Xavier5:


If the fetus is a human life.....

If! Except that I have not agreed with you that"the foetus is a human life" now, have I?

Fuq, Xavier5. Your signature says "Philosophy Enthusiast", so I do expect simple logic to prevail and be an intrinsic value you'd want to display here, unless you are sharing Bem's position of his behaviour not reflecting his displayed moral values, which I'm not buying as you can clearly see.

basilico:


A foetus right to live is determined by the carrier of the inborn. If she doesn't want the child to be born at any time of the pregnancy,then she gets an abortion.
If the govt can fund every abortion the better,. If the govt can force doctors to mail abortion pills without physical examination the better.

That's the gospel according to budaatum

You must show where buda said government must fund the abortion of basilico please, because, personally, I'm very willing to pay to abort you myself!

budaatum:


Would you like to argue that the action of lying is now morally right and proper or what?

Go ahead please. Knock me out.

Lol, ye shall know them.

When Jesus says, “You will know them by their fruit,” what does “fruit” mean? Jesus gave the illustration of grape vines and fig trees. When we see grape vines, we expect them to contain grapes in season. We also expect fig trees to produce figs. A produce farmer who notices one of his fruit trees not bearing any fruit will cut it down. It is useless. Likewise, we would not come to a field of thistles and expect to harvest fruit. Thistles and thorn bushes can never produce fruit because of their nature. It is impossible. They have no capacity to produce anything but thorns (Matthew 12:33).

In our lives, every word and every action is fruit from our hearts. Sinners sin because that’s what is in their hearts. Thieves steal, rapists attack, and adulterers cheat because those sins are the fruit being produced from an evil heart. Bad hearts produce bad fruit. When Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit” concerning false teachers, He was giving us a guide for identifying them. False prophets, speakers of lies, will have actions that correspond to their errant message. Just as their message is anti-God, so will be their works. They will stray from the path of righteousness.

Educate yourself. https://www.gotquestions.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit.html

budaatum:


If! Except that I have not agreed with you that"the foetus is a human life" now, have I?

Fuq, Xavier5. Your signature says "Philosophy Enthusiast", so I do expect simple logic to prevail and be an intrinsic value you'd want to display here, unless you are sharing Bem's position of his behaviour not reflecting his displayed moral values, which I'm not buying as you can clearly see.

That's why I asked you, what makes an organism a human life? And does a fetus meet that requirement? Answer the question and stop beating about the bush. It's a simple question.


#Xavier

bemeruca:


Lol, ye shall know them.

Educate yourself. https://www.gotquestions.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit.html

The below is from what you posted and seem to not understand.

In our lives, every word and every action is fruit from our hearts. Sinners sin because that’s what is in their hearts. Thieves steal, rapists attack, and adulterers cheat because those sins are the fruit being produced from an evil heart.

What is in your heart is intrinsic in you!

If evil is intrinsic in you, evil is what you will do and produce as fruit!

ObaIgwe1:


Okay my bad.

But even at that, I doubt the quotation he made is right. We saw screenshots on this thread days ago showing Harris was endorsed by a number of State Teamsters unions.

Anyways I am not too worried by it, I doubt any of those who made those Teamsters polls advantage Trump ever voted for Dems before. Seems to me the leadership have been endorsing Dem Candidates while a good number of their members are Trumpists. My point is that while we see many who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 now planning to vote for Dem in 2024 in General Polls, the reverse is the case for Dem voters of 2016 and 2020.

Teamsters General president.

budaatum:


"Ye shall know them", bem, and not "they shall know themself and tell blind stupid you what they are"!

Fuqing hell! Did you pay so little schoolfees that they didn't bother educating you at all or what!?

You don't seem to get what I am saying.
lordreed was saying what if what the nazis did are good to them, and if they broke any laws. I said The whole world see that what they did was bad and they also knew what they did was bad which is why they tried to hide it.

So the question I am asking you is legit. When a person says he sees murder as a good thing, is it a good thing because he said so? or will you look at what he did as good because he said so? The answer is NO hence, "you shall know them by their fruits" That verse is talking about detecting what is evil and what is not. it is not the one doing the evil that will decide if it is evil or not. this is common sense.

Xavier5:


That's why I asked you, what makes an organism a human life? And does a fetus meet that requirement? Answer the question and stop beating about the bush. It's a simple question.

A human life is a person, and a foetus is not a person.

If I kill a human being in any society on earth, I would be charged for murder, but there is hardly any country that will prosecute me for killing a foetus inside me.

bemeruca:


You don't seem to get what I am saying.
lordreed was saying what if what the nazis did are good to them, and if they broke any laws. I said The whole world see that what they did was bad and they also knew what they did was bad which is why they tried to hide it.

So the question I am asking you is legit. When a person says he sees murder as a good thing, is it a good thing because he said so? or will you look at what he did as good because he said so? The answer is NO hence, "you shall know them by their fruits" That verse is talking about detecting what is evil and what is not. it is not the one doing the evil that will decide if it is evil or not. this is common sense.

For Andromeda's sake where do you get off strawmanning what I wrote in plain English? Where the hell did I say it was good to them?

budaatum:


The below is from what you posted and seen to not understand.



What is in your heart is intrinsic in you!

If evil is intrinsic in you, evil is what you will do and produce as fruit!

