Obrigardo:


This pussy says he lives in the US
Odikwa risky 😂🤭

Talk another lie now Mr Xenophobic asylum seeker squatting somewhere in Saskatchewan

I used to think he was mentally ill, but his continuous efforts to lie about it makes me think it has more to do with some kind of 419.

bemeruca:
Trump went to the disaster area to help. IjeBos and Obrigardo were angry. I heard the $750 is a lone



https://twitter.com/RealSeq16/status/1842978689497354729?t=KkRK8IU11AWbwgQMfCLQBg&s=19

Rapist trump and his goons set up a GoFundMe for the hurricane victims and we have no idea how they are going to move the money. But past GoFundMe's that the rapist has set up will give us a clue - he spent 3% of the funds on the recipient and pocketed the rest.

Meanwhile Dolly Parton gave out $1million of her own in hard cash and not so in a sleazy GoFundMe.

I doubt you even know about this, xenophobic black man hater with an empty bucket head devoid of a brain.

IjeBos:


FEMA had to create a misinformation page because people like you.
You have spread every one of these rumors here and you aren't even a US citizen nor resident.









https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response?fbclid=IwY2xjawFwB9dleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYCyRw0uptPUlSlHj2ndcmJhV0hqer_uDNBFmk33UMgKUEczkEaoVUQu4w_aem_pAbLUHvakbQnNtvDHlqioQ

Misinformation like hunter's laptop? You can't be this stupid.

How do you address this

Immigrants and their bad genes. Lol.
Reason 1,000,0026 Trump is a Racist Piece of Sh*t

How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know, now a murderer — I believe this — it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now. They left, they had 425,000 people come into our country that shouldn’t be here that are criminals. And, you know, one of the worst has 325,000 young children are missing. Can you imagine if that was Biden? No, no, can you imagine if that was Trump?

IjeBos:


What does Scotland have to do with pretending you live in the US or posting pictures of Canada and pretending it was the US?
It's a stupid person's way of deflecting the fact that you are lying about living in the US and posting misinformation and foreign propaganda.
Look over there.

It shows I have purpose in life, your purpose is Nairaland. When is your 50th bday?

How is your friends daughter doing in her university?
When will you sleep on the couch again to save a few change?

IjeBos:
Immigrants and their bad genes. Lol.
Reason 1,000,0026 Trump is a Racist Piece of Sh*t

Illegal migrants who entered this country recently are murderers. 13 thousand of them, another 10 thousand plus are serial rapists. This is not coming from trump, it is coming from the officials who are in charge of these things.

Yes, they are dangerous murderers who have it in their genes. Nothing racist about that.

Defend criminals, then attack someone, calling them out. That's insanity

Anything that has DEI in it is incompetent.

FEMA should be replaced

Xavier5:


Therein lies the problem. I don't share this version of liberalism. I've made known, in details, my version of liberalism which is based on the fundamental value of intrinsic human value, on which other values such as human rights, equality and liberty are based on. And because of my version of liberalism, I'm pro-life. And because of my version of liberalism, I'm hugely pro liberty, especially with one's body, but when a human life is being threatened or hurt, then I oppose. Which begs the question, is a fetus a human life?

I've come across people that share my version of liberalism, and I've come across those that share yours.

But, as I've earlier said, if your definition of liberalism is the dominant definition of liberalism in this thread, then I can't associate with it, I prefer to be seen as an independent in this thread.

This discussion has already been done, and I don't want to go into that rollercoaster, but I just feel I should let you know... if it matters.

#Xavier

Sorry I have not read your version of liberalism, been quite busy and just browse nairaland from time to time. Your definition of liberalism being "based on the fundamental value of intrinsic human value, on which other values such as human rights, equality and liberty" is quite vague and confusing. What exactly is intrinsic human value, and is it set in stone for all ages and cultures or is fluid between societies and times?

