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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:22pm On Oct 07 |
Xavier5:Belief is subjective in all contexts, because it is done by individual subjects. Personal opinion is also subjective because it is the opinion of personal individual subjects. Value, as in, what is held to be of value, and the value things have, is subjective, because value is determined by individual subjects, a la one persons gold is another person's dross. Xavier5:Bingo. And that's because we are all individual subjective subjects, each with separate brains in our heads, and with different educations and dictionaries, and understandings and contexts and etc and etc and etc and...... Xavier5:When beliefs are true or right, they stop being beliefs and become knowledge. And this, by the way, is why your post should be in a thread in the religious section where it rightly belongs, so I wouldn't need to hesitate to educate you about how stupid ignorant Adam was enslaved to the belief he would surely die until use her senses Eve freed him from slavery with knowledge. I may believe all I want that I have a billion pounds in my bank account, but on going to my bank and checking my account I would know if I had a billion pounds in my bank account or not instead of merely believing unverified ignorant crap in my head like basilico always does here. I may of course decide to go on believing whatever I want despite the available evidence but the objective reality is there whether I choose to accept it or not. And on that note, I must plug The Newsroom, the series I'm currently watching. It shows the difference between belief and knowledge, and the extent competent journalists will go to differentiate between the 2.
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:25pm On Oct 07 |
LordReed: I know Ijebos said so, my Lord. And I want to keep apologising to him for seeming to challenge his saying so. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 1:28pm On Oct 07 |
Trump went to the disaster area to help. IjeBos and Obrigardo were angry. I heard the $750 is a lone This woman is rightfully calling out anyone jumping on her posts to defend our cruel, incompetent, corrupt, America last administration! https://twitter.com/RealSeq16/status/1842978689497354729?t=KkRK8IU11AWbwgQMfCLQBg&s=19 |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:33pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: TDS is a huge issue for buda, and you should know that by now. At the last presidential election in USA, buda went to Wuhan to create Covid and brought it to America to kill millions of magas so dump would have fewer votes than Biden. At the presidential election in USA in less than 30 days, all the immigrants, legal and illegal, that buda has been bringing into america will all vote for Kamala so she wins the presidential election. Trust me, when I say we are not only eating the dogs and eating the cats and eating the pets in Springfield, but are using their blood to do the voodoo so dump loses all over America! |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:39pm On Oct 07 |
wirinet: I'd go as far as saying, the definition of liberalism is summed up in my body my choice, and I'm not limiting it to abortions. 1 Like
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 1:44pm On Oct 07 |
budaatum: I wanted to go with a follow up question, does that mean nothing is actually or inherently true or right? But then I saw the bolded. At least, you admit that truly there are things that are actually or inherently true or right, irrespective of individual opinions. You call them knowledge, I call them diverse names; concepts, beliefs, values, knowledge that are inherently or actually true or right. That's all I've been saying all this while. Personal opinions are personal opinions. Reality is reality. How do we know what's actually or inherently true or right? Evidence, reasoning, and universal intrinsic knowing. And that's the summary of all I've been saying. That's why I made it clear that objectivity and subjectivity both exist... in the context that some things are actually or inherently true or right irrespective of personal or individual opinions or perspectives. #Xavier |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 1:54pm On Oct 07 |
budaatum: TDS is now putting you in a hallucination state. |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 1:56pm On Oct 07 |
FEMA should be replaced All the money goes into housing illegals while Americans in need get it as a loan. Anything the democrats touch turns to shit https://twitter.com/Flylittledoggie/status/1843250923583472116?t=k8bKcUjkh5uwAfMjntQCeA&s=19
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 2:13pm On Oct 07 |
wirinet: Therein lies the problem. I don't share this version of liberalism. I've made known, in details, my version of liberalism which is based on the fundamental value of intrinsic human value, on which other values such as human rights, equality and liberty are based on. And because of my version of liberalism, I'm pro-life. And because of my version of liberalism, I'm hugely pro liberty, especially with one's body, but when a human life is being threatened or hurt, then I oppose. Which begs the question, is a fetus a human life? I've come across people that share my version of liberalism, and I've come across those that share yours. But, as I've earlier said, if your definition of liberalism is the dominant definition of liberalism in this thread, then I can't associate with it, I prefer to be seen as an independent in this thread. This discussion has already been done, and I don't want to go into that rollercoaster, but I just feel I should let you know... if it matters. #Xavier 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 2:27pm On Oct 07 |
wirinet: This is utter nonsense. A false dichotomy at its finest. You giving the notion that a person must either support complete freedom over one's or not be a liberal. liberalism is not monolithic, no be black and white thing same as many other things in life; it encompasses a range of positions on issues too. Person wey advocate for personal freedoms but still have reservations about abortion based on ethics. Generalization, you have the modest view of freedom you don't care about ethics and you left no room for nuance. Maybe you guys don't understand what liberalism is 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 2:35pm On Oct 07 |
