Mynd44:
We agree, the governors are a problem to the party. Governors like Okowa and Obaseki who had an agreement at the Southern governors forum, signed it and went ahead to betray to agreement.

Okowa was even worse because he was the chairman of the forum and the meeting was held in his house.

If these issue of betrayal by these governors isn't settled, the PDP is just playing with itself.

The problem of betrayals include
Them refusing to zone the presidential elections
Them refusing to make sure the presidential candidate and party chairman were not from the same zone.

These were the betrayals of 2022 that led to the betrayals of 2023.

Demola cannot rewrite historh

Even Atikus state governor, Fintiri is a betrayer.

SHEDI FPDP SAID THEY WILL RULE FOR FIFTY YEARS ACORDING TO AUDU

Righthussle:
Who can answer this JAMB question.

If Atiku was in PDP in 2003, and by 2013, Atiku was in APC. And again in 2019 Atku was in PDP what is the next party he will be in and in what year will he join the party ?

APC. By 2029 he will be in APC after he loses election in 2027.

Kukutenla:

Which politics do you eat?
Are you aware Ken Nnamani PDP chairman in 2010 said Jonathan should not run since it was the turn of the north and he was removed? The fact is that Jonathan ran against the principle of zoning in 2010 and he was supported by even folks like Tinubu. If zoning could be jetissoned in 2010, what makes zoning an imperative going forward. If Buhari was running from 2003 to 2015, why didn't zoning stop him from running throughout the period?
Can you show the agreement Jonathan signed that he won't run in 2015? If he reneged on the agreement, causing Atiku to leave PDP, why do people like you now blame Atiku for leaving PDP instead of supporting Jonathan for a second term so he can also run in 2019? You see how you are confusing yourself now?
The fact is that zoning is only used as a weapon when it favours a side. Most of you neophytes easily forget that it was the same members of G5 that ruled that PDP ticket be thrown open in 2023. Ortom and Ugwuanyi were the folks who chaired different committees for zoning and came back with a decision to jettison zoning. Why are they now forming saint today and folks like you believe them?

U know politics, yet u asking me which agreement GEJ signed? I see.
1. Yar’adua died in office, barely two yrs into his presidency
2. Constitutionally his vice should take over. GEJ managed to do so, inspite of formidable northern forces to prevent it, based on zoning.
3. The situation was quite novel as no president had died in office prior to that moment.
4. By 2010, the south took an exception to the north’s toxic politicking. The argument was that the north has stayed longer in power at any rate and GEJ shouldn’t have been so shabby treated. Or what else do u think will make BAT vote for GEJ? Where they in the same party?
5. GEJ had an agreement with northern PDP leaders he wouldn’t stand for the 2015.
I even heard him say so. Zoning isn’t even why many northerners turned against him, as much as fact that he couldn’t honor an agreement. Stop talking about 2010. As u living in denial.
6. A certain man in PDP who left, was because he was aggrieved he was not the party nominee. He has cross-carpeted several times before, always for his self interest. He also left APC 2019 wen it was apparent that the incumbent, was going to seek renomination against an earlier promise he made not to do so. And lots of people still believe it was a clone’s decision.
So, this man supports none other but himself all the time.
7. 2023, zoning would have worked in PDP, had it not been for the man. The southern governors had already taken the stand, and the party was neither here nor there. But the man already knew he was going to emerge. So the animosity towards his selfishness is wot cost the party real competitive chance at the polls and still haunting the party.

Righthussle:
Who can answer this JAMB question.

If Atiku was in PDP in 2003, and by 2013, Atiku was in APC. And again in 2019 Atku was in PDP what is the next party he will be in and in what year will he join the party ?

You missed one party bro. PDP to ACN to PDP to APC and back to PDP. Atiku is a political prostitute. He is the problem

Mandate2023:
No one owes atiku any loyalty, in 2019 wike supported atiku with everything he has but after Buhari it is right for power to return to d south.....the likes of okowa that became the VP candidate of atiku and adeleke that worked for atiku are betrayal of the southerners

Atiku is a serial loser and he will continue to lose bcoz in 2031 the northerners supporting him nw like d likes of tambuwal will be against him too

God bless you. Pls those idiots.

Kukutenla:

You have a good point. But Atiku had the decency to leave the party when he wasn't getting what he wanted there
Where is the honor in staying in a place when your sole aim is to destroy the place? Is there a better meaning to traitor than that?

who first do no d pain.

Mumu

qboifrnd:


who first do no d pain.

Well, we'll see how the game pans out

Kukutenla:

If you say so about Atiku what of Amaechi who is from Jonathan's neck of the woods? In fairness to Atiku he already said it since 2010 that Jonathan shouldn't run since it was still the turn of the north then. His stand was rebuffed. 2023 and people are calling him names for running when it was presumably the turn of the south in another party.
I'm not defending Atiku mind you. He miscalculated and let desperation for power and regional sentiments bamboozle him into jumping the ship in 2015 but I insist the two people I mentioned are far better than Wike's.
Wike is actively pulling the house down and saying if I don't benefit from it, then no one else will. That's the activity of fifth columnists and spies on display in the open. He is getting away with it because of the presidential backing he has and nothing else. If not, even most of those following him will have deserted him by now.
If you know you have nothing positive to offfer a place, why don't you leave and let the rest who want to make use of the platform do so and let's see what they are able to do without you. But to stand in the way of others for your selfish benefit is just total treachery.

