‎1. Jesus died for the sins of mankind.
What does the word death here mean and who is the Jesus being referred to in this statement? The latter predicates the other. For if it is the human Jesus which literally died, then this was not the Son dying. If it is that the Son died, then the Son was not a God.

2. When you say death, what do you mean? Do you mean the death of the flesh or the spirit? If it is the death of the flesh, then the Son did not die, but a creation of God died and thus this was not an ultimate form of sacrifice. If it is the Spirit that died, then is it the spirit of the Son or the Spirit of the Man? If it is the Spirit of the Son, then God died and God cannot die, hence it is a paradox. If it is the Spirit of the man that died, then a creation of God died and thus this was not an ultimate form of sacrifice.

3. If we take John 3:16 as a literal study, then we have numerous paradoxes being applied, for if the Son did ‘die’, but did not truly ‘die’, then the ‘sacrificial death’ was not fulfilled. If you claim the sacrificial death was fulfilled, then this is disproven by Thomas touching a physical body of Christ, whose wounds he felt. Thus if Christ was meant to be an ultimate sacrifice but did not die, but merely suffered wounds and continued to live, then there was no actual sacrifice.

4. Jesus did not for once tell anyone to believe in his death for the sins of mankind to be saved!

Too many problems.

Allah Chineke mere anyi ike!

AntiChristian:


As copied!

Lucifyre:
Well it is expected when the death of an apocalyptic prophet, killed like a common criminal for political reasons is reinterpreted by his cultic following to comfort their delusions. This reinterpreted narrative is then told anonymously not by witnesses mind you, several decades after said event. And the 4 anonymous sources of this new narrative heavily contradict each other, with the original manuscripts missing and what you have are thousands of copies of copies of copies of the original where no 2 copies are the same and you expect it to make sense. Not surprising for someone who adores a similar joke of a text called the quaran.

MightySparrow:

There is no problem there, except that your problematic mind concorts problems for you.

Dtruthspeaker:
No matter how many times it has been explained your scrambled mind is incapable of getting it

AntiChristian:


But you ended up not saying much about the Qur'an! Is it that you know next to nothing about it?

Lucifyre:


You don't say! Forgive me for not going into detail on the book of the dense quaran, on a topic primarily cited in the book of fables bible. Should have gone on a full tangent right?!🙄

AntiChristian:


Take them one by one and answer make we see your brain capacity!

MightySparrow:


For which child is Ramadan ram is sacrificed according to the Quran.

Give references.

AntiChristian:


Christmas chicken is sacrificed to which Roman god?

Ramadan has no ram!

MightySparrow:


Shay you see, Christ?


What about Ramadan ram for Jacob or Ishmael?

Waraqa didn't tell Mohammad?

AntiChristian:


Show us Christmas date and chicken in the Bible?

Eid fitr is to celebrate the end of our fast! After you finish your fast go and meet Satan to tempt you like Jesus!

Waraqah died before the main revelations was revealed!

MightySparrow:



Provide a Hadith for your claim

AntiChristian:


Take them one by one and answer make we see your brain capacity!

AntiChristian:


Dliespeaker you still dey? You have nothing sane to explain, I Sabi you!

Dtruthspeaker:


Mad Muslim, if you were sane and normal you would have known that no reasonable person can explain anything to a mad person not to talk of explaining to a mad muslim like you. especially as this has been explained in several threads but of course a mad muslim is not capable of getting it at all.

AntiChristian:


I asked you the question first! But you throw way eyes like the olodo you be!

AntiChristian:


I talk am say you no well! I don prophesy already!

Dtruthspeaker:


I don talk am before say your Madness is,permanent!

MightySparrow:


You dodged a question to ask your own.
Can you pleaae go back and give answers.

AntiChristian:


If your madness is permanent then you can curse yourself with your mouth!

Dtruthspeaker:


Says the Mad Muslim who is permanently mad and definitely not curable.

AntiChristian:


It seems you were born with the word "mad" course it comes freely from your mouth!

I think that's your own form of speaking in tongues!

Dtruthspeaker:


Who here has not called you mad muslim till the point that they no longer respond to you? Abeg keep your madness for your house and mosque make reasonable people see where dem bin dey go.

AntiChristian:

It's not every Christian that the Spirit inspires the word mad into their mouth!

AntiChristian:


You only spoke about what you know! If you want to be on point will you mention the Qur'an at all?

Hypocrite!

Lucifyre:


What's with all the ironies today. If not for the fact you have little to no brain matter left between you ears from all the head slamming, you'd have known a hypocrite is exactly what i called ur dumb ass, while also addressing the topic at hand. What's a delusional man who points at another delusional man for having a different kind of delusion? Easy with your head eh, very little left.

AntiChristian:


1. Jesus died for the sins of mankind.
What does the word death here mean and who is the Jesus being referred to in this statement? The latter predicates the other. For if it is the human Jesus which literally died, then this was not the Son dying. If it is that the Son died, then the Son was not a God.

