Lol.. American politics is becoming the worst politics in the whole world. Serves them right.

IbeOkehie:


I've already accepted that we have differing opinions on the HISTORY & EVIDENCE that the world presents to us. That's a normal part of life. I'm not arguing with you anymore.

The table is official stats on murder in the USA. Murder and car theft are two crimes that have credible reporting standards.

The table is there. Any university educated person can make out the figures and the interpretation, taking account of the percentage composition of the population. Who is killing who in the USA? Answered by official stats.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Stop cooning sha
It is not a good sight so behold
Have some self pride

We aren't arguing
You can hold on to your views if you like
But I'll only admonish you again, to stop cooning
Behavioural traits are not genetic

Blacks are not inferior to anybody
nobody is inferior to anybody

The crime stats you put there was in an attempt to paint blacks in negative light
I know it and you know it

But you will turn a blind eye to the factors that led to such in the first place

anyways

Good luck to you
And Good luck to Nigeria

Stop cooning

It's amazing how black folks will come to the defense of white folks who clearly did wrong, rationalise why did wrong, and castigate their own people in the process

The psychological impact of colonialism is real mehn
Substitute Elon and brother with a chukwudi or Kunle

and see the diff in tone

MomohMrMoore:
Lol.. American politics is becoming the worst politics in the whole world. Serves them right.

disgusting tbh

ObalendeCMS:
Walai, trump no go enter!

So you & musk want to dull my japa plan?

Walai, trump, you no go enter!

I can bet tit.

you do know that regardless of who wins
Immigration is not gonna be relaxed

The supreme Court has already ruled that American spouses are not guaranteed passing green cards to their non American spouses

look wahala....

flyinnizam:
oga shut up, if trump is an immigrant, he can't contest

olodo read before you quote
He’s family came into America as an illegal migrant and was born here same thing with elon

Why deport mother, father and children because their parent came as illegal migrant

Joe seems very clear-headed now after dropping out.


Even Trump's parents were migrants that came to the USA. America can really help you reach your dream. Now elon is now the richest man in the world.

Goke7:


The question is how do you differentiate between both groups. These folks don’t have the time for such details because they aren’t interested in the first place in any affirmative action and will never be. They just pretend to be for sake of peace. They will continue to just lump everyone in same category.

Then scrap it in its entirety as it does more harm than good. If the Chinese who were the first to be excluded from the US based on their race could leapfrog past everyone including the dominant whites to spots in selective universities and jobs, then everyone else could do the same.

steeltrust:
olodo read before you quote
He’s family came into America as an illegal migrant and was born here same thing with elon

Why deport mother, father and children because their parent came as illegal migrant

u don't just have sense...what was ur first statement? now na parents no longer trump

CaptainGo:




You're talking down on people to seem superior?

Until you achieve a fraction of what Musk has, you have no justification to belittle his achievements.

And for your information

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/25/nasa-spacex-crew-8-return-earth/75841523007/

Dumb statement.

Using your warped logic why are you belittling NASA's achievements given you can't even put LEGO together?

You bought into Elon's self-promotion. Self-landing rockets don't move the space exploration needle all that much. Musk is nowhere near sending anyone to Mars (dumb proposition anyway) despite decades of endless promises. His self-driving cars are nowhere, robotaxi event was a scam, his robots were remote-controlled by humans, Neuralink has not proven anything yet, Boring Company is a bust, hyperloop is a bust, his Tesla sales are tanking with Chinese rivals giving him a bloody nose (even Lucid cars are better put together and more efficient), Twitter is worth a fraction of what he bought it for and still shedding advertisers without becoming "X, the Everything App" he promised, SpaceX is not profitable. His only profitable company is still the tepid Tesla.

Face it, the only thing he has working is Starlink (and rivals are catching up),


As for your link about astronauts returning, what's your point? They were stranded because of Boeing, not NASA.

