afrodoc2:
I remember how people used to attack Greenwood every match day for being selfish.

We are sometimes excessively harsh on some of our young players while giving the more experienced ones a pass.

The only reason Garnacho has been overplayed beyond his ability is that the senior players like 80m Antony, 80m Sancho and club poster boy Rashy who were meant to be playing have been flopping. The guy missed out on 2 years of education and slow introduction because the coach could not rely on over 200m worth of senior talent.

Garnacho did not cost ETH his job. Antony did. Mount did. Rashford (the one people were claiming was Mbappe's level) did. Bruno (aka KDB's oga) did.

The same way people are weekly calling out for Amass to start because the senior players in his position can't stay fit to save their lives.
When Salah, Palmer, and Saka start dribbling Amass now we will hear that he is not good enough and overhyped

No empathy for Ten Hag who chose to make a teenager who is not a Top level talent the focal point of his attack
Let me not even get into the part where he assembled the “not good enough” senior players in the first place
Let’s not talk about Ten Hag please

No serious club with an ounce of ambition to challenge for the major trophies will be parading the likes of Garnacho week in week out in the starting eleven. Obertan level talent with Ronaldo like ego. I'm sure Amorim is taking notes.

Our entire Frontline needs to go for better productive players.

#SurvivingGarnacho

Mrviktor:


Everything u expect from an attacking player..

Always running at his man..
Doesn't back down.
Isn't afraid to shoot .

He only lacks composure and technical ability in the box..


Greenwood did worse than this before the scandal..
At least garnacho dey pass once once.. Greenwood no send ur daddy.. he must take his shot.. we were all here..
Ronaldo.. Cavani.. Nd Co suffered in his hands.

The fans hated him too . But as soon as he left everyone started missing him..Nd dey have short-term memory all of a sudden

You have not mentioned any qualities here g
Wtf is never backs down? Never backs down from doing nonsense I suppose
He is a winger that cannot take on his man and beat him convincingly
The less said about his shooting the better, cos I don’t understand why you’d even include that here
I’m not even arguing about whether or not he has been coached badly, I am arguing that he is not even united level talent. If decision making was the only problem I had with him I’d not be criticizing him this much

maik99:


Are you talking about this thread? When I say things like that it’s a general view. Garnacho has more PR. Probably because cr7 is his idol. Greenwood was called the next “RVP”. People are calling Garnacho the next Cr7 ffs!!

Oh ok. I am not on most social media. My reference points are here and RedCafe.

maik99:


You have not mentioned any qualities here g
Wtf is never backs down? Never backs down from doing nonsense I suppose
He is a winger that cannot take on his man and beat him convincingly
The less said about his shooting the better, cos I don’t understand why you’d even include that here
I’m not even arguing about whether or not he has been coached badly, I am arguing that he is not even united level talent. If decision making was the only problem I had with him I’d not be criticizing him this much

Sancho included which of our wingers is better than him in a 1 v 1

maik99:


No empathy for Ten Hag who chose to make a teenager who is not a Top level talent the focal point of his attack
Let me not even get into the part where he assembled the “not good enough” senior players in the first place
Let’s not talk about Ten Hag please

At Garnacho's age Harry Kane was scoring 2 goals in 13 games in the Championship, Cristiano Ronaldo had 5 goals in 33 league games at Manchester United, and Didier Drogba had not yet played a single professional game in his life.

It is still unclear what Garnacho's level would be, but it is definitely still too early to rule him out.

afrodoc2:


At Garnacho's age Harry Kane was scoring 2 goals in 13 games in the Championship, Cristiano Ronaldo had 5 goals in 33 league games at Manchester United, and Didier Drogba had not yet played a single professional game in his life.

It is still unclear what Garnacho's level would be, but it is definitely still too early to rule him out.

This applies to every young football player I guess
With Garnacho the base quality is not even there
If you believe in him, fair enough

maik99:


This applies to every young football player I guess
With Garnacho the base quality is not even there
If you believe in him, fair enough

Most outstanding youth level players have base level of quality. Many do not achieve their level because of injuries, poor football education, or loss of focus not because of lack of base quality.

CR7 was so frustrating at 19-20 that Ruud wanted to beat him. One of my friends back then in 2005 wanted us to sell him and his 5 goals in 30 plus games because of his silly mistake-prone play.

Garnacho has 12 goals in 62 league games at age 20. At this same age CR7 had 12 goals in 89 games

Thank God that we didn’t sell CR7 when my friend wanted him to.

You can’t just look at a 19-20 yr old with excellent youth performances and give up on him quickly like that especially when he is playing in a messed up structureless team.

afrodoc2:


Most outstanding youth level players have base level of quality. Many do not achieve their level because of injuries, poor football education, or loss of focus not because of lack of base quality.

CR7 was so frustrating at 19-20 that Ruud wanted to beat him. One of my friends back then in 2005 wanted us to sell him and his 5 goals in 30 plus games because of his silly mistake-prone play.

Garnacho has 12 goals in 62 league games at age 20. At this same age CR7 had 12 goals in 89 games

Thank God that we didn’t sell CR7 when my friend wanted him to.

