LtCZAR:
So, @OP, please ln your infinite wisdom, are you going to Add ASA people to your ABA STATE?
So you can relegate them to third class citizens?
If we are both right, The Ngwa land ended before Oguwe.
Where will you keep the ASA PEOPLE IN UKWA WEST AND UKWA EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

You dey mind them

OnoVegasBlog:


Yes that's how Anambra was created but that's not how Abia was created. Ngwa people does not have anything in common with Abia north.
Ngwa are more related to Etche and Mbaise than Abia North.

OJIOFOR DO U HEAR THIS?


MY IGBO PEOPLE ARE VERY CLANNISH, DONT BE SURPRISE THAT ONCE WE GET A CHANCE THE ENTIRE SE STATES MAY BE REALIGNED, SO PLEASE DO NOT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS.

OnoVegasBlog:
In southeastern Nigeria, there has been a growing demand for state creation. For instance, in Imo State, there is a strong movement supporting the creation of Orlu State, while in Enugu State, the push for Adada State has also gained significant traction. However, the situation in Abia State presents a unique challenge. The Ngwa people, primarily situated in the southern part of Abia, have consistently advocated for the establishment of Aba State. Despite this, a significant portion of the Abia populace opposes this move.

Interestingly, while other Abians resist the creation of a separate Aba State, there are ongoing claims that Ngwa leadership has mismanaged Abia State. This contradiction is further complicated by the fact that many who criticize the Ngwa still hesitate to allow them to stand alone and develop their envisioned state.

This brings forth a critical question: why do those who express discontent with the Ngwa people’s role in governance also resist their desire for autonomy? There seems to be a persistent attempt to maintain attachment to Ngwa land, despite the calls for separation. This paradoxical stance reflects deeper socio-political issues within the state.

Ultimately, the Ngwa people find themselves in a difficult position, one akin to being trapped in a failed union with Abia North. This relationship, marked by mistrust and division, raises a broader question: who will champion the cause of the Ngwa people and bring an end to this untenable arrangement? It is evident that a resolution is needed, one that either allows for peaceful coexistence or paves the way for the realization of the Ngwa people's dream of building their own independent state.

This is why Igbo people can not be ordinary President... or have a common international airport because of LOCAL reasoning.

"There has been a growing demand".... "there are ongoing claims"....

BULL.Sh.it

Instead of advocating for the obvious Anioma State, or a return to regional government, you are looking for another banana state that will do nothing for anybody except more divide and rule for the elites.

SILLY lol

LtCZAR:
So, @OP, please ln your infinite wisdom, are you going to Add ASA people to your ABA STATE?
So you can relegate them to third class citizens?
If we are both right, The Ngwa land ended before Oguwe.
Where will you keep the ASA PEOPLE IN UKWA WEST AND UKWA EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

That will be the choice of Ukwa people to make, I won't even mind if Umuahia and Even Mbaise to be part of it.
The problem is we don't want you guys from Abia north. You are developers go and develop Abia north.
Ngwa people know the people the share historical affiliation with and they are Umuahia (ohuhu umuahia), Ndoki, Asa, Mbaise (especially Ezilaihite) and Etche.
We don't have anything in common with you guys from Abia north.

OnoVegasBlog:

That will be the choice of Ukwa people to make, I won't even mind if Umuahia and Even Mbaise to be part of it.
The problem is we don't want you guys from Abia north. You are developers go and develop Abia north.
Ngwa people know the people the share historical affiliation with and they are Umuahia (ohuhu umuahia), Ndoki, Asa, Mbaise (especially Ezilaihite) and Etche.
We don't have anything in common with you guys from Abia north.

SINCE WHEN IS NGWA MORE RELATED TO ETCHE?

Ojiofor:


You dey mind them

HELP US OUT HERE, IS NGWA AND ETCHE RELATED?

waternogetemeny:



SINCE WHEN IS NGWA MORE RELATED TO ETCHE?

Since the existence of Ngwa.
Culture, Language (dialect), Topography, History.
The evidence is clear that we have nothing in common with Abia north but with Ndoki, Asa, Etche, Mbaise, and Ohuhu Umuahia.
We will rather prefer to be in a union with this people than Abia north.
Abia State is a failed marriage.. sustained because of the inability of Abia north to survive without Ngwa land.

Abia North claim to have invested a lot in Aba.
Lol
ORLU brothers has invested so much in Owerri yet they want a state of their own.
It shows they have got enough confidence that they can develop Orlu to premium standard.