Now my confusion as to the brand of your liberalism is how you can be hugely pro liberty with one's body and at the same time anti liberty when a woman doesn't want a fetus in her body, because you place the rights of the fetus over that of the woman. A fetus is not a person, it is the process of making a person. A fetus particularly in the early stages is just a bunch of cell developing into a person. Getting sperm and egg together nowadays is not big deal, it could be done outside the woman's body. If we need to populate the earth with 8 more billion people, it could be easily achieved by harvesting eggs and sperms and building human incubators. Sex need not be involved.
It is moral ethics that prevents scientists from developing human cloning and human fetal incubators.

bemeruca:


It shows I have purpose in life, your purpose is Nairaland. When is your 50th bday?

How is your friends daughter doing in her university?
When will you sleep on the couch again to save a few change?

benalvino3:


It means day 1 in the united states. I enjoyed the couch.
You want to see my car?

Also, tell us where you think I am?
Let me make it easy for you.
1: Nigeria
2: Biafra (IPOB)
3: the United states.

So, there's nothing wrong with staying on anyone's couch if you have to. When I'm Lagos, I don't have to.
But, what I find hilarious is the people that accuse others of the things they are insecure about.

In this post here you are
1.) Saying you slept on someone's couch because I asked why you would book a crappy motel your first night in the US, that your company sponsored.
2.) Also lying that the picture of the crappy motel you claimed you stayed in was in the US, when in the picture we can see a British Columbia Bus Stop meaning the pic was of a motel in Canada.

Insecurity, Inconsistency and Lying seems to be a mainstay of a Trumper.

budaatum:


Did you read where I said hot is 0⁰c in humptydumpty land? Please go back and read Ijebos responses in that conversation, as they rightly apply here.

Knowledge is not belief. (I have depluralised it on purpose). And the only reason you think otherwise is religion, which synonymises both words.



You see the bold? I've been letting you get away with it, but the truth is it is nonsense and meaningless, as there is no universe that intrinsically knows anything, and nor do we humans all universally know the same things. And while you might not admit it, I am fully aware that it's a camouflage for some imaginary God.

Succinctly put.

wirinet:


You can't be liberal and at the same time be anti-abortion. Liberalism to means freedom of beliefs, actions and my body, as long as it does not infringement on the rights of other persons or injurious to the long term wellbeing of society.

I am conservative and I am pro-abortion.

raumdeuter:


I am conservative and I am pro-abortion.

I asked the question of how a conservative like Obama was running as a liberal Democrat since he was against gay marriage? they don't seem to want to answer that question

raumdeuter:


I am conservative and I am pro-abortion.

1.) You are not pro-choice (pro abortion).
2.) Maybe take a second and think through how what you wrote would impact what he wrote in any way.
Use your big boy thoughts.

budaatum:


Trust me, Ijebos, that if it were possible to stop disinformation, I'd ban the Bible and the Qur'an first, not so much because they misinform (they don't), but because people are misinformed by not understanding them. Thankfully, I see the unintended consequence of their enlightening effect so I'm glad both exist.

Biden, or shall I say, liberalism, fights disinformation by educating, and Biden's government is doing what it can against the darkness of magaism trying to drown it out, and going any further would be edging into fascism, I think.

My hope is that more see the light shining in the dark that is trying to overcome it.

Yes, that would make you fascist. After all, my brain, my choice! I think you mean the people who use them as tools to misinform. Otherwise, even scientific literature could be misunderstood by anybody or used as a tool to misinform.

The problem, I find with Democrats, is that everyone is a supposed "Intellectual," while they may be united on the presidential front, at ground level, they are very disjointed.

I was watching some live stream the other day, where the demo influencers held a meeting about tackling this disconnect within the demo camp at ground level. You know what, a meeting held to foster unity ended up turning into a heated debate---the irony. I see this same rhetoric playing out.

The crooners of the MAGA cult aren't exactly "dumb". I find several intellectuals in the camp, and can't be ignorant enough to say "Republicans are dumb." Trump, I believe, has them by the balls. Dare I say, Republicans are taking a huge heat due to Trump's stup.i.dity. But, the team has something the Demos currently lack--- "blind unity." Biden must be crying himself to sleep. hahahahaha.

Maga, I think, is a one-time sensation that will die when Trump loses steam.