Atiku and Amaechi ganged up together, so there is not much difference between them.

Bottom line is that Atiku contributed directly to the ascension of buhari and tinubu, and the problems we have today. Do you have any idea the extent to which atiku undermined GEJ?

Anyway, they are all politicians, so to them, principles don't matter.

Krismas:
U know politics, yet u asking me which agreement GEJ signed? I see.
1. Yar’adua died in office, barely two yrs into his presidency
2. Constitutionally his vice should take over. GEJ managed to do so, inspite of formidable northern forces to prevent it, based on zoning.
3. The situation was quite novel as no president had died in office prior to that moment.
4. By 2010, the south took an exception to the north’s toxic politicking. The argument was that the north has stayed longer in power at any rate and GEJ shouldn’t have been so shabby treated. Or what else do u think will make BAT vote for GEJ? Where they in the same party?
5. GEJ had an agreement with northern PDP leaders he wouldn’t stand for the 2015.
I even heard him say so. Zoning isn’t even why many northerners turned against him, as much as fact that he couldn’t honor an agreement. Stop talking about 2010. As u living in denial.
6. A certain man in PDP who left, was because he was aggrieved he was not the party nominee. He has cross-carpeted several times before, always for his self interest. He also left APC 2019 wen it was apparent that the incumbent, was going to seek renomination against an earlier promise he made not to do so. And lots of people still believe it was a clone’s decision.
So, this man supports none other but himself all the time.
7. 2023, zoning would have worked in PDP, had it not been for the man. The southern governors had already taken the stand, and the party was neither here nor there. But the man already knew he was going to emerge. So the animosity towards his selfishness is wot cost the party real competitive chance at the polls and still haunting the party.

1. At least get your dates right. Yaradua died May 2010. How's that barely two years to 2007
2. That is what I am still saying. If zoning is to be adhered to, Jonathan shouldn't have taken office in 2010 not to talk of running in 2011. If you support Jonathan then, and you start complaining against Atiku in 2023, you're simply an hypocrite
3. Again, a President dying in office is not novel in Nigeria. Get your facts right
4. Again, you are laying conditions on zoning. If zoning is such a sacred agreement, it should not be based on behaviour. To claim zoning was jetissoned based on behaviour of the north is hypocritical.
5. You said there was a written agreement. Show it na. Abi you nor dey eat and drink politics again?
6. You guys always make leaving a party look like a betrayal. It is not. Especially if you are not holding political office. Leaving a party is not even as serious as leaving a job. Almost all our politicians have switched party at one time or the other. Be it Tinubu, Buhari, Oshiomole etc. So making something that is widespread and legal a sin is just unreasonable. Even in the US, politicians switch parties from time to time.
7. Are all the southern govs PDP members. Is there any rule that says PDP is bound by decision of southern govs? I hope you are aware that even APC did not zone its presidential ticket in 2023. What do you say to that? That means APC also went against the stand of the southern govs. In fact, it was Wike elements in PDP that insisted that the party ticket be not zoned. Do you dispute this or not? Wike was expecting to be made VP to Atiku. It was when Okowa was chosen that he went ballistic. Do you also dispute this

Funflipper:


Then Atiku should register his own PDM party and contest under it because he will never get the pdpd ticket. The days of "monkey dey work, bamboo dey chop" are gone!

But it was PDM that formed PDP. It is Wike who needs to go and form his own party instead of usurping a party founded by others under the pretext that he funded it once

Wisdomkosi:

Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/atikus-camp-reacts-to-pdp-governors-associating-with-wike/

Atiku gave room for all that, even his own state governor is not with him, when he should be having control, he was jumping from one party to another

Funflipper:


Wike has been in PDP since 1999 . He has never decamped from the party unlike atiku the political prostitute and serial decampee. You are asking why Wike couldn't produce his preferred candidate when we all witnessed how atiku purchased the pdp primaries on his return from dubai and APC voyage just because he can buy his way through. Atiku should go hit his head against the wall if he likes but he will never ever get the PDP ticket again.

So Atiku purchased the party ticket twice to beat Wike in a party funded by Wike? Does that not mean Atiku is miles ahead of Wike politically?

Wike is killing the party he never built now. He never decamped from the party because the party favoured him. Now that the party is not to his favour, instead of decamping like any decent person will do, he's choosing to play the fifth columnist and kill the party from within to the joy of the opposing camp. I don't know how that makes sense to you than decamping.
If Atiku gets the ticket again what will you do? Was Wike in Mars when Atiku got PDP ticket in 2019 and 2023?

ivandragon:


Atiku and Amaechi ganged up together, so there is not much difference between them.

Bottom line is that Atiku contributed directly to the ascension of buhari and tinubu, and the problems we have today. Do you have any idea the extent to which atiku undermined GEJ?

Anyway, they are all politicians, so to them, principles don't matter.