OnoVegasBlog:

Since the existence of Ngwa.
Culture, Language (dialect), Topography, History.
The evidence is clear that we have nothing in common with Abia north but with Ndoki, Asa, Etche, Mbaise, and Ohuhu Umuahia.
We will rather prefer to be in a union with this people than Abia north.
Abia State is a failed marriage.. sustained because of the inability of Abia north to survive without Ngwa land.

Abia North claim to have invested a lot in Aba.
Lol
ORLU brothers has invested so much in Owerri yet they want a state of their own.
It shows they have got enough confidence that they can develop Orlu to premium standard.

LOL THEN WHO ARE THE OWERRI RELATED TO?

waternogetemeny:



LOL THEN WHO ARE THE OWERRI RELATED TO?

The Ikwerre of course.
Ngor Okpala is a bridge between Etche, Mbaise. Infact they are mixture of both.
I'm also aware of the rumored migration origin between Etche and Oratta (Owerri) but this is false.
Except the fact that some part of Etche find it way to Ohaji (caused by Etche elders for reason best known to them) and that this Etche people in Ohaji LGA now speak more like owerri people.

OnoVegasBlog:


You developed Aba but couldn't do same to Umuahia (the Abia State capital).
You couldn't do same to Bende, Arochuku, Ohafia yet you developed Aba.
I wish Ngwa will understand that their fate is similar to what transpired between Igbo and Ikwerre before the war..
Ngwa will be next.
Ngwa land would have been better had it been our ancestors were foresighted to follow the Ikwerre path.

You did try to follow the Ikwerre path and seize the property of non Ngwa Igbo after the war. Ukpabi Asika quashed that demonic attempt. Till today, non Ngwa Igbo who built houses in Aba still pay annual land use rent to the family that sold the land to them. Ngwa are too greedy. You stole the turn of Abia North to produce the PDP governorship candidate in the 2023 elections. Now you are writing about a purpoted Aba State as an Ngwa State totally ignoring the existence of Ukwa people. Shows what your type have in store for them: perpetual slavery and third citizenship. Your devilish plots will always fail.

seniorkachion:


You did try to follow the Ikwerre path and seize the property of non Ngwa Igbo after the war. Ukpabi Asika quashed that demonic attempt. Till today, non Ngwa Igbo who built houses in Aba still pay annual land use rent to the family that sold the land to them. Ngwa are too greedy. You stole the turn of Abia North to produce the PDP governorship candidate in the 2023 elections. Now you are writing about a purpoted Aba State as an Ngwa State totally ignoring the existence of Ukwa people. Shows what your type have in store for them: perpetual slavery and third citizenship. Your devilish plots will always fail.

Ukwa people know that you don't like them either because you don't even know the difference between Ukwa and Ngwa both in language and behavior..
It does not change the fact that we have nothing in common with you guys.

Funny enough, what if I'm from Ukwa (Asa) because most of us identify as Ngwa.
Non the less let me not digress cus that what you want.
Ukwa people are very much aware of your....
You cannot claim to love Ukwa and Hate Ngwa. .. it's like hating on Mbaise and Pretending to live Ngor Okpala..

The focal point is that Ngwa and Abia north has got nothing in common.

OnoVegasBlog:

The Ikwerre of course.
Ngor Okpala is a bridge between Etche, Mbaise. Infact they are mixture of both.
I'm also aware of the rumored migration origin between Etche and Oratta (Owerri) but this is false.

LOL OWERRI PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COPE WITH IKWERRE AND THEIR WE ARE NOT IGBO NONSENSE,


WE NEED MORE SCHOLARLY INPUT HERE, @ ChinenyeN, OfoIgbo, cheruv, Ojiofor:

LOVEALAIGBO:


Ignore this thread! It’s likely a alternate moniker of the ebubu impostor that’s behind it! His failed mission on this forum is to try and cause divisions amongst Ndigbo! Him and his bigoted ilk get sleepless nights agonising over the creation of the proposed Anioma state and it being added to the south-east, and it’s also his hateful and insecure ilk that look for, support or sponsor some greedy and compromised Ikwerre to say they’re not Igbo! You’ll also find other impostors on here pretending that Ndigbo want one state or the other created from the existing south-east! Ignore them all!

The only Igbo supporting the creation of any state other than Anioma state are doing so for selfish reasons!

You're damn right. The thread was created by an enemy of Ndigbo and his partners in crime and responding to give the thread life. This is exactly what that wasterner known as Ebubu is doing all to work against Ndigbo. Igbos on nairaland must learn how to read between the lines.
Anioma state is the choice of Ndigbo. Any other suggestion is a waste of time.

