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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:37am On Nov 03
Olowunl01:
Oh wow same Almajiri kids APC used to kick out Goodluck Jonathan.
These are kids, it's a shame that it ever got to court, the prosecution should be ashamed of themselves.
So if I get government issued ID, I could lay claim to Dayo's multi billion naira assets in Nigeria, let me contacts my Oluwole cousins grin
That these kids have govt issued ID stating they are adults doesn't make them adult, if government doesn't want to open the can of worms of how they get those documents then they should just set them free.

The key difference is that the ID is not Oluwole. It's genuine and there can't be 2 Dayos. That's the purpose of an ID in the first place which is why I can't claim to be Tinubu or Dangote and go claim their money in a bank
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:40am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


Which age claim are u talking about here ? Even a blind man can see they are minors . Or are u saying they arrested them with valid ID cards on them claiming a different age ?

Because I’m not just understanding how u people just try to muddling things up over glaring issues .

Government recognized them as adult and AGF wants charges to be dropped against them ? 😂😂😂

The blind man who saw them voting and their leaders/parents claimed they are adults when many people think they look like minors

It seemed to us that they were minors during elections but their parents claimed they were adults with evidence of a proper original govt ID.

It's that same ID that is now being used to get their age regardless of what your eyes tell you.

Charges are dropped against adults all the time in court

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:40am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


How do u always come up with these conclusions ? 🤦‍♂️

If minors are used for election fraud, it is the job of government and its agencies to fish out all adults involved in that fraud and prosecute them. Has the government done that ? No! Why ? Because the election fraud has favored the government . ( Ues it was in the wake of 2019 presidential elections we saw pictures of kids on voters register and that favored Buhari’s second term bid)

Now if a kid is alleged to have committed a crime , the law says u can only that kid within the child judicial system. There is no ifs and buts . The law does not say if the child is almajiri such child should be taken to an adult court to be tried or remanded in an adult prison . That is not the law .

Let’s not start bringing issues that are independent of each other just to win an argument . The reason why the AGF is stepping in at this point is because he has seen the obvious mess up from the government’s side. It’s as simple as that .

This issue is going to be revisited multiple times going forward. Because this is the first time children have been arrested up north. Actually maybe not. I am fairly sure we will find the same has happened during multiple shitte clashes with security agencies.

If this embarrassment means that this is the last time children will be used as political pawns by all parties involved, great. But I think we both know that will not be the case.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:42am On Nov 03
GloriousGbola:


This issue is going to be revisited multiple times going forward. Because this is the first time children have been arrested up north. Actually maybe not. I am fairly sure we will find the same has happened during multiple shitte clashes with security agencies.

If this embarrassment means that this is the last time children will be used as political pawns by all parties involved, great. But I think we both know that will not be the case.

Last time how? Let there be another election next week, these minors will become adults once again and you will see them on voting lines

Their minor/adulthood depends on the situation they find themselves

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 11:46am On Nov 03
raumdeuter:


The key difference is that the ID is not Oluwole. It's genuine and there can't be 2 Dayos. That's the purpose of an ID in the first place which is why I can't claim to be Tinubu or Dangote and go claim their money in a bank
Bro, the kids ID are invalid because they were gotten using false pretense, nitori owo ina, doesn't make it valid.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:47am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


How do u always come up with these conclusions ? 🤦‍♂️

If minors are used for election fraud, it is the job of government and its agencies to fish out all adults involved in that fraud and prosecute them. Has the government done that ? No! Why ? Because the election fraud has favored the government . ( Ues it was in the wake of 2019 presidential elections we saw pictures of kids on voters register and that favored Buhari’s second term bid)

Now if a kid is alleged to have committed a crime , the law says u can only that kid within the child judicial system. There is no ifs and buts . The law does not say if the child is almajiri such child should be taken to an adult court to be tried or remanded in an adult prison . That is not the law .

Youth corpers are used by inec. What do you think will happen if a youth Corper challenges an obvious child carrying a government issued voters card? I am sure any youth Corper who has served in any election up north has a lot of stories to tell about child voters. More so when everyone is in on the game and the party agents never call this out.

This is not about Buhari or apc, this is something done across the north by all political parties.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:49am On Nov 03
Olowunl01:
Oh wow same Almajiri kids APC used to kick out Goodluck Jonathan.
These are kids, it's a shame that it ever got to court, the prosecution should be ashamed of themselves.
So if I get government issued ID, I could lay claim to Dayo's multi billion naira assets in Nigeria, let me contacts my Oluwole cousins grin
That these kids have govt issued ID stating they are adults doesn't make them adult, if government doesn't want to open the can of worms of how they get those documents then they should just set them free.

The people making such arguments don’t even know how ridiculous it sounds .

I’m patiently waiting for the FG through the office of AGF to drop charges against those kids , I will now see next ridiculous line of argument/justification that will be dished out of the APC WhatsApp group
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:50am On Nov 03
Olowunl01:

Bro, the kids ID are invalid because they were gotten using false pretense, nitori owo ina, doesn't make it valid.