You can’t just look at a 19-20 yr old with excellent youth performances and give up on him quickly like that especially when he is playing in a messed up structureless team.

I won’t argue about what percentage of youth players have quality
What I’d say tho is we are Manchester United, and the standard must apply to our “prospects” too
In any case, Garnacho is not our academy product. He was a purchase. It’s not absurd to think that our recruitment team that has been shit for years have hit another miss

maik99:


I won’t argue about what percentage of youth players have quality
What I’d say tho is we are Manchester United, and the standard must apply to our “prospects” too
In any case, Garnacho is not our academy product. He was a purchase. It’s not absurd to think that our recruitment team that has been shit for years have hit another miss

He is our academy product. We signed him at 16 and we trained him and played him for 2 years in our academy. According to accepted official convention he is our academy product. The FA and UEFA accept he is our academy product.


P.S The Manchester United Academy ranges from Under 9s to Under-18s. He played 2 full seasons there and helped us win the FA Youth Cup.

Afrodoc2 Garnacho's poor performances has nothing to do with messed up structureless team.
It's not the structure or lack of it that is making him fail to make simple passes to teammates, or ignoring open teammates or keep making bone headed plays on almost every possession or keep losing possession or failing to convert good chances or being bad at decision making.

It’s the coaches that keep him on for 90 mins I blame.

Ellexy:
Afrodoc2 Garnacho's poor performances has nothing to do with messed up structureless team.
It's not the structure or lack of it that is making him fail to make simple passes to teammates, or ignoring open teammates or keep making bone headed plays on almost every possession or keep losing possession or failing to convert good chances or being bad at decision making.

It’s the coaches that keep him on for 90 mins I blame.

You say it is not due to a structureless team but then you blame the coaches. If training sessions are bad, and the coach can't implement his tactics, and there are no patterns of play, that is the very definition of a structureless team.

Can you name 4 players in this squad who are currently playing at the best of their abilities?

It pains me to realize that none of our forwards players can finish the way Greenwood did for Marseille’s second goal last night. In fact, I don’t see any attacker finishing like that in recent times.

Such a talent! And an idiotic guy too!!

Even our buildup play from the back is an eye sore. A player will get the ball and put boot on top like say he know wetin he dey do, only to pass it hurriedly to his teammate when pressed, who then passes it to Onana who hoofs it forward towards Hojlund, who promptly losses the ball.

Apollo causing buildup play.

TrebleChamp:
Then tell your senior players to step up so Garnacho can return to the bench, we have Trashford, Amad, Antony and we had Scamcho. If they had done well, Garnacho won't be playing this many games. He started well but has badly regressed no thanks to you know who....

The sensible thing to do yesterday was to move Rashford to the left and sub Garnacho for Amad. Rashford wasn’t at his best but he wasn’t as bad as Gwenacho.

Ruud should’ve done the right thing instead of following ETH’s blueprint.

Ellexy:
No serious club with an ounce of ambition to challenge for the major trophies will be parading the likes of Garnacho week in week out in the starting eleven. Obertan level talent with Ronaldo like ego. I'm sure Amorim is taking notes.

Our entire Frontline needs to go for better productive players.

#SurvivingGarnacho

Rumors said Amorim got the job cos he said United are just 3 players away from challenging for the title: LW, ST, and RW

afrodoc2:


You say it is not due to a structureless team but then you blame the coaches. If training sessions are bad, and the coach can't implement his tactics, and there are no patterns of play that is the very definition of a structureless team.

Can you name 4 players in this squad who are currently playing at the best of their abilities?

Decision making is what distinguishes good players from bad ones more than anything and it can’t be coached into a player.

If your teammate is open and on goal, it is common sense that will tell you to give him the ball so the team can win. If your ego and selfishness says otherwise, no amount of coaching or structure will make you yield.

This is probably why he doesn’t get minutes in the Argentinian shirt.

CR7 ego but decision making and talent level is on par with Bendtner

Leyqute:


Decision making is what distinguishes good players from bad ones more than anything and it can’t be coached into a player.

If your teammate is open and on goal, it is common sense that will tell you to give him the ball so the team can win. If your ego and selfishness says otherwise, no amount of coaching or structure will make you yield.

If you CR7 could learn to improve his decision making, then there is still hope for his protege. CR7 must have cost Ruud at least 10 goals a season with his ridiculous step overs.

afrodoc2:


You say it is not due to a structureless team but then you blame the coaches. If training sessions are bad, and the coach can't implement his tactics, and there are no patterns of play, that is the very definition of a structureless team.

Can you name 4 players in this squad who are currently playing at the best of their abilities?

The average quality of the team is below average we all agree on that. Sir Jim just said the squad is shit and the table both in the league and Europe reflects that.

It’s average players like Garnacho who has contributed to that. He has never been consistent, what is one thing that can be said he is good at? Antony was playing nonsense on the attack but was putting in a shift defensively, yet everyone rightfully condemned ETH for playing him. Is the situation any different from Garnacho's? It's not like he's even putting in the work defensively.

