flyinnizam:
why don't u sue elon musk as u kw much about F1 visa

Ejiota. Elon should be suing NYT, WSJ, Forbes et all published thre story.. No na Okitipupa beer parlour commenter likd you wey no sabi the political leaning of WSJ vs NYT… Someone who doesnt know the difference F1/F2 visa dey talk.

BigIyanga:

Ejiota. Elon should be suing NYT, WSJ, Forbes et all published thre story.. No na Okitipupa beer parlour commenter likd you wey no sabi the political leaning of WSJ vs NYT… Someone who doesnt know the difference F1/F2 visa dey talk.

shut up...u dat know about F1 and F2 visa...sue elon musk or runnn lost

Odidigboigbo:
I didn't dispute his African root that is why I used the phrase "he was a Canadian as well". The truth is that he entered US as a Citizen of Canada, his mother's place not as a South African.

Yes, he is a Canadian via his mother..

Regardless, he overstayed his visa and was working without authorization .. both actions are illegal

Owologbo:


I'm sure you didn't read the body.
He didn't enter USA illegally. He entered with student visa according to Joe.

A criminal is a criminal
He was an illegal worker

Originalsly:


Almost open border! ..... sooo many were allowed in and swarmed the country. To date ... they have largely not been absorbed by society.... they are all over... being out up in hotels and wherever... forming gangs etc.. can't miss them.

Not almost, the border was not open.

The issue then was, there were many of them arriving at one time, "caravan".

Immigration couldn't process them fast enough because there weren't enough officers and Immigration judges.

When democrats and Republicans negotiated a border bill that would have added more officers and hired more judges.. Trump had GOP senate and congress men to kill the bill because he thought it will benefit Joe Biden in his reelection

RodgersAkpafu:


You are cooning again

That answers your question

There is no biological component to development.
Everything is cultural and mindset
Europe went through the dark ages and at that time, the middle east was ahead of them, contributing to mathematics so much so that the world use Arabic numerals till date, instead of Latin
we stuck to Latin alphabets though

Now will you say that the Europeans were intellectually and genetically inferior to the middle East in the 1200s - 1400s and shortly after ?

Its the uninformed that whiteys can be doing "buga" for
I made it my life hobby to press their necks with history and knowledge to knock them off their high horse of supremacy

I can't help but deal with reality. There's good evidence that intelligence can be improved over time. For example, the people of South Africa have now put the racist DA into government with the ANC. They're learning, so yes you have a point when you cite examples of evolving cultures.

The same White Supremacists you deplore could have simply decided to WIPE OUT all Negroes in Africa or at least severely depopulate the Continent. They can still do it today. Their benevolence has given you the chance to joyously "press their necks with history" when that history shows that the Anglo-Saxons are the ONLY TRIBE that fought a war within itself to give political rights to another race. That's the USA Civil War, the Republican Party was explicitly formed to abolish Slavery. In fact, the British Government was the FIRST in the world to enact laws against slavery and lost a lot of Royal Navy sailors while fighting the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Do you know any other race that has done that? I'm open to new info, so tell me if you do. So while you're pressing their necks, if they respond in kind and a race war breaks out, what do you think will be the outcome?

Well, we're the lucky ones. We have different outlooks, that's all. All in all, I think the US & UK and Europe are going to find out their later day, post World War benevolence has been a big, big mistake. I've benefited from it so, I will contribute every way I can to reasonably encourage it.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

CoronaVirusPro:


The President himself is a migrant.

Trump is a German and Irish!

Only natives can claim to be Americans. EVERY other person is a migrant.

If you find any sincere Caucasian claiming to be American, they will tell you their roots.

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I guess the "illegal" part flew over your head.

Embassies and Customs & Immigration exist for a reason.


/

Badgers14:


US doesn't even have open border. I don't know where that narrative is coming from..

It’s when they suddenly see much people that don’t look like them they start shouting open border whether they are students, workers or asylum seekers. All gimmicks to win elections

IbeOkehie:


I can't help but deal with reality. There's good evidence that intelligence can be improved over time. For example, the people of South Africa have now put the racist DA into government with the ANC. They're learning, so yes you have a point when you cite examples of evolving cultures.

The same White Supremacists you deplore could have simply decided to WIPE OUT all Negroes in Africa or at least severely depopulate the Continent. They can still do it today. Their benevolence has given you the chance to joyously "press their necks with history" when that history shows that the Anglo-Saxons are the ONLY one that fought a war within itself to give political rights to another race. That's the USA Civil War, the Republican Party was explicitly formed to abolish Slavery. In fact, the British Government was the FIRST in the world to enact laws against slavery and lost a lot of Royal Navy sailors while fighting the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Do you know any other race that has done that? I'm open to new info, so tell me if you do. So while you're pressing their necks, if they respond in kind and a race war breaks out, what do you think will be the outcome?

