Ohyoudidnt:


Mind your temper .

are appearing angry or u have become angry with me
which one

Ohyoudidnt:

A caterpillar transforms into a butterfly and is very different from a butterfly appearing as a butterfly.

sorry but cant make sense of above, I never used the word transform so dont know why u referencing it.

Ohyoudidnt:

Becoming angry is an internal emotion while appearing angry is a perception which can differ from the truth of emotion.

ok fine, lets go with your definition.
now if I took upon the emotion of anger. is that my whole emotion? dont i still have other internal emotions?
are u saying my whole emotion have changed to anger?
cant I be angry with someone and nice to another person at the same time.
can't I be evil and yet loving at the same time to different persons.
I can turn left and be very angry at a person, yet turn right next moment and be very nice to another person.
Doesn't that tell u that my personality remain the same, it hasn't changed to anger. I have only taking upon me the emotion of anger which is not my personality. My personality remain who I am which is what defines me, not whatever emotion I choose to manifest.

Ohyoudidnt:

Part of your triune god incarnated without the rest isn't it and while in its incarnation still remained same with the other parts?

Guy rest. u guys dont have what it takes to debate trinity.
abi no be basic theology terminology dey cause trouble for here.
ordinary definition of incarnation, muslims cant define. Yet their koran has example of incarnation.

If i ask u to tell me the difference btw a being and a person, another wahala go start.
The one TenQ cause, we never end am.
But how can u understand Trinity if u dont know the difference btw being and person.

Ohyoudidnt:

Keep spinning maybe the music will one day make me dance.

the only dance i want u to embrace is the gospel of christ.
That's the music I'm playing here.

TenQ:

Is it untrue then that Mary saw a Physical Jibril?

She saw a man!

SIRTee15:


Yes, if they incarnate into a real human nature. That's why the fallen angels could have sex and procreate.
They had real human nature.

Angels don't fall! Not all creation disobey the creator!

Biblical Angels can eat, bleep and do everything man does but not die! The islamic belief is that angels do not disobey Allah at all! They don't fall. They don't eat! They don't sleep! They don't have sex nor procreate!

Only Jinns do that!

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AntiChristian no go kill me

So if I appear nice, I can fake it; but if I become nice, I'm not faking it.
Is that what U saying? Does that make sense to U.

TenQ really created serious problem with that Jubril appearing as a man angle.
It's a very serious problem.

It's not serious! You're the one confused! Becoming something shows transition!
Appearance is just an outlook at a particular period of time!

Anyways I don't expect you to understand!

AntiChristian:


Only a fools calls one a liar without even understanding ones position! What does heavenly beings mean? It has no meaning in Islam. Allah is above the heavens and rose over His throne! Call angels Angels! Call God God! Call Allah Allah! And angels are stationed everywhere Allah wills them to be. Malik is the gatekeeper of hell! Is Malik an heavenly being?
If you don't understand one's position just desist from putting the lies on me! As far as I know you are the ignorant liar here!

It seem you forgot so son what you said:
You said: "We don't have heavenly beings in Islam!"
Quran 7:11
Surely We created you, then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others.


Please where is Paradise according to Islam? Is it in heaven or on earth or somewhere else?

Please, where is Bait-ul-Ma'mur? Is it on earth?

Sahih Muslim 164a
the rivers of Paradise, and as regards the two manifest ones, they are the Nile and the Euphrates. Then the Bait-ul-Ma'mur was raised up to me. I said: O Gabriel! what is this? He replied: It is the Bait-ul-Ma'mur. Seventy thousand angels enter into it daily and, after they come out, they never return again. Two vessels were then brought to me.

Is it untrue that Seventy thousand angels enter into Bait-ul-Ma'mur daily and, after they come out, they never return again. ?

Are these Angels not heavenly Beings?

Are there not SEVEN heavens according to your prophet?

AntiChristian:

Allah is All-Powerful and once again this seems to me to be a foolish question since you know Allah has power to do all things! But of what use is an angel becoming a man when man is already available in his place?

