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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 1:52pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:


Add 'Haley Voters For Harris' that just launched a seven-figure ad buy in key swing states to that Missing in Action list.

I am hoping you will see what happened to them on the election day, you in particular should agree with me that the polls sometimes don't show everything... like in 2016 right cheesy

2016, Hilary spent 760M on campaign Trump spent less than half of that. Yet she lost

Maybe these ad will make groceries cheaper or reduce the cost of living. Haley voters for Harris you mean Democrats who tried to vote in GOP primaries?

Haley herself is supporting Trump

Haley supporters ignore your economic realities, ignore the failed policies of the last 4 yrs, ignore that you cant afford the same things you could last year and just vote against your economic interest because the "Haley for Harris" campaign will subsidize and make things cheaper for you
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 1:55pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:


lol... Tell me which policy as any VP disagreed with during their presidency and the consequence of it? You need that Civic class lecture jor cheesy

Did Harris disagree with some of Bidens policies? If she did then she should say it. She didnt say she did, you are claiming she does not yet cannot point which

Pence disagreed with Trumps handling of Jan 6 for example and he lost favor with Trump yet maintained his principles

Where is Harris honor if she cant tell what she didnt agree with
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 2:05pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


Welcome to the party. You are MAGA if you acknowledge there is inflation and there is a crisis at the border. If you denied the obvious will make you not MAGA

That is how stuff works

Being attacked by the left and the right for my "unpopular views" na normal thing sha.

You should see me having to explain my Liberal values whenever I'm called "not being liberal enough" because I chose to appeal to the liberal value of reasoning which made me not to propagate those narratives of the "powers that be of the left" that are ridiculous and false. E funny die ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Make I no even talk about that of MAGAs whenever I oppose Trump, that one na another case ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.

Do you recall what I told you, that you will get a tag soon from the left. That is how things work.I supported Biden on this thread 4yrs ago because I thought the worst thing was Trumps insults until the economic realities of the last 3.5yrs hit

Wonders ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ฎ

Me, after 2016 in which I supported Hillary (I'm still heartbroken she didn't win. When she gave her speech at the DNC, one of the things that came out of my mouth was, "This should have been the President." ), 2020 I was just looking at Trump and Biden like a zombie, same way I'm looking at Trump and Kamala ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.


#Xavier
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 2:07pm On Oct 03
Maeve7:


Mexico didnโ€™t pay? cheesy

๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 2:08pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:


Being attacked by the left and the right for my "unpopular views" na normal thing sha.

You should see me having to explain my Liberal values whenever I'm called "not being liberal enough" because I chose to appeal to the liberal value of reasoning which made me not to propagate those narratives of the "powers that be of the left" that are ridiculous and false. E funny die ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Make I no even talk about that of MAGAs whenever I oppose Trump, that one na another case ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.



If you noticed at least on this thread, how many right leaning people have attacked you or characterized you when you criticized them? No.

But you acknowledging there is an inflation which everyone in Biden admin admits is you being MAGA. That is how stuff works
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 2:15pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


If you noticed at least on this thread, how many right leaning people have attacked you or characterized you when you criticized them? No.

But you acknowledging there is an inflation which everyone in Biden admin admits is you being MAGA. That is how stuff works

Where's the lie in this... ๐Ÿ˜”

Well... that's American politics for you; an us vs them thing. Lots of people don't care about the truth or reality anymore, except being loyal to their respective left wing or right wing party.

But all in all, as Dr Phil puts it;

There are the left and the right, and there is fact.

Liberalism, thanks to liberal values of truth, reasoning and open mindedness, demands one follows the path of facts, irrespective of whether it is favourable or not.


#Xavier
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by ObaIgwe1: 2:25pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


Welcome to the party. You are MAGA if you acknowledge there is inflation and there is a crisis at the border. If you denied the obvious will make you not MAGA

That is how stuff works

Do you recall what I told you, that you will get a tag soon from the left. That is how things work. I supported Biden on this thread 4yrs ago because I thought the worst thing was Trumps insults until the economic realities of the last 3.5yrs hit

You supported Biden 4yrs ago? That is news to me.