Omo no eastern governor will back Anioma state in south east.
It is to our best interest if Anioma is in South South.
Our leaders rejected Anioma in the past, the choosed Ebonyi instead. They will repeat it again.

Ojiofor:


Anambra part of the proposed Orlu state have killed the proposal as they said they are not interested through their leaders.

What does Afikpo and Abakiliki man have in common yet they were joined together from Enugu and Abia state to form a state?
At bolded
Ina ekwuzi ka onye isi mgbaka
Uche gi odi kwaya?I will learn to start ignoring some people here.

Afikpo and Abakaliki have always had commonality.

Both Afikpo and Abakaliki were part of Ogoja province with capital in Abakaliki (Ogoja, Afikpo, Abakaliki, Abam, Ugep, Obudu, etc), Afikpo and Abakaliki are the Igbo traditions observing parts so were thus reunited after they were separated into Imo and Anambra states because history had it that Afikpo migrated from Aro and Abakaliki progenitor (Ekumenyi) also migrated from Aro.

So Afikpo and Abakaliki commonality is Aro ancestry.

LadyExcellency:
The oldest state creation agitation yet to materialise is Aba State which was supposed to happen when Cross River was created on 27 May 1967 by Gowon, Imo and Anambra States were created in 1976 by Murtala Mohammed.

Anioma nko?

Ebubu2:


Afikpo and Abakaliki have always had commonality.

Both Afikpo and Abakaliki were part of Ogoja province with capital in Abakaliki (Ogoja, Afikpo, Abakaliki, Abam, Ugep, Obudu, etc), Afikpo and Abakaliki are the Igbo traditions observing parts so were thus reunited after they were separated into Imo and Anambra states because history had it that Afikpo migrated from Aro and Abakaliki progenitor (Ekumenyi) also migrated from Aro.

So Afikpo and Abakaliki commonality is Aro ancestry.

No Afikpo was part and parcel of Old Bende division both politically and culturally while Abakaliki is politically and culturally aligned with wawa Enugu people.

waternogetemeny:



HELP US OUT HERE, IS NGWA AND ETCHE RELATED?

As a southern Igbo tribe they might be related one way or the other.

Ojiofor:


As a southern Igbo tribe they might be related one way or the other.

EHN, I THOUGH ETCHE WERE RELATED TO IKWERRE OR AM I WRONG?

AND IS OWERRI REALLY RELATED TO IKWERRE?

waternogetemeny:




OJIOFOR DO U HEAR THIS?


MY IGBO PEOPLE ARE VERY CLANNISH, DONT BE SURPRISE THAT ONCE WE GET A CHANCE THE ENTIRE SE STATES MAY BE REALIGNED, SO PLEASE DO NOT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS.

Ngwa people are more clannish in nature than any other Igbo clan.
His anti Abia North statement is not unexpected as they see Abia North as political rivals in Abia state.

Ojiofor:


Ngwa people are more clannish in nature than any other Igbo clan.
His anti Abia North statement is not unexpected as they see Abia North as political rivals in Abia state.

ARE THEY ACTUALLY RELATED TO UMUAHIA, AROCHUKWU , OHAFIA AND AFIKPO PEOPLE ?


OR SHOULD WE WAIT FOR CHINENYE.

ONOVEGASBLOG CLAIMS ETCHE AND MBASI AS THEIR BROTHERS.

I THOUGHT ETCHE WERE WITH THE IKWERRE?

HE ARGUED THAT IKWERRE ARE WITH OWEERI PEOPLE.

WHAT IS YOUR VIEWS ON THIS?

Ojiofor:


What is your question?

Ojiofor:


No Afikpo was part and parcel of Old Bende division both politically and culturally while Abakaliki is politically and culturally aligned with wawa Enugu people.

Liar

You speak like one that is daft.

I have been reading through other people's contributions and found out your are a man full of prejuice. Juxtapose your shameless comments about a tribe in Igboland with how other ethnicity percieves Igbo's. You want Biafra, see your mouth full of venoms against a tribe of your own. Same way you don't want an Aba state, Biafra will continue to suffer sabotage. With people of your mentality, I won't be suprise, if tomorrow an Ngwa person states that they are not Igbo's like an average Onitsha man will call you (Nwa ndi Igbo). Moreover, most Ngwas that I have encountered claim ancestry to Omuma people in Rivers State and of Akwa-ibom extraction.

When they speak of Igbos that are draft, insulting and bags of evil, with your speech pattern one can deduce that people from your side of Igbo are powerful delegates and representatives.