Did Allah tell you that Jibril wasnt perfectly human when he appeared to Mary or you are just cooking up what you think?
If Allah is ALL powerful, can't he make Jibril everysense a man?

AntiChristian:

Angels do not become men! Angel Jubril and Angel of death to be specific, temporary appears as men to whoever Allah wills.

They are perfect men in appearance i.e. they have all what a normal man has!

Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

AntiChristian:


She saw a man!

But the Man Mary saw was an angel!

Is this a contradiction?

SIRTee15:


exactly what we talking about here.
A boy doesnt change to a girl simply because he looks like a girl.
Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man
and God the Son didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man.

The word became flesh doesnt mean the word changed to flesh.

Do u get it now. highlighted is very fundamental in the understanding of trinity.

Fundamentally unless you want to produce new findings. Jibril and other angels appear for limited time in whichever form unlike Jesus who went through the period of pregnancy and was born.

Jesus ate, drank, slept and performed human functions but Jibril didn't and generally angels neither eat nor drink.

The word of God, his command, created light and so many things yet these are not God or are they? These are manifestation of his command. Flesh is a result of God commanding it into existence.

Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man is very correct but you and your partner appear to spin different with your misconception of appearance as a man.

SIRTee15:

are appearing angry or u have become angry with me
which one


sorry but cant make sense of above, I never used the word transform so dont know why u referencing it.


ok fine, lets go with your definition.
now if I took upon the emotion of anger. is that my whole emotion? dont i still have other internal emotions?
are u saying my whole emotion have changed to anger?
cant I be angry with someone and nice to another person at the same time.
can't I be evil and yet loving at the same time to different persons.
I can turn left and be very angry at a person, yet turn right next moment and be very nice to another person.
Doesn't that tell u that my personality remain the same, it hasn't changed to anger. I have only taking upon me the emotion of anger which is not my personality. My personality remain who I am which is what defines me, not whatever emotion I choose to manifest.


Guy rest. u guys dont have what it takes to debate trinity.
abi no be basic theology terminology dey cause trouble for here.
ordinary definition of incarnation, muslims cant define. Yet their koran has example of incarnation.

If i ask u to tell me the difference btw a being and a person, another wahala go start.
The one TenQ cause, we never end am.
But how can u understand Trinity if u dont know the difference btw being and person.




the only dance i want u to embrace is the gospel of christ.
That's the music I'm playing here.

Are emotions physical seen and able to eat, drink, sleep and others? Please do grant me this ability to physically see emotions and interact with them as I do with physical beings.

An emotion is intangible or isn't it?

Ohyoudidnt:


Fundamentally unless you want to produce new findings. Jibril and other angels appear for limited time in whichever form unlike Jesus who went through the period of pregnancy and was born.

Jesus ate, drank, slept and performed human functions but Jibril didn't and generally angels neither eat nor drink.

The word of God, his command, created light and so many things yet these are not God or are they? These are manifestation of his command. Flesh is a result of God commanding it into existence.

Jubril didnt change to a man simply because he looks like a man is very correct but you and your partner appear to spin different with your misconception of appearance as a man.




Are emotions physical seen and able to eat, drink, sleep and others? Please do grant me this ability to physically see emotions and interact with them as I do with physical beings.

An emotion is intangible or isn't it?

Islamic Angels seem to be different from the Angels known by Abraham and Moses.

Abraham will tell you that he entertained Angels with food?
Abraham served three angels a feast of bread, milk, butter, and a calf in Genesis 18:1–8



Indeed not only is
Allah different from YHWH
Isa different from Jesus
Islamic Paradise different from the Paradise of Jesus
and the Angels of Allah is different from the Angels of YHWH!

TenQ:

But the Man Mary saw was an angel!

Is this a contradiction?

An angel in the appearance of a man!

AntiChristian:

An angel in the appearance of a man!

You did NOT answer the question:

Is this a contradiction that the Man Mary saw was an angel?

