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Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 10:17am On Nov 10 |
AntiChristian:Muslims can twist words to propagate lies: who says angels needed to eat. Where did you read it as a claim by Jews or Christians? They don't eat and they can't eat are two different things! Are you saying that the perfect Jibril didn't have teeth and tongues to eat if he decides to? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 10:26am On Nov 10 |
TenQ:That's what is in your Bible! Angels can eat, procreate and fight humans and lose! They don't eat and they can't eat are two different things!In Islam they don't eat! In the Bible they can do everything a human can do even die like Jesus and maybe rise up again! Are you saying that the perfect Jibril didn't have teeth and tongues to eat if he decides to?Having tooth and tongue doesn't mean they can chew! A whale has tongue and tooth but doesn't use them in feeding! An Angel appears as a man but is not a man! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:42am On Nov 10 |
TenQ: Angels are on earth performing various functions however they are amongst the things of the unseen. You need to know is Iblis an angel or was he? The nature of Jinn is definitely not as that of angels. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 10:42am On Nov 10 |
AntiChristian:To you, Angels can EAT mean Angels need to EAT!? AntiChristian:You should say that in Islam, Angels CANNOT eat even if they are in a position to eat. AntiChristian:If in Islam angels can appear as Perfect a Perfect man, it means that in that state, whatever a man can do, they can and even more. But , what can I say Allah is limited, he is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent How much more Allah's Angels who are even more limited! Islamic Angels are not very different from the Angels known by Abraham. This distinction is enough for me! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 10:47am On Nov 10 |
Ohyoudidnt:You will notice that you refused to answer the questions presented to give your own I said: Were angels cast down to earth with Iblis according to your religion? Can you say with your full chest that angels belong to the earth? Tell me, who did Allah ask to prostrate to Adam, was it the Angels or the Jinn? Your mischievous misconception of the nature of Angels and Demons is what is causing you pains now. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 10:53am On Nov 10 |
TenQ:Yes. All creatures that feeds has a need for it! So if Angels eat, they should also be able to urinate and shit out the waste! You should say that in Islam, Angels CANNOT eat even if they are in a position to eat.Yes, eating is not embedded by Allah in their operating system. If in Islam angels can appear as Perfect a Perfect man, it means that in that state, whatever a man can do, they can and even more.Yeah, more like Jacob beating the hell out of an angel! But , what can I sayK. Now you can rest well after enough diversion from the thread! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 11:08am On Nov 10 |
TenQ: Surely you won't discern the answer. I pointed out in asking you if Iblis is an angel? Then was it immediately after the failure to bow that he was cast out? Quran 18:50 clearly identifies Iblis not bowing and the reason why he didn't bow. Do angels exist at the side of every human recording his or her deeds? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 11:10am On Nov 10 |
TenQ:Angels belong to everywhere Allah wants them to be! On earth, as a gateman of hell, in heaven, etc. Heaven is just one out of many places they can be! In Islam, Angels were never casted out from heaven! Only Iblis was casted out and he is a Jinn who stays with the Angels. Tell me, who did Allah ask to prostrate to Adam, was it the Angels or the Jinn?It's no misconception but a clear and well-defined concept of beliefs. Allah told the Angels to prostrate to Adam! And Iblis was in their company! He very well understood the command also included him bowing! He didn't respond to Allah "You didn't tell me to prostrate, you only told the Angels". Iblis understood the language better than you! You're the mischievous one here! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 12:08pm On Nov 10 |
AntiChristian:If I get you correctly, when Jibril became or appeared as a perfect man, he did not breathe, because only humans breathe. He did not speak using his mouth/tongue because angels don't speak with physical mouths. Do angels have tongues and teeths? He did not put on any dress as Angels do not put on clothings made of cotton or hides! Do angels need to put on human clothes? I remember that Jibril did not put on shoes as only humans need to put on shoes. Do angels need to put on shoes? Can you see how comical your position is!? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 12:18pm On Nov 10 |
Ohyoudidnt:All dogs were told to bark but the cat did not bark, so the cat was flogged for disobeying a direct instruction. Allah was very clear: the instruction was given to the angels to prostrate to Adam. Tell me, did the Jinn (Iblis) or the Angels tell Allah that the humans Allah wanted to create will cause mischief? Sorry, your theology is messed up. If Iblis was not an Angel, he cannot be guilty of the instruction he didn't violate. Let me ask you, Did Eve also prostrate to Adam or she wasn't created yet? Quran 2:34 And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers. Allah said: he spoke to the Angels, he did not say he spoke to the Angels and Jinn! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 12:30pm On Nov 10 |
