ddippset:
Affidavits are not based on emotion or perception either!

Lie on OATH and do time behind bars.

Simple..


The 27 have sworn to affidavits about their defection.

I don't know why you guys love to mischievously pretend you don't know that they swore to affidavits that they defected.

It's only 2 options,,,

Keep your seats or go to prison..

Thats a different matter. Like i said the problem with Nigerians is we conflate issues.

Swearing an affidavit that proves to be false is a crime. you will face the punishment for lying under oath. But that does not make you a member of APC.

We all know what went on here they stooopidly joined APC without thinking, i said it here at the time it was a fooolish move. Court and the law is about what you can prove. As far as proving membership, affidavit is meaningless, unless it is an affidavit from APC. For so long as APC say they are not members and they dont ecist on their party register and have no membership cards, the only thing the afiidavit will prove is that they lied under oath.

The problem with the affidavit is that it was quietly withdrawn and i assume all records extinguished. So unless you have the original or a certified true copy of the affidavit (for which you need the original) you cant prove that either.

The problem is you lose focus and objectivity when you approach issues emotionally. I have no skin in the game so i can be objective. APC membership is dead on arrival even if the affidavit can be produced. The idea of proving defection is DOA. trust me forget that one!

If the affidavit can be produced it does not prove defection, all it it proves is lying under oath. the punishment is 7-14 years. The question is do you have the original or certified true copy of the affidavit? I would be shocked if the people that quietly withdrew the affidavit knowing the implications of the affidavit have not erased evidence of its existence?

Hahahaha. I am sure many OBIdunce will be happy with this news. If the election is conducted tomorrow, I can bet you that Fubara will lose woefully. Do you think the state elections will be conducted by state electoral commission that awarded victory to Fubara's new party? The same way Fubara won and had his way with LGA election is Wike will have his way and I can bet you that will be the end of Fubara for real. Go and ask Obaseki and people of Kogi and Ondo. Many will come here to cry after the ship might have bolted

robosky02:



https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/25/rivers-crisis-conduct-election-to-replace-sacked-pro-wike-lawmakers-damagun-to-inec/

INEC is a partial electoral arbiter.

casualobserver:


Thats a different matter. Like i said the problem with Nigerians is we conflate issues.

Swearing an affidavit that proves to be false is a crime. you will face the punishment for lying under oath. But that does not make you a member of APC.

We all know what went on here. Court and the law is about what you can prove. As far as proving membership, affidavit is meaningless, unless it is an affidavit from APC. For so long as APC say they are not members and they dont ecist on their party register and have no membership cards, the only thing the afiidavit will prove is that they lied under oath.

The problem with the affidavit is that it was quietly withdrawn and i assume all records extinguished. So unless you have the original or a certified true copy of the affidavit (for which you need the original) you cant prove that either.

1. That is where everyone is missing the point.
The import from the constitution is that you automatically lose your seat as soon as you leave the party that sponsored you to the assembly,,
Not that you must have defected to another party.
If you like leave your party and remain in your parlour, you lose your seat.
So the point here is NOT NOT NOT to prove that they are members of APC but to prove that they left PDP.

2. Proving that a person has left his political party that gave him the platform to go to an assembly is done verbally. Their video submissions and their declaration on the hallowed chambers of the Rivers Assembly during their legal and constitutional sitting is more than enough to nail them, except of course the judge is biased.
You ought to know that any action taken at the house under the hitting of the gavel is law and evidential.

3. Like I said; whether they joined APC is immaterial, what matters is that they left PDP.

4. And for their sworn affidavits, everything is contained in the CTC of the judgement delivered by James Omotosho Justice and it is available to all parties.
How you think the court can deny receiving their affidavit is hilarious, funnier that Basket mouth jokes!

Lol.

ddippset:
1. That is where everyone is missing the point.
The import from the constitution is that you automatically lose your seat as soon as you leave the party that sponsored you to the assembly,,
Not that you must have defected to another party.
If you like leave your party and remain in your parlour, you lose your seat.
So the point here is NOT NOT NOT to prove that they are members of APC but to prove that they left PDP.

