mbaise1000:

You claim to be intelligent but can't answer a simple question?

Newton2024:

Isaiah 45:7 says, "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things".

Some people interpret this verse to mean that God created evil, but this interpretation is mistaken. The context of this passage is about blessing those who are faithful and punishing those who disobey. In this context, God is responsible for bringing prosperity to those who are faithful and calamity to those who rebel. 

Isaiah 45:5-7 is a text that can be comforting and disturbing. It makes clear that there is no other God, and that the Lord is the divine power in the life of Israel and the world.

Jesus did not directly claim that the Old Testament was faulty, but the Bible does discuss the Old Covenant and its shortcomings in several passages, including Hebrews 8:7–13, Romans 7:4, and Hebrews 8:6:
Hebrews 8:7–13
This passage uses a quotation from the prophet Jeremiah to support the claim that God intended to replace the Old Covenant with a new covenant. The quotation says that the Old Covenant was flawed and that God promised something better because it wasn't perfect.
Romans 7:4
This passage discusses the power to overcome sin and "bear fruit for God". It says that the Law could never give us this power.
Hebrews 8:6
This passage says that the New Covenant is "a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises".

The New Covenant has several promises, including God's law written on the heart, forgiveness of sins, and a direct relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

the New Testament teaches that people are under grace, not under the law, and that sin should not have dominion over them:
Romans 6:14: "For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace"
Hebrews 7:22: The Old Covenant has been replaced by "a better covenant"
Ephesians 2:8–9: Under the New Covenant, people can receive salvation as a free gift
The New Testament teaches that people are no longer slaves to sin and are instead under grace, which is God's favor and mercy:
Romans 6: Paul explains that people should not continue to sin because they are no longer slaves to sin
Galatians 2:16: People are justified by faith in Jesus Christ, not by the works of the law
The New Testament also teaches that people should exercise faith in Christ and offer themselves as instruments of righteousness:
Romans 6
People should offer themselves as instruments of righteousness instead of offering their bodies to be used for sin
Hebrews 9:15
People enjoy a permanent, unbroken relationship with God through the Holy Spirit

AntiChristian:
This your explanation is comforting but how does it explain Job, his trial and calamity? He lost children and wealth! Though wealth can be replaced but not the children... Who created his calamity? Job 1:1 says Job was righteous but he was sent calamity! You claim that the calamity is only for those who rebel! Did Job rebel? Even Jesus was sent calamity, did he rebel? Even John was beheaded did he rebel?  

I already knew Jesus didn't say anything about Grace but Paul and others! The grace ideology was created after Jesus! Stop saying "the Bible says" mention the person talking in the Bible! Romans is ascribed to Paul. Hebrews -author unknown but also ascribed to Paul.

Yeah, it promises all what Jesus forgot to promise himself!


Lovely, all your quotes are from Paul's letters! So Jesus forgot this much?
So what's Jesus mission on earth if you couldn't finish his message?

Newton2024:
The God Jesus didn't forget anything but commissioned His apostles to continue the work and do much more.

In the Bible, John 14:12 says, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father".

AntiChristian:


He didn't forget anything but didn't talk about grace! You couldn't even explain the calamity God created and how it affected Job and his family?

Where are the Greater works?

Newton2024:
The greater works are the souls won for Christ, miracles performed, sermons preachef, etc.

Jesus is God's grace to mankind. He is grace personified.

Jesus is an example of grace in action in the Bible, and many other Bible verses discuss grace:
John 1:14
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth"
John 1:17
"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"
2 Corinthians 12:9
"My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness"
John 4:1-42
Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman at the well demonstrates how to see others through eyes of grace

In the Bible, God allowed calamity to befall Job to test Job's love for God and bring about a greater good. God was impressed by Job's faithfulness, which was demonstrated by Job's love for God and others, and his offering of sacrifices for his children's sins.
Here are some other reasons why God allowed calamity to befall Job:
God wanted to draw Job closer
God never abandoned Job during his ordeal, but instead drew him closer.
God wanted to show that suffering is a part of the experience of godly people
Suffering is a means for sanctification, and a blessing that teaches us that God's ways and purposes are greater than we can know.
God wanted to show that God's governance of the universe is wonderful
Job eventually saw that God's governance was much more wonderful than he could have imagined.
God wanted to reward Job for his obedience
Job was rewarded with a twofold inheritance after he obeyed God and interceded on behalf of his friends.

Above all, a natural can not completely understand God. And also, God is unquestionable.

Gandrova:
You father is not intelligent

AntiChristian:


I am still looking for where Jesus himself did talked about grace! And you still refused to admit your blunder about the calamity God created in Isaiah 45:7 as it relates to Job and his kids?

All you keep quoting is Paul or someone else apart from Jesus!