Well, we're the lucky ones. We have different outlooks, that's all. All in all, I think the US & UK and Europe are going to find out their later day, post World War benevolence has been a big, big mistake. I've benefited from it so, I will contribute every way I can to reasonably encourage it.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Abolishment of slavery by the British was primarily in their own interest, as slavery has outlived its usefulness, and the Spaniards were getting the better end of the stick
So while the liberation of black people was the by product, the primary reason was to protect their own interests at the time, and it was politically expedient at the time to rid the world of slavery, it also helped their image as well....

So it's not benevolence, it's self interest
Over the last 500 years, everything h they have done is for their interest FIRST, benevolence is a maybe

Even in this country (The United Kingdom), they passed the Race Relations Act in the late 60s/70s not because they liked the Windrush generation, but they NEEDED THEM to remain and not leave

Prior to that, the ppl were so hostile to them and they (the Windrush people) were threatening to leave so the govt had to do something
Against the will of the British people as well, that's why Enoch Powell wrote Rivers of blood, Nd that's why the Labour govt who enacted such laws were ousted in the next election

If you have studied the history in detail like I have, you won't see Anglo Saxons d way yiu see them, Trust me

Now of course I don't hate them, I think they are alright, but they re not the benevolent people that they paint themselves to be
Tolerant, yes to a degree
Malleable, yes

But most importantly, being adaptable over the centuries to keep evolving as the tines come and go, keeping their lead on the world stage

This skill is what the Arabs and Ottomans didn't have and they paid, and are still paying dearly for it

Their appearance of the Post WW11 benevolence like u have said is their superpower, its not a mistake and has enriched them much more than slavery or colonialism could ever do....

Access to markets, soft power, and a world looking up to you ?
This is what the Russians emvy and cannot replicate
Putin is trying to make in roads
but its too late
the westerners are centuries ahead
and BTW
their non benevolence approach of WW1 (like u reconnend ) is what led to WW 11

They can't make the same mistake two times

Nigeria unfortunately we make the same mistake again and again

From Buhari to Bulaba lol

and BTW
Race War in the UK?
They will be soundly routed

These Pakistanis wey no dey hear word wey full everywhere
You need to see what happened in the last riots here
It was this close to becoming OPEN SEASON on the streets of the major cities of the UK

UK has had riots in the past, and it did not end well for any party
but today is even more hard
because of the "tap roots" minorities , esp south Asians are having here

IjeBos:


Trump was honest about it. basically said he wants more immigrants from white countries and not from shithole countries like Nigeria.
But these Nigerians here still bow down to him.

The summary is this, that race fears they will become minority in the US one day if those who don’t look like them continue to pour into their country legal or illegal especially as their own birth rates continue to decline. All the talk about abortion and lgbt all points to that as those things are more common among them compared to other races. But they forget that they too migrated there to dominate a certain race that was there before them. Forget all the political correctness this is the main issue.

Goke7:


The summary is this, that race fears they will become minority in the US one day if those who don’t look like them continue to pour into their country legal or illegal especially as their own birth rates continue to decline. All the talk about abortion and lgbt all points to that as those things are more common among them compared to other races. But they forget that they too migrated there to dominate a certain race that was there before them. Forget all the political correctness this is the main issue.

That's fear of retribution that those who think like that are having
they fear being treated the same way they have been treating minorities for centuries

Instead of them to assimilate other groups into the broader American culture, you treated them like vermin and isolated them
now the chicken has come home to roost and you are panicking

flyinnizam:
shut up...u dat know about F1 and F2 visa...sue elon musk or runnn lost

This convo is above your motor park brain league.. go play under bridge with ur peers
Someone whose grandparents came to Africa as colonizing illegal immigrants… shouldnt be telling us immigration

RodgersAkpafu:


Abolishment of slavery by the British was primarily in their own interest, as slavery has outlived its usefulness, and the Spaniards were getting the better end of the stick

and BTW
Race War in the UK?
They will be soundly routed

These Pakistanis wey no dey hear word wey full everywhere
You need to see what happened in the last riots here
It was this close to becoming OPEN SEASON on the streets of the major cities of the UK

UK has had riots in the past, and it did not end well for any party
but today is even more hard
because of the "tap roots" minorities , esp south Asians are having here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrzm3-2H-n4?si=vSFxTzyoF3uOfAT_

OK o, this your comment makes me think I have the correct insight. I've read the same history as you, we just have a different attitude to it all. Benevolence can be dangerous, whether personal or group. It's interesting how defeated peoples, once given an reprieve, rise up to attempt and suppress their benefactors. I've seen this in families, business and in politics. It's really fascinating. It's clear the Anglos are going to regret their generosity.

Talking of history. Immediately after the 2nd World War, the Soviet Union and USA started their competition. All the USA had to do was drop a couple of nuclear bombs on Russia and keep bombing them until they wiped them out. Instead they held their sword. What a mistake. I first read that first in one of Chinua Achebe's novels, that the USA is the only country that had the practical means to conquer the world and refrained from doing so.