Stop dick-riding a self-promoting billionaire who buys his way into companies, pays engineers to do their jobs, and then takes credit for wat he didnt do himself.

flyinnizam:
u don't just have sense...what was ur first statement? now na parents no longer trump

na why I call you olodo
Read make you understand no de cap nonsense

steeltrust:
na why I call you olodo
Read make you understand no de cap nonsense

empty akpereee

Gerrard59:

Then scrap it in its entirety as it does more harm than good. If the Chinese who were the first to be excluded from the US based on their race could leapfrog past everyone including the dominant whites to spots in selective universities and jobs, then everyone else could do the same.

Only that the Chinese people did not go through slavery, colonisation, segregation, redlining and domestic terrorism that the black experience have been over the last at least 200 plus years

Chinese people going through the level of dehumanisation and humiliation black people have been through, for so long would definitely make a dent and impact

And don't also forget that it is their high achievers that even get to migrate in the first place
The AAs don't have that level of grace

The race to succeed had never been equal but very lopsided AGAINST the black man, and the very fact that many black people can't even sympathise with this is just so..... disheartening

RodgersAkpafu:


Only that the Chinese people did not go through slavery, colonisation, segregation, redlining and domestic terrorism that the black experience have been over the last at least 200 plus years

Chinese people going through the level of dehumanisation and humiliation black people have been through, for so long would definitely make a dent and impact

And don't also forget that it is their high achievers that even get to migrate in the first place
The AAs don't have that level of grace

The race to succeed had never been equal but very lopsided AGAINST the black man, and the very fact that many black people can't even sympathise with this is just so..... disheartening

IF AA should go. then legacy admissions that benefit white ppl should also go

Let everybody slug it out

Advision:
Same in the UK. Earlier Immigrants tends to exhibit the greater vile to other Immigrants...the likes of Suela Breverman and Kemi Badenoch

Kemi Badenoch (whose husband is a British-Jewish banker) and the other British-Jewish woman (Suela Breverman) are both British-born NOT direct immigrants like their parents.

Indeed, descendants of immigrants in other countries such as the United States and Canada have also been Identified in the same vile space that Kemi and the others in the UK have towards newer immigration.

BigIyanga:

STFU. Go and eat first, then read read read and come bavk.

I know your type; retorting to insult because there's nothing useful in the brain.

Is this even necessary for a Presidential Manifesto? The man is the power house of the world now in terms of wealth! Even if hes a racist bastard, this argument absolutely holds no water if you ask me.

flyinnizam:
empty akpereee

olodo 😂🤣

Gerrard59:

Then scrap it in its entirety as it does more harm than good. If the Chinese who were the first to be excluded from the US based on their race could leapfrog past everyone including the dominant whites to spots in selective universities and jobs, then everyone else could do the same.

If it’s scrapped expect more hostility and justification for segregation. The folks you’re dealing with ain’t playing and giving up their superiority edge so soon and will continue to exploit it. It’s a jungle we all are living in

Neoteny:


Dumb statement.

Using your warped logic why are you belittling NASA's achievements given you can't even put LEGO together?

You bought into Elon's self-promotion. Self-landing rockets don't move the space exploration needle all that much. Musk is nowhere near sending anyone to Mars (dumb proposition anyway) despite decades of endless promises. His self-driving cars are nowhere, robotaxi event was a scam, his robots were remote-controlled by humans, Neuralink has not proven anything yet, Boring Company is a bust, hyperloop is a bust, his Tesla sales are tanking with Chinese rivals giving him a bloody nose (even Lucid cars are better put together and more efficient), Twitter is worth a fraction of what he bought it for and still shedding advertisers without becoming "X, the Everything App" he promised, SpaceX is not profitable. His only profitable company is still the tepid Tesla.

Face it, the only thing he has working is Starlink (and rivals are catching up),


As for your link about astronauts returning, what's your point? They were stranded because of Boeing, not NASA.

Stop dick-riding a self-promoting billionaire who buys his way into companies, pays engineers to do their jobs, and then takes credit for wat he didnt do himself.

Where in my comment did I belittle NASA's achievement?

You take this so personally, why are you triggered?

I said do not belittle the man's achievement and you call that dick-riding?

Go home to your wife and have sex. Relax.

