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Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 8:02pm On Sep 25 |
KnownUnknown: All your shalaye means nothing. If U want to enter the arena, come with logical argument not ones coated with emotions. Your friend adeniyi65 came here and claimed the bible tacitly supports the transatlantic slave trade and enslavement of black people. I used the bible and historical evidence to destroy his argument and wound him off the ring. He's yet to recover. I produce biblical evidence that showed kidnapping of people for slavery and forced enslavement of people is evil and all those who participate in such are bound for hell. U can continue is rant, it's a free world. But truth remains the truth. Simple. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 8:11pm On Sep 25 |
SIRTee15: Lmao, the bloody irony!! Person whose position is wholly based on irrational, illogical, blatant nonsense talking about a logical argument. 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Lucifyre: 8:18pm On Sep 25 |
SIRTee15: Deut 20 is what?! Petting them as kings abi😃 All the people they destroyed their cities and took them hostage are what?! On the side how did they ever find out which women were virgins to take for spoils, if not through sexual assault, not even considering the rape. Abegi 2 Likes |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 8:20pm On Sep 25 |
KnownUnknown: Present your argument or shut up. Don't waste anybody's time here. Your friend brought a so called logical argument praising abolitionist for ending slavery but couldn't explain why the same abolitionists used the bible as motivation to end slavery. Your other colleague jaephonix claimed it was king George that ended slavery but didn't know same person was the head of the church at his time and criticized those who used the bible to justify slavery. To make things worse, he compared war against slavery to someone beating his wife. Bunch of illogical jokers claiming atheist. Simple and basic research U won't do. Una saving grace be internet. None of U can stand me for 5 minutes face to face in any theological argument. This is the 3rd page of this debate but none of them could answer any of my 2 simple questions. 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 8:48pm On Sep 25 |
StillDtruth:Really? So Yahweh allowed the devil, his own creation to lie in his book, thereby deceiving his people? By the way, how do you know the lies and the truthful bibles, since there is no standard to compare to? You see |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 9:00pm On Sep 25 |
StillDtruth:So Yahweh established labor laws for people that have been kidnapped and made to work against their will? You keep twisting and turning to escape the truth 2 Likes |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 9:02pm On Sep 25 |
SIRTee15: Why are you giving yourself agita? The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by MrPresident1: 9:43pm On Sep 25 |
NNTR: kobojunkie aka nntr, God says slavery is forever, and the Bible tells us this Isaiah 14:2. The first are becoming last very soon, and the last are becoming first. Lazarus will own the table; and the dry bones of Israel, currently curating in the sun of ham, shall rise again. That place you quoted is for sons and not for future slaves. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 10:10pm On Sep 25 |
KnownUnknown: Ok he be like say U are more honest than your colleagues. U admitted bible spoke against slavery but also spoke for it. So then we can have a honest debate unlike your dishonest colleagues who tore off pages of the bible they don't like and only want to talk about passages that push their sinister agenda. They are no different from American slave masters who also removed pages of the bible they dont like;(threatens their slave business)b4 handing it to slaves. I'm a sincere and open person, a truth seeker. I'm very much open to alternative ideology even if it antagonize my belief. The issue it whoever presenting it must equally be open and sincere. I didn't find it in adeniyi the monicker who started this thread. Slavery was very much established in the constitution given to Israelites and very much rampant during early Christian ministry- almost 20% of the Roman population were slaves. The question we should ask is why was it acceptable then and not now. I will explain later. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by KnownUnknown: 10:15pm On Sep 25 |
SIRTee15: I have no colleagues. Save your explanation. Not remotely interested in your musings. 3 Likes |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by adeniyi65(m): 8:44am On Sep 26 |
StillDtruth:It's fact that civilization requires labor. Under laws that guide people; there will be people that would go against law, because of this is law created: to outlines peoples right and sanctions the aggressor. Therefore, either in slavery era or in today's world under labor law, we will always find good slave masters in the midst of bad slave masters. And bad employer in the midst of good employers. You said labor is the necessity of time. Yes it is. And you said since man inherence is to do evil, God has nothing to do than to give them law that will guides it. With that submission of yours. As God has given law to guide slavery that is inherence of man, God supposed have given laws to guide other inherence sins of man as well instead of outrightly stopping them(e g fornication). But no, God in an emphasistic manner say we should stop other inherence sins of man and continue to give law to manage slavery alone. This is a clear evidence that God is hard on other inherence sins but so soft on slavery as gruesome as it is. Labor is necessity of civilization that will continue forever, so is fornication as an example is an inherence sin of man that will continue till eternity. God should have known better to stop slavery and introduce legal labor market when he(God) was busy siding slave masters beating h_e_l_l out of slaves. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by adeniyi65(m): 11:24am On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15: yes. Law is supposed be made for all. But omini potence God that want all nations to worship him should give law to stop absurdities not to manage it. As he gives law to stop idolatry(his favorite), he supposed give law to stop slavery instead of managing slavery telling how people should treat their slaves. what is so hard in saying "DESIST FROM SLAVERY" |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by adeniyi65(m): 11:27am On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15: That is false. You quoted out of context to suit your need. Now take your reasoning cap and read from the beginning of that chapter to its end. It's only 24 verses but I will personally bring the important ones here. The chapter did not say that slave traders are bound for hell. The chapter explained the annihilation of the great city of Babylon through burning of fire. The question we should ask is why did God annihilated them? The answer is down in the last 2 verses. 23 "...By your(Babylon) magic spell all the nations were led astray. 24 In her(Babylon) was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” that's the reason while the city is pulled down. To clear it further, the verse 11-13 you brought where slaves were mentioned was not singlehandedly outlined. It was listed with every other trades carried out in Babylon burning because of God annihilating the city. If you dodge in that verse, that means God is burning those that practice other legal trades as listed there too. Here is the verse 11- 13 again, “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves. you see now that slave is not the subject there. every other trade practiced by Babylon is mentioned. Therefore the chapter has nothing to do with slave traders burning in hell. It's dedicated to babylonians for killing God's prophets, killing holy people, slaughtering people on earth and their magic spell which is leading all their neighboring nations astray. 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by adeniyi65(m): 11:49am On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15 That Exodus21 is interesting. It's the chapter that gives power to slave owners on most barbaric act in slavery, which says slave masters can beat the h*ll out of their slaves as long as they dont die because they (slaves) are their properties. What is more gruesome than that. If you have refused to be logical, will you be happy if me and you are to go back into those days and I have your children as my slaves, will you be happy if I beat sh_i_t out of them because God allowed me to do so as long as I don't kill them for you? Don't be primitive in the name of religion bro. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 11:50am On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15:Lol. Obviously the fact that I used the word analogy flew over your head. Maybe u can use the dictionary once in your life. So check up the meaning and revert. Okay, for peace to reign, lemme use the analogy of cooking a sweet soup. A woman cooks sweet soup and tells you its because someone looked at her, thats why she was able to do it Do you now understand? |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Everyday247: 11:59am On Sep 26 |
This thread still dey run? 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Adeniyiademola(m): 12:16pm On Sep 26 |
adeniyi65:It's still me Adeniyi dear SIRTee15 I could have replied you once but I have setback with uploading now through that adeniyi65 account. cc:seun the bug should be fix pls. I haven't break any rule of this platform. So, to the last part of that your argument SIRTee15: The chapter that gives you orgasm still goes further to give us law on how to buy/own slaves,(verse 2-7) and how to own more slaves by getting a wife for our slave so that their children can multiply our slaves. So pathetic, manual for capitalism of slavery . An upright person should be ashamed of this law from their God. you should be ashamed of such book as your guide through the navigation of your world. Now, down to verse 16 that you hold tight to. 16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. I will boldly stand to say that it clearly contradict verse 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,20 and 21 of the same chapter. That raises another topic of the discrepancies, contradictions and historical error of the Bible which is not for here.[/i] [b]If anyone is to be sincere to himself at this juncture, we would know that Verse 16 clearly instruct us not to have anything to do with slavery(as those kidnapped are meant for slave trade). And if people are to follow that verse, there wouldn't be need to give law on how to buy, multiply and beat slaves. There shouldn't be non ending list of how to acquire slaves, trade slaves, multiply slaves, abuse girl slaves narrated/commanded in all other verses. That's clear contradiction That's one of the clear contradiction of doctrine in the Bible.I say again and anyone who takes that kind of book as holy is a big time joker. If you use that Exodus21:16 as what inspired abolitionists to resist slavery(because they mentioned some verses that is soft on slavery in their respective books), Bible said they are liars because He(God) is the one that has laid down to humanity(law on) how to thrive and be successful in slavery industry so for abolitionists to say no to slavery is the action that came from their mind not a book on how to multiply slaves. , there is infinite number of verses that support the same slavery. If Bible chooses to be contradictory and you choose to take what pleases your doctrine out of it. It doesn't leave the book from supporting what you refused not to choose because they are still there. I still remain on my position. God ordains Slavery, and Abolitionists where driven by their reasoning not Bible. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Veecruz: 2:26pm On Sep 26 |