And what economy realities are you talking about? How come high inflation was global phenomenon immediately after covid? You should appreciate Bideneconomics, you would have been worse off.

The inflation started with The Biden rescue plan which was an injection of government spending, at $1.9 trillion (or about 9 percent of overall U.S. economic activity, i.e. GDP) at that time. This boosted overall spending in the economy, which, in turn, counteracted the sharp rise in unemployment and spending cuts by both households and businesses that resulted from the COVID lockdown.

Remember, Bidenโ€™s American Rescue Plan focused on direct stimulus checks to households, providing funds for state and local governments to sustain their public health, education and public safety programs, the expansion of unemployment benefits, the protection of workersโ€™ pension plans, and expanding the tax credit program for low-income families with children.

The Biden rescue plan, did indeed prevent a 1930s-level economic collapse in 2021. Unemployment in the U.S. could well have risen to perhaps 15-20 percent in 2021. But this achievement by the Biden administration has gone mostly uncredited, given that it succeeded in preventing a calamity that did not happen, as opposed to advancing a positive economic breakthrough of some sort.

But the good news is that inflation is coming down, economy is stronger, more jobs have been created and things are looking forward...

Just so bad that Biden is made to take the fall for Covid measures which Trump badly mismanaged. Americans should be grateful for Bidens economic measures not crucify him... but of course the easy thing to do is to blame the current government for the inflation without looking at the cause.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 3:04pm On Oct 03
Basilico ono will say:

Ray from Delaware 1y ago

It is my opinion that the whole breach of the capital was planned and orchestrated by Nancy and the democrats and abated by the intelligence agencies. The 2020 election was fraught with election fraud in many states and for the DOJ, FBI, MSM and this paper to say "nothing to see here" shows just how corrupt our government and media are. It seems Trump was and remains a serious threat to the deep state and their willing to do just about anything to keep him out of office. Thats why I'm voting for Trump!

And the response to basilico is:

NWCitizen 1y ago

So Nancy Pelosi ordered all of Trump's thugs to assemble in Washington to listen to Trump rant about the cowardly Pence and how they have to "fight like hell" if they want to have a country, then climb walls and break windows to get in the Capitol bearing clubs, bear spray, confederate flags, wearing hate group insignia, building nooses and screaming "hang Mike Pence" and try to break into the House chamber where the lawmakers were huddled while trashing the Capitol? BTW, they didn't have guns because they had to go though metal detectors to get into the area where their hero was speaking. When trump finally told them to go home, he told them that he "loved" them and they wee "very special."

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 3:06pm On Oct 03
EnlightenedUFO:


Maga seems like a social experiment to weed out the dumbest people in all of us. And it's working great.
Ask them if they ever recall the Pence years under the rapist trump?

If not for the maga cultists shouting "Hang Mike Pence", who'd known that the rapist felon trump ever had a VP?

Those were feds who put up the gallows and led the chants.
You are so deceived.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 3:09pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:
I like this Evangelical for Harris ad

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4hSz2boDVPc

Keep clear of people like dump!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 3:18pm On Oct 03

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 3:58pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:


This guy has gone viral for giving Vance 'civics lesson' after debate

Some Trumpists here might need to learn from him too by listening to him s l o w l y cheesy

VP has no power to conceive and implement his/her own policies.

I think American civics is complex, esp. if you didn't have the opportunity to learn it as a student.
And even Americans who did study it, often don't fully understand it let along people who never have and haven't attempted to.
The VP is largely ceremonial. Her/His powers are derived from the portfolio the President gives her. Just like any regular person.
The VP's biggest power which is surprising is that they are the President of the Senate and can cast tie breaking votes.

This was one of the moments Waltz strategically didn't correct Vance. They want to give Harris as much Executive responsibility as possible.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:00pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:
Me still trying to understand how I entered this fight ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

raumdeuter, IjeBos

My fault.
I tried my hardest not to involve you by not directly quoting your name.