Goke7:

If it’s scrapped expect more hostility and justification for segregation. The folks you’re dealing with ain’t playing and giving up their superiority edge so soon and will continue to exploit it. It’s a jungle we all are living in

They are in their dominant land. I don't go about fighting natives in their dominant lands. Again, only African Americans who have been enslaved and fought for their rights should benefit NOT those wey WILLINGLY enter aeroplane. Worse come to worst, I see whites and AAs pairing to fight off other classes of immigrants. Their relationship has gone a long way. Na only Indians and Black Africans I see dying put to benefit from the US. The Chinese don't. Well, we know why - they built their lands.

RodgersAkpafu:


Only that the Chinese people did not go through slavery, colonisation, segregation, redlining and domestic terrorism that the black experience have been over the last at least 200 plus years. Chinese people going through the level of dehumanisation and humiliation black people have been through, for so long would definitely make a dent and impact. And don't also forget that it is their high achievers that even get to migrate in the first place. The AAs don't have that level of grace

The reason affirmative action benefits should only be accorded to them, not Black Africans. Already, Black Africans are taking up places originally meant for African Americans at elite institutions. I would do the same as I have stated it here: https://www.nairaland.com/8184851/top-waec-scorers-2009-where#131568209

The race to succeed had never been equal but very lopsided AGAINST the black man, and the very fact that many black people can't even sympathise with this is just so..... disheartening

Life has never been fair. There has been the Trans-Saharan slave trade but comparing the outcomes of the descendants of those people versus those from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, we know who had positive developments. Black people think whites are so bad and hate us, let Indians and Arabs become as powerful as they (whites) are, then we go know whatsup.

The only deterrent is wealth as a race, not endless protests here and there. Nothing good comes easy or is offered on a platter of gold.

cc: IbeOkehie

Gerrard59:

They are in their dominant land. I don't go about fighting natives in their dominant lands. Again, only African Americans who have been enslaved and fought for their rights should benefit NOT those wey WILLINGLY enter aeroplane. Worse come to worst, I see whites and AAs pairing to fight off other classes of immigrants. Their relationship has gone a long way. Na only Indians and Black Africans I see dying put to benefit from the US. The Chinese don't. Well, we know why - they built their lands.

U know when I read your comments
I am often conflicted internally
Is it the same Chinese ppl I know and interact with that Gerrard59 keeps extolling like this ?

The same Chinese people that took planes to Ecuador because it was visa free, and started marching towards America trying to cross boarder illegally in their multitudes that Ecuador had to cancel the visa free access due to American and Mexican diplomacy pressure ?

You wear rose tinted glasses when looking at this issue
What makes it okay for Italians and Ireland and Polish ppl to escape their countries at the tine it was failing but not Africans and Indians today ?
Hordes of white people and Chinese people over centuries have been moving to America and "dying put" (using ur words) to benefit from the USA, as things got better, the flow reduced and those who crossed became Americans
This wave now is for Latin America, Indians Africans and Phillipinos.


I even mentioned that treating minorities like second class citizens are now fought off fiercely by us, and ur response was "for another person land "?
So because I'm an immigrant from another country, I should accept shoddy treatment?

What of the British and other European expatriates in Nigeria/Africa, should we start harassing them as well?

On this one , this is why I like Egypt
Egyptians are hostile towards them
Tit for tat things
but black man ?
smh


" I don't challenge people in their dominant environments " But white South Africans and white Namibian are challenging their black counterparts IN THEIR OWN DOMINANT ENVIRONMENTS with that talk of Orania and Cape Town independence and all that jazz

Imagine Pakistanis wanting to breakout Bradford from the UK and call it Bradistan lol (actually, that's the nickname because they are the dominant ethnic group there ), carving up independent communities parallel to Westminster?