I'm not a very smart guy so I know there's people out there thinking about the incongruity of Arabs, Negroes and other 3rd World migrants THREATENING to fight White Europeans on their native continent and of course in the USA. It just has to be mental torture having to tolerate a people that you can wipe out in less than a decade of a good race war. Which I think is what the left-wingers want. War.

Look at Denmark, they've basically eradicated immigration to their country and their headaches are ending. Read the news there. Seriously, especially in the UK and Europe, it's time for Whites to take up arms and defend their homeland before they become slaves to their immigrants. It has to be done. It's gonna cause a lot of destruction but it has to be done before "pressing their necks" breaks their spines.

Benevolence is a dangerous act. That's the lesson. Dominican Republic knows what's up

https://apnews.com/article/dominican-republic-haiti-migrants-deported-crackdown-fb0b796b645e6c418094fe3f28298ea5

Good Luck to Nigeria.

IbeOkehie:


OK o, this your comment makes me think I have the correct insight. I've read the same history as you, we just have a different attitude to it all. Benevolence can be dangerous, whether personal or group. It's interesting how defeated peoples, once given an reprieve, rise up to attempt and suppress their benefactors. I've seen this in families, business and in politics. It's really fascinating. It's clear the Anglos are going to regret their generosity.

Talking of history. Immediately after the 2nd World War, the Soviet Union and USA started their competition. All the USA had to do was drop a couple of nuclear bombs on Russia and keep bombing them until they wiped them out. Instead they held their sword. What a mistake. I first read that first in one of Chinua Achebe's novels, that the USA is the only country that had the practical means to conquer the world and refrained from doing so.

I'm not a very smart guy so I know there's people out there thinking about the incongruity of Arabs, Negroes and other 3rd World migrants THREATENING to fight White Europeans on their native continent and of course in the USA. It just has to be mental torture having to tolerate a people that you can wipe out in less than a decade of a good race war. Which I think is what the left-wingers want. War.

Look at Denmark, they've basically eradicated immigration to their country and their headaches are ending. Read the news there. Seriously, especially in the UK and Europe, it's time for Whites to take up arms and defend their homeland before they become slaves to their immigrants. It has to be done. It's gonna cause a lot of destruction but it has to be done before "pressing their necks" breaks their spines.

Benevolence is a dangerous act. That's the lesson.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

you understood my post wrong

Minorities here are up in arms against white folks HERE BECAUSE of how they have been treated

Europe has not been nice to migrants and that's the truth.
America is good in this regard, and that's why they have less of these issues compared to their European counterparts

I was in France sometime ago, and I was communicating with a friend I made there, you need to hear what they are really going through there to warrant them being antagonistic to the French state

When you treat people as lesser humans, there will be a blow back and a nasty reaction

Newton third law of motion : Action and reaction are equal

Every riot in the UK was started by right wing lunatics who want to put migrants in their place
So when they defend themselves, u IbeOkehie see it as an issue ?

Are you okay with second class citizen status? because of what you see as a "privilege" of living in the west and amongst them?

All I am saying is simple
Treat us with respect
Heck
you don't even have to like us per se
and life will be sweet

Trying to force a false sense of superiority will always be met with fierce resistance

And BTW, the Soviets had nuclear bombs when the cold War started.. If the USA had tired the Soviets
what do you think would have happened to Alaska ?
They would have bombed it to hell
At some point, they were pointing their nuclear weapons at each other , but they never fired it
America. made the right choice

RodgersAkpafu:


you understood my post wrong
Trying to force a false sense of superiority will always be met with fierce resistance

I understand you well. I would suggest any race claiming equality should at least develop their own homeland to PROVE what they can do.

This may be how it will go. In fact, it's happening already. Hope the migrants are fiercely resisting the Danish government? They need to take up arms and demand respect and equality. The AfD is rising in Germany. I think the Reform Party will be in control of the UK within 10 to 12 years. Everyone get armed, the war is at hand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrzm3-2H-n4?si=vSFxTzyoF3uOfAT_

Good Luck to Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:


This may be how it will go. In fact, it's happening already. Hope the migrants will are fiercely resisting the Danish government? They need to take up arms and demand respect and equality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrzm3-2H-n4?si=vSFxTzyoF3uOfAT_

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Netherlands last week also came up with measures to curb the influx of asylum seekers abusing the system
that one is common sense and is not bad at all....

What you are recommending will be the end of western civilisation and jnfluence
because they will have to fight the minorities at home
while fighting the government's of the third world because there will be a blowback for sure

European diplomats know this
and they are working overtime to avert such a disaster in waiting

Especially as you have Russian and Chinese adversaries to put at bay lol

It's so funny how you, a black man, is more concerned about Anglo Saxons than even your own people

and I'll say you are cooning and you go say no lol

Ibe keeps talking about benevolence
Benevolence my black arse
If they are so benevolent, they should share some basic intellectual property and do some technology transfer to us nau lol

IbeOkehie:


I understand you well. I would suggest any race claiming equality should at least develop their own homeland to PROVE what they can do.