But it's not really a fault, more like me beating Raumdeuter down.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:02pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


There is an insecure guy, who has failed at everything and has no one close to him who loves him seeking validation o the web. He is begging for your endorsement, So kindly give him and make his day

My man, 4 hours a day.
You spend 4 hours a day on Nairaland.
You should go and hide and never show your face again.

Holy Sweet Jesus, 4 hours a day since 2014?
Dude, noone is causing your failures but you. Not the immigrants, not other black people.
Lol.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 4:04pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:


My man, 4 hours a day.
You spend 4 hours a day on Nairaland.
You should go and hide and never show your face again.

Holy Sweet Jesus, 4 hours a day since 2014?
Dude, noone is causing your failures but you. Not the immigrants, not other black people.
Lol.

Unfortunately you are the one always whining and playing the victim that is why I knew you are a failure, Only failures depict themselves as victims

You have failed in every endeavor. Its not the white, Its not America, Its not Israel, not the people on this thread, not your friends who already have kids in colleges but you. You were born to fail.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:06pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:
I like this Evangelical for Harris ad

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4hSz2boDVPc

Good ad.
How any Christian can vote for this man is beyond me
It makes me mad as a Christian.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 4:19pm On Oct 03
Govt delays release of Hunter Biden crimes until after elections
DOJ won't release the investigations of fbi informants on Jan 6 until after elections.

Meanwhile Jackboot accusations against Trump in a case that will obviously be thrown out is released before elections.
See the pattern?

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:21pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:
MY THOUGHTS ON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES

Honestly, I have to admit, the vice presidential debate was the presidential debate we were looking for but never got. For the first time in a long while, we were exposed to a civil, respectful, passionate, smart, and patriotic debate, scratch that, discuss between two smart, respectful, passionate, sane, composed, presidential, and patriotic Americans. The debate was way... way... way better by miles to the junks we've been having in the name of presidential debates.

Three set of things I noticed from the comments of wall street journal were I watched the debates (I preferred an independent media rather than a right wing or left wing media in other to avoid the right wing or left wing bias comments, the audience of wall street journal were a mix of civil and sane liberals, conservative and independents) were;

* Vance and Walz were more presidential than their principals.
* Audience wished Vance and Walz were the presidential candidates instead.
* It was the debates Americans had been looking for; civil, respectful, smart, passionate and patriotic.

And I'm 100% in agreement with that. For the first time in a long time, I saw liberals and conservatives seeing eye to eye with each other, and disagreeing respectively in the comments. For the first time in a long while, patriotism was the order of the day. The aura of Vance and Walz truly rubbed off on the audience.

One of the most beautiful thing was hearing, "I agree with Vance on this," "I agree with Walz on that." The empathy Vance showed towards Walz when he talked about his mass shooting experience was heartwarming, likewise how they focused their attention on each other when one was speaking, it showed they were willing to listen, and probably learn.

As I said, I'm 100% in agreement that these two should have been the presidential candidates instead of their principals. Vance had the cerebral capacity, and Walz exuded enormous passion to serve his country. With these two as presidential candidates, irrespective of who would have won, America would have been in good hands. That's how it should be rather than a situation where one gets scared when a particular candidate wins. The greatest miracle Americans would be eternally grateful for is waking up and finding out that these two are the presidential candidates ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜.

Who won the debate? To me, both won. They showed that there's hope for America. They showed that we have people that are willing and passionate to serve this great country. Both made their case to the best of their abilities, and I can tell from the body language of the moderators that they enjoyed the show, who wouldn't? I almost didn't want it to end.

Someone asked me, if Vance and Walz were the presidential candidates, who would I have supported?

Now that's a tough choice, but after reflecting on it for quite some time, I will say, Tim Walz. Why? Well, when I see Tim Walz, I see a patriotic, competent and passionate leader and servant of the people. Don't get me wrong, Vance is a smart, sane, cool, patriotic, and passionate guy also (he's willingness to grant interview and engagements both with left and right wings media and audience is highly commendable), yes he has his flaws, but he's an amazing guy whether you love him or hate him, he's someone I would love to see run for president someday. As I said, Vance is an amazing guy, but I prefer Tim Walz for the reasons mentioned.

