Bible translation EXCEPT your own says Yahweh hardened Pharaoh's mind. By the way, where did your sect translate your Bible from? Also what exactly did your translation say? 3. The difference is this. The slaves advocated in your Bible were abducted from their homes, often beaten, made to work against their will, cannot decide to become free, are not paid etc. Can my maid, cook decide to stop work? Yes. Are they paid ?Yes. Can I beat them without going to prison for assault? Yes. Are soldiers paid? Yes. Were they forced to become soldiers? No See, all this dancing around you guys are doing, won't help your cause. Even the blind can see u r out of your depth in this one 4. There are many verses of hellfire in the Bible. You can twist it all you want, but its there 5. Science says that the universe and life came by chance, and by evolution. And there are evidences which I have given you several times |
Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by jaephoenix(m): 4:33pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
Ken4Christ:WTF DID I JUST READ? 1. What do you mean the communication language changed? Be explicit 2. So satan is the god of this world and not Yahweh again? I hopes your fellow Christians won't stone you for this heresy. So Yahweh created Satan, gave him power, and lost control over him? Btw, wasn't is Yahweh that actually told Satan to attack Job? It was clearly written there he taunted Satan to attack Job 3. Which fear? The verse you quoted said that Job was afraid of the future. This is the complete verse "… have no peace, no quietness; I have no rest, but only turmoil" So stop twisting the story to suit your narrative |
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