This may be how it will go. In fact, it's happening already. Hope the migrants will are fiercely resisting the Danish government? They need to take up arms and demand respect and equality. The AfD is rising in Germany. I think the Reform Party will be in control of the UK within 10 to 12 years. Everyone get armed, the war is at hand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrzm3-2H-n4?si=vSFxTzyoF3uOfAT_

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Reform UK can NEVER lead this country
Mark it down
The country is now too liberal to vote such people
it's even more difficult because for reform to win, they need to win majority of the seats across the country
Scotland will play spoiler here
and the red and blue walls will hold

Treat people as equals and stop dehumanising them
That's much easier than forcing urself as a superior

So according to you, because their countries of origin are not developed, they don't deserve the right to be treated like humans?
That's what you are saying ?

It's like saying because some relatives of yours are not as rich as you are, they should be treated "less than" and those relatives should accept such treatment
na wa oo
Gerrard59
cococandy

RodgersAkpafu:


If they are so benevolent, they should share some basic intellectual property and do some technology transfer to us nau lol

They've shared plenty. Basically every modern amenity in use in Nigeria, home of 25% of Negroes, was discovered, invented or designed in the European West. If Negroes are so smart, why can't we develop our own IP? The Chinese and Indians are copying such technology, the Negro can't even steal or copy to produce anything. And still asking for RESPECT

All the drugs used to treat malaria, who has invented them? Definitely not any Negro. I write this without even checking.

It's interesting that you and Gerrard, two guys I think are very smart, have arrived at the same conclusion that Chinese and Russians will help Black Africans and the rest of the 3rd World fight and dispossess the West? You seem to think the Chinese are more benevolent than the White West. I think you're mistaken.

When the conflict breaks out, don't be surprised it might end up as China, Arabs, Russia and the West fighting OVER how to divide up and colonize the Dark Continent. Basically another Scramble for Africa. You might want to take a look at how China treats its minorities today.

Well, I've learned a lot from the Igbo experience in Nigeria. It's kind of a fractal of what the world is heading to.

RodgersAkpafu:


And BTW, the Soviets had nuclear bombs when the cold War started.. If the USA had tired the Soviets
what do you think would have happened to Alaska ?
They would have bombed it to hell
At some point, they were pointing their nuclear weapons at each other , but they never fired it
America. made the right choice

COMPLETELY WRONG, please check when the Soviet Union got their first nuclear weapon. Their rivalry was already in place. This is easy history. Na wa o.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:


They've shared plenty. Basically every modern amenity in use in Nigeria, home of 25% of Negroes, was discovered, invented or designed in the European West. If Negroes are so smart, why can't we develop our own IP?

All the drugs used to treat malaria, who has invented them? Definitely not any Negro. I write this without even checking.

It's interesting that you and Gerrard, two guys I think are very smart, have arrived at the same conclusion that Chinese and Russians will help Black Africans and the rest of the 3rd World fight and dispossess the West? You seem to think the Chinese are more benevolent than the White West. I think you're mistaken.

When the conflict breaks out, don't be surprised it might end up as China, Arabs, Russia and the West fighting OVER how to divide up and colonize the Dark Continent. Basically another Scramble for Africa. You might want to take a look at how China treats its minorities today.

Well, I've learned a lot from the Igbo experience in Nigeria. It's kind of a fractal of what the world is heading to.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

I differ with Gerrard59 on the whole China thing
As much as I have some issues, with our relationship with the west, its still better than what it will be if we relate with the Chinese

at least westerners forgave debt, the Chinese will never ever forgive debt, they must collect

My ideal world is a world where the west treat Africans like humans and not lesser than, and the Africans ALSO step up and be more advanced than they currently are, which means banning all negative cultural proclivities from our culture as a people

China has observed the disdainful way the Euroeqns have been treating and talking to the Africans (esp their leaders) and are now playing on that to try to get them on the Chinese side

That's why the Chinese appear to (actually pretend to) treat African leaders as equal partner, talking to them not over them and stroking their egos, a feeling they are mot used to as african leaders

That thing is a trap because once the westerners are off the board and the Chinese are fully in charge
That's when we will see wahala pro max
because it will be exploration just like the west but worse because the Chinese can be funny

so on that one I agree with u
we just need to manage western African relations better

BTW , as at 1949, the Soviets already had nukes, and the cold War had not really taken shape as of yet like that

The euphoria of the WW11 win was still "shakking " the both parties , being the winners of WW11
So I think I'll stand by what I said

flyinnizam:
old biden should keep quiet. if Elon Musk was an illegal migrant, he won't be talking about illegal migrants all the time

You sound dumb, why will POTUS makes such weighty statement without facts. Elon is an illegal immigrant from canada, so gets the facts right before exhibiting your ignorance.