State your fear clearly, that what makes Abia a revenue generating state is predominately from Ngwa extraction; if the should leave Old Bende will be a carcass of lost glory. I am in the state and involved in high level matters, so I know what I am saying.

Men like you needs to be guage.

PS: Both late VC and Okey is good - The persons OVi who is from Abia South presented as Governorship candidates is not of the same senatorial zones or Local Government with him rather both are from Abia Central and Isialangwa axis.

Ojiofor:


It is their greed that will push them to fourth class citizens.Power was rotating amongst the 3 senatorial zones until it reaches Ngwa man turn and he presented his Ngwa brother from same LGA to replace him in government house Umuahia.They want to marginalize the rest of Abia state.

Ebubu2:
Liar

What do you know?

JuicyEarth:
You speak like one that is daft.

I have been reading through other people's contributions and found out your are a man full of prejuice. Juxtapose your shameless comments about a tribe in Igboland with how other ethnicity percieves Igbo's. You want Biafra, see your mouth full of venoms against a tribe of your own. Same way you don't want an Aba state, Biafra will continue to suffer sabotage. With people of your mentality, I won't be suprise, if tomorrow an Ngwa person states that they are not Igbo's like an average Onitsha man will call you (Nwa ndi Igbo). Moreover, most Ngwas that I have encountered claim ancestry to Omuma people in Rivers State and of Akwa-ibom extraction.

When they speak of Igbos that are draft, insulting and bags of evil, with your speech pattern one can deduce that people from your side of Igbo are powerful delegates and representatives.

State your fear clearly, that what makes Abia a revenue generating state is predominately from Ngwa extraction; if the should leave Old Bende will be a carcass of lost glory. I am in the state and involved in high level matters, so I know what I am saying.

Men like you needs to be guage.

PS: Both late VC and Okey is good - The persons OVi who is from Abia South presented as Governorship candidates is not of the same senatorial zones or Local Government with him rather both are from Abia Central and Isialangwa axis.

You started with insult and ended up writing an epistle to counter someone you consider as daft.
We all know how clannish Ngwa can be given any opportunity we will have another Ikwerre in Igboland to deal with just as you asserted.
Why should another Ngwa man replace another as governor in disregard to our culture of power rotation between Abia North,Abia Central and Abia South.After Ikpeazu's tenure power supposed to return to Abia North not Abia central.You guys think you are wise!
Aba state is not feasible in the nearest future as Nigeria is currently structured.Even if they want to create two more states from SE Aba state will not be among.If you create Aba state 9 LGAs will be gone with it,what will be left of Abia state?
As for Biafra I am not agitating neither I am expecting it will be actualized in the nearest future because realistically speaking,like Aba state it is not possible.

Ojiofor:


You started with insult and ended up writing an epistle to counter someone you consider as daft.
We all know how clannish Ngwa can be given any opportunity we will have another Ikwerre in Igboland to deal with just as you asserted.
Why should another Ngwa man replace another as governor in disregard to our culture of power rotation between Abia North,Abia Central and Abia South.After Ikpeazu's tenure power supposed to return to Abia North not Abia central.You guys think you are wise!
Aba state is not feasible in the nearest future as Nigeria is currently structured.Even if they want to create two more states from SE Aba state will not be among.If you create Aba state 9 LGAs will be gone with it,what will be left of Abia state?

answer me because i'm seeing this as a land grab attempt

waternogetemeny:



answer me because i'm seeing this as a land grab attempt

What is your question?

Sorry for my earlier tantrums. You replied as it should be but your earlier submissions were more clannish than the accused.

Let me delve into the politics of Abia as someone who grew up in the state and in the known. Abia state is typically divided into two divisions: The Aba Ngwa and Old Bende axis.

Now let us go into the power play since the creation of Abia. The first civilian governor of Abia till the later;
* Ogbonnaya Onu - Old Bende region
* Orji Uzor Kalu - Old Bende region (Abia North)
* T.A Orji - Old Bende region (Abia Central)
* Okezie Ikpeazu - Aba Ngwa region (Abia South)
* Oti Chioma - ancestry is from Old Bende region but choose to live among Ngwas in Abia Central.

Worthy of note is that Abia central is made up of both old Bende and Ngwa extractions and in this mixture...the Old Bende have taken their slot.

In all sincerity, what is wrong if Okezie Ikpeazu chooses to return the governorship slot to Abia central wherein the Ngwa extraction take it so as to be duly represented?

From the above presentation where did the Ngwa people became greed and clannish?