budaatum: Lol. I mean to the US. In this scenario there are people who may need aid who may not get it because of the disinformation Musk is spreading. Biden should speak out. Not only would it be good governing (making sure people know what resources are available) it would be good politics. Showing Trump to be a liar about something as serious as a disaster. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 2:39pm On Oct 07 |
Xavier5: Did you read where I said hot is 0⁰c in humptydumpty land? Please go back and read Ijebos responses in that conversation, as they rightly apply here. Knowledge is not belief. (I have depluralised it on purpose). And the only reason you think otherwise is religion, which synonymises both words. Xavier5: You see the bold? I've been letting you get away with it, but the truth is it is nonsense and meaningless, as there is no universe that intrinsically knows anything, and nor do we humans all universally know the same things. And while you might not admit it, I am fully aware that it's a camouflage for some imaginary God. And now to your question "How do we know what's actually or inherently true or right?" Which is linguistically faulty, as true and right are not as interchangeable as you think, since "right" can mean "correct", or "proper", which are not the same thing as what is "true"! We know what is true by checking the evidence with our senses. Eve plucked the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and ate it to check if it would surely kill her, only to find it was good for gaining wisdom and for opening eyes and freeing one from slavery. I know if it is true or not that I have a billion pounds in my bank account because I got off my ass and went to the bank to check my account so I know. Basically, we ask and knock and seek by using our senses check so we may know the truth. We are often initially taught what we should accept as right or proper (morals, to be exact), i.e the 10 commandments, the law where we live, say please and thank you and the such like, but as we grow older, we individually decide what is right and proper for ourselves in many circumstances, and despite the desire of others to impose morality on one. An example is abortions, where there is no universal Intrinsic agreement. Xavier5:No one is unclear about the existence of objectivity and subjectivity, Xavier. (Though I'm tempted to ask how subjective thoughts in your head can possible exist for me unless you make them objective for me to see their existence, lol.) The question is, which is which. As in, what is objective existing verifiable fact, and what is subjective made up in one's head imaginary crap. |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 2:39pm On Oct 07 |
Xavier5: My guy, you're taking this too far. You can't be a liberal and have this much consternation about whether you will vote Trump or Harris. As a liberal that should have been an easy choice without all the discussion of running mates. Liberalism would have forced you to vote Harris based even on the liberal tenets you espoused. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 2:44pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: Another stupid talk. Something a person without agency would say. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Xavier5(m): 2:45pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: I'm not a liberal based on your version of liberalism, that I agree. And I made it known, if such is the dominant definition here, I'm independent in this thread, so I don't see the need for your back and forth. But one thing is certain, Xavier has come across liberals that share his version of liberalism. If anyone here choose not to believe it, that's their head ache, not mine. As for my choice of candidate, I made my choice, and I gave my reasons. If that doesn't sit well with you, that's your problem, not mine. I'm in no business of pleasing anybody here... so just die the matter. #Xavier 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 2:46pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: Hey Mods, this user is continuously spreading lies and conspiracies about a disaster in the US under the guise of living in the US. Fema has different streams of Funding for disasters and immigration. Funds for Disaster relief is in a dedicated Fund that can't be used for other things. There are resources available for those in need. https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 2:49pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: You are a sick person. You are reporting me to the mods because I said something about FEMA you don't like? Good lawd. You are damaged beyond damage. Get a life, you are a loser. Everything said is true. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 2:56pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: You have posted up here pretending to live in the US, while spreading easily debunked lies and false information about a disaster in the US. A lot of people are struggling and and your goal seems to be, to make it harder for them to get help in some seeming service to the Republican party. False claims about FEMA disaster funds and migrants pushed by Trump 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 2:56pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: Trust me, Ijebos, that if it were possible to stop disinformation, I'd ban the Bible and the Qur'an first, not so much because they misinform (they don't), but because people are misinformed by not understanding them. Thankfully, I see the unintended consequence of their enlightening effect so I'm glad both exist. Biden, or shall I say, liberalism, fights disinformation by educating, and Biden's government is doing what it can against the darkness of magaism trying to drown it out, and going any further would be edging into fascism, I think. My hope is that more see the light shining in the dark that is trying to overcome it. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 3:04pm On Oct 07 |
