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Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 2:42am On Nov 08 |
Ohyoudidnt: I don't understand U. Is there a word called spirit in that verse. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 5:37am On Nov 08 |
MightySparrow: You made a claim below: MightySparrow:And I showed we how we've quoted so many things we do not believe! Stop the diversions and answer the OP! Olodo upon ten! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 5:38am On Nov 08 |
SIRTee15: Did God drink Adeboye's tea on earth or in heaven? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 5:50am On Nov 08 |
GothamCities: This is simply your interpretation that lacks explicit references from your Bible. However you really tried a little. But it still falls short of explaining the OP! You even created another set of problems by mentioning the trinity! 1. So the father had already eaten in mind before Jesus ate? 2. The father had already died in his mind before Jesus died? 3. The father had already risen before Jesus rose from the dead? 4. The father already wept before Jesus wept in John 11:35? 5. And if the three are one and one i.e. the son died how are they still one? 6. If the father and the spirit has never died nor become man, doesn't that mean Jesus is superior to them? " The father is greater than I" Jesus said! 7. Lastly you contradicted yourself in the statements in bold. In the first you wrote the father was speaking it for Jesus to act. In the latter you said the father does it in his mind then Jesus acts. This is due to your own exegesis which is not established upon any biblical fact. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:16am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:Jesus surely understands Greek language very well because in the first century the Romans were ruling Israel after the fall of Greece but before then the Greeks have colonized many countries including Israel so the official language of all those living around the Mediterranean Sea was Greek that's why the New Testament was written in Greek. Jesus a child born and raised under that colony must be able to speak the language that most people around understood just as your own child today will speak English yet you are not English! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:29am On Nov 08 |
SIRTee15: The verse doesn't say spirit but soul and I put it to you that there is no difference between the two. You claim otherwise but cannot prove it. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:32am On Nov 08 |
SIRTee15: Outside what I have restated for you of Father, son and holy spirit being coequal, one and the same? Take it that I don't know and convincingly tell me all there is to know unless you are reneging on your earlier statement. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:34am On Nov 08 |
SIRTee15: Do tell me all if you are sure there's no confusion of the understanding according to Christians |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 6:37am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: Yeah! That's why he would rather say Eli Eli than speak Greek! What your proof he understood Greek from the Bible? Eli Eli lama sabachthani is a proof of a language! Jesus was local and never communicated with external persons who do not understand his first language! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 6:39am On Nov 08 |
TenQ: I already answered those with sense! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:44am On Nov 08 |
SIRTee15: Even the Bible talks of Jesus being troubled in spirit and soul in different verses without clearly differentiating between them. John 12:27 and John 13:21 Does your Bible clearly tell you the Angels incarnated as man before procreating with women? This seems to be your exclusive explanation from the limited Bible of sirtee15. Where can I get a copy? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:45am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian: Jesus was talking to his God in that verse that is why he spoke in his mother's tongue nah but if he has to speak with Pontius Pilate a Roman Governor {John 18:33-48} he must use the lingua franca! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 6:50am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: Who told you the Roman governor doesn't understand Jesus's language? Didn't he also communicate with the commoners? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:56am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:The Roman Governor doesn't need to speak the language of those he is governing just as British governors sent to Nigeria during colonial era doesn't need to speak either Hausa, Ibo or Yorùbá before resuming office! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 7:21am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: Then a translator is employed! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:28am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:That's why literacy became part of the criteria to appoint traditional rulers when the British colonized us but centuries before the time of Jesus the Greek language has been the lingua franca commonly spoken around the Mediterranean Sea. So if you can't speak the elite's Greek language you should at least be able to speak ponia (pidgin Greek) whoever can't speak both surely have a problem because when such a person is unfairly treated nobody will get a translator for him or her! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 7:40am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: The British a hundred or two years ago is difficult from the Romans over 2000 years ago! Some people like Paul/Saul have dual names since they are registered as partly Roman! Jesus was completely local! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MightySparrow: 8:05am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian: That would be dishonesty nah. Imagine you qoute a none existing authority or paper or a thing not relevant or not credible or reliable to acquire a degree, your research would be unreliable and of no use in any place. Moreso, if in medical field or engineering, you would be a killer - reseacher. Now that you are doing taquiyya with facts, how do you mean? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MightySparrow: 8:13am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: Antichristian is doing taquiyya with words. He tries to rubbish the Bible like his mentors (Yussuf Adepọju, Adegbuwa, Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat, Shabby Ally, Mohammed Hijab...). The annoying thing is that he shows abysmal ignorance than knowledge he wants to show. In a response below, he was saying how could Jesus be saying Eli, Eli, antichristian himself is a Yoruba man and has not forgotten his own language despite English is Nigeria's official language. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:13am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:It has always been the same format when we are talking about foreigners ruling over indigins the language recognized by the rulers comes first. Paul was well educated his name is Saul but later his Christian brothers began calling him Paul. As for Jesus he is a Jew taught to speak the language that other children around him could relate with just as your own child will speak both your language and English because that will help him a lot in his career or business! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:09am On Nov 08 |