Exactly!! If principles matter, GEJ will not run in 2011. If principles are the koko, Buhari will not run in 2015. He already said the 2011 elections was his last. If principles was everything, Tiubu will not support a known bigot like Buhari to become president twice even when he was badly treated in return. I agree Atiku undermined Jonathan but I am pointing out to you that Wike is doing far worse to PDP than Atiku did. PDP is almost certain not to recover from what is going on within its ranks now. A lot of its members are losing faith in the party not to mention ordinary Nigerians and it is all thanks to Wike's shenanigans

The betrayal started in 2014 when Atiku and Co took took a walk out of PDP convention that produced Jonathan to support Buhari.

A man Atiku isn't a smart politician, if not , he was supposed to be the one to succeed Jonathan in 2019, haven't known that power would returned to the North after Jonathan. But he couldn't make used of his common sense to support Jonathan.

All of them that betrayed PDP and Jonathan must continue to take their own cup of very hot tea , one sfter the other.

Saraki, Amaechi, Kwankwaso, Dino Milaye, Tambuwal and their master Atiku have all taken theirs from Buhari, including their supporters.

Wike/ Tinubu are very sincere politicians in Nigeria of today. They don't do betrayal things.

You see that boy, Sin or Sim Fubara , he must collect him own reward of betrayal wotowoto.

The betrayal started in 2014 when Atiku and Co took a walked out of PDP convention that produced Jonathan to support Buhari.

The man Atiku isn't a smart politician, if not , he was supposed to be the one to succeed Jonathan in 2019, haven't known that power would returned to the North after Jonathan. But he couldn't make used of his common sense to support Jonathan.

All of them that betrayed PDP and Jonathan must continue to take their own cup of very hot tea , one sfter the other.

Saraki, Amaechi, Kwankwaso, Dino Milaye, Tambuwal and their master Atiku have all taken theirs from Buhari, including their supporters.

Wike/ Tinubu are very sincere politicians in Nigeria of today. They don't do betrayal things.

You see that boy, Sin or Sim Fubara , he must collect him own reward of betrayal wotowoto.

WhizdomXX:

APC. By 2029 he will be in APC after he loses election in 2027.

🤣🤣🤣

Kukutenla:

1. At least get your dates right. Yaradua died May 2010. How's that barely two years to 2007
2. That is what I am still saying. If zoning is to be adhered to, Jonathan shouldn't have taken office in 2010 not to talk of running in 2011. If you support Jonathan then, and you start complaining against Atiku in 2023, you're simply an hypocrite
3. Again, a President dying in office is not novel in Nigeria. Get your facts right
4. Again, you are laying conditions on zoning. If zoning is such a sacred agreement, it should not be based on behaviour. To claim zoning was jetissoned based on behaviour of the north is hypocritical.
5. You said there was a written agreement. Show it na. Abi you nor dey eat and drink politics again?
6. You guys always make leaving a party look like a betrayal. It is not. Especially if you are not holding political office. Leaving a party is not even as serious as leaving a job. Almost all our politicians have switched party at one time or the other. Be it Tinubu, Buhari, Oshiomole etc. So making something that is widespread and legal a sin is just unreasonable. Even in the US, politicians switch parties from time to time.
7. Are all the southern govs PDP members. Is there any rule that says PDP is bound by decision of southern govs? I hope you are aware that even APC did not zone its presidential ticket in 2023. What do you say to that? That means APC also went against the stand of the southern govs. In fact, it was Wike elements in PDP that insisted that the party ticket be not zoned. Do you dispute this or not? Wike was expecting to be made VP to Atiku. It was when Okowa was chosen that he went ballistic. Do you also dispute this

Begin to take note of your political naivety

1. Yar’adua did not die the day it was announced. That was part of the whole disagreement. The cabal wanted to continue to rule on in his name.
2. If Jonathan shouldn’t have taken office 2010, then WHO SHOULD HAVE? Zoning did not anticipate a president will die in office b4 his tenure, so you can’t call for a fresh election. Pls take note. This is important, I AM INDIFFERENT TO THE MAN YOU KEEP MENTIONING. I have not criticized him, nor praised him. My point is his behavior is the root cause of the rift in the party. If you say his behavior is good. Ok. I am not judge of good behavior or bad behavior. I hope u get my point.
3. Which president has died in office in Nigeria b4 Yar’adua?
4. Zoning is not superior to the constitution. A president dies, the vice takes over. Zoning or no zoning. But a way has now been found around that. A president dies, get a body double to sit in, while u rule thru him.
The situation of 2010 was novel, so it turned out the way it did.
5. The proof a man sleeps with his wife, is their baby. Somethings are private and can’t be proved publicly.
6. How many politicians have switched party in America b4? It’s absolutely ridiculous you think it’s right thing to do. You are wrong
7. To you APC did not zone? It speaks volumes that you think the man who won, did so thru the convention. U have lessons to learn in politics. PDP surprised me exceedingly by holding their convention first. Are they not supposed to be the opposition? However you are wrong, that Wike faction didn’t want zoning. That’s an outright lie. They wanted it zoned to the south. Then wen dat didn’t happen, they wanted the chairman to step down, since his impartiality couldn’t be guaranteed, being from the north. Wike stood in for presidential nominee till the last and complained bitterly how in-playing by the northern candidates, robbed him of winning. He only asked for vice as consolation. The PDP NWC was undecided at first. They at first thought, it will be zoned to the south but later threw it open, in response to the forces at play within the party. If the south governors had stuck together, they might have prevailed. It’s politics afterall. But the chairman of the forum was the first to accept vice position as reward for betraying the group.