RodgersAkpafu:

My ideal world is a world where the west treat Africans like humans and not lesser than, and the Africans ALSO step up and be more advanced than they currently are, which means banning all negative cultural proclivities from our culture as a people

So here we are again.

What makes you think the Black African has the ABILITY to become more advanced? The history of Nigeria gives no confidence it's possible.

What makes you think Black Africans can erase negative proclivities from our culture? The Igbo still observe Osu strictures till today. Yet the same Igbo reach USA and start protesting against racism.

Black Africans sold their own people into slavery....to BOTH Arabs and Europeans, and now the migrant children of the slave sellers are in the USA competing against the descendants of slaves for the little benefits procured for the former slaves by the White Racists. This never ceases to blow my mind, it's just crazy that this can happen. It's insane.

The problem of Black African development, both in Africa and the Diaspora, has more to do with Black Africans themselves and less to do with White Supremacy.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

RodgersAkpafu:


All you have done is rationalise white supremacy. And to answer your question, even Asians are not spared...
Heck, even Jews, the most successful immigrant group in US is not spared, anti semitic thinking is on the sharp rise in the right wing American space. All it took was for Trump to tag the virus China Virus and covertly blame them, and people who looked Chinese (whether they were or not). were targeted on the street and beaten up like crooks

The difference is that the Chinese can always return to China and maintain the same living standards as they had in the US. As I write, a growing number of Chinese parents are opting to send their children to study in Malaysia, Singapore, Korea and Japan where there are semblances of Chinese culture and language systems. Chinese from the US can move to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, Korea and even Thailand and maintain their living standards. That is how it is for Chinese-Americans. However, black Africans cannot because no country is as functioning as the US which is dominated by black people. Chinese have it, but black people do not.

That was the reality check a lot of Asians needed to get in the USA, and they are now aware. i communicate with a few, and they tell me that that was what flipped the switch for them. I'm even ambivalent when it comes to immigration
My own is treat people as people. human. beings as human beings not calling or treating them like animals. Why do u wanna target naturalised minorities but spare the European ones, when Statistics show clearly that the Europeans are the ones who abuse the immigration laws the most (with ESTA et al)

You will be more lenient towards your blood sibling than a cousin. That is how humans operate. Humans are tribal. The 2023 elections in Nigeria exemplified it. Why you try to believe in lovey-dovey surprises me. Also, in the language of migration, countries prefer citizens of wealthier countries. It is the same reason you would allow access to Dangote instead of me - a random person - because Dangote has been screened on the basis of his wealth.

And from your post, I see what you r doing,
you are trying to allude that Black people cannot build functional societies, which is not true, and is peak cooning. Tulsa and Botswana are two of many examples of what Black people are capable of doing IF LEFT ALONE TO SORT THEIR ISSUES. even Trinidad is doin decently today. [/quote]
No black dominated country with a population of above 5 million is functional. Barbados and Bahamas don't count as they are posh Bonny Islands to me. Also, they are the equivalents of Andorra and Macau to the white and Chinese man. We don't have the equivalent of Germany and South Korea. Until then, we have not created a functional black dominated society, and that is the basis of racial discrimination towards black people across the world.

P.S. Trinidad is half Indian, half black. The same applies to Guyana as well.

Goke7:


The summary is this, that race fears they will become minority in the US one day if those who don’t look like them continue to pour into their country legal or illegal especially as their own birth rates continue to decline. All the talk about abortion and lgbt all points to that as those things are more common among them compared to other races. But they forget that they too migrated there to dominate a certain race that was there before them. Forget all the political correctness this is the main issue.

I don't think people are aware that the only real natives in the US were relegated to reservations by the European colonists.
Outside the Indians, there are no natives of the US , everyone is an immigrant and or descendant of an immigrant.

Gerrard59:

The difference is that the Chinese can always return to China and maintain the same living standards as they had in the US. As I write, a growing number of Chinese parents are opting to send their children to study in Malaysia, Singapore, Korea and Japan where there are semblances of Chinese culture and language systems. Chinese from the US can move to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, Korea and even Thailand and maintain their living standards. That is how it is for Chinese-Americans. However, black Africans cannot because no country is as functioning as the US which is dominated by black people. Chinese have it, but black people do not.


You will be more lenient towards your blood sibling than a cousin. That is how humans operate. Humans are tribal. The 2023 elections in Nigeria exemplified it. Why you try to believe in lovey-dovey surprises me. Also, in the language of migration, countries prefer citizens of wealthier countries. It is the same reason you would allow access to Dangote instead of me - a random person - because Dangote has been screened on the basis of his wealth.

