bemeruca:
Hezbollah started a war with Israel on the 8th. They have been bombing Israel and attacking them for months. Israel warned Lebanon it would turn to Gaza if they didn't stop, but they refused; now Hezbollah is begging for an unconditional cease-fire as Israel keeps killing their leaders as soon as they appoint them.

Iran is next.

budaatum:
Haven't had toast or bread this year I don't think, but I just might go bake a loaf so I can enjoy toast with a beer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8hqzrrOaQ?si=3_Rym9HLQ_E8qs23

basilico:

I think I saw somewhere that there is a Hezbollah big shot who refused to be the leader.
Iran is a different animal. The easiest way to end a war is eliminating the leaders. Israel should bomb every of six Khamenei palaces.He is the one ordering the wars .

basilico:

Can I add one more like to your impressive collection? Give the go ahead.

bemeruca:


Why should he? They don't last 3 days. Iran tried to deviate Israel's focus on Hezbollah the same way Hezbollah tried to deviate focus from Hamas. Their calculations are wrong. They felt Israel would be reluctant to fight on multiple fronts.

They should bring the whole world into this. Go after Iran's oil and nuclear sites. Destroy everything, and let's see how the nation survives the revolution that will arise.

Israel's allies like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and other Arab states should be ready.

basilico:


It's my opinion that a lot of Iranians resent the Ayatollahs. Iranians are very educated , it has one the highest number of women in universities per Capita. The Ayatollah is just a cleric who is not there via popular mandate, he is a complete dictator.
If they took him out,or threatened his personal safety a good number of Iranians would party like there's no tomorrow.

kkins25:


I'm not considering that context.

Interesting. I can see lawyers exploiting these "sex instincts" to defend rapists. I wouldn't go there.

I'm actually not pro-life. That's because I somewhat hold a nihilistic view of life in general. I also value life based on how it relates to me or my values. For example, If I were to press a lever that would save 5 Atheists, but doing so would lead to the demise of 1 million Muslims, I'd push the "save the Atheist" lever. You see. Pro-abortionists would call me a murderer but, I'm simply spinning their arguments against them. some people value the fetus just like I value Atheists.

I'm not particularly arguing against abortion, I'm just trying to point out that the arguments for abortion, aside from that of rape and minors, aren't a solid one. Or, rather, not convincing.

Rape and minors are just minor reasons for abortion, the vast majority of abortions are by sexually active consenting women who got pregnant either through carelessness or failed family planning.

Can you answer this though, If an unborn child is not your "child" yet, why do all states agree to check for viability before even agreeing to contemplate carrying out an abortion on a 24-week-old fetus? Why not abort an 8-month-old fetus? why not just wait until delivery and then unalive the baby? We can go on and on about the metaphysics.

For example, see this act:




It's just semantics. So, there's no objective inherent value of human life. Maybe tomorrow, some people may want the right to unalive their fresh out of the womb child. who knows? At that time, today's pro-choice will be the pro-life. hahahaha.. Society!!

bemeruca:


Even before they were 30% of the population, they took Iran to a murderous path. The majority of Iranians want the regime gone.

This is the chance the West has to finally set Iran back 30 years, and hopefully, the Persians take back their country.
But you have cowards in the UK and France who are now being slowly strangled by the growing Islamic population in those countries.

budaatum:


Unlike tiny minded nuisance you, I'm not here to collect likes, and nor have any of those who liked a post of mine sought my permission.

People like what they read usually because of the sense it makes, and in appreciation of the care and thought it took to craft it.

You though? Please do not ever like a post of mine. Your liking will debase me!

bemeruca:
She made it clear
Ijebos and cococandy are out here lying through their teeth.

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1843771520478523713?s=19

basilico:


Israel can't go it alone to the end with the Iranians, they need the west. Unfortunately oil has forced the west to be dependent on the middle east , the oic plays a huge role at the UN too.
Western liberal leaders also need the muslim votes @ home they balance their support to Israel and push the can down the road to the next leader.

ObaIgwe1:


lol... And for you that like kpekus and also like sowing your seed on every available fertile land, without abortion, you for pay child support tire

Admit, that is why you are not conservative with abortion

raumdeuter:


You senior me for kpekus love, If all the babes you don nack dey get belle you fit double Naija population.

I care about personal responsibility which is why I am conservative. Personal responsibility is also that you realize you cannot take care of an extra mouth and abort it.