Krismas:
Begin to take note of your political naivety

1. Yar’adua did not die the day it was announced. That was part of the whole disagreement. The cabal wanted to continue to rule on in his name.
2. If Jonathan shouldn’t have taken office 2010, then WHO SHOULD HAVE? Zoning did not anticipate a president will die in office b4 his tenure, so you can’t call for a fresh election. Pls take note. This is important, I AM INDIFFERENT TO THE MAN YOU KEEP MENTIONING. I have not criticized him, nor praised him. My point is his behavior is the root cause of the rift in the party. If you say his behavior is good. Ok. I am not judge of good behavior or bad behavior. I hope u get my point.
3. Which president has died in office in Nigeria b4 Yar’adua?
4. Zoning is not superior to the constitution. A president dies, the vice takes over. Zoning or no zoning. But a way has now been found around that. A president dies, get a body double to sit in, while u rule thru him.
The situation of 2010 was novel, so it turned out the way it did.
5. The proof a man sleeps with his wife, is their baby. Somethings are private and can’t be proved publicly.
6. How many politicians have switched party in America b4? It’s absolutely ridiculous you think it’s right thing to do. You are wrong
7. To you APC did not zone? It speaks volumes that you think the man who won, did so thru the convention. U have lessons to learn in politics. PDP surprised me exceedingly by holding their convention first. Are they not supposed to be the opposition? However you are wrong, that Wike faction didn’t want zoning. That’s an outright lie. They wanted it zoned to the south. Then wen dat didn’t happen, they wanted the chairman to step down, since his impartiality couldn’t be guaranteed, being from the north. Wike stood in for presidential nominee till the last and complained bitterly how in-playing by the northern candidates, robbed him of winning. He only asked for vice as consolation. The PDP NWC was undecided at first. They at first thought, it will be zoned to the south but later thru it open, in response to the forces at play within the party. If the south governors had stuck together, they might have prevailed. It’s politics afterall. But the chairman of the forum was the first to accept vice position as reward for betraying the group.

1. Ok... So when did he die
2. You are mixing things up. Zoning does not exist in our laws. Zoning is a political arrangement whose foundation is the mutual distrust between the zones that make up Nigeria and the supremacy battle that's embedded in every presidential contest in Nigeria. So, zoning is not an ideal. Zoning is an appreciation of our fault lines. Who should have taken office? Well, the constitution says if the President and the Vice President cease to exist, power automatically falls to the Senate President who happened to be a northerner and an election held within 6months. There you have it. Let's hear what you have to say now. The point you keep missing is that zoning is an arrangement of convenience just as you yourself are pointing out. It is not sacred or cast in stone neither is it a legal requirement
3. Eerm there's Murtala Muhammad and Abacha.
4. You seem to be conspiracy theorist. But you still fumbled at this attempt. There is no provision for body double in the constitution AND a body double cannot access the office of the president. If you were paying attention in 2017 you would have gotten that.
5. What makes you so certain that the baby is from the man's seed. You seem to be so naive in a lot of matters. You need hard evidence called DNA to get proof when paternity is contested. You can't use "I slept with my wife" as proof man!!
6. A lot more than you can imagine. Switching parties is not illegal in our constitution. Only lawmakers are forbidden from doing so since their seats are representative of their party caucus in their Houses. Even Trump was once a Democrat. There is nothing wrong with switching parties especially when you are not in office
7. APC did not zone. The problem with folks like you is that you mix things up and only take what suits your bias. The APC Governors Forum ceded the party ticket to the South. But the party chair told them that the party will not zone its ticket. The party chair later called the governors and told them the President has a preferred candidate in the person of Ahmad Lawan. Do you remember all these? The govs led by Yahaya Bello and El-Rufai stormed out of the meeting. That's what broke the camel's back and Buhari then released a statement that ALL aspirants are to contest with NO ONE being barred. Do you remember this as well?
Was Ortom not the chairman of PDP zoning Committee? What was the outcome of their work? They resolved that the party ticket be thrown open. That is Ortom o. A member of G5. Are you aware that before him, Ugwuanyi was head of a committtee on Presidential Primary. The question of zoning was put before him and he also rebuffed it. Before that, are you aware that what made Umahi leave PDP was because he raised the matter in PDP Gov's forum that PDP presidential ticket should be ceded to South East. You know who rebuffed him? Wike. So can you tell me when Wike came out in support of zoning before the primaries? The point now is, if Wike had been offered Vice, would he have gone ahead to reject it on the grounds of zoning not being adhered to?

MichaelUweh:
The betrayal started in 2014 when Atiku and Co took a walked out of PDP convention that produced Jonathan to support Buhari.

The man Atiku isn't a smart politician, if not , he was supposed to be the one to succeed Jonathan in 2019, haven't known that power would returned to the North after Jonathan. But he couldn't make used of his common sense to support Jonathan.