And from your post, I see what you r doing,
you are trying to allude that Black people cannot build functional societies, which is not true, and is peak cooning. Tulsa and Botswana are two of many examples of what Black people are capable of doing IF LEFT ALONE TO SORT THEIR ISSUES. even Trinidad is doin decently today.
No black dominated country with a population of above 5 million is functional. Barbados and Bahamas don't count as they are posh Bonny Islands to me. Also, they are the equivalents of Andorra and Macau to the white and Chinese man. We don't have the equivalent of Germany and South Korea. Until then, we have not created a functional black dominated society, and that is the basis of racial discrimination towards black people across the world.

P.S. Trinidad is half Indian, half black. The same applies to Guyana as well.

Trinidad is black dominated
Indians are recent comers
and it's still a black run country
That supports my point

And no, I don't believe in lovey dovey
I just hate hypocrisy and like saying things as they are
White people trying to paint themselves as saviours when you and I know that the elite do things that favour their interests FIRST

That's not benevolence but "wayo based diplomacy" lmaooo
Let's be truthful to ourselves

RodgersAkpafu:


Treat people as equals and stop dehumanising them
That's much easier than forcing urself as a superior

So according to you, because their countries of origin are not developed, they don't deserve the right to be treated like humans?
That's what you are saying ? It's like saying because some relatives of yours are not as rich as you are, they should be treated "less than" and those relatives should accept such treatment
na wa oo

The only way to earn respect (it is not a gift, so no dash here) is to be wealthy. This belief that everyone should like you or the next person is untrue. It does not exist in real life. Anything aside from wealth by black people would continue to have us experience racial discrimination. Humans will always be tribal and discriminatory. Wealth is the only force that drastically reduces it because there are consequences for such disrespect. That is the singular reason I respect Chinese elites - they made sure China became what it is today that any disrespect has economic consequences. Humans protect their interests more than their rights.

Asking one's master to offer respect and expecting it is very unrealistic. The only way out is to be a master. Humans are not innately altruistic. I don talk this thing tire: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically Remi Adekoya has said the same.

You reside in the UK where Chinese students dominate Russell Group of Universities such that British lawmakers are not happy they populate STEM departments at Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial but cannot do anything drastic thing because Chinese students pay complete tuition and don't bother to stay back after their education. Compare that to how our people were talked about and treated? How come Black South Africans aren't mentioned in the same manner? Anything aside wealth by black people in Africa is turenchi.

IbeOkehie:


So here we are again.

What makes you think the Black African has the ABILITY to become more advanced? The history of Nigeria gives no confidence it's possible.

What makes you think Black Africans can erase negative proclivities from our culture? The Igbo still observe Osu strictures till today. Yet the same Igbo reach USA and start protesting against racism.

Black Africans sold their own people into slavery....to BOTH Arabs and Europeans, and now the migrant children of the slave sellers are in the USA competing against the descendants of slaves for the little benefits procured for the former slaves by the White Racists. This never ceases to blow my mind, it's just crazy that this can happen. It's insane.

The problem of Black African development, both in Africa and the Diaspora, has more to do with Black Africans themselves and less to do with White Supremacy.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Gerrard59
please I will politely ask you to answer paragraph 2 for me
I'll like to hear what you think

Gerrard59:

The only way to earn respect (it is not a gift, so no dash here) is to be wealthy. This belief that everyone should like you or the next person is untrue. It does not exist in real life. Anything aside from wealth by black people would continue to have us experience racial discrimination. Humans will always be tribal and discriminatory. Wealth is the only force that drastically reduces it because there are consequences for such disrespect. That is the singular reason I respect Chinese elites - they made sure China became what it is today that any disrespect has economic consequences. Humans protect their interests more than their rights.

Asking one's master to offer respect and expecting it is very unrealistic. The only way out is to be a master. Humans are not innately altruistic. I don talk this thing tire: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically Remi Adekoya has said the same.

You reside in the UK where Chinese students dominate Russell Group of Universities such that British lawmakers are not happy they populate STEM departments at Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial but cannot do anything drastic thing because Chinese students pay complete tuition and don't bother to stay back after their education. Compare that to how our people were talked about and treated? How come Black South Africans aren't mentioned in the same manner? Anything aside wealth by black people in Africa is turenchi.