How is it invalid? The Naija passport that Naija footballers carry go Europe under false age pretense. Is it valid or not? If say Taiye Taiwo wey I sure say I young pass bring his passport showing I am older, would it be fake or genuine?

If I work in a bank and he shows his passport should I pay him his money or not
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:50am On Nov 03
raumdeuter:


The blind man who saw them voting and their leaders/parents claimed they are adults when many people think they look like minors

It seemed to us that they were minors during elections but their parents claimed they were adults with evidence of a proper original govt ID.

It's that same ID that is now being used to get their age regardless of what your eyes tell you.

Charges are dropped against adults all the time in court

Lmao 🤣

Whatever makes u sleep well at night

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:51am On Nov 03
Olowunl01:

Bro, the kids ID are invalid because they were gotten using false pretense, nitori owo ina, doesn't make it valid.

The fact that these children were registered by inec officials, confirmed by inec officials, issued ID cards by inec officials, came to vote for elections, were confirmed and were allowed to vote means your argument is invalid

This is why banks doing kyc want government ID (drivers license, passport, voters card, nin). Because any other ID can be printed from my pc.

It would be great if one of the outcomes of this is a purging of inec registers but I am not holding my breath for this

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:53am On Nov 03
GloriousGbola:


This issue is going to be revisited multiple times going forward. Because this is the first time children have been arrested up north. Actually maybe not. I am fairly sure we will find the same has happened during multiple shitte clashes with security agencies.

If this embarrassment means that this is the last time children will be used as political pawns by all parties involved, great. But I think we both know that will not be the case.

I don tell u position of the law , u can decide that we with it or not.

In the long run , the FG will do what it believes is right before the law. Shebi na the same FG went on wild goose chase prosecuting finance executives wasting tax payers money only to drop charges recently .

No be today dem Dey fold when it’s glaring they have messed up .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 11:53am On Nov 03
Olowunl01:

Bro, the kids ID are invalid because they were gotten using false pretense, nitori owo ina, doesn't make it valid.

grin

......same invalid IDs according to you sir, its what they are using to make adult decision(s) legally.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:55am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


I don tell u position of the law , u can decide that we with it or not.

In the long run , the FG will do what it believes is right before the law. Shebi na the same FG went on wild goose chase prosecuting finance executives wasting tax payers money only to drop charges recently .

No be today dem Dey fold when it’s glaring they have messed up .

The position of the law is also the issue. These are obvious kids, but they somehow have government ID saying they are adults. That is the point of government Id.an infallible document that identifies you.

The question is what happens next? Will their ids be revoked? Will the government embark on voter Id regularization?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:55am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


Lmao 🤣

Whatever makes u sleep well at night

Recently charges were dropped against Binance executives
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 11:57am On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


I don tell u position of the law , u can decide that we with it or not.

In the long run , the FG will do what it believes is right before the law. Shebi na the same FG went on wild goose chase prosecuting finance executives wasting tax payers money only to drop charges recently .

No be today dem Dey fold when it’s glaring they have messed up .

So you know instances of govt dropping charges against adults? This is what makes me sleep at night. The truth
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:59am On Nov 03
This likely explains why one aboki showed me his ID card saying he is 30plus and I was wondering why he looked so young.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:02pm On Nov 03
GloriousGbola:


The position of the law is also the issue. These are obvious kids, but they somehow have government ID saying they are adults. That is the point of government Id.an infallible document that identifies you.

The question is what happens next? Will their ids be revoked? Will the government embark on voter Id regularization?


I want to ask you a question ; Have u seen the IDs of those 37 minors docked ? The IDs you saw did it show you their ages above 18?

If the answer to these questions is yes, please share me link to those IDs

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by seankafor(m): 12:03pm On Nov 03
Omo but make we dey tell ourselves truth sometimes irrespective how bad we hate the government or president..

Why will those illiterate kids fly a Russian flag in Nigeria territory? Don't you know it's a call for treason and overthrow of government..
I get the kids are just pawns and the main orchestras are still at large.

Those kids, their parents and everyone around them played some stupid games and deserves to win some stupid prices..

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 12:05pm On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


I want to ask you a question ; Have u seen the IDs of those 37 minors docked ? The IDs you saw did it show you their ages above 18?

If the answer to these questions is yes, please share me link to those IDs

It is whatever id on them that was used to classify them. Is that not how arrests work?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:06pm On Nov 03
raumdeuter:


So you know instances of govt dropping charges against adults? This is what makes me sleep at night. The truth

This would’ve made sense except for the fact that FG will drop charges against the minors while they will proceed with prosecution of the adults .

Which will only lead us to the conclusion that government and its agencies goofed docking obvious minors with adults . They only had to save face following the public outrage . Simlple

Any other thing na megefegede
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:08pm On Nov 03
GloriousGbola:


It is whatever id on them that was used to classify them. Is that not how arrests work?