2. Proving that a person has left his political party that gave him the platform to go to an assembly is done verbally. Their video submissions and their declaration on the hallowed chambers of the Rivers Assembly during their legal and constitutional sitting is more than enough to nail them, except of course the judge is biased.
You ought to know that any action taken at the house under the hitting of the gavel is law and evidential.

3. Like I said; whether they joined APC is immaterial, what matters is that they left PDP.

4. And for their sworn affidavits, everything is contained in the CTC of the judgement delivered by James Omotosho Justice and it is available to all parties.
How you think the court can deny receiving their affidavit is hilarious, funnier that Basket mouth jokes!

Lol.

There is no prove that they left the party. Video or verbal evidence are immaterial. What is needed is documentary evidence which is lacking.

ddippset:
1. That is where everyone is missing the point.
The import from the constitution is that you automatically lose your seat as soon as you leave the party that sponsored you to the assembly,,
Not that you must have defected to another party.
If you like leave your party and remain in your parlour, you lose your seat.
So the point here is NOT NOT NOT to prove that they are members of APC but to prove that they left PDP.

2. Proving that a person has left his political party that gave him the platform to go to an assembly is done verbally. Their video submissions and their declaration on the hallowed chambers of the Rivers Assembly during their legal and constitutional sitting is more than enough to nail them, except of course the judge is biased.
You ought to know that any action taken at the house under the hitting of the gavel is law and evidential.

3. Like I said; whether they joined APC is immaterial, what matters is that they left PDP.

4. And for their sworn affidavits, everything is contained in the CTC of the judgement delivered by James Omotosho Justice and it is available to all parties.
How you think the court can deny receiving their affidavit is hilarious, funnier that Basket mouth jokes!

Lol.

the same Omotosho who ruled that Fubara must represent the budget to the 27 lawmakers?

Look Oga i am not going to argue with you anymore, I have no skin in the game and not that concerned with the nonsense in Rivers state to go deep. All i am saying is by law, 100% guaranteed proving Defection is DOA even if the affidavit exists.

Get this into your skull, the only thing you can prove is lying under oath and for that you need the original or certified true copy of the affidavit. I dont know if the original copies of the affidavit exist, the story is they were withdrawn. Whether they left traces or they have covered their tracks, i dont know and I cannot speak to that.

Forget this idea of proving defection, it is dead on arrival!!! They are members of PDP, there is no record of resignation from PDP, there is no record of membership of APC.

i am giving you the technical and legal argument, you are coming back with emotional this is the way it should be argument. i am not here for that. i am not here to debate whether a man stole your property or not, My take is do you have the evidence to prove it in court?

We all know what happenned, but we are not the judges, the law courts are not courts of public opinion that is why my opinion or your does not matter!! Judges are interested in the law and what you can present as legal evidence and what you can prove......why do Nigerians have a problem making this distinction?

Another Drama .

ddippset:
With the extent this feud went ,, if you think Wike can forgive Fubara or that Fubara can trust Wike and make any gentleman agreement with him then you're so naive.

What I see playing out here is that Wike has seen that the case of his 27 lawmakers is hopeless, it's a lost cause.

So their only option is to allow INEC to conduct fresh elections.
This one is INEC not RISIEC.

All the 27 lawmakers will contest and INEC will deliver them.

Even if they go to tribunal and Appeal Court they will cover those places.

No be Appeal Court for Abuja again?

He might have received serious assurances from the powers that be in Abuja.

Assembly cases don't get to the Supreme Court.

Never rule out anything in politics......it's still not too late for fubara to strike a deal with Wike but the issue of defection and loss of seats by the 27 has been over flogged already.....conducting re run elections will be too bloody as the stakes are too high for any of them to loose.....it will cause serious crises in that state.

Akpakomiza2:


There is no prove that they left the party. Video or verbal evidence are immaterial. What is needed is documentary evidence which is lacking.

I heard they swore affidavit. If that happens...is a strong document in law.

wealthyprince:


I heard they swore affidavit. If that happens...is a strong document in law.

In a criminal case not in constitutional cases

blackmantis:
A game of chess.
Fubara sidestepped PDP in the LG polls. His opposition will capitalize on that saying Fubara hates PDP and sponsor the next PDP lawmakers in the election.