Ohyoudidnt:Another problem with the theology of Islam. 1. Why do Angels need to record the deeds of humans when Allah is supposed to have recorded every deed in his book of destiny? 2. It seems that it is actually a fabrication to say that Allah is all-knowing when he still need his angels to record the deeds of men! Why do you think the angels are recording what Allah already knows? Are humans going to be judged by Allah or the Angels? 3. You forget that the Islamic Angels CANNOT enter into the Toilet: how would they record all the fornications and Adulteries commited in the Toilets all over the world? Just three questions! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 12:37pm On Nov 10 |
TenQ: What we are informed by Allah is that he appeared as a man and did those things he did! We do not say what is unfounded in the texts. All those spacious arguments do Angels breath will lead to do they have lungs? Are their lungs like ours? He didn't become a man! It's not comical at all to me! Can you talk about how Jacob beat the hell out of your Angel when you claim they should be better than humans? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 1:51pm On Nov 10 |
TenQ: You see your problems? There is predestination but who fulfills the destiny; predestination or the individual predestined? Unfortunately how angels record is another of the unseen things which you want to know despite being merely a created mortal human. The recording angels have a method, by Allah’s permission, to know and record a person's deeds without needing to be in every physical space a person occupies. TenQ: Again you show your stupidity. Was Iblis banished for just refusing to bow before Adam indeed there were other acts of arrogance and disobedience. Another stupid extension is Eve an angel too? Oh you are one of those that call women angels, I see your similarity with the ignorant pre-islamic Arabs. Glad you are getting to comprehend your own theological confusion. I don't know why your Bible failed to clearly identity that there exist angels other than the ones referred to in Psalm 103:20-21: Bless the Lord, you His angels, who excel in strength, who do His word, heeding the voice of His word. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:34) does not state that Iblis was an angel. Rather, the Qur'an makes it clear in other verses that Iblis was a jinn. Who are the separate heedless angels? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 4:12pm On Nov 10 |
AntiChristian:If Jibril came as a perfect man, does it not imply that he is 100% indistinguishable from any man? If Jibril came to Mary naked, would Mary not run and screen? If Jibril did not have mouth, teeth and tongues, would he be perfect? I just extended your illogicality and you are now complaining? Too bad. So, can you explain how Jibril put his mouth on Mary's Farjiha to blow into it? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 4:23pm On Nov 10 |
Ohyoudidnt:See how you exposed the illogicality in your religion again! Does Destiny need to be fulfilled? If it does, explain why your Prophet said that a BABY can be of the people of Hell Fire? Note that you didn't answer any of my three questions. Ohyoudidnt: Ohyoudidnt:See how you trap yourself. You said: Is Eve an Angel? So, you clearly recognized that the instruction of Allah was just for the Angels ALONE Therefore both Eve and Iblis are exempt as they are not angels. Ohyoudidnt:Will you apologise for saying that which you don't know about the fallen Angels? 2Pet 2:4: "For God did not spare those Angels who sinned, but instead delivered them, as if dragged down by infernal ropes, into the torments of the underworld, to be reserved unto judgment." Jud 1:6: "And truly, the Angels, who did not keep to their first place, but instead abandoned their own domiciles, he has reserved with perpetual chains under darkness, unto the great day of judgment." If Iblis and Eve were NOT angels, why was Iblis punished for doing nothing wrong? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 4:35pm On Nov 10 |
TenQ: I don't think I need to reply you any longer after this. The appeared as a perfect man. What's illogical in this? Your own angel can appear and fight Jacob yet lose! How did he lose? The Angel was sent to make give Mary the news of Jesus son of Mary and the Angel blew in to the sleeves of her garment! How did he blow you can check your favourite porn film! You can also look for how the holy spirit cum upon her plus how the power of the most high overshadowed her! On this topic bye! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 4:36pm On Nov 10 |
TenQ: My answer clearly shows how stupid and unworthy of answer your poorly thought our questions are. Why shouldn't destiny be fulfilled? Don't you claim it was Isaac that was destined for a covenant and hold on to it? Do you not also claim Jesus fulfils destiny to die for your sins? Is your Jud 1:6 not in the light of Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-17 which depict the fall of satan and his followers? I see the Bible authors were not knowledgeable enough to distinguish between angels and Jinn. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 7:26pm On Nov 10 |
AntiChristian:Repeating a lie a million times would NEVER make it the Truth. The Islamic Jibril blew into Mary's Vulva! WHat is his mouth doing on Mary's private part? Don't forget that he looks perfectly human! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by TenQ: 7:28pm On Nov 10 |
Ohyoudidnt:If a BABY would go to Hell Fire, why? Is it not because of the destiny of Allah? Islam can only fabricate lies to cover up for the illogicality of their theology |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:59am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: Can you be called a Muslim without testimony of faith "La ilaha illallaah" or can you be called a Muslim without reciting al fatiha after prayer? None of these people Moses, Adams, etc above recite al-Fatiha, none of them proclaimed their testimony of Islamic faith, so what made them Muslims? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 3:43am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: see how stupeed you sound. talking about cum as if angel Gabriel spoke to Mary in English. seeing cum everywhere. just see how u end up in kpotokpoto. If I am Muslim, I will warn u to stop disgracing islam and bringing Quran to the mud by writing on christianity here on nairaland. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 6:27am On Nov 11 |