MaxInDHouse: Was Jesus also educated like Paul and Luke? Show me sir, i want to learn! My children speak English and Arabic because they attend such schools that teaches it. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:10am On Nov 08 |
MightySparrow: No need to collaborate with MAX who you don't ordinarily agree with! Comment on the OP with your shallow IQ. Stop relying on others and claim you have one Holy Spirit! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:12am On Nov 08 |
MightySparrow: See the brain of a Homo Sapiens in 2024? Chai! Idiotic to say the least! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MightySparrow: 9:38am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian: No honest answer? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by MightySparrow: 9:39am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian: No meaningful response? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:41am On Nov 08 |
MightySparrow: I would have answered a brainy individual! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:42am On Nov 08 |
MightySparrow: You have answered the OP yet! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by GothamCities: 10:10am On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:God does not operate the way you think. His way are higher than yours. Whatever is in God's mind, He does it through His Word. If you want to build a house, how do you build it? You conceive it first in your mind, then you start speaking, and actions then follow. Your bank, architects, surveyors, masons, etc all begin to act on what you have said. Is that not it? The only difference is that God's Word is a being while yours is not. The Holy Spirit acts on the Word to bring it to pass. 7. Lastly you contradicted yourself in the statements in bold. In the first you wrote the father was speaking it for Jesus to act. In the latter you said the father does it in his mind then Jesus acts. This is due to your own exegesis which is not established upon any biblical fact. There's no contradiction. You simply don't comprehend. The Word is not separate from God. The Word goes forth and performs. There's nothing like "When God speaks, then the Word will do..." God sends the Word to do what is in His mind. The Word does what is in God's mind. Jesus is the Word of God covered in fresh. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 10:38am On Nov 08 |
GothamCities:So tell us where God showed you explicitly how He operates? If you want to build a house, how do you build it? You conceive it first in your mind, then you start speaking, and actions then follow. Your bank, architects, surveyors, masons, etc all begin to act on what you have said. Is that not it? The only difference is that God's Word is a being while yours is not. The Holy Spirit acts on the Word to bring it to pass.Where did God Himself specifically mention His word as a being? Show us the proofs for all these theories from God Himself! There's no contradiction. You simply don't comprehend. The Word is not separate from God. The Word goes forth and performs. There's nothing like "When God speaks, then the Word will do..." God sends the Word to do what is in His mind. The Word does what is in God's mind. Jesus is the Word of God covered in flesh.Conceiving an action in the mind and speaking it out are two different things! But you claim it is no contradiction so why are you hiding your proofs till now? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by GothamCities: 12:09pm On Nov 08 |
AntiChristian:Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you'll immediately notice the pattern. I gave you a scripture verse yesterday. Look into it too. See these Scriptures too: When God wanted to heal, what did He do? "He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction." - Psalm 107:20 He sent His Word. God sends His Word on errands: "So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." Where did God Himself specifically mention His word as a being? Show us the proofs for all these theories from God Himself!Wrong question. Where did God specifically mention Himself as a Being? That's the first question. God never mentioned Himself as being a Being, did He? We know because of what He does. He behaves like a Being. The Word behaves like a Being too. The Spirit behaves like Being. God has never said "Hey, I'm a Being." Or "hey, My Word is a Being." The same way your father never told you he's a being. You know he's a being by your interactions with him. I know the Word is a Being by my interactions with the Word. In Christendom. We don't go by letters but by Revelation. Your eyes need to be open to see what ordinary men cannot see in the Scriptures. Revelation is the real food of the spirit. Not mere letters which you wrestle with on a daily basis. Infact, the Word itself has nothing to offer man. It's Revelation that flourishes the spirit and the soul of man, and also heals his body. If the Word is not revealed to you, you can never see anything. You'll only come online all day to create threads that will never profit your soul. But you see, by the time we got to John, 1, we have a declaration that the Word was covered with flesh and dwelt among men. Then, in the book of Revelation, John himself saw the Word: Revelation 19:12-13 "His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God." Conceiving an action in the mind and speaking it out are two different things! But you claim it is no contradiction so why are you hiding your proofs till now? You still don't get it. Once God conceives an action in His mind, the Word goes forth to make it happen. It's not that God thinks, then speaks, then the word starts doing. No. See it this way: if your children understand your body language, they'll know exactly what you want done and go do it. It's in the Father's mind which is the same as the Son's {The Word} mind, the Word just goes forth and does it. When the Word is doing it, that's the Father speaking. When the Holy Ghost is manifesting it, that's the Father at work. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 12:28pm On Nov 08 |
Ohyoudidnt: I want U to tell me what U think is trinity. because when I bring the evidence , I don't want U shifting goalpost and redefining trinity. Trust me, this debate won't go beyond a page, the rest will be U arguing against evidence. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 12:30pm On Nov 08 |
Ohyoudidnt: One and the same in what? U have debated Christians long enough. U should do better than this... |
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