Aside that, the performance of Tim Walz right from his time as Congressman to his moments as Governor has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive. Yes, he's made bad decisions and said things that were either wrong or false as a political leader; yes, I don't agree with all his views and policies, but nevertheless, hate him or love him, he's a competent leader, and way more presidential than Kamala and Trump combine.

When I heard him speak during his unveiling as the vice presidential candidate, I was like, "This should be the presidential candidate." And I'm not being sexist here, I will pick an Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosy, or Michelle Obama over Tim Walz, but with Kamala, I'm going with Walz. Kamala doesn't appeal to me for a number of reasons. But if Vivek Ramaswamy is in the scene, forget about it, Vivek Ramaswamy all the way, that's my guy. I guess now, I will be called a Democrat voting Independent for saying I will vote Walz over Vance ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ.

This is the reason, I'm very mad at the Dems and GOP. GOP had the candidates like Ron DeSantes, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy etc, but chose Trump of all people. Dems had people like Tim Walz, Gavin Newsom etc, but preferred Kamala. Why won't they, when they know they have loyal voting base๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿ™„.

Right now, with Trump and Kamala as the presidential candidates, I'm not supporting neither. As a matter of fact, I've washed my hands off the election. Whoever wins, wins, I don't give a fรผck. My focus is on 2028.

But all in all, the debate was impressive, and Vance and Walz were amazing. There's hope for America ๐Ÿ˜Š.

#Xavier

Can agree with a lot of this. This is how our debates were pre-Trump. Trump changed the game.
Some things to point out
1.) Harris was that way in that debate because of Trump. She had to push back on his lies 1.) If she didn't she would have gotten pummelled by Trump and all his lies and name calling and 2.) to reveal his character that a lot of people on the right wouldn't have seen. If she didn't she would have gotten pummelled by Trump and all his lies and name calling. If Harris was debating anyone else, it wouldn't have been that way. Trump is the chaos agent and brings chaos in anything he touches. Look back at the Obama-McCain, Obama-Romney, Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry debates. Then look at any debate involving Trump. They automatically devolve.

2.) The VP debate was that way because Waltz made a decision not to fact check Vance. And he didn't have to because Vance is not the Principle. His goal was to push Harris's policies and not get caught up in places or arguments that would hurt Harris. JD Vance doesn't matter, people don't go to vote for a VP. Plus he has been properly trashed already and has been since the debate. If this was a Presidential debate, it wouldn't have been the same. Waltz would have to go after Vance's many considerable lies.

3.) JD Vance was a wolf in sheep's clothing in that debate. Vance and Walz could agree on things, because Vance wasn't articulating Trump or Republican policies. Vance's primary job was to clean up the turd that was Trump's policies and he did that by largely lying about them. Two of the biggest Republican issues he basically backtracked and lied about. He said Trump fixed ObamaCare(lie). He said he didn't want a national Abortion ban (lie).

4.) Wall St Journal is a right wing/conservative paper. If you want a center/right source these days you might want to watch CNN, it's controlled by a Conservative now and it shows in the on air reporting.

5.) And don't worry I still think you're center right.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:32pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:


Na which Harry Potter stunt you wan pull ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ



Everybody with their view on the issue. Same way a couple of folks I've engaged with told me Walz made an unwise choice being Kamala's VP. In their view, a man of his capacity should have been the main guy. That's just it.

This is election, so many likes and dislikes are flying all over the place, but one thing is certain, Vance and Walz, love them or hate them, are way more presidential than their principals. For Trump and Kamala, I'm so livid with GOP and DEMS.


A lot of the sentiment you hear and I hear is implicit sexism. I realized a lot of Nigerian men do not want Harris to win because it will affect theit world view and their belief that they are dominant over woman. Cna't relaly tell your wife you're a woman and I'm a man so I have more power, when the most powerful person in the world is a woman.
And everyone has that implicit bias, I realized even I do. I call Harris by her first name Kamala and Trump and Biden by their last. Why? Read a good article that it's sexism and it happens to a lot of female doctors. So, I've been making an effort to call her Harris.