Republicans are at it again.
Republicans in W. Virginia want to pass a resolution that says:

"... the State of West Virginia will not recognize an election of a candidate for President during the 2024 election cycle if the Attorney General of West Virginia or the Secretary of State of West Virginia, in consultation with the West Virginia Legislature, determine that election fraud in any state was a major reason that resulted in a candidate for President obtaining a majority in the Electoral College"

I don't think this will pass as it they would be scared to pass it. As, if they give themselves this tool, they would have to not certify the election, if Trump in any way says it was stolen or reap the wrath of MAGA's in their deep Republican state. No winning there.

Damn...
Back to back hurricane in Florida.

bemeruca:


I asked the question of how a conservative like Obama was running as a liberal Democrat since he was against gay marriage? they don't seem to want to answer that question

Yes that was going to be the follow up question that was Obama a liberal or conservative when he was against Gay marriage in 2008?

There are gay Republicans, so are they liberal or conservatives?

IjeBos:


1.) You are not pro-choice (pro abortion).
2.) Maybe take a second and think through how what you wrote would impact what he wrote in any way.
Use your big boy thoughts.

I am not pro choice or pro abortion because you said so?

Have you stopped to think about the insane things you say consistently

raumdeuter:


Yes that was going to be the follow up question that was Obama a liberal or conservative when he was against Gay marriage in 2008?

There are gay Republicans, so are they liberal or conservatives?

You watch idiots speak questions begin to arise.

wirinet thinks you cannot be a liberal and oppose Abortion.

IjeBos:


1.) You are not pro-choice (pro abortion).
2.) Maybe take a second and think through how what you wrote would impact what he wrote in any way.
Use your big boy thoughts.

you don't even understand the concept of libralism and conservatism.

bemeruca:


You watch idiots speak questions begin to arise.

wirinet thinks you cannot be a liberal and oppose Abortion.

Maybe my own definition of liberalism is at variance with yours, but according to me my simple definition of liberalism is "live and let live", meaning don't force your opinions, values and beliefs on others.

raumdeuter:

I am conservative and I am pro-abortion.

To me conservatism connotes holding on to and upholding traditional, cultural and religious values (and often imposing those values on others).
Abortion seems to be against religious and traditional values.

wirinet:


Maybe my own definition of liberalism is at variance with yours, but according to me my simple definition of liberalism is "live and let live", meaning don't force your opinions, values and beliefs on others.


To me conservatism connotes holding on to and upholding traditional, cultural and religious values (and often imposing those values on others).
Abortion seems to be against religious and traditional values.

Aren't liberals the champions of this? Live and let live and don't force your pronouns on me and have me lose my job. Live and let live and allow me to own my guns in peace.

Even from your view of liberalism, the argument you gave for it is flawed

IjeBos:
Republicans are at it again.
Republicans in W. Virginia want to pass a resolution that says:


I don't think this will pass as it they would be scared to pass it. As, if they give themselves this tool, they would have to not certify the election, if Trump in any way says it was stolen or reap the wrath of MAGA's in their deep Republican state. No winning there.

So its no longer the electoral body and the courts that will determine the legality elections in the US but partisan party officials. Interesting.....
So what happens if the elections are not certified because the Attorney General, the secretary of state and legislature think there is fraud? Hand over the electoral votes to the other candidate?

wirinet:


Maybe my own definition of liberalism is at variance with yours, but according to me my simple definition of liberalism is "live and let live", meaning don't force your opinions, values and beliefs on others.


To me conservatism connotes holding on to and upholding traditional, cultural and religious values (and often imposing those values on others).
Abortion seems to be against religious and traditional values.

Conservatism always stick to values that preserve society, cultural norms that works while retaining your freedom of expression. In other words conservatism is liberalism with common sense, tested ideas that benefits society. Liberalism is just pushing forward causing all sorts of instability and societal norms as it creates problems that are not there and tries to fix it.

wirinet:

So its no longer the electoral body and the courts that will determine the legality elections in the US but partisan party officials. Interesting.....
So what happens if the elections are not certified because the Attorney General, the secretary of state and legislature think there is fraud? Hand over the electoral votes to the other candidate?