All of them that betrayed PDP and Jonathan must continue to take their own cup of very hot tea , one sfter the other.

Saraki, Amaechi, Kwankwaso, Dino Milaye, Tambuwal and their master Atiku have all taken theirs from Buhari, including their supporters.

Wike/ Tinubu are very sincere politicians in Nigeria of today. They don't do betrayal things.

You see that boy, Sin or Sim Fubara , he must collect him own reward of betrayal wotowoto.

You see, the problem is when you look at something from one angle
With the prevailing atmosphere in the north in 2014, do you think Atiku would not have been accused of betraying the north if he had teamed up with Jonathan when the likes of Kwankwaso, El-Rufai, Nyako, Talba etc etc had abandoned him? Probably today, folks like you will say he is a man who sold his own out just to become president and is thus not worthy of any northerner's support

Kukutenla:


1. Ok... So when did he die
2. You are mixing things up. Zoning does not exist in our laws. Zoning is a political arrangement whose foundation is the mutual distrust between the zones that make up Nigeria and the supremacy battle that's embedded in every presidential contest in Nigeria. So, zoning is not an ideal. Zoning is an appreciation of our fault lines. Who should have taken office? Well, the constitution says if the President and the Vice President cease to exist, power automatically falls to the Senate President who happened to be a northerner and an election held within 6months. There you have it. Let's hear what you have to say now. The point you keep missing is that zoning is an arrangement of convenience just as you yourself are pointing out. It is not sacred or cast in stone neither is it a legal requirement
3. Eerm there's Murtala Muhammad and Abacha.
4. You seem to be conspiracy theorist. But you still fumbled at this attempt. There is no provision for body double in the constitution AND a body double cannot access the office of the president. If you were paying attention in 2017 you would have gotten that.
5. What makes you so certain that the baby is from the man's seed. You seem to be so naive in a lot of matters. You need hard evidence called DNA to get proof when paternity is contested. You can't use "I slept with my wife" as proof man!!
6. A lot more than you can imagine. Switching parties is not illegal in our constitution. Only lawmakers are forbidden from doing so since their seats are representative of their party caucus in their Houses. Even Trump was once a Democrat. There is nothing wrong with switching parties especially when you are not in office
7. APC did not zone. The problem with folks like you is that you mix things up and only take what suits your bias. The APC Governors Forum ceded the party ticket to the South. But the party chair told them that the party will not zone its ticket. The party chair later called the governors and told them the President has a preferred candidate in the person of Ahmad Lawan. Do you remember all these? The govs led by Yahaya Bello and El-Rufai stormed out of the meeting. That's what broke the camel's back and Buhari then released a statement that ALL aspirants are to contest with NO ONE being barred. Do you remember this as well?
Was Ortom not the chairman of PDP zoning Committee? What was the outcome of their work? They resolved that the party ticket be thrown open. That is Ortom o. A member of G5. Are you aware that before him, Ugwuanyi was head of a committtee on Presidential Primary. The question of zoning was put before him and he also rebuffed it. Before that, are you aware that what made Umahi leave PDP was because he raised the matter in PDP Gov's forum that PDP presidential ticket should be ceded to South East. You know who rebuffed him? Wike. So can you tell me when Wike came out in support of zoning before the primaries? The point now is, if Wike had been offered Vice, would he have gone ahead to reject it on the grounds of zoning not being adhered to?

1. Skip
2. You failed to answer my question. In this particular case the Vice President is not dead. Why are u assuming he was?
Zoning and single presidential term of 6yrs were conclusions reached at the Abacha constitutional review conference. And are constitutional reforms waiting to be signed into law. So Zoning is actually deeper than just political convenience.
3. Muritala Mohammed and Abacha were not Presidents. They were head of states.
I asked for president that have died in office b4 Yar’adua.
4. Skip.
5. I was talking about the baby of a couple already certified by DNA. Otherwise what is the proof a man is sleeping with his wife?
To be specific. If you claim GEJ signed no agreement with northern PDP elders not to stand for 2015, ok. No probs. But I cannot unhear what I heard. GEJ said he will not stand. Just like Buhari who said he will not seek re-election. Just like Ayu, who said he will relinquish office as soon as a northerner emerged as party flag bearer These where things I heard myself.
6. Not only lawmakers. Other elected politicians cross carpeting are also implicated. Because it is party people vote for. Donald Trump was never elected into any political position as democrat. A card carrying member of a party, is just a little higher than an electorate. I want you to give me an example of an elected politician cross carpeting in America.
7. It’s apparent u misunderstood the G5. If Wike did not want zoning, what was his quarrel with the presidential flagbearer and Iyocha Ayu? Wike wanted it to be the whole south and not just south east.
Throwing it open was cause of powerful forces in the party who opposed it. The party leadership had to do it open. Which is wise. Buhari seem to have had many rumored candidates in the race. One of which was Emeifele the ex-CBN chair. But I what now befell the likes of Lawan? Yahya bello? They lost in flying colors. Where these people truly protégés of the President, you think they would lose? If you think Wike is aggrieved cos he didn’t get VP slot, then you do not understand the controversy in the party very much.