All those LG chairmen will go back to Pdp as long as the Governor has the structure

Ikumapkayi:


Dey deceive yourself. The Fubara boy no dey talk again as him don see the handwriting on the wall. He would eventually be impeached

Wake up from your dreams

casualobserver:


the same Omotosho who ruled that Fubara must represent the budget to the 27 lawmakers?

Look Oga i am not going to argue with you anymore, I have no skin in the game and not that concerned with the nonsense in Rivers state to go deep. All i am saying is by law, 100% guaranteed proving Defection is DOA even if the affidavit exists.

Get this into your skull, the only thing you can prove is lying under oath and for that you need the original or certified true copy of the affidavit. I dont know if the original copies of the affidavit exist, the story is they were withdrawn. Whether they left traces or they have covered their tracks, i dont know and I cannot speak to that.

Forget this idea of proving defection, it is dead on arrival!!! They are members of PDP, there is no record of resignation from PDP, there is no record of membership of APC.

i am giving you the technical and legal argument, you are coming back with emotional this is the way it should be argument. i am not here for that. i am not here to debate whether a man stole your property or not, My take is do you have the evidence to prove it in court?

We all know what happenned, but we are not the judges, the law courts are not courts of public opinion that is why my opinion or your does not matter!! Judges are interested in the law and what you can present as legal evidence and what you can prove......why do Nigerians have a problem making this distinction?

See this one!

Telling yourself what you want to believe..

Stop twisting this shit...

Proving this defection would only be rocker science in the courtroom of a compromised judge, and there are very many of them in the FCT.

If you like keep pretending to be dyslexic,,
These 27 announced their defection during plenary on the floor of the Rivers State house of Assembly not at a beer parlour or motor park. That is evidence enough.

They are are video announcing their defection, video evidence is very credible evidence all I er the world.

You are the one who's being utterly sentimental here.

As for the affidavit, you must not be in position of the originals.

Even if you have only a duplicate copy of the affidavit, it is still acceptable to the Court..

Then the court registrar might be subpoenaed to give evidence.


For the umpteenth time, the lawyers do not have to prove that the 27 have decamped to APC.

They only have to prove that THEY LEFT PDP.

Learn what you don't know Mister!

Akpakomiza2:


There is no prove that they left the party. Video or verbal evidence are immaterial. What is needed is documentary evidence which is lacking.

All of a sudden Video evidence becomes immaterial..

Something that have been a very vital aspect of court proceedings for decades all across the world.

Make una continue...

ddippset:
See this one!

Telling yourself what you want to believe..

Stop twisting this shit...

Proving this defection would only be rocker science in the courtroom of a compromised judge, and there are very many of them in the FCT.

If you like keep pretending to be dyslexic,,
These 27 announced their defection during plenary on the floor of the Rivers State house of Assembly not at a beer parlour or motor park. That is evidence enough.

They are are video announcing their defection, video evidence is very credible evidence all I er the world.

You are the one who's being utterly sentimental here.

As for the affidavit, you must not be in position of the originals.

Even if you have only a duplicate copy of the affidavit, it is still acceptable to the Court..

Then the court registrar might be subpoenaed to give evidence.


For the umpteenth time, the lawyers do not have to prove that the 27 have decamped to APC.

They only have to prove that THEY LEFT PDP.

Learn what you don't know Mister!

the is the problem when people are half educated, they aregue like market women and area boys. no surprise you produce the kind of governors you do.

good night, i am done here

Nobody decamps from a political party and goes back there to submit resignation letter.

Who has ever done that??

😁



Nobody cares if they defected to APC or KoWA or whatever they defected to Panya Equatorial Guinea.

All that matters is that they left PDP.

Damagum is deceiving himself & he knows it.

casualobserver:


the is the problem when people are half educated, they aregue like market women and area boys. no surprise you produce the kind of governors you do.

good night, i am done here

Goodnight,,,

Rest well in your folly.

ddippset:
With the extent this feud went ,, if you think Wike can forgive Fubara or that Fubara can trust Wike and make any gentleman agreement with him then you're so naive.

What I see playing out here is that Wike has seen that the case of his 27 lawmakers is hopeless, it's a lost cause.

So their only option is to allow INEC to conduct fresh elections.
This one is INEC not RISIEC.

All the 27 lawmakers will contest and INEC will deliver them.

Even if they go to tribunal and Appeal Court they will cover those places.