I also realize some people see it as murder. So I can understand a compromise where there should be a term limit where the doctors see the child as viable

basilico:


I hear you loud and clear.

bemeruca:


Iran is not as capable. Israel can easily cripple them. Their navy and other military assets with key infrastructure can be taken out. The Mossad knows where everything are... It's just the time to strike they are waiting for. See how they were patient with hezbollah and still entrenched in the terrorists organization. Once they get the go ahead, key stuff will start to explode

wirinet:


MOSSAD knows everything and entrenched in Hezbollah and other terrorist organisations, October 7 happened with MOSSAD not having a clue. Can you explain the irony?

ObaIgwe1:


lol... And for you that like kpekus and also like sowing your seed on every available fertile land, without abortion, you for pay child support tire

Admit, that is why you are not conservative with abortion

Xavier5:


Regarding the issue of intrinsic human value, I will address that next week when chanced. And unlike what IjeBos said, it's not a religious belief but a philosophical one. I uphold the belief, religion or no religion, and I will be addressing it from a philosophical lens, and not a religious lens.
#Xavier

basilico:


Ijebos and Co. They will never see anything wrong with Kamala. Not because she is a woman of color, but because they hate Trump. They make every excuse for her failings

Xavier5:
It's been days of discussion on the issue of abortion, and I must say it's amazing. Regarding this, I feel the need to give a summary of all I've been saying regarding the issue of abortion.

IjeBos:

So it is the latter? As I thought.
You are obviously aware you are not a liberal but it serves your purposes to pretend you are to engage other liberals on abortion and other matters.
It would be a good technique if it weren't so obvious.
Question, where did you learn this? Was it self taught or was it in some church you belong?
And don't you think it's deceptive?

basilico:


I can boast 8000 likes out of 12.5K posts.
Hmmm. I'm unwanted here.
By people who support abortions .

IjeBos:


Cut the Bullshit. Your argument was predicated on religion from the jump. It's an easy argument to recognize.
Is disingenuous not to be honest on the basis of your argument. You're being too clever by half.
It wasn't a surprise that one of your first "philosophical" arguments mentioned religion that Budaatum called out.
I think it's shady and manipulative the way you went about this whole thing.

Obrigardo:


Had to read this part thanks to budas response and I just shook my head.

Let's be objective. What gives you the right to say Abortion isn't the norm? I'm not attacking you, just asking a plain question. I'll guess your obvious answer would be your Religion.

More religions than you can think have nothing against abortion. Judaism is one. So if you want to be fair, why must you use your Religion to make laws for everyone and for a majority that don't ascribe to your Religion? Let's be honest here bro.

Religion clouds our minds and moves our focus away from our complex reality. Most women don't just decide to have an abortion like they are drinking water. There are lots of complexities involved. I believe those who say they are anti-abortion are afraid to grapple with the harsh reality of life.

budaatum: Just so we all know barbarism still exists.
She threw her one-day-old infant into the gutter
https://www.nairaland.com/8234942/housewife-dump-day-old-baby-gutter#132352199

wirinet:


Lawyers can't exploit "sex instincts" to defend rape same way lawyers can't exploit "hunger instincts" to defend stealing food. Although some societies insist women must cover up from head to toe to avoid rape because they are of the belief that men cannot control their sex instincts.

I never really understood the rational of valuing a fetus more than the woman that is to suffer the pains and consequences of birthing, and then caring and raising the child. Anti abortionists have no stake whatsoever in the child outside primordial religious/moral sentiments. They are just like Muslims preventing others from eating just because they are fasting.

States have no business checking the viability of a fetus much less contemplate carrying out an abortion at any time in the pregnancy. That decision is to be left for the intending parents. women.

have a cousin that had tried for decades to have conceive a child for her husband that had been married for 17 years. When she got pregnant at about 45 years of age, the doctor after scanning informed my cousin that the baby would suffer some sort of deformity and recommended abortion. She vehemently refused and insisted on birthing the child. The baby, a girl was born with slight deformity and autism. She and her husband provided the best medical care for the girl. Today the girl just celebrated her 30 year birthday.
States or governments deciding for a woman or a couple to abort their baby or not is an over reach, to me it's tyranny.

According to the legal definition of a person, the fetus become a person the moment it leaves the womb. Any unaliving then is regarded as murder.

What converted me to a strong pro choice advocate was when I saw a newborn floating on the lagos lagoon beside behind NPA on V/I. The baby was obviously birthed that morning and just thrown into the lagos lagoon. Thar memory traumatised me till date. I would rather the fetus be aborted early in the pregnancy than murder a fully born baby in the most gruesome manner. There are lots of examples of mothers dumping new born I'm dustbins and even soakaway. I believe the baby and mother need not go through these trauma.