Did Jesus forgot to talk about grace? Did he preach grace to the rich ruler or works? Where did Jesus himself tell anyone to believe he would die for him to be saved?

Newton2024:
Why are you not satisfied with my answers?

2 Corinthians 12:9: Jesus says to Paul, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”

Jesus is described as being full of grace in the Bible in John 1:14, which says, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth".
Here are some other Bible verses that mention grace:
Titus 2:11-14: Describes Jesus as coming from the Father, full of grace and truth
1 Corinthians 15:10: Paul describes his conversion as a free and undeserved gift from God
Ephesians 2:8: Says that people are saved by grace
Romans 5:20–21: Says that grace abounded more than sin increased
Romans 6:14: Says that people are not under law but under grace, so sin will have no dominion over them
1 Peter 5:10: Says that God will restore and make people strong after they have suffered a little while
2 Thessalonians 2:16-17: Says that God gave people eternal encouragement and good hope by his grace

The word "grace" has many different meanings, including "unmerited favor" or "getting what you don't deserve". It can also be defined as a quality in God that produces free gifts for sinners in salvation.

Isaiah 45:7 is about God's sovereignty over all things, including good and bad, and how he creates both prosperity and calamity. This is relevant to Job because in the Bible, God speaks to Job out of a storm and questions him about his plans.

Isaiah 45:7
Meaning
God is responsible for all things, including creating light and darkness, and making peace and evil.

Context
God blesses those who are faithful and punishes those who disobey.

Relevance to Job
God's sovereignty over all things is a cause for hope, and he promises to craft experiences for our ultimate benefit.

Above all, God is unquestionable. Kabio'osi ni Olodumare. He knows more than us.

AntiChristian:


I'm unsatisfied because you always quote Paul in almost all cases! Did Jesus forgot to preach grace? Show us the grace Jesus preached to the rich ruler? What is the gospel Jesus preached while on earth?

Let Jesus himself speak not Paul's letters!

And do you agree God killed Job's children while testing righteous Job?

So if you're righteous God can still kill your family to test you!

So God does not bless those who are faithful as you said earlier. Job was faithful. Yet he suffered!

Assuming Jesus too was tempted with the death of his mother and disciples you think he won't run away?

Newton2024:
You need to give your life to Christ. He died for you.

AntiChristian:


Show me where Jesus told anyone to believe he will die for him to be saved?

Newton2024:
Are you say you believe only in the words of Jesus?

AntiChristian:


Jesus sef no get words!

Newton2024:
What do you mean by this? Jesus loves you.

AntiChristian:


Jesus doesn't know you nor me!

Newton2024:
He is your Creator. He knows the number of hairs on your head. Accept him today brother. He loves you.

AntiChristian:


My creator is Allah, the creator of Jesus and all that exists!

Jesus was even asked the hour and he said:

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

I remember Jesus was carried by his Parents running away from the evil king!

Newton2024:
But Allah has no son. So Jesus was referring to Yahweh, God the Father.

AntiChristian:


So?

How did the father born Jesus?

a. Sexual reproduction!

b. Asexual reproduction!

c. Metaphorical birth!

d. Others ..............................

AntiChristian:


So?

How did the father born Jesus?

a. Sexual reproduction!

b. Asexual reproduction!

c. Metaphorical birth!

d. Others ..............................

Newton2024:

"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" is a verse from the Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:18:

Newton2024:


"The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14:

Jesus is the incarnation of God's word. He was conceived through the Holy Spirit.

Common sense or logic is not enough to understand Him. You need the Holy Spirit to give you understanding.

My prayer is that Jesus will reveal himself to you.

AntiChristian:


Na Paul talk that one after Jesus don conot earth! Paul never met Jesus so how did he got his message about Jesus?

So?

How did the father born Jesus?

a. Sexual reproduction!

b. Asexual reproduction!

c. Metaphorical birth!

d. Others ..............................

AntiChristian:


There are three ways of reproduction:

So?

How did the father born Jesus?

a. Sexual reproduction!

b. Asexual reproduction!

c. Metaphorical birth!

d. Creation

Who told you Jesus is the word? Show me one verse where Jesus himself call himself the word (logos)?

It must John or Paul or others that will say it on his behalf!

Your holy spirit know who to confuse! I seek refuge from such spirits!

Newton2024:


2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God.''

Newton2024:



2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God.

How did you know Paul never met Jesus? They lived at the same time.

AntiChristian:


Show us where and how they met?

Newton2024:
Not everything was recorded. John 21:25 says, "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen".

AntiChristian:


So how are you sure Jesus met Paul?

Newton2024:
Did I say Jesus met Paul? We can't really say whether they met or not though they lived in the same era. However, the word of God is pure and holy.

AntiChristian:


Is the Bible the word of God?