They probably just would not do anything as Trump would have lost the election already.
That's their neat trick. If enough Republican states do the same and no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes, then it goes to the House of Representatives to decide. Which means Republicans would pick the next President as they control more States by vote.

What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 electoral votes?

If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the Presidential election leaves the Electoral College process and moves to Congress.
The House of Representatives elects the President from the three (3) Presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each State delegation has one vote and it is up to the individual States to determine how to vote. (Since the District of Columbia is not a State, it has no State delegation in the House and cannot vote). A candidate must receive at least 26 votes (a majority of the States) to be elected.
The Senate elects the Vice President from the two (2) Vice Presidential candidates with the most electoral votes. Each Senator casts one vote for Vice President. (Since the District of Columbia is not a State, it has no Senators so does not participate in the vote). A candidate must receive at least 51 votes (a majority of Senators) to be elected.
If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq#no270

wirinet:

Sorry I have not read your version of liberalism, been quite busy and just browse nairaland from time to time. Your definition of liberalism being "based on the fundamental value of intrinsic human value, on which other values such as human rights, equality and liberty" is quite vague and confusing. What exactly is intrinsic human value, and is it set in stone for all ages and cultures or is fluid between societies and times?

Read my write-ups on this thread that precede this, starting from my first response to LordReed. I explained what intrinsic human value is, and why I hold such view. I'm not going to be repeating myself.

Now my confusion as to the brand of your liberalism is how you can be hugely pro liberty with one's body and at the same time anti liberty when a woman doesn't want a fetus in her body, because you place the rights of the fetus over that of the woman. A fetus is not a person, it is the process of making a person. A fetus particularly in the early stages is just a bunch of cell developing into a person. Getting sperm and egg together nowadays is not big deal, it could be done outside the woman's body. If we need to populate the earth with 8 more billion people, it could be easily achieved by harvesting eggs and sperms and building human incubators. Sex need not be involved.
It is moral ethics that prevents scientists from developing human cloning and human fetal incubators.

What makes an organism a human life? Let's start from there.



#Xavier

IMAliyu2:
Damn...
Back to back hurricane in Florida.

New brainlet conspiracy theory just dropped.

MFs would rather invent a new conspiracy theory, that acknowledge, climate change, and that these are facts climate researchers have been predicting for years. That warmer ocean waters would result in larger costal storms and hurricanes.

raumdeuter:


I am not pro choice or pro abortion because you said so?

Have you stopped to think about the insane things you say consistently

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

raumdeuter:


I am conservative and I am pro-abortion.

As I always tell people, conservatism and liberalism are broad spectrums containing various school of thoughts. Yes, at the core values, they all agree, but in some cases, there will be disagreement or variants, just like we see in every other worldviews e.g theism, Christianity etc

Calling someone "not conservative" or "not liberal" because of their pro-choice or pro-life views respectively, is like a theist calling a deist "not theist"; or a Protestant calling a Catholic, "not Christian"; or a polytheistic Hindu calling a Monotheistic Hindu (like Vivek Ramaswamy), "not Hindu"; or a pro intelligent design Christian calling a theistic evolution Christian, "not Christian; or a pro-life Christian calling a pro-choice Christian, "not Christian". It's funny and ridiculous as hell 😂😂😂

This is the why most pro-choice conservatives and pro-life liberals do not express their views, and lots of them that do, claim independents (in other to avoid opposition) before doing so. Only few like me... and you... are bold enough to speak and stand their ground in the face of opposition.

Surprisingly, I'm yet to see a conservative attack you on this thread for being pro-choice unlike a certain member of this thread who was unfortunate enough to open his mouth in favor of pro-life 😂. But as I said, since my liberalism does not align with the dominant liberalism on this thread, I have humbly claim independent on this thread... for peace to reign 😂



#Xavier

Xavier5:


Read my write-ups on this thread that precede this, starting from my first response to LordReed. I explained what intrinsic human value is, and why I hold such view. I'm not going to be repeating myself.



What makes an organism a human life? Let's start from there.



#Xavier

A living organism with complete set of human (homo sapiens) DNA.