How will white media react to that ?
Even as they are, they already complain bitterly, but Bradford is gone, they should not bother lol

Anyways *shrugs*

Gerrard59:

The reason affirmative action benefits should only be accorded to them, not Black Africans. Already, Black Africans are taking up places originally meant for African Americans at elite institutions. I would do the same as I have stated it here: https://www.nairaland.com/8184851/top-waec-scorers-2009-where#131568209


Life has never been fair. There has been the Trans-Saharan slave trade but comparing the outcomes of the descendants of those people versus those from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, we know who had positive developments. Black people think whites are so bad and hate us, let Indians and Arabs become as powerful as they (whites) are, then we go know whatsup.

The only deterrent is wealth as a race, not endless protests here and there. Nothing good comes easy or is offered on a platter of gold.

cc: IbeOkehie

I can understand your argument against Affirmative Action for Black Africans sha

But the kicker is....
Black Africans by virtue of being cousins to AA, often face the same issues that AAs face

Once you are Black, the white supremacist don't care
At all

RodgersAkpafu:


U know when I read your comments
I am often conflicted internally
Is it the same Chinese ppl I know and interact with that Gerrard.59 keeps extolling like this ? The same Chinese people that took planes to Ecuador because it was visa free, and started marching towards America trying to cross boarder illegally in their multitudes that Ecuador had to cancel the visa free access due to American and Mexican diplomacy pressure ? You wear rose tinted glasses when looking at this issue
What makes it okay for Italians and Ireland and Polish ppl to escape their countries at the tine it was failing but not Africans and Indians today ?

Maybe because I live in the region where they are dominant, also, China is too populated, so the number of Chinese emigrating would make numbers anywhere. The reality is that humans are tribal - that is the first thing we should understand. Humans begin to jitter when resources are scarce or their numbers aren't plentiful any longer as seen in low birth rates. It is why countries tighten employment and immigration laws when the economy gets bad. They have to cater to their people FIRST before anyone else. How is this a bad thing? Nuclear families are more united than polygamous homes just as siblings have a closer bond than cousins. It is a basic human trait to prefer people who look, think and talk like you. I have seen this countless times. In a multi-ethnic/racial environment, those who speak the same language/cultural values congregate amongst themselves.

I am an immigrant just as you, but I understand how humans behave and plan accordingly. I have seen how wealth earns respect from all and sundry even though those people don't like them.

I even mentioned that treating minorities like second class citizens are now fought off fiercely by us, and ur response was "for another person land "? So because I'm an immigrant from another country, I should accept shoddy treatment?

While migration is as old as mankind, we need to understand that humans are tribal beings. The only way to deter shoddy treatment is by building a successful and wealthy race/country. That is the only factor that earns respect. I concede that we see things differently, and that is fine. But as someone who grew up in a closely bonded family with all resources available, I find it insulting when someone tries to disrespect me because I am in his territory. What this sends to me is to build my own and stay there. That is my answer, and this should be the plan of every black Black African.

What of the British and other European expatriates in Nigeria/Africa, should we start harassing them as well?

Employed by European and British firms in Nigeria. Humans like money, so they respect those who bring economic benefits into their domain. The Europeans in Africa work for off-shoots of their firms, so they are classed differently. When their numbers begin to increase rapidly and they compete for resources rather than providing them, the natives would get antsy. Nigerians, for one, would not vote for a non-indigene let alone a non-black person who is a naturalised Nigerian. In Namibia, they prioritise the applications of black folks over whites. In Ghana, they prioritise citizens in forming businesses and slapped a $1M minimum fee on foreigners who want to start similar businesses. So, this belief that blacks cannot display racial discrimination is untrue. Blacks, just like every other race out there, are tribal beings.

On this one , this is why I like Egypt. Egyptians are hostile towards them. Tit for tat things. but black man ? smh

I think it is just my mentality, but all that energy should be invested in ensuring Egypt becomes wealthy. Why are Emiratis treated differently? Well, the Brits share a long history with Egypt, so I call it Karma. Let me see how Egyptians would be hostile to Japanese in Tokyo, Chinese in Beijing and South Koreans in Seoul.