I mean I am British educated, so I get what you are saying about the Chinese

The UK set a trap called the ATAS approval process, and this keeps Chinese students away from key courses in key unis across the UK...
They fear (for good reason) that the Chinese are here to steal (which I suspect some of them are) that's why they are check mating them, as well as running subversive policies to keep the Chinese in the UK and socialise them to hate the Chinese and become British (this one is in full swing and is working)
so much so that the Chinese ambassador had to visit my school and other unis this year
British people are masters of wayo diplomacy and I give them that. Chinese students coming in are now wanting to stay back as the life here is now alluring to them, compared to the "prison" they are coming from (my colleagues word, not mine)

this cat and mouse game that China and the UK is playing is proof that they are not benevolent like IbeOkehie erroneously believe they are

Na wayo diplomacy dem dey all play

I agree with u though
We need to step up as a people
even if we can't do that in the continent
At least let's make out imprint here

But no, it's all about conspicuous consumption and destructive habits smh

That's why the British are subverting the return of Chinese students who study courses here but are antagonistic towards Indians (first place) and Nigerians/Africans

I see ur point though
Don't know if you saw the angle I was coming from

And BTW, black South Africans are not even in the setting at all

most are content with their township life in the backwaters of SA
Them no dey setting at all

US is a land of opportunity, dreams come true there. Musk is a living proof.

RodgersAkpafu:


you understood my post wrong . Minorities here are up in arms against white folks HERE BECAUSE of how they have been treated.
Europe has not been nice to migrants and that's the truth.
America is good in this regard, and that's why they have less of these issues compared to their European counterparts

America is "good" because it is historical an immigrant society. Expecting Europe to be egalitarian when it is homogenous is unrealistic. However, I want to see how America will keep being good as its white population declines in the coming years. What we are seeing and would see in the coming years is that the White man will become apprehensive because of his declining birth rate and economic force. This is a human nature. I have written on the same issue with Igbos in Lagos. Mind your business and leave the politics for the natives: https://www.nairaland.com/1392990/igbo-governance-lagos/6#126149517

I was in France sometime ago, and I was communicating with a friend I made there, you need to hear what they are really going through there to warrant them being antagonistic to the French state. When you treat people as lesser humans, there will be a blow back and a nasty reaction. Newton third law of motion : Action and reaction are equal. Every riot in the UK was started by right wing lunatics who want to put migrants in their place So when they defend themselves, u IbeOkehie see it as an issue ?

First, France is a cruel and terrible coloniser, especially towards black people/countries. Two, France as a country still impoverishes Francophone countries by hook or crook. But again, the only solution to that is for Black African countries to be wealthy. The way Africans siddon put in the West make me conclude that they don't believe they can develop their lands to be functioning, safe and prosperous. This is one factor that makes me respect African Americans and Black South Africans - they fought for their rights. In the case of AAs, they were taken against their will, so they deserve to be respected. Those wey enter aeroplane WILLINGLY should know their place.

P.S. In defence of migrants in the West, well, I see some of the issues they face as Karma. If their papa and mama sat in their houses, maybe there would not have been colonisation and displacement. Also, if they had not destabilised the Middle East, there wouldn't have been a migrant crisis.

Are you okay with second class citizen status? because of what you see as a "privilege" of living in the west and amongst them? All I am saying is simple. Treat us with respect. Heck
you don't even have to like us per se and life will be sweet

One, you are most likely treated well in the UK rather than in Nigeria, especially as an Igbo man. Two, the only place you can be treated well is in your dominant environment. The reason wealthy Chinese who want to emigrate from China opt for Singapore or Japan.

Trying to force a false sense of superiority will always be met with fierce resistance

In another person's house? Now I see wetin make Ronu people vex. Why I kick against them is because Ronu people still want One Nigeria, and this is incompatible with displaying Ronu behaviour. They should pick a struggle.

Gerrard59:

America is "good" because it is historical an immigrant society. Expecting Europe to be egalitarian when it is homogenous is unrealistic. However, I want to see how America will keep being good as its white population declines in the coming years. What we are seeing and would see in the coming years is that the White man will become apprehensive because of his declining birth rate and economic force. This is a human nature. I have written on the same issue with Igbos in Lagos. Mind your business and leave the politics for the natives: https://www.nairaland.com/1392990/igbo-governance-lagos/6#126149517


First, France is a cruel and terrible coloniser, especially towards black people/countries. Two, France as a country still impoverishes Francophone countries by hook or crook. But again, the only solution to that is for Black African countries to be wealthy. The way Africans siddon put in the West make me conclude that they don't believe they can develop their lands to be functioning, safe and prosperous. This is one factor that makes me respect African Americans and Black South Africans - they fought for their rights. In the case of AAs, they were taken against their will, so they deserve to be respected. Those wey enter aeroplane WILLINGLY should know their place.

P.S. In defence of migrants in the West, well, I see some of the issues they face as Karma. If their papa and mama sat in their houses, maybe there would not have been colonisation and displacement. Also, if they had not destabilised the Middle East, there wouldn't have been a migrant crisis.


One, you are most likely treated well in the UK rather than in Nigeria, especially as an Igbo man. Two, the only place you can be treated well is in your dominant environment. The reason wealthy Chinese who want to emigrate from China opt for Singapore or Japan.


In another person's house? Now I see wetin make Ronu people vex. Why I kick against them is because Ronu people still want One Nigeria, and this is incompatible with displaying Ronu behaviour. They should pick a struggle.