I take this to mean that u didn’t see any document that suggested they were adults ;but u concluded they were adults because u assumed they are almajiri whom Buhari and the likes have been using to rig in the north right ?

Good.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by obainojazz(m): 12:09pm On Nov 03
seankafor:
Omo but make we dey tell ourselves truth sometimes irrespective how bad we hate the government or president..

Why will those illiterate kids fly a Russian flag in Nigeria territory? Don't you know it's a call for treason and overthrow of government..
I get the kids are just pawns and the main orchestras are still at large.

Those kids, their parents and everyone around them played some stupid games and deserves to win some stupid prices..

We know what for happen to them if na Iran…. We need juvenile jail in Nigeria finally cos I don’t support putting kids in jail with adults.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 12:11pm On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


I want to ask you a question ; Have u seen the IDs of those 37 minors docked ? The IDs you saw did it show you their ages above 18?

If the answer to these questions is yes, please share me link to those IDs

Those ages on the document and papers. Do you think they were just assigned randomly?

It's the first thing you do, you identify yourself. These kids most likely don't have international passports, nor drivers license

And no be today especially during election time that we use to hear bragging that every Northerner has their PVC on them at every time
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:12pm On Nov 03
GloriousGbola:


The position of the law is also the issue. These are obvious kids, but they somehow have government ID saying they are adults. That is the point of government Id.an infallible document that identifies you.

The question is what happens next? Will their ids be revoked? Will the government embark on voter Id regularization?


grin

...... guess you dey play chess bá?! LOL!

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 12:14pm On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


This would’ve made sense exactly for the fact that FG will drop charges against the minors while they will proceed with prosecution of the adults .

Which will only lead us to the conclusion that government and its agencies goofed docking obvious minors with adults . They only had to save face following the public outrage . Simlple

Any other thing na megefegede

FG can drop charges for anything.
They cannot drop charges because they are minors since the govt document showed they are adults

FG claiming they are minors will be an own goal scored

They will rather claim they dropped charges because of health issues(we have already seen some fainting) and wrong allegations being filed against them

When they dropped Binance guy charges I'm sure they will tie it to health or something that wouldn't be an own goal on govt
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:21pm On Nov 03
raumdeuter:


FG can drop charges for anything.
They cannot drop charges because they are minors since the govt document showed they are adults

FG claiming they are minors will be an own goal scored

They will rather claim they dropped charges because of health issues(we have already seen some fainting) and wrong allegations being filed against them

When they dropped Binance guy charges I'm sure they will tie it to health or something that wouldn't be an own goal on govt

All these mental gymnastics na for ur pocket o.

When the story will be written in the future , it will be said that the federal government docked minors with adults following the EndBadGovernance protests, the charges against the minors were dropped following public outcry and that’s that.

You may not like it that way , but it is what it is.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 12:25pm On Nov 03
TemporaryHansel:



https://x.com/Abu_Yaaseer/status/1852673913492234279?t=bin-Z_p9cJO46BxK9DgkRg&s=19

Omo 🙆‍♀️🙆‍♀️

Partly explains why children that many will be arrested and no parent raised alarm.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 12:25pm On Nov 03
BlueRayDick:


All these mental gymnastics na for ur pocket o.

When the story will be written in the future , it will be said that the federal government docked minors with adults following the EndBadGovernance protests, the charges against the minors were dropped following public outcry and that’s that.

You may not like it that way , but it is what it is.

That will be your own interpretation, Govt will never claim they are minors when the same govt have identified them as adults

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:33pm On Nov 03
raumdeuter:


That will be your own interpretation, Govt will never claim they are minors when the same govt have identified them as adults

Nobody expects accountability from the government and their apologists before na . 🤷‍♂️

All that matters is they listened to voice of reason and folded when it matters most .

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by TemporaryHansel: 12:38pm On Nov 03
Itsrm:


Omo 🙆‍♀️🙆‍♀️

Partly explains why children that many will be arrested and no parent raised alarm.

Fvcked up situation
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 12:49pm On Nov 03
Also, the defence counsel for all 119 defendants, Marshall Abubakar, in a telephone conversation with our correspondent, confirmed that steps were being taken to drop the charges against the children this week, especially since the AGF had requested transfer of the case file.

“The government has been calling; the AGF has called. I think, most likely, by next week (this week) we will get the charges thrown out,” Abubakar said.

He also confirmed that the minors among the 119 remanded protesters were in the custody of the SARS IRT, adding that they were kept in a large hall as the purported Borstal system for juvenile detention was non-existent.

“The children were taken to IRT SARS. There is a big hall there where they are kept because there is actually no Borstal Centre.”

Matter wey AGF take so serious , una Dey here do do whataboutism they talk about imaginary national ID cards 😂.


Maybe when the charges are dropped una go ask AGF to show una national ID card Abi voters card that confirm them to be minor .

Bulaba!

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 12:49pm On Nov 03
.....if you wanna know about that fuckin Almajiri system, read the below thread.


https://x.com/Abu_Yaaseer/status/1852673913492234279?s=19

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