Xavier5:

One, I don't vote who I feel is not worthy of my vote. I need to be at peace with my conscience.

Two, nothing will make Americans lose their power to vote, not now, not in the future, except you are trying to tell me that the democratic and governmental institution is weak. But, it's not, it's stronger than anyone, be it Trump or Kamala, so how will "we the people" lose the right and power to vote?

It's boring and annoying having to hear this narrative. "Trump is a threat to democracy. Trump is this, Trump is that..." All that's bullshit, neither Trump or Kamala is greater and stronger than America's democratic and governmental institutions. These institutions stands supreme over all. So no right or power is going anywhere.
As it should be... ๐Ÿ˜Ž

#Xavier

Trump really is. A lot of what Presidents' have been restrained by in the past has not been laws but norms. Trump blew up a lot of those norms. And some people quit or didn't do what he wanted because they were afraid of going go to jail. The Supreme Court blew that up with the immunity ruling. Now, as long as the President couches his actions through some Presidential action, he's ok.
Lock someone up, President controls the DOJ, ok.
We are on the precipice.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 4:34pm On Oct 03
I'm posting this for the attention of Xavier5 who sees no threat to democracy.

Personally, I don't think people waste $15m on nothing.

Why has Thiel been such a strong sponsor of Vance? Because Thiel sees in his protege a future leader of a political movement to turn the US away from democracy. โ€œFor Peter,โ€ said one of the people familiar with his thinking, โ€œVance is a generational bet.โ€

Thiel is a self-styled libertarian who once wrote: โ€œI no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.โ€

https://www.nairaland.com/post/132270346
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:35pm On Oct 03
AmazonTopaz:

For Kamala to be a successful President she needs the House and Senate to make any meaningful change. I agree with you, this is a big shoe to fill because if she messes up, misogynists will tell us that women should not be in power despite incompetent men like Trump, Hoover, Reagan etc being in power.

I want her to succeed and I hope she gets to nominate SCOTUS Justices if she stays for up to 8 years.

My niece doesn't want her to win because of this. She's scared if anything happens they will blame women and black women for it.
I was somewhat surprised at that comment. Never thought of it.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:41pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


2016, Hilary spent 760M on campaign Trump spent less than half of that. Yet she lost

Maybe these ad will make groceries cheaper or reduce the cost of living. Haley voters for Harris you mean Democrats who tried to vote in GOP primaries?

Haley herself is supporting Trump

Haley supporters ignore your economic realities, ignore the failed policies of the last 4 yrs, ignore that you cant afford the same things you could last year and just vote against your economic interest because the "Haley for Harris" campaign will subsidize and make things cheaper for you

The problem is your logic is always flawed.
You ascribe blame to Biden and Kamala for inflationionary policies and thus if Trump is elected Inflation will decrease.
Yet you cannot name one policy Trump will enact that will ease inflation or one policy Trump enacted that made the economy great (while he was President) outside of getting ti from Obama.
And yet cannot also explain why the whole WORLD post Covid had inflation (where the US fared the best), including Nigeria which now has crippling inflation.

Everything you post is faux intellectual puff that tries to disguise that you have 0 idea what you're talking about.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:42pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:


Being attacked by the left and the right for my "unpopular views" na normal thing sha.

You should see me having to explain my Liberal values whenever I'm called "not being liberal enough" because I chose to appeal to the liberal value of reasoning which made me not to propagate those narratives of the "powers that be of the left" that are ridiculous and false. E funny die ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Make I no even talk about that of MAGAs whenever I oppose Trump, that one na another case ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.



Wonders ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ฎ

Me, after 2016 in which I supported Hillary (I'm still heartbroken she didn't win. When she gave her speech at the DNC, one of the things that came out of my mouth was, "This should have been the President." ), 2020 I was just looking at Trump and Biden like a zombie, same way I'm looking at Trump and Kamala ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.