Who are those more represented in the State since its creation wherein old Bende have produced 3 governors, Otti making it 4 while Ngwas have produced 1 governor?

Is Nigeria rulership wherein the North with nothing to contribute to this entity wants to take it all and still the less developed not typically displayed in Abia State?

Let the sane minds judge your reply.

Ps: Each time I look at Abia State, I see Nigeria in full display.

Ojiofor:


You started with insult and ended up writing an epistle to counter someone you consider as daft.
We all know how clannish Ngwa can be given any opportunity we will have another Ikwerre in Igboland to deal with just as you asserted.
Why should another Ngwa man replace another as governor in disregard to our culture of power rotation between Abia North,Abia Central and Abia South.After Ikpeazu's tenure power supposed to return to Abia North not Abia central.You guys think you are wise!
Aba state is not feasible in the nearest future as Nigeria is currently structured.Even if they want to create two more states from SE Aba state will not be among.If you create Aba state 9 LGAs will be gone with it,what will be left of Abia state?
As for Biafra I am not agitating neither I am expecting it will be actualized in the nearest future because realistically speaking,like Aba state it is not possible.

CJStarz:
Aba deserves a State status.
It's economically viable.
Has one of the largest LGAs in the East,Obingwa .
But the painful truth is,if Aba is carved out of Abia state,whatever would remain in Abia will be nothing but impoverished communities.
An average Ngwa man is very accommodating hence they allowed settlers and their businesses thrive on their land,yet these people,especially from Abia North,a.k.a nde Ogboo,have zero love,regard or respect for the people who accommodated them yet they cannot spent one full week in their villages away from Aba.

As an Anambra person who grew up in Aba,I want to state that Ngwa people deserve their own state and above all,respect from those who they accommodated.
God bless Ngwa land.

you reason like a Yoruba man

Now sequel to the above reply,

Is your fear that of the Local Government Areas that will remain in Abia state or that the goose that lays the golden egg is pulled out from Old Bende's whims? Just like the oil that grease the wheel of Nigeria is in Southern Nigeria so it is with the Ngwas in Abia State. State your truth and stop profiling people as clannish. Tomorrow you will fight hard here, when Igbos are been profile as ritualist, drug barons and all evils in their bag.

Until there is a paradigm shift in thinking, you will continue to emotinally justify your wrong submissions. Tomorrow it will be "Wawa people" or "Deje people".

Just like Obasanjo said "Atiku to be president? I laugh" Old Bende region will keep developing Ngwa region just same way una believe say "Igbos are developing Lagos ".

JuicyEarth:
Sorry for my earlier tantrums. You replied as it should be but your earlier submissions were more clannish than the accused.

Let me delve into the politics of Abia as someone who grew up in the state and in the known. Abia state is typically divided into two divisions: The Aba Ngwa and Old Bende axis.

Now let us go into the power play since the creation of Abia. The first civilian governor of Abia till the later;
* Ogbonnaya Onu - Old Bende region
* Orji Uzor Kalu - Old Bende region (Abia North)
* T.A Orji - Old Bende region (Abia Central)
* Okezie Ikpeazu - Aba Ngwa region (Abia South)
* Oti Chioma - ancestry is from Old Bende region but choose to live among Ngwas in Abia Central.

Worthy of note is that Abia central is made up of both old Bende and Ngwa extractions and in this mixture...the Old Bende have taken their slot.

In all sincerity, what is wrong if Okezie Ikpeazu chooses to return the governorship slot to Abia central wherein the Ngwa extraction take it so as to be duly represented?

From the above presentation where did the Ngwa people became greed and clannish?

Who are those more represented in the State since its creation wherein old Bende have produced 3 governors, Otti making it 4 while Ngwas have produced 1 governor?

Is Nigeria rulership wherein the North with nothing to contribute to this entity wants to take it all and still the less developed not typically displayed in Abia State?

Let the sane minds judge your reply.

Ps: Each time I look at Abia State, I see Nigeria in full display.

Let us concentrate on politics of Abia and leave tantrums for now.
We are nolonger living in colonial times when Igboland was divided in old Bende and Aba divisions....We are in the fourth republic where senatorial zones have constitutionally replace the old order.So old Bende and Aba division is nolonger in existence.

In 1999 Abia elders had a gentleman's agreement for sake of equity and justice to rotate power among the 3 senatorial zones so called Aba division was part of that agreement only to selfishly change the rules of the game in the middle of a match in the name of old Bende and Aba division that is being clannish.
Aba and Umuahia was a colonial creation and we in Abia North see the two cities as a collective heritage of nde Abia state and we have contributed a lot to its development.