TenQ: Show us where it is said that Gabriel's mouth was on her vulva? The Holy spirit in you is pathetic and dented! Can't the Angel blow where he wants to blow without even coming near Mary? Even from the context the Angel didn't come close to her! But as usual you'll always lie and put the lie on others! Just as the holy spirit came upon Mary while the power of the most high overshadowed her to make her pregnant! It's similar! Luke 1:35 says, "And the angel answered her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy — the Son of God'". Kindly explain how Mary's egg was fertilized after the coming of the holy spirit on her? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 7:34am On Nov 11 |
IslamVIRGINS: Fathia is not a must for salvation before Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam)! Fathia is from the Qur'an revealed to the last (Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam). You believe trinity is a must for your salvation! The man crucified with Jesus didn't believe in trinity and was allegedly saved! He didn't clap or dance in church! He doesn't even believe Jesus is God! Islam is submission to the will of Allah believing and worshipping Him alone without partners and obeying whatever He commands! That's Islam! During Moses's time, Islam is obeying and worshipping Allah alone without any partners! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 7:39am On Nov 11 |
SIRTee15: If.a man comes upon on your sister and she gets pregnant what do we say? And you all agree God can become man once on earth! Holy spirit can come upon Mary to make her pregnant! Same as Genesis 6:2. I will keep writing in fact I wrote two yesterday and more in the pipeline! You think you can derail the thread? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 7:56am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: Yeah just like holy spirit came upon Isaiah and Samson impregnated them Ode |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by SIRTee15: 8:00am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: Just like I said earlier, U don't care about Islam So if your nonsense post bring ridicule to Islam U care less. U already realised Muhammed is a false prophet n Quran is a forgery. So insulting the religion further doesn't affect u. |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:09am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: Shahada also too is not a must right? With Quran reference, show where Moses declare shahada to himself or to his people before calling him a Muslim? You are really trying to derail the thread but I won't allow you to do so before bringing Trinity into this discussions. Bible never said Trinity is the only way to salvation, Jesus never said it is when you believe in Trinity you will inherit the father's kingdom. In John 14:6 Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". The thief that was crucified with Jesus believed in him as the son of God that is why he was saved! Trinity is not the way to salvation, don't involved trinitarian here, face the problem before you, why calling them Muslims when they didn't speak Arabic? DID JESUS TOO DECLARE SHAHADA? NO. Stop fooling yourself around by calling these people Muslims, my advice to you! Before attributing salvation to your Islamic ideology, whom did allah saved in the quran, name the person with reference |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:15am On Nov 11 |
TenQ: Another one of your misguided mischief. According to authentic Islamic teachings, babies and young children who die before reaching the age of maturity are not held accountable for sins because they have not reached an age where they are capable of understanding and being responsible for their actions. Is this another one of your Hatun type lies? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:18am On Nov 11 |
IslamVIRGINS: Did Moses believe in multiple Gods/gods? What does Shahada mean to you? In the Torah Moses came down with isn't it stated you don't worship another or any other God along with God? |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:20am On Nov 11 |
AntiChristian: Don t mind them. Just as the antichrist will come and look like the Christ and they will believe he is the Christ. Also pretending to be the God they worship. TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:50am On Nov 11 |
Ohyoudidnt: I am expecting you to answer the questions involved! With Quran reference, show where Moses declare shahada to himself or to his people before calling him a Muslim? Before attributing salvation to your Islamic ideology, whom did allah saved in the quran, name the person with reference WHO ARE THE MULTIPLE gods or Gods you're talking about? Does this your statement make sense to you? isn't it stated you don't worship another or any other God along with God? Any other God along with God! |
Re: The Implication Of Extreme Exaggeration in the Book of John! by AntiChristian: 9:28am On Nov 11 |
IslamVIRGINS:What is the Shahadah? The Shahadah is not to worship anyone but Allah and to follow the Prophet! This is what i said before! Every Prophet called to Allah and following them as Prophets! Stop the falsehood, the thief didn't know Trinity Just as Jesus does not know what Christianity is! Even Moses does not know Judaism! |
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