2. When you say death, what do you mean? Do you mean the death of the flesh or the spirit? If it is the death of the flesh, then the Son did not die, but a creation of God died and thus this was not an ultimate form of sacrifice. If it is the Spirit that died, then is it the spirit of the Son or the Spirit of the Man? If it is the Spirit of the Son, then God died and God cannot die, hence it is a paradox. If it is the Spirit of the man that died, then a creation of God died and thus this was not an ultimate form of sacrifice.

3. If we take John 3:16 as a literal study, then we have numerous paradoxes being applied, for if the Son did ‘die’, but did not truly ‘die’, then the ‘sacrificial death’ was not fulfilled. If you claim the sacrificial death was fulfilled, then this is disproven by Thomas touching a physical body of Christ, whose wounds he felt. Thus if Christ was meant to be an ultimate sacrifice but did not die, but merely suffered wounds and continued to live, then there was no actual sacrifice.

4. Jesus did not for once tell anyone to believe in his death for the sins of mankind to be saved!

John 3:14-18: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Kukutenla:
The dumb Op is so lazy he went and copied an article from the internet that he neither understands nor attempt to. So if answers are given to him, how will he understand when he never understood the question. Well, for the sake of posterity and so he does not think he has found something that will give him oxygen, I will suffocate him with facts that he cannot deny.

Jesus who is being referred to here is Jesus Christ the Son of God. If you don't now what death means, consult your dictionary. Your quran tells us that Isa who was the person of Jesus stolen from the Bible by your prophet was formed in his mother's belly by the breath of God(Allah). See quran 66:12. It follows that if Jesus even from the Quran is not from the seed of Adam made of clay, then he is most certainly of a different seed. Therefore, Jesus is no ordinary human. He was not formed from Adam like every other human who was made from clay and thus. It is virtually impossible for him to return to clay which is what happens when humans die. But Jesus had the body of humans. Even your quran establishes it. So if he had the body of a human, it is known that the human body can die. That is the mystery your quran cannot explain. A human formed without the seed of Adam but the breath of God! Thus the human body the breath of God inhabits can surely die as death is one of the characteristics chosen for the human body by God. But the breath of God does not die or does it in your quran? Thus, the human body inhabited by Jesus can indeed die. But it is impossible for the breath of God that formed Jesus to die. The other question is if Jesus was formed by the breath of God, can he really not be said to be a part of God? One cannot blame Muhammad though. He was more in contact with Syriatic Christians who believed less in the divinity of Christ which is why he was confused as to the status of Jesus in relation with God.


The death of the flesh is the only possible death in this earth. Even the Quran recognises the death of the flesh in Quran 3:185. The death of the spirit is in the afterlife and not here on earth. As written in Matthew 10:28, there is death of the body and also death of the soul in Hell. Thus since Jesus died only while on earth, he couldn't have experienced the death of the spirit. It is also a stupid question to ask from an Islamist that does not believe that spirits die. The flesh of Jesus died and was buried before it resurrected back to life. It is also interesting that Islamists who claim that Allah has no limit are here telling us that God cannot die. Does it not place a limit on Islamic God if there is something he cannot do? If God in Islam cannot die, it means Allah is limited by the experience of death and is thus not All-knowing as claimed by the Quran. For to be all knowing, you must know all things including good and bad, right and wrong. Thus, quran 49:1 should be changed to" Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing except in matters of death!"

Where is it written in John 3:16 that the Son did not truly die? Jesus is not the first to die and resurrect in the Bible. Elijah whom is called Ilyas in the Quran raised a dead boy back to life. So with Elisha and Jesus himself who even in the Quran brought the dead back to life in quran 3:49. Thus since it is very possible for Jesus to bring the dead back to life in the Quran, is the Islamist saying the one who was brought back to life did not truly die? If so, then it means the quran is a book of lies. If however it is agreed that the dead can be brought back to life, what is unbelievable in Jesus being raised back to life? Jesus did die and was raised back to life by God himself.

The Islamist tells a lie here.
From this passage, it is obvious that Jesus is saying everyone must believe in His lifting up on the cross as the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness in Numbers 21:8-10 to save Israelites from death. It is believing in Jesus death on the cross that can save man from sin. Ig you like hit your head on the floor till your skull cracks. You will only run mad. If you like keep going to Mecca to kiss a stone. You are only wasting your time. If you like pray in Arabic more than the Arabs, you are only learning new language. If you like keep chanting only one God like a zombie. The only way to be saved from sin is to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. Muhammad did not believe. Who knows where he is now? Don't let Muhammad lead you to hell.

sonmvayina:


Much ado about nothing..

You where just pissing everywhere, piss for one place make them see the foam.

You did not answer any of the queries he raised and in some parts resorted to cognitive dissonance. If you don't know there is no law against admitting it...

Thank you..