Any coach that keeps playing him and the fans that keep supporting his selfish display shouldn't complain when we keep dropping points on the account of his selfishness.

Leyqute:


Decision making is what distinguishes good players from bad ones more than anything and it can’t be coached into a player.

If your teammate is open and on goal, it is common sense that will tell you to give him the ball so the team can win. If your ego and selfishness says otherwise, no amount of coaching or structure will make you yield.

That's what I don't understand, did he need good structure to have made the pass to Amad, or when he could have made the same pass to Mazraoui? And other countless times...?

Leyqute:


Rumors said Amorim got the job cos he said United are just 3 players away from challenging for the title: LW, ST, and RW

I mean it's plausible. Our midfield or defence isn't the best in the league but they try. We've missed the highest number of big chances in the league this season. It's not a coincidence. If Amorim can really sort out that front line, we'll be fine.

afrodoc2:


If you CR7 could learn to improve his decision making, then there is still hope for his protege. CR7 must have cost Ruud at least 10 goals a season with his ridiculous step overs.

Unfortunately for him, United is not a top side anymore and he’ll need to mature quickly.

When CR7 was showboating, we had other players coming up with the goals. In this case no one is. If things don’t change, he and his seniors will be moved on. He’s got more grace than his seniors tho cos he’s still young.

Ellexy:
I mean it's plausible. Our midfield or defence isn't the best in the league but they try. We've missed the highest number of big chances in the league this season. It's not a coincidence. If Amorim can really sort out that front line, we'll be fine.

I remember saying our attack was going to be our biggest problem this season and got my shirt torn
Alas, factos is always factos😂
We need more than our midfield and defence “trying” , to win the league tho

Ellexy:
The average quality of the team is below average we all agree on that. Sir Jim just said the squad is shit and the table both in the league and Europe reflects that.

It’s average players like Garnacho who has contributed to that. He has never been consistent, what is one thing that can be said he is good at? Antony was playing nonsense on the attack but was putting in a shift defensively, yet everyone rightfully condemned ETH for playing him. Is the situation any different from Garnacho's? It's not like he's even putting in the work defensively.

Any coach that keeps playing him and the fans that keep supporting his selfish display shouldn't complain when we keep dropping points on the account of his selfishness.

Graduating Garnacho from impact sub to a starter was a mistake. He needs to repeat that bench class for sense to get in his head. Else he’ll just get worse and worse.

afrodoc2:
Even our buildup play from the back is an eye sore. A player will get the ball and put boot on top like say he know wetin he dey do, only to pass it hurriedly to his teammate when pressed, who then passes it to Onana who hoofs it forward towards Hojlund, who promptly losses the ball.

Apollo causing buildup play.

those bloody dutch coach and their build up play ...


have you seen slot's own too .. it's either the keeper or the dm hoof's the ball to salah ..


its a friggin eyesore

maik99:


I remember saying our attack was going to be our biggest problem this season and got my shirt torn
Alas, factos is always factos😂
We need more than our midfield and defence “trying” , to win the league tho

Yeah we do but our most pressing need currently isn't midfield or defense, it's attack.

Ellexy:
Yeah we do but our most pressing need currently isn't midfield or defense, it's attack.

I like our defence, a LB tho. Maybe recall Alvaro Carreras. Bench Dalot for Mazraoui obviously
Whether or not the midfield needs fixing depends on Ugarte

Leyqute:


Graduating Garnacho from impact sub to a starter was a mistake. He needs to repeat that bench class for sense to get in his head. Else he’ll just get worse and worse.

To keep playing him is counterproductive at the moment. They should sit his ass down or at least be the first to be yanked off instead of Rashford on match days.

afrodoc2:


Most outstanding youth level players have base level of quality. Many do not achieve their level because of injuries, poor football education, or loss of focus not because of lack of base quality.

CR7 was so frustrating at 19-20 that Ruud wanted to beat him. One of my friends back then in 2005 wanted us to sell him and his 5 goals in 30 plus games because of his silly mistake-prone play.

Garnacho has 12 goals in 62 league games at age 20. At this same age CR7 had 12 goals in 89 games

Thank God that we didn’t sell CR7 when my friend wanted him to.

You can’t just look at a 19-20 yr old with excellent youth performances and give up on him quickly like that especially when he is playing in a messed up structureless team.

Different era, different time. Young Ronaldo might not v been scoring goals but his capabilities was obvious. This guy( Gnarcho) can't even dribble or pull out decent crosses. Falling back to defend na wahala. Casemiro wud v beaten him yesterday. ldiota

Link: Casemiro tearing into Garnacho for losing the ball and not doing better. Cant blame this on club or senior players. It's still the same senior players that tracked back to stop the counter he caused.

His Argentine teammates have advised him to drop the Ronaldo gimmick and focus on his game.
But na player wey wan take correction go listen to correction. He will still pull up to the next game and do the same rubbish over and over again. At some point the club will be vindicated and the players themselves will have to be held accountable

The only person that will 100% share in the blame here is the manager that keeps giving him 90 mins every game