TenQ:

It seem you forgot so son what you said:
You said: "We don't have heavenly beings in Islam!"
Quran 7:11
Surely We created you, then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others.


Please where is Paradise according to Islam? Is it in heaven or on earth or somewhere else?

Please, where is Bait-ul-Ma'mur? Is it on earth?

Sahih Muslim 164a
the rivers of Paradise, and as regards the two manifest ones, they are the Nile and the Euphrates. Then the Bait-ul-Ma'mur was raised up to me. I said: O Gabriel! what is this? He replied: It is the Bait-ul-Ma'mur. Seventy thousand angels enter into it daily and, after they come out, they never return again. Two vessels were then brought to me.

Is it untrue that Seventy thousand angels enter into Bait-ul-Ma'mur daily and, after they come out, they never return again. ?

Are these Angels not heavenly Beings?

Are there not SEVEN heavens according to your prophet?

I was thinking you wilk show where the word heavenly beings appear in the Qur'an or Sunnah but you just confirmed it was your holy spirit derived interpretation which is wrong! There's nothing like "heavenly beings" in Islam.

Angels are not stationed only in heaven! Some are with us protecting us, some writing our deeds, etc. Are they earthly beings since they are with us?

And I mentioned Malik the gatekeeper of hell!

Did Allah tell you that Jibril wasnt perfectly human when he appeared to Mary or you are just cooking up what you think?
If Allah is ALL powerful, can't he make Jibril everysense a man?

We talk only about what happened and what is clearly apparent! Allah can do all things! He sent Angel Jubril a d he appeared as a man to Mary to deliver Allah's message to her!


Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.[/quote]

TenQ:

You did NOT answer the question:

Is this a contradiction that the Man Mary saw was an angel?

Is that not obvious? Stop all this asinine questions!

TenQ:

Islamic Angels seem to be different from the Angels known by Abraham and Moses.

Abraham will tell you that he entertained Angels with food?
Abraham served three angels a feast of bread, milk, butter, and a calf in Genesis 18:1–8



Indeed not only is
Allah different from YHWH
Isa different from Jesus
Islamic Paradise different from the Paradise of Jesus
and the Angels of Allah is different from the Angels of YHWH!

So since you know all this why all the trouble?

Angels can eat and bleep when they come to earth. This makes Jesus and God too qualify to do same when they come to earth!

This is against the Islamic belief and doesn't even make sense!

AntiChristian:


So since you know all this why all the trouble?

Angels can eat and bleep when they come to earth. This makes Jesus and God too qualify to do same when they come to earth!

This is against the Islamic belief and doesn't even make sense!

No problem.
It just shows that it is Taqqiya to call Islam the religion of Abraham.

AntiChristian:


Is that not obvious? Stop all this asinine questions!

You are afraid to say the obvious: it isn't a contradiction,

I hope your conscience is speaking to you!

AntiChristian:
I was thinking you wilk show where the word heavenly beings appear in the Qur'an or Sunnah but you just confirmed it was your holy spirit derived interpretation which is wrong! There's nothing like "heavenly beings" in Islam.

Angels are not stationed only in heaven! Some are with us protecting us, some writing our deeds, etc. Are they earthly beings since they are with us?

And I mentioned Malik the gatekeeper of hell!

We talk only about what happened and what is clearly apparent! Allah can do all things! He sent Angel Jubril a d he appeared as a man to Mary to deliver Allah's message to her!


Good!
Please Four Questions
1. When the Jibril became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being an Angel?
2. When the WORD of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Word of Allah?
3. When the SPIRIT of Allah became appeared as Human: Did he Stop being the Spirit from Allah?

4. Do you doubt that Jesus was a spirit, word before he was born of Mary?

Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Muslims are a bunch of people who will insist that a WRONG is RIGHT even when you show them evidence from what they have said.
On this I rest my case!

Conveniently, you avoided the four questions I asked!
Ba damu'a!

SIRTee15:


BECOMING A MAN IS THE SAME THING AS APPEARING AS A MAN.
BOTH DEFINES INCARNATION.