#Xavier

You are not liberal. You sound like a pre-Trump Republican in the mold of George Bush.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 4:48pm On Oct 03
Xavier5:

Two, nothing will make Americans lose their power to vote, not now, not in the future, except you are trying to tell me that the democratic and governmental institution is weak. But, it's not, it's stronger than anyone, be it Trump or Kamala, so how will "we the people" lose the right and power to vote?

It is not Trump or Kamala that are looking to weaken the democratic and governmental institutions. One can't argue however that there aren't some (Thiel, Hamas, Putin, Rocket Man, China, etc), who will profit from such weakening, and are prepared to work towards weakening it by using the unaware trumps and kamalas.

The democratic and governmental institution will become weak when people become complacent. Thankfully, the constant resilience and strength I see encourages me.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:56pm On Oct 03
ObaIgwe1:


You supported Biden 4yrs ago? That is news to me.

And what economy realities are you talking about? How come high inflation was global phenomenon immediately after covid? You should appreciate Bideneconomics, you would have been worse off.

The inflation started with The Biden rescue plan which was an injection of government spending, at $1.9 trillion (or about 9 percent of overall U.S. economic activity, i.e. GDP) at that time. This boosted overall spending in the economy, which, in turn, counteracted the sharp rise in unemployment and spending cuts by both households and businesses that resulted from the COVID lockdown.

Remember, Bidenโ€™s American Rescue Plan focused on direct stimulus checks to households, providing funds for state and local governments to sustain their public health, education and public safety programs, the expansion of unemployment benefits, the protection of workersโ€™ pension plans, and expanding the tax credit program for low-income families with children.

The Biden rescue plan, did indeed prevent a 1930s-level economic collapse in 2021. Unemployment in the U.S. could well have risen to perhaps 15-20 percent in 2021. But this achievement by the Biden administration has gone mostly uncredited, given that it succeeded in preventing a calamity that did not happen, as opposed to advancing a positive economic breakthrough of some sort.

But the good news is that inflation is coming down, economy is stronger, more jobs have been created and things are looking forward...

Just so bad that Biden is made to take the fall for Covid measures which Trump badly mismanaged. Americans should be grateful for Bidens economic measures not crucify him... but of course the easy thing to do is to blame the current government for the inflation without looking at the cause.


This is a good post, but too complex for a lot of people on here. And too complex for Biden or Harris to make a case for in a debate.
And that's the problem, some people have to experience the bad before they understand it, yet a good leaders goal is to prepare and prevent it.
And that is the reason they've tried to steer away from talking about it. They have a good case, but it's a too complex case to fit in a sound bite.

And Republicans are always intellectual dishonest in these type of discussions. How many people are giving Obama the credit for the Economy Trump inherited and how he managed the Economy and the bailouts he had to do enact to keep the World Economy from crashing.

The thing that pissed me off the most, was that Trump ran on Obama's terrible economy. The minute he got into office he said the Economy was great. Why? Because he said, of course now he's President.

History books will judge Biden well for this.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 4:57pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:


My man, 4 hours a day.
You spend 4 hours a day on Nairaland.
You should go and hide and never show your face again.

Holy Sweet Jesus, 4 hours a day since 2014?
Dude, noone is causing your failures but you. Not the immigrants, not other black people.
Lol.

You've spent 4 hours a day here since 2014.
I think that says enough about you.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:01pm On Oct 03
Implicit Bias I'm guilty of as well.
Thougts?

Call the vice president by her (last) name
The Sunday afternoon President Biden stepped back from the 2024 race, I was on the phone with my mom. โ€œWell, Kamala is the obvious pick,โ€ we agreed. Later that day after Bidenโ€™s support for the vice president was announced, I was on several text threads, most of them echoing something like this: โ€œIโ€™m so excited about Kamala;โ€ โ€œCome on, Kamala;โ€ โ€œKamala looks great;โ€ โ€œVery excited about Kamala!โ€ and simply โ€œKamalaaaaaaaa.โ€

No one referred to her as โ€œVice President Kamala Harris,โ€ the VP, Kamala Harris, or even simply Harris. And while it may seem trivial, before this goes any further, we need to start calling the vice president by her full name.