Kukutenla:

Exactly!! If principles matter, GEJ will not run in 2011. If principles are the koko, Buhari will not run in 2015. He already said the 2011 elections was his last. If principles was everything, Tiubu will not support a known bigot like Buhari to become president twice even when he was badly treated in return. I agree Atiku undermined Jonathan but I am pointing out to you that Wike is doing far worse to PDP than Atiku did. PDP is almost certain not to recover from what is going on within its ranks now. A lot of its members are losing faith in the party not to mention ordinary Nigerians and it is all thanks to Wike's shenanigans

Whatever Wike is doing today is a product of Atiku's betrayal in 2014. That is where the opportunity of less desirables to grab power began.

It is like someone cuts your head off and you now say it is the person that buried you later that killed you. It doesn't work that way.

As bad as Wike is, he kept pdp together at a particular point in time when atiku and Co abandoned the party. All atiku had to do was pick him as VP candidate in 2023.

No one needs any seer to know this wike is about to make pdp loose rivers state for the very first time to the app.

Krismas:


1. Skip
2. You failed to answer my question. In this particular case the Vice President is not dead. Why are u assuming he was?
Zoning and single presidential term of 6yrs were conclusions reached at the Abacha constitutional review conference. And are constitutional reforms waiting to be signed into law. So Zoning is actually deeper than just political convenience.
3. Muritala Mohammed and Abacha were not Presidents. They were head of states.
I asked for president that have died in office b4 Yar’adua.
4. Skip.
5. I was talking about the baby of a couple already certified by DNA. Otherwise what is the proof a man is sleeping with his wife?
To be specific. If you claim GEJ signed no agreement with northern PDP elders not to stand for 2015, ok. No probs. But I cannot unhear what I heard. GEJ said he will not stand. Just like Buhari who said he will not seek re-election. Just like Ayu, who said he will relinquish office as soon as a northerner emerged as party flag bearer These where things I heard myself.
6. Not only lawmakers. Other elected politicians cross carpeting are also implicated. Because it is party people vote for. Donald Trump was never elected into any political position as democrat. A card carrying member of a party, is just a little higher than an electorate. I want you to give me an example of an elected politician cross carpeting in America.
7. It’s apparent u misunderstood the G5. If Wike did not want zoning, what was his quarrel with the presidential flagbearer and Iyocha Ayu? Wike wanted it to be the whole south and not just south east.
Throwing it open was cause of powerful forces in the party who opposed it. The party leadership had to do it open. Which is wise. Buhari seem to have had many rumored candidates in the race. One of which was Emeifele the ex-CBN chair. But I what now befell the likes of Lawan? Yahya bello? They lost in flying colors. Where these people truly protégés of the President, you think they would lose? If you think Wike is aggrieved cos he didn’t get VP slot, then you do not understand the controversy in the party very much.

1. This one you are skipping like a girl with rope. Don't go and fall o
2. I thought you said you know politics. Is death the only reason the VP can vacate office? If zoning was a law, in such a situation as Jonathan's in 2010, there will be 2 availabale options: either resign on the spot and let the SP take over or, finish the term and stand down at the next election for contestant from the preferred zone like OBJ did in 1976 and Abdulsalam did in 1999. The problem with zoning as I already told you is that it is more of a political weapon than a democratic ideal. By virtue of zoning, the second term option is academic as the incumbent is almost already assured of votes from the waiting region who will not run the risk of having a new President who will also want his own 8years. Thus zoning will promote what it is promoting now. Nepotism and more corruption since it signals "turn by turn" politics which will in turn birth "chop I chop". There is no developed democracy anywhere in the world that practices zoning. Zoning is a sign of mistrust among the groups making up Nigeria. It is simpy not good and politicians only introduce it to get an advantage over each other.
3. I thought you knew Nigerian political history well enough. Abacha transmuted already to a military President and was already on his way to transmuting to civilian. Murtala used to also refer to himself as President.
5. GEJ never said so. It was Makarfi and later Tukur who said so in Kano that GEJ had agreed to do only one term. The man was present there but he never uttered a Yes or No.
6. You'll be surprised! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_senators_who_switched_parties
If you do not see anything wrong with Donald Trump switching parties when he was out of office, was Atiku in office in 2014 and 2018?
7. Wike did not want zoning cause he knew the automatic implication would be that it will be microzoned to the SE. 1999 is a very good example in PDP. The Presidential ticket was microzoned to SW. So there's precedent for that. SW and SS have produced Presidents in PDP so it was obvious that the SE would have been the natural region to benefit from zoning in PDP. You have not explained why Ortom's zoining committee threw the ticket open and today he is part of G5 fighting for "justice, equity and fairness" in Wike's voice. Meanwhile the same Ortom's tribe Tiv have been producing govs in Benue since the creation of the state and he is yet to stand for such principles in his state. There are no powerful forces anywhere save for the forces of selfishness and arrogance on the part of Wike. It was an open secret within PDP that Atiku said he will withdraw from the race if the ticket was zoned to SE. Why didn't Wike take that opportunity and agree for the ticket to go to SE? That's actually the fairest move for even APC. Wike overrated his importance and that's why he has become petulant and irritable since then. You think in his mind he's truly happy to be playing spoiler? Which big politician wants to waste his time being a spoiler when he can increase his network and test his popularity by running for any office of his choice? Wike always considered himself the biggest politician from the South in PDP. That he could be overlooked for an Okowa is something to hard for him to stomach

ivandragon:


Whatever Wike is doing today is a product of Atiku's betrayal in 2014. That is where the opportunity of less desirables to grab power began.