No be Appeal Court for Abuja again?

He might have received serious assurances from the powers that be in Abuja.

Assembly cases don't get to the Supreme Court.

This sounds more possible

fergie001:
Damagum is deceiving himself & he knows it.

Damagum and Wike are never to be trusted

fergie001:
Damagum is deceiving himself & he knows it.

Gist me the koko jare sure man

tundegan:
Wike is a man of integrity. I trust he will do what is right for the people of FCT.

will the election take place in the FCT?

casualobserver:
it has already been determined by a court judgement that they did not defect since their names are not present in the APC list of members. Furthermore the same PDP confirmed in writing to the court that the 27 are members of PDP.

I swear this PDP is a cursed party

, Any court judgement that didn't emanate from the supreme Court can be set aside via appeal.

computer0810:
Saraki as Senate president defected to PDP from APC, tambuwal did same as speaker....alot of lawmakers defect from 1 party to another so why should INEC conduct election for defected rivers lawmakers

people have been stealing government funds so why should EFCC arrest someone for also stealing government 's funds!

casualobserver:


Thats a different matter. Like i said the problem with Nigerians is we conflate issues.

Swearing an affidavit that proves to be false is a crime. you will face the punishment for lying under oath. But that does not make you a member of APC.

We all know what went on here they stooopidly joined APC without thinking, i said it here at the time it was a fooolish move. Court and the law is about what you can prove. As far as proving membership, affidavit is meaningless, unless it is an affidavit from APC. For so long as APC say they are not members and they dont ecist on their party register and have no membership cards, the only thing the afiidavit will prove is that they lied under oath.

The problem with the affidavit is that it was quietly withdrawn and i assume all records extinguished. So unless you have the original or a certified true copy of the affidavit (for which you need the original) you cant prove that either.

The problem is you lose focus and objectivity when you approach issues emotionally. I have no skin in the game so i can be objective. APC membership is dead on arrival even if the affidavit can be produced. The idea of proving defection is DOA. trust me forget that one!

If the affidavit can be produced it does not prove defection, all it it proves is lying under oath. the punishment is 7-14 years. The question is do you have the original or certified true copy of the affidavit? I would be shocked if the people that quietly withdrew the affidavit knowing the implications of the affidavit have not erased evidence of its existence?

so if they have benefitted from a court judgement on the basis of the same affidavit it's also dead on arrival?
What a joke

ddippset:
All of a sudden Video evidence becomes immaterial..

Something that have been a very vital aspect of court proceedings for decades all across the world.

Make una continue...

What did the court say about videos obi and atiku presented? In constitutional matters, documentary evidence hold sway. Defections and party matters are documentary matters

computer0810:
Saraki as Senate president defected to PDP from APC, tambuwal did same as speaker....alot of lawmakers defect from 1 party to another so why should INEC conduct election for defected rivers lawmakers

Go to court oga

Sundaymessi:
so if they have benefitted from a court judgement on the basis of the same affidavit it's also dead on arrival?
What a joke

This is why we say you people are poorly educated. How did they benefit from an affidavit that was withdrawn? It was withdrawn means it was never considered as evidence or formed the basis of judgement. If evidence or a submission is withdrawn by a party to the litigation or struck out by the judge, it means its existence is no longer recognized by the court. A court only considers what it recognizes. This is why you see litigants presenting boxes of evidence even if they have no plans to rely on it and listing the witnesses before a hearing begins. Once the hearing begins you can’t rely on what is not presented or what has been withdrawn or struck out. This is also what happened in the supreme court case against Tinubu where they went on a fishing expedition to America and they were told they could not bring in new matters that were not part of the case at the PEPT. You don’t have to be a lawyer to know this. This are things you should know by virtue of being an educated person.


This is why we say resist the temptation to comment on subjects you don’t understand.

Who sacked them? Confused man and his party.

Let's see how the politics plays out.
It's all a game by the 2 contenders

Macphenson:
Why do I feel Wike is behind this hypocritical statement from Damagun?
Fubara should not be swayed by this deceitful and hypocritical statement

Fubara na wise man. If there would ever be any bye elections sef he would still sponsor his own PDP men under the umbrella of APP and btw, I think Damagum is trying to save his own ass by trying to realigning let just wait for this mumu reaction in AbJ