Looking at ur last argument
"in another person's house"

Let's look at South Africa and how the white people there are moving mad by creating "orania"

are they not figuratively speaking in "another person's house"
What give them the impetus to act with impunity and see themselves as above black people on their "ancestral homeland "?
What of how white folks in Africa demand better treatment (and are foolishly being treated better than Africans IN Africa )
are they not " in another person's. house?

I mean u have been to Zim so you may be familiar with how white Namibian move IN Namibia

All we are asking for is respect as human beings
we are not even expecting preferential treatment as white people demand in Africa on account of white supremacy
Just treat us as humans and not sub humans

Saying what you said in that paragraph suggest you (maybe) sanction poor treatment of minorities in the UK and France
So because Africans are here, they should accept such treatment right?

AAs didn't and still fight against it
and we at this side of this fence go continue to press neck if they move mad
We know our place, and our place is a place of being treated as humans and not animals

And migration is normal
Africans living in the West and not wanting to move back to Africa is not an issue in itself
Let those in Africa develop Africa
it's that simple

afterall it was European migration outward that created settler colonies in Americas and Australia
The key is just for the black folks to give a good account of themselves here

RodgersAkpafu:

I differ with Gerrard59 on the whole China thing
As much as I have some issues, with our relationship with the west, its still better than what it will be if we relate with the Chinese

at least westerners forgave debt, the Chinese will never ever forgive debt, they must collect

M

My stance with the Chinese has always been simple: do business with them, chop pork, drink alcohol and speak Mandarin. Thereafter, everybody go him papa house. I don't expect them to like me nor do I love them. I only admire their sheer hard work and ruthless efficiency towards doing things. The market is big and I noticed that countries get wealthy by selling to other rich people. So, African countries should target selling to the Chinese and requesting for technology transfer. This happens if asked. On the other hand, the West WILL NOT transfer technical know-how to us. This happened during COVID. If not for India, people for lack access to vaccines. The pharmaceutical facility by Moderna in Kenya abi South Africa has been scrapped. But as I write, FIDSON Healthcare would collaborate with a major Chinese pharmaceutical company to build a factory that produces drugs for HIV in Lagos. May And Baker is doing the same in malaria drugs. In both projects, the technical know-how would be shared by the Chinese to our people. If tomorrow, we don't know how to produce those drugs without their involvement. The blame is on us, not the Chinese. But how many times Pfizer don do the same? yet people go siddon for London and New York telling me China is bad. If e bad like that, let those diasporans go to Africa - their native lands - and out-do the Chinese. The essence of my statement: the Chinese would scratch our backs. Our business is to scratch theirs as well as they did theirs to our backs.

On a side note, the West is angry that China does not want a Plaza Accord Version 2.0 and remains as a backwater manufacturing country rather than a major competitor in high-value goods. This is not surprising as everyone has to protect its interests.

RodgersAkpafu:


I mean I am British educated, so I get what you are saying about the Chinese

The UK set a trap called the ATAS approval process, and this keeps Chinese students away from key courses in key unis across the UK...
They fear (for good reason) that the Chinese are here to steal (which I suspect some of them are) that's why they are check mating them, as well as running subversive policies to keep the Chinese in the UK and socialise them to hate the Chinese and become British (this one is in full swing and is working)

In return, Chinese students especially those from the Mainland would stay clear of British universities. Let Oxbridge and Imperial go to Onitsha and Ijebu-ode to recruit high tuition fees students who aren't mandated by law to do POF. As for subservient policies, most likely those woke ones who study courses with funny looking names and/or their cousins from Hong Kong. Some of them ran back to Hong Kong and Singapore after experiencing the terrible weather and high rate of crime in the UK.

so much so that the Chinese ambassador had to visit my school and other unis this year
British people are masters of wayo diplomacy and I give them that. Chinese students coming in are now wanting to stay back as the life here is now alluring to them, compared to the "prison" they are coming from (my colleagues word, not mine)

My comment above describes such people. As of last year, Chinese students topped the list of foreigners who study at British universities but were below the list of those with dependants and weren't interested in staying back. I wonder how that has changed so rapidly within a year. I hope you are not mistaking Chinese Singaporeans for Mainland Chinese?

this cat and mouse game that China and the UK is playing is proof that they are not benevolent like IbeOkehie erroneously believe they are

Obviously, they are not benevolent. They appear so because we are weak. The moment we rise economically, they would fret. In my opinion, they have this belief that we would never rise. Also, in their defence, they fear that should we rise economically, we would be worse than the Chinese, especially considering the inhumane treatment as a result of the slave trade and colonisation.

And BTW, black South Africans are not even in the setting at all

most are content with their township life in the backwaters of SA. Them no dey setting at all

Because they have it better in South Africa than in the UK. When the Nigerian economy was good, our people went to the UK, studied and gladly/willingly returned. That is life - humans prefer to live amongst those who look, think, talk and behave like them.