It is like someone cuts your head off and you now say it is the person that buried you later that killed you. It doesn't work that way.

As bad as Wike is, he kept pdp together at a particular point in time when atiku and Co abandoned the party. All atiku had to do was pick him as VP candidate in 2023.

I agree Atiku miscalculated by overlooking Wike's camp for VP. I suspect he already had a pact with Okowa who I'm sure must have bankrolled his campaign. The problem with choosing Wike as Vice is that of his belligerence which no one will ordinary be comfortable with. But maybe Atiku should have just found a way to manage it or at least choose someone from that camp.
That said, like I told someone, do you think Atiku will look good in the North in 2014 if he supported GEJ as against the prevailing sentiment in the North that power should return to the North. Don't forget that almost all big politicians in the North of PDP extraction had fled from GEJ on the ground that the North wants power. I'm sure today, a lot of you would have derided Atiku as one who betrayed his own (North) out of desperation for power if he had chosen that route in 2014.
And pls let's not mix things up. Wike has never been against Atiku because of 2014. Did Wike not support Atiku in 2019? He even went to speak with Tinubu on Atiku's behalf in 2019. So if he was bearing a grudge against Atiku because of 2014, why did he support him in 2019 after he emerged?

This hungry mofo Demola will not say the truth for once, all he wants is for Atiku to become Nigeria president so as to be closer to our national cake.

Kukutenla:

I agree Atiku miscalculated by overlooking Wike's camp for VP. I suspect he already had a pact with Okowa who I'm sure must have bankrolled his campaign. The problem with choosing Wike as Vice is that of his belligerence which no one will ordinary be comfortable with. But maybe Atiku should have just found a way to manage it or at least choose someone from that camp.
That said, like I told someone, do you think Atiku will look good in the North in 2014 if he supported GEJ as against the prevailing sentiment in the North that power should return to the North. Don't forget that almost all big politicians in the North of PDP extraction had fled from GEJ on the ground that the North wants power. I'm sure today, a lot of you would have derided Atiku as one who betrayed his own (North) out of desperation for power if he had chosen that route in 2014.
And pls let's not mix things up. Wike has never been against Atiku because of 2014. Did Wike not support Atiku in 2019? He even went to speak with Tinubu on Atiku's behalf in 2019. So if he was bearing a grudge against Atiku because of 2014, why did he support him in 2019 after he emerged?

You have your view, I have mine. For me, Atiku is the architect of the downfall of not just pdp, but was a key actor in fostering the worst set of presidents nigeria has ever had.

Wike is simply the undertaker.

Kukutenla:

1. This one you are skipping like a girl with rope. Don't go and fall o
2. I thought you said you know politics. Is death the only reason the VP can vacate office? If zoning was a law, in such a situation as Jonathan's in 2010, there will be 2 availabale options: either resign on the spot and let the SP take over or, finish the term and stand down at the next election for contestant from the preferred zone like OBJ did in 1976 and Abdulsalam did in 1999. The problem with zoning as I already told you is that it is more of a political weapon than a democratic ideal. By virtue of zoning, the second term option is academic as the incumbent is almost already assured of votes from the waiting region who will not run the risk of having a new President who will also want his own 8years. Thus zoning will promote what it is promoting now. Nepotism and more corruption since it signals "turn by turn" politics which will in turn birth "chop I chop". There is no developed democracy anywhere in the world that practices zoning. Zoning is a sign of mistrust among the groups making up Nigeria. It is simpy not good and politicians only introduce it to get an advantage over each other.
3. I thought you knew Nigerian political history well enough. Abacha transmuted already to a military President and was already on his way to transmuting to civilian. Murtala used to also refer to himself as President.
5. GEJ never said so. It was Makarfi and later Tukur who said so in Kano that GEJ had agreed to do only one term. The man was present there but he never uttered a Yes or No.
6. You'll be surprised! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_senators_who_switched_parties
If you do not see anything wrong with Donald Trump switching parties when he was out of office, was Atiku in office in 2014 and 2018?
7. Wike did not want zoning cause he knew the automatic implication would be that it will be microzoned to the SE. 1999 is a very good example in PDP. The Presidential ticket was microzoned to SW. So there's precedent for that. SW and SS have produced Presidents in PDP so it was obvious that the SE would have been the natural region to benefit from zoning in PDP. You have not explained why Ortom's zoining committee threw the ticket open and today he is part of G5 fighting for "justice, equity and fairness" in Wike's voice. Meanwhile the same Ortom's tribe Tiv have been producing govs in Benue since the creation of the state and he is yet to stand for such principles in his state. There are no powerful forces anywhere save for the forces of selfishness and arrogance on the part of Wike. It was an open secret within PDP that Atiku said he will withdraw from the race if the ticket was zoned to SE. Why didn't Wike take that opportunity and agree for the ticket to go to SE? That's actually the fairest move for even APC. Wike overrated his importance and that's why he has become petulant and irritable since then. You think in his mind he's truly happy to be playing spoiler? Which big politician wants to waste his time being a spoiler when he can increase his network and test his popularity by running for any office of his choice? Wike always considered himself the biggest politician from the South in PDP. That he could be overlooked for an Okowa is something to hard for him to stomach