IF I BECOME NICE, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE CHANGED TO NICE? DOES THAT MEAN MY NATURE IS NOW NICE?

IF I APPEAR DIRTY, IS NOT THE AS I BECAME DIRTY.

IF I BECOME ANGRY, IS IT NOT THE SAME THING AS APPEARING ANGRY.

MY FRIEND JUBRIL BECAME A MAN WHEN HE APPEARED TO MARY.


TenQ, thanks for bringing up that Jubril angle. Muslims are trapped in their own game.

We don't have problem with an angelic being incarnating as a man.

According to our own understanding, Angel incarnating as a man does not mean the angel will drop-by at the nearest restaurant for a hot plate of Amala. Angel incarnating as a man simply means the angel appears outwardly as a man and remain an angel in essence such that the angel does not require food, oxygen etc to function effectively.

For example: the Qur'an narrative of when 3 angels on their way to Sodom and Gomorrah visited Abraham to give glad tidings of Isaac they refused to eat the food given to them whereas they ate the food in the Biblical narrative...

For us angel appearing as a Man and becoming a man is not the same thing.

Qasim6:


We don't have problem with an angelic being incarnating as a man.

According to our own understanding, Angel incarnating as a man does not mean the angel will drop-by at the nearest restaurant for a hot plate of Amala. Angel incarnating as a man simply means the angel appear outwardly as a man and remain an angel in essence such that the angel does not require food, oxygen etc to function effectively.

For example: the Qur'an narrative of when 3 angels on their way to Sodom and Gomorrah visited Abraham to give glad tidings of Isaac they refused to eat the food given to them whereas they ate the food in the Biblical narrative...

Qasim, their bible doesn't confirm that the angels ate the food that Abraham served them.

Ohyoudidnt:


Qasim, their bible doesn't confirm that the angels ate the food that Abraham served them.

I think genesis 18:8 implies they did.

He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

Qasim6:


I think genesis 18:8 implies they did.

He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

Perhaps you are correct but we probably should ascertain that this wasn't an appearance.

The passage Genesis 18:1-8 does not conclusively demonstrate that angels consumed food in a typical manner; instead, it highlights a significant interaction between divine beings and humans through the act of hospitality.

Remember they have the interpretation that the Lord was in the presence of the two angels. We may consider the symbolic meaning when giving a hungry person food is symbolic to giving 'God' food.

Thanks for your view

Qasim6:


We don't have problem with an angelic being incarnating as a man.

According to our own understanding, Angel incarnating as a man does not mean the angel will drop-by at the nearest restaurant for a hot plate of Amala. Angel incarnating as a man simply means the angel appears outwardly as a man and remain an angel in essence such that the angel does not require food, oxygen etc to function effectively.

For example: the Qur'an narrative of when 3 angels on their way to Sodom and Gomorrah visited Abraham to give glad tidings of Isaac they refused to eat the food given to them whereas they ate the food in the Biblical narrative...

For us angel appearing as a Man and becoming a man is not the same thing.

Incarnation is incarnation- what matters is taking upon the form of another nature. In this case, taking the form of a man.
I never said the essence will change.
when I become angry, my nature doesnt change, my personality/emotion remain the same. That's why I can be angry and nice at the same time depending on the person triggering my emotion.
The angels in the Quran didn't eat but they spoke like humans, behaved like humans, walked like humans, exhibited human characteristics that made people mistake them for humans.

when Jubril visited Muhammed, zainab thought the jubril was one of muhammed's friends because he looked like him.

The difference with the incarnation of word of God is he incarnated into a real human nature.
The word of God took upon him the form of a real human and manifested through this true human nature.
The union of this 2 nature is called Jesus Christ.
That doesn't mean the word of God changed into human.

TenQ:

Muslims are a bunch of people who will insist that a WRONG is RIGHT even when you show them evidence from what they have said.
On this I rest my case!

Conveniently, you avoided the four questions I asked!
Ba damu'a!