A 2022 Mayo Clinic study found that female doctors were twice as likely to be called by their first name compared with their male counterparts. And this happens across professions and class lines โ€” even to first ladies like Dr. Jill Biden who happen to also be college professors. A Cornell University report from 2018 noted how this discrepancy starts young โ€” college students were nearly 56% more likely to call a male professor by his last name on the review site Rate My Professor. Male and female doctors, professors, and even vice presidents all have to earn their degrees and titles the same way, and yet we insist on calling professional women by their first names.
https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2024/08/09/vice-president-kamala-harris-election-laura-hertzfeld
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 5:04pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:


You've spent 4 hours a day here since 2014.
I think that says enough about you.

You have failed all your life in every endeavor that says enough about you
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:17pm On Oct 03
raumdeuter:


You have failed all your life in every endeavor that says enough about you

Here's your chance. Tell me the endeavors I've failed in. List them out. Be exact.
But you can't. But you write this like it's you life's mantra.
Do you understand how unwell that makes you. How broken of a person.
You've spent 4 hours a day since 2014 writing nonsense like this.

What happened to you Trump nutters that makes you act like lunatics?
You lost, I've beat you in every argument here, be a grown up and get over it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 5:22pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:
Implicit Bias I'm guilty of as well.
Thougts?


Extreme foolishness and the victimhood has done irreparable damage to you thats why you are always a victim and can never be succesful

A name is to serve as a unique identifier as much as possible, So people address you by a name that is distinct and will cause less confusion.

If you say Harris, there are many Harris that can be confused for each other but if you say Kamala there are fewer Kamala than Harris. Kamala will serve more as a unique identifier for Kamala Harris than say Harris

When you say Clinton, There was a popular Clinton that people already know which is Bill, to distinguish, you have to say Hillary which zeroes in on the person you are speaking about same thing with Michelle Obama

The same logic when people are describing Bush. If you say Bush, there are likely different people that can be confused for it, That is why people use the differentiators like HW, W or Jeb. Actually When Jeb Bush ran his campaign he was called Jeb all through and he was not a woman
Even in Basketball, While some male ballers are more popular by their first name, some are more popular with their last name. People address Lebron Shaquille Kobe with their first names and Jordan, Durant, Westbrook by their last names or in your view its implicit bias that's making people address men differently?

Now lets test your theory and tell me if you call these famous women by their first name or last name Nancy Pelosi, Sonia Sotomayor, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Margaret Thatcher

Most people will call the above women by their last name Pelosi, Sotomayor, Thatcher, Stefanik, Okonjo-Iweala and not their first name because that name is distinct enough and causes less confusion to the average listener

Or do you refer to Nancy Pelosi as Nancy, Sonia Sotomayor as Sonia, Margaret Thatcher as Margaret, Elise Stefanik as Elise? or Okonjo-Iweala as Ngozi?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 5:29pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:


Here's your chance. Tell me the endeavors I've failed in. List them out. Be exact.
But you can't. But you write this like it's you life's mantra.
Do you understand how unwell that makes you. How broken of a person.
You've spent 4 hours a day since 2014 writing nonsense like this.

What happened to you Trump nutters that makes you act like lunatics?
You lost, I've beat you in every argument here, be a grown up and get over it.

The only thing you are better at is victimhood, Perpetual victim
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 5:31pm On Oct 03
IjeBos:


Here's your chance. Tell me the endeavors I've failed in. List them out. Be exact.
But you can't. But you write this like it's you life's mantra.
Do you understand how unwell that makes you. How broken of a person.
You've spent 4 hours a day since 2014 writing nonsense like this.

What happened to you Trump nutters that makes you act like lunatics?
You lost, I've beat you in every argument here, be a grown up and get over it.

Spend more time doing something productive and not be gay because you are an incel. Try a relationship with a woman.

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