2,3. You need to clear up your confusion about military and civilian rule first.
The military are never guided by the constitution. It’s the first thing they suspend as soon as they come in. It doesn’t matter whether a military head of state calls himself president or emperor. He is not president. No president of Nigeria has died in office b4 Yar’adua. That needs to be cleared out of the way first.
6. All the names on your list, actually moved from a main stream party to an unknown party and that was in the 19th and 20th century? How relevant is your link.
Trump never held any office as a Democrat, while the other man had been Vice President in PDP b4 going to APC. No comparison btw the two
7. I am not holding brief for Wike or any politician. I do not like politicians generally.
But you are the one twisting Wikes grievances. If you call him all those names, he wasn’t the only one with the grievances. The G5 felt it was the turn of the south.
The G5 felt a certain VP who runs from party to party should be least qualified to be flag bearer ahead of those who have remained loyal building the party.
There were other northerners too, who insisted it was the time for north in 2023. So anyone saying he will step down, should it be zoned to SE cannot impress Wike. Or was it the whole north who said that?
Ortom knew the right thing to do when there was no consensus on zoning was to throw the process open. Nevertheless Ortom is one of those who believed it should be zoned south. Presidential zoning was ever only btw north and south. No-one zoned SS for GEJ or so. OBJ’s case was also unique cos of Abiola, who was believed to have won the election but was denied.
Otherwise, If it comes to south, let SE SS SW battle it out among themselves. That was Wike’s understanding.
Okowa, while pretending to support zoning was actually working for the former VP. That’s how he got VP.

ivandragon:


You have your view, I have mine. For me, Atiku is the architect of the downfall of not just pdp, but was a key actor in fostering the worst set of presidents nigeria has ever had.

Wike is simply the undertaker.

Noted

Krismas:

2,3. You need to clear up your confusion about military and civilian rule first.
The military are never guided by the constitution. It’s the first thing they suspend as soon as they come in. It doesn’t matter whether a military head of state calls himself president or emperor. He is not president. No president of Nigeria has died in office b4 Yar’adua. That needs to be cleared out of the way first.
6. All the names on your list, actually moved from a main stream party to an unknown party and that was in the 19th and 20th century? How relevant is your link.
Trump never held any office as a Democrat, while the other man had been Vice President in PDP b4 going to APC. No comparison btw the two
7. I am not holding brief for Wike or any politician. I do not like politicians generally.
But you are the one twisting Wikes grievances. If you call him all those names, he wasn’t the only one with the grievances. The G5 felt it was the turn of the south.
The G5 felt a certain VP who runs from party to party should be least qualified to be flag bearer ahead of those who have remained loyal building the party.
There were other northerners too, who insisted it was the time for north in 2023. So anyone saying he will step down, should it be zoned to SE cannot impress Wike. Or was it the whole north who said that?
Ortom knew the right thing to do when there was no consensus on zoning was to throw the process open. Nevertheless Ortom is one of those who believed it should be zoned south. Presidential zoning was ever only btw north and south. No-one zoned SS for GEJ or so. OBJ’s case was also unique cos of Abiola, who was believed to have won the election but was denied.
Otherwise, If it comes to south, let SE SS SW battle it out among themselves. That was Wike’s understanding.
Okowa, while pretending to support zoning was actually working for the former VP. That’s how he got VP.

What does it mean to be president? Abacha's official appellation was President. What you might be clarifying is democratically elected president. Heck, even Nnamdi Azikiwe was President . So Murtala was actually the first President to die in office. Sorry. That's the fact.

6. Always cultivate the habit to scroll through things to the end. Here's the ending in the screenshot below. 2009, 2006, 2022 even this 2024!! And I don't know what you mean by unknown party. You seem to just enjoy typing sha

G5 never felt it was the turn of the south. They felt it was Wike's turn. If they actually wanted the South and not a particular individual, they would have jumped at the North PDP's offer of microzoning to the SE. They didn't because that does not suit their plans. Wike instigated the exit of Umahi from PDP. He instigated the exit of Obi from PDP. Yet you claim he wants a southern President. Southern indeed. The G5 cannot be in a position to pontificate on defection. Ortom defected from PDP to APC and then back to PDP. Seyi Makinde was not a member of PDP before. So what right do they have to condemn defection? In any case, they never did. That's simply a figment of your imagination. You already defeated your claim that Presidential contest is between North and South by mentioning OBJ. Zoning is not cast in stone. You're only buttressing my point that politicians subscribe to zoning only when it favours their interest. When it favours their proclivities, I'm sure they will support micro-zoning. There is no morality in picking and choosing how zoning should happen. Right now, a lot of people are of the opinion that the presidency should go to NC or NE in 2031 and not NW because they have had Buhari and Yaradua. Do you think that is wrong thinking as well?

Kukutenla:


Noted

Ok.