You accused me of telling lies when you can't bring out the word "heavenly beings" from any islamic text! And you want me to answer you?

I even tried giving you a response!

TenQ:

You are afraid to say the obvious: it isn't a contradiction,

I hope your conscience is speaking to you!

What's a contradiction in this?
That's how Allah created them! To appear to humans as humans with the type of power they need to fulfil their duty!

TenQ:

No problem.
It just shows that it is Taqqiya to call Islam the religion of Abraham.

Abraham practiced strict monotheism not trinity! He never knew Jesus as God, part of God or son of God! And he was against polytheism! Allah says he's a Muslim, a "Hanif", a Muslim and he's not of those who associates god with God!

Islam is the religion of all Prophets!

Dr. ‘Umar Al-Ashqar (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“Islam, in the language of the Quran, is not the name of a specific religion; rather it is the name of the common religion to which all the Prophets called people. Hence Nuh (peace be upon him) said to his people:

{and I have been commanded to be of the Muslims.} [Yoonus 10:72 - interpretation of the meaning]

Islam is the religion which Allah enjoined on the father of the prophets, Ibrahim (peace be upon him):

{When his Lord said to him, “Submit,” he said “I have submitted [in Islam] to the Lord of the worlds”.} [Al-Baqarah 2:131 - interpretation of the meaning]

Both Ibrahim and Ya‘qub (peace be upon them) advised their sons, saying:

{“… so do not die except while you are Muslims,”} [Al-Baqarah 2:132 - interpretation of the meaning]

The sons of Ya‘qub responded to their father by saying:

{We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.} [Al-Baqarah 2:133 - interpretation of the meaning]

Musa (peace be upon him) said to his people:

{O my people, if you have believed in Allah , then rely upon Him, if you should be Muslims } [Yunus 10:84 - interpretation of the meaning].

The Disciples said to ‘Isa (peace be upon him):

{We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].} [Al `Imran 3:52 - interpretation of the meaning]

AntiChristian:


Abraham practiced strict monotheism not trinity! He never knew Jesus as God, part of God or son of God! And he was against polytheism! Allah says he's a Muslim, a "Hanif", a Muslim and he's not of those who associates god with God!

Islam is the religion of all Prophets!

Repeating the same things doesn't make it the truth.

Abraham did eat with Angels: Islamic angels cannot eat even if they wanted to.

Meaning that the Angels of Islam are different from that of Abraham

AntiChristian:


You accused me of telling lies when you can't bring out the word "heavenly beings" from any islamic text! And you want me to answer you?

I even tried giving you a response!

If angels bare not heavenly beings, they must be earthly beings!

Muslims can lie for the continent of Africa

TenQ:

If angels bare not heavenly beings, they must be earthly beings!

Muslims can lie for the continent of Africa

That's your biblical angels!

Not ours!

Those angels stationed on earth are still heavenly beings to you!

Abeg! He don do!

TenQ:

Repeating the same things doesn't make it the truth.

Abraham did eat with Angels: Islamic angels cannot eat even if they wanted to.

Meaning that the Angels of Islam are different from that of Abraham

They don't eat because they don't need nourishment to survive! They only resemble men in appearance and are not really human!

Jesus needed to grow up as well as your angels! So they needed to eat, be able to copulate as well as die like any other humans!

Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Do these angels remain in heaven serving those who will inherit salvation?

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Do these angels remain in heaven serving those who will inherit salvation?

You dey mind them? Angels are still heavenly beings to them!

I even told him about Malik the gate keeper of hell and the Angels recording our deeds beside us. He still called me a liar!

AntiChristian:


That's your biblical angels!

Not ours!

Those angels stationed on earth are still heavenly beings to you!

Abeg! He don do!

Those angels are earthly angels according to Antichristian as their permanent abode is Mecca and Medina!
SMH!

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Do these angels remain in heaven serving those who will inherit salvation?

Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion?

Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth?

TenQ:

Those angels are earthly angels according to Antichristian as their permanent abode is Mecca and Medina!
SMH!

K.