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Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 2:30pm On Sep 26 |
adeniyi65: The topic is Labour/slavery and you have admitted that Labour is a neccessity and because of Labour, slavery is carried out by wicked people, so this topic is settled. For the other things you complain about, threads have been raised addressing them and every reasonable person can see that they are entirely disposable and life will be very good eg on fornication, people today would not be having the fear that they are marrying whorres and whorechasers. 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 2:37pm On Sep 26 |
jaephoenix: See proof you are mad! See how you are just desperately repeating yourself and twisting like a mad person because you see you do not have any reasonable thing to say again.. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 2:47pm On Sep 26 |
jaephoenix: I believe this is your madness talking for i clearly those bibles are clearly written by devils which every normal and reasonable person knows that it means devils rewrote the bible according to their evil minds but a expectedly a mad person like you will definitely not understand what reasonable people know. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 3:19pm On Sep 26 |
StillDtruth:Blah blah blah See a shrink! |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 3:51pm On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15:Its nice when you decide to have tunnel vision and ignore all the glaring evidence in the form of copious Bible verses we have shown you. And you say you can argue in a theological argument? I hope the audience laugh you out of the argument seeing as you keep on dodging evidence that is weighed in against you. Now u r even using my analogy. When its clearly an analogy, and I doubt u even know what an analogy is, yet u r here vomiting rubbish that u can debate Empty headed dunderville |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 3:52pm On Sep 26 |
jaephoenix: Says the Mad person! |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 3:53pm On Sep 26 |
SIRTee15:Who gave that constitution? |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by jaephoenix(m): 3:56pm On Sep 26 |
adeniyi65:Very apt explanations Sirtee15 is dishonest in removing the context of that passage. That's his modus operandi 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 3:56pm On Sep 26 |
Lucifyre: Deuteronomy 20 is The Law of Just War, every reasonable person knows that but of course devils like you would rather have a people defenceless but that they should lie down and be inslaved, raped and plundered where you would still say tha how can God do nothing and yet His people are being killed and inslaved. So, this is a case of if God did nothing, you would abuse Him and now He did something and inpowered His people to destroy enemies and yet again you devils still speak rubbish. So, clearly its better His people keep pounding enemies like they are doing to palestine Hamas, till God Comes to finish this world, while you make stupid noises till your own destruction comes. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 4:07pm On Sep 26 |
jaephoenix: The point is that they practiced slave trade in addition to the usual trade which is normally what evil people do and they were destroyed by God for all their evils including slave trading. So, its a point and that is why the bible told us. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by StillDtruth: 4:16pm On Sep 26 |
KnownUnknown: The question is the justification valid? And the answer is "NO". Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract. So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly. SIRTee15: Slavery is not in the bible (constitution of Isreal) it is Human Rights, Law of war, Labour Law, Law of Contract etc that is there. That is why everyone is attacking you because you are not perfectly right. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by Lucifyre: 4:40pm On Sep 26 |
StillDtruth: Resident m.oron. Are u done suckling on you mother's saggy tits?! So daft not to even realise the silent treatment, spelling u a fool. 1 Like |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by SIRTee15: 4:49pm On Sep 26 |
StillDtruth: Whatever terminology U want to use, the word slavery is very much visible in the laws Moses gave to Israelites. We can't deny it. I think U should do more reading on the modality of slavery as described in the old testament. That's what causing the trouble here. People are extrapolating the definition of modern day slavery to ancient times. Anyway I will write on that later in the day. If everyone is attacking me, maybe I'm the one giving them hard time on the propaganda they trying to push here I already made the 3 bible antagonist here admit that bible spoke against slavery, something they all initially denied. The issue is now what about about verses for slavery. We already made it clear kidnapping people and selling them in slave market is immoral. So the trans Atlantic slave trade was evil. I will write on slavery by choice and war victims in the Torah later on. |
Re: God Ordains Slavery by LordReed(m): 6:18pm On Sep 26 |
Kobojunkie: Can you quote any verse in the Bible where it says the god condemned slavery. |
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