budaatum: Even the UK is doing a better job with it from what I've read. There has to be a balance. And I think laws can be structured that make spreading disinformation harder without running afoul of the 1st amendment. Maybe it's time to tweak section 230 and allow liability to media platforms that don't make a good faith concerted effort to shut down clear discernable lies that endanger the public good. The key of course would have to be in the language. We don't allow people to go into a crowded people and yell "FIRE" understanding what consequences that causes, we shouldn't allow the same on social media. And Biden addressing American would be educating them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 3:04pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: Dude, shut up; I live in the US, and if you can't handle that, kill yourself so you don't have to suffer from that. You cannot refute what I said Yes, FEMA took funds and used them for migrants. No, the media is not telling you the truth. No I do not need to see articles from Washington Post. If the money cannot be use for other purpose why are they broke? Which fund did they receive for illegals, was it money given to them for that purpose? Ewu https://twitter.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1842662782753194234?t=2l3iRlpKXhqvVXsqh_kF_g&s=19 1 Like
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 3:12pm On Oct 07 |
budaatum: Ahh Ok. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 3:12pm On Oct 07 |
The Democrats are claiming FEMA has two different budgets - one for migrant resettlement and one for disaster relief. The truth is Congress never allocated FEMA any money to fund Kamala Harris’s open border policy - they just took the money.https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1842827869111693452?t=PPq8Ob6rUeqYkhn7K3ZeSg&s=19 |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 3:27pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: Did you move to the US in 2021 as you told one of your friends or 2023 as you told everyone here? And again, this is where you said you stayed when you landed in the US. Why is this a picture of a place in Canada? You are using the lie that you are in the US to make your other lies seem more credible. That is a clear misinformation propagation strategy and it seems you are doing it purposefully. The mods should take a look.
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 3:29pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: We have different laws and education in UK that make a dump literally impossible here. We'd have labelled him a crackpot already and no one would listen to him even in a comedy club. But then, we also don't have people putting Bibles in classrooms neither I suppose, nor USA style freedom of speech. By the way, we do not disallow people going into a crowded people and yell "FIRE", since they don't need our permission or allowing to go into a crowded people and yell "FIRE". What we do do, and only sometimes, is hold people responsible for the consequences of going into a crowded people and yell "FIRE". In fact, you usually are allowed to do that without fear of arrest, lawsuits, or other legal consequences. Shouting “Fire” in a crowded theater, a metaphor that dates to a 1919 Supreme Court ruling by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., is widely—and wrongly—held to be a far-reaching exception to the First Amendment, which offers broad protection to free expression in the United States. |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 3:31pm On Oct 07 |
IjeBos: Just kill yourself, you are suffering. I only got back from Scotland yesterday. I was there for my daughters bday and a good time to watch my son play in his soccer team. What are you doing aside from trying to be the champion of Nairaland. See what a grown man almost the age of 50 is posting. Reporting the the mods likes a 5 year old. IjeBos: 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 3:33pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: FEMA and the Biden Harris government are messing up but since you are a liberal you must simp else you are not a liberal |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 3:38pm On Oct 07 |
The fair share talk is a dead horse they keep beating. https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1843282721172500667?t=6YFJdNJI41_SwppJWiphHQ&s=19 |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:01pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: FEMA had to create a misinformation page because people like you. You have spread every one of these rumors here and you aren't even a US citizen nor resident. Rumor: FEMA only provides loans to disaster survivors.
Rumor: Funding for FEMA disaster response was diverted to support international efforts or border related issues. Rumor: FEMA will only provide $750 to disaster survivors to support their recovery. https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response?fbclid=IwY2xjawFwB9dleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYCyRw0uptPUlSlHj2ndcmJhV0hqer_uDNBFmk33UMgKUEczkEaoVUQu4w_aem_pAbLUHvakbQnNtvDHlqioQ |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Obrigardo: 5:01pm On Oct 07 |
Xavier5: That's true bro. Not a funny matter. |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Obrigardo: 5:04pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: This pussy says he lives in the US Odikwa risky 😂🤭 Talk another lie now Mr Xenophobic asylum seeker squatting somewhere in Saskatchewan |
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:05pm On Oct 07 |
bemeruca: What does Scotland have to do with pretending you live in the US or posting pictures of Canada and pretending it was the US? It's a stupid person's way of deflecting the fact that you are lying about living in the US and posting misinformation and foreign propaganda. Look over there. |
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