RodgersAkpafu:


I can understand your argument against Affirmative Action for Black Africans sha But the kicker is....
Black Africans by virtue of being cousins to AA, often face the same issues that AAs face

Once you are Black, the white supremacist don't care
At all

Fine, but we were not forced onto ships. Let those who were forced enjoy the benefits they fought for. Others regardless of skin resemblance should join the queue meant for everyone else. Those who don't like it should build competitive universities such as Covenant, the University of Cape Town or The University of the Witwatersrand.

Gerrard59:

Fine, but we were not forced onto ships. Let those who were forced enjoy the benefits they fought for. Others regardless of skin resemblance should join the queue meant for everyone else. Those who don't like it should build competitive universities such as Covenant, the University of Cape Town or The University of the Witwatersrand.

Of course
It's logical

@Gerrard59

I meant Egyptians being hostile to brits in Egypt
Not here in the UK.

And yea, even in China, igbo people dey stand their ground against poor treatment in China
I mean, you live there, I'm surprised you no dey hear scores
But I do, based on that my village uncle that is China based with family
Dunno about Japan though

You are right
The state of the black world is shameful, and we should improve it for our own good, not even for any other thing

Thats why I agree with David Hundeyin when he calls Nigerian and African elite "gutter elites"
Because Elites build countries, and if the country isn't built, the primary blame falls on the elite there
You will rather buy expensive cars and jets to rub shoulder with your "mates" ( or better put, who you think are ur mates) instead of improving the roads, funding your schools or providing portable water
Poverty of the mind

RodgersAkpafu:
@Gerrard59

I meant Egyptians being hostile to brits in Egypt
Not here in the UK.

Oh! Fair enough.

And yea, even in China, igbo people dey stand their ground against poor treatment in China. I mean, you live there, I'm surprised you no dey hear scores. But I do, based on that my village uncle that is China based with family
Dunno about Japan though

Always fighting in another man's land but cannot do the same against insurgents and demonic politicians in their lands. None has fought the Orji Uzor clan in Abia, na to go China dey fight the natives. The same in the UK, the same in the US. Na for outside dem get power. No be say anywhere in the East can be compared to a third-tier city in China.

As for the bold, the Japanese don't openly mete poor treatment. They are so reserved, but anyone who breaks the law as defined by the authorities gets punished, no ifs or buts.

You are right
The state of the black world is shameful, and we should improve it for our own good, not even for any other thing. Thats why I agree with David Hundeyin when he calls Nigerian and African elite "gutter elites". Because Elites build countries, and if the country isn't built, the primary blame falls on the elite there. You will rather buy expensive cars and jets to rub shoulder with your "mates" ( or better put, who you think are ur mates) instead of improving the roads, funding your schools or providing portable water
Poverty of the mind

We are the on same page. Build your land to enviable standards, ensure your people are prosperous and safe. These strides rub off those outside because other people know they have built something back home. Remi Adekoya, a Polish-Nigerian academic in the UK has written on this and even has a book on it: https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/its-not-about-whiteness-its-about-wealth/

Gerrard59:

They are in their dominant land. I don't go about fighting natives in their dominant lands. Again, only African Americans who have been enslaved and fought for their rights should benefit NOT those wey WILLINGLY enter aeroplane. Worse come to worst, I see whites and AAs pairing to fight off other classes of immigrants. Their relationship has gone a long way. Na only Indians and Black Africans I see dying put to benefit from the US. The Chinese don't. Well, we know why - they built their lands.

It still won’t solve anything. The whole issue is not about immigrants it’s way deeper than that. The struggle AAs still face has nothing to do with immigration from other parts of the world.

Talking even about dominant land kindly leave North America out of it. No race can claim total ownership there. Everybody there is an immigrant.

Goke7:


It still won’t solve anything. The whole issue is not about immigrants it’s way deeper than that. The struggle AAs still face has nothing to do with immigration from other parts of the world.

Talking even about dominant land kindly leave North America out of it. No race can claim total ownership there. Everybody there is an immigrant.

I think I'll agree with your paragraph 2 about North America

And besides, whites are fast sliding into minority status in the USA, so even by Gerrard59 definition, they won't be dominant in the land in the next decade
The handwriting is on the wall, and is getting white supremacists panicky