I have told you for the 50th time that lying and killing is part of human nature (intrinsic). that does not mean our actions (lying or killing) is morally good. you are deliberately being dumb or what?

that's my point all along and how you confuse our Actions and morality.

bemeruca:
You don't seem to get what I am saying. lordreed was saying .....

I have just responded to your sidekick who is lying that buda has a gospel that buda does not have.

So don't you tell me what someone else is saying! Say what you are saying please!

bemeruca:


SMH

I just hope as it is shaking, it's absorbing some knowledge.

LordReed:


For Andromeda's sake where do you get off strawmanning I wrote in plain English? Where the hell did I say it was good to them?

where did I strawman you? you said that. do you want a direct quote?
you didn't ask if Nazis killing the Jews broke any law? so it must be good if no law was broken. Lying should be morally good because it is not against the law to lie?

If I am wrong, layout what you mean by what you said.

budaatum:


A few weeks ago we were discussing school meals, and some here who pay tax so the government has money to care said, "hell no"!

Their argument was, "If you can't feed your children, don't have any. Society should not be bearing your responsibility for you!"

What you think?

I completely agree with this. This is exactly why I am in support of abortion. Dont give birth to kids for someone else to finance

budaatum:


A human life is a person, and a foetus is not a person.

If I kill a human being in any society on earth, I would be charged for murder, but there is hardly any country that will prosecute me for killing a foetus inside me.

Define person?


#Xavier

bemeruca:


where did I strawman you? you said that. do you want a direct quote?
you didn't ask if Nazis killing the Jews broke any law? so it must be good if no law was broken. Lying should be morally good because it is not against the law to lie?

If I am wrong, layout what you mean by what you said.

Yes directly quote where I said it was good to them.

bemeruca:


I have told you for the 50th time that lying and killing is part of human nature (intrinsic). ...

You can tell me 1000 times for all I care, but lying and killing is not part of human nature! There are many people who don't lie, least not as much as you do, and I very much doubt even you have killed anyone yet, though convince me if you have!

Breathing, shîtting, eating is human nature. Every human on earth does these 3 things, making them intrinsic to humans.

Xavier5:


Define person?

A person is a human being.

budaatum:


I have just responded to your sidekick who is lying that buda has a gospel that buda does not have.

So don't you tell me what someone else is saying! Say what you are saying please!

so there is intrinsic human values?

budaatum:


A human life is a person, and a foetus is not a person.

If I kill a human being in any society on earth, I would be charged for murder, but there is hardly any country that will prosecute me for killing a foetus inside me.

Move to Palestine and try getting an abortion there. Doctor will advice you to go to Israel.

raumdeuter:


I completely agree with this. This is exactly why I am in support of abortion. Dont give birth to kids for someone else to finance

Thanks for showing Xavier5 you exist.

I agree with it too. Unfortunately, I got some irresponsible people who don't agree with me and who's school fees I do pay.

budaatum:


You can tell me 1000 times for all I care, but lying and killing is not part of human nature! There are many people who don't lie, least not as much as you do, and I very much doubt even you have killed anyone yet, though convince me if you have!

Breathing, shîtting, eating is human nature. Every human on earth does these 3 things, making them intrinsic to humans.

because you said so children start to lie at the age of 4. No one taught them to lie. you are crazy

bemeruca:


so there is intrinsic human values?

I disagree!

Name some and lets consider them.

bemeruca:


so there is intrinsic human values?

Rhetorical answer: how can it be intrinsic if it requires the human mind to conceive of it?

budaatum:


I disagree!

Name some and lets consider them.

Honesty
Compassion
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Responsibility
Love
Courage

bemeruca:


because you said so children start to lie at the age of 4. No one taught them to lie. you are crazy

Your children start to lie at 4. And while I'm certain you'd claim you never taught them, they clearly learnt it from you their lying father.

If you were less of a liar and more of a honest person, you'd have taught your 4 year old to be honest and not lie.

LordReed:


Yes directly quote where I said it was good to them.

please tell us what the below mean

LordReed:


UNLAWFUL. Which of the Nazi laws stopped them from killing the Jews?

bemeruca:


Honesty
Compassion
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Responsibility
Love
Courage

How are those intrinsic when many humans do their exact opposite constantly?

Can you say honesty is intrinsic in a liar?

Is compassion intrinsic in a narcissist?

In fact, lets start with intrinsic. Tell me what intrinsic means to you please.

budaatum:


A person is a human being.

What is a human being? 😏


#Xavier

Maeve7, budaatum

It occurred to me that they might actually be referring to our instinctive drive for survival. But I don't consider that an intrinsic human value, it's a biological imperative like hunger pangs. What do you think?

Xavier5:


What is a human being?

A human being is a person.

Xavier5 is a human being who is a person.

A donkey is not a human being and is also not a person.

LordReed:
Maeve7, budaatum

It occurred to me that they might actually be referring to our instinctive drive for survival. But I don't consider that an intrinsic human value, it's a biological imperative like hunger pangs. What do you think?

If that is the case, my Lord, then they should say so.

It is not what Bemeruca thinks though, going by his list of what he claims is intrinsic, as none of the things he listed are biological imperatives like breathing, eating and shîtting.

bemeruca:


Honesty
Compassion
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Responsibility
Love
Courage