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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by evictor305: 9:51am On Nov 29
What happened to our technical colleges and polytechnics?
BlessedGift:
Adams Aliyu Oshiomhole as called for Artisans saying enough of University Graduates Seeking Public Sector jobs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFFcC-GyII

Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by lexy2014: 9:51am On Nov 29
ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.


how many of his children are bricklayers and iron benders?

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by obailala(m): 9:51am On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

So you've looked around you didn't see bricklayer and ironbender in your environment.
Now contrast with if you've ever come across a lathe machine design specialist in Nigeria
Nigeria's economy is dead, so your analogy is rather invalid. But that being said, the keypoint I tried to raise is that in that industrialised nation, for every 1 lathe machine design specialist, there are 1000 fitters/machinists.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Eraddray(m): 9:53am On Nov 29
Sheybi he has children...
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Edojoma(m): 9:54am On Nov 29
It is profitable to keep quiet most times about things u really don't understand than to display ur ignorance and dance naked in the market. If he really knows how true educational system is suppose to be, he wouldn't av displayed this level of ignorance. With this, we now why dey appoint dumbass niggas into important positions. I won't be surprise if he appoints a bricklayer as a project manager in construction firm.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 9:54am On Nov 29
BlessedGift:
I think University education should be more of practical than western theory system
like, bankers should be able to construct safe for money?
Or lawyers should be able to sew their own clothes?!. What do you mean by being more practical?. Vocational work abi?. Bro, na 19 century artisans dey pay country. Chinese sef nor wan do artisan work again.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 9:55am On Nov 29
mandax:


You need university graduates to industrialise, not artisan.

Why do you people teach hersey?

Lol.

People like Zuckerberg, Stanford, Rupert, Job, Branson, Gates, Madura and hundreds of other billionaire industrialists that don't have university degrees already prove that you are the one who teaches hearsay.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Softmirror: 9:56am On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

Ignorance pro max
So it's bricklaying that will produce semiconductors and industrial machinery?

I'm amazed at the iq of Nigerians really

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So you took his words literally. Now I understand your level of IQ. 🤥

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 9:57am On Nov 29
Softmirror:


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So you took his words literally. Now I understand your level of IQ. 🤥
You mean he was joking?
My apologies
I never knew the senate chamber is a comedy event centre

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by africanusvu(m): 9:57am On Nov 29
Though a very bitter truth, we have been producing numerous unemployable graduates recently in this nation, engineers who can't loosen a nut, Doctors who can't even give first aid, lawyers who turned to cab drivers etc

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by omoadeleye(m): 9:58am On Nov 29
madridguy:
How many technical college/school you build as a governor or as a senator Pa Adams?




You are never ready to make Nigeria better or to make the life of you and your young ones better, if you are still waiting for government to build vocational schools for you before you can know how to be a bricklayer or iron bender.

When you can run the level under apprenticeship
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Ashirioluwa: 9:58am On Nov 29
Our government and others need to start to invest in technical schools. Also, apprenticeship programs will help.

Anywhere you travel overseas, the people that make the most money are the carpenters, welders, mechanics, hairdressers, panel beaters (autobody mechanics), bricklayers, and other professions.

But these professions are overlooked by us in Nigeria because of society's stigma. No one wants his child to be a mechanic or bricklayer.

In developed nations, they have apprenticeship programs all over where youth can have firsthand knowledge of any of these professions.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by CodeTemplarr: 9:59am On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

Snap a pic of yourself mixing cement pls

In the world of AI, automation and control, we're looking for more iron benders and bricklayers

Who do Africa like this?
The way Oshiomole phrased his idea is the issue here. We need more iron-bending and brick-laying graduates. The knowledge in university and polytechnics is suppose to end up helping to get the real job done faster and better. There are 3D printer for houses and structures that are fast evolving. Thats exactly like laying bricks but in an advanced form.
He spoke in principle. We need more of hands on apprach to our problem.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by obailala(m): 10:01am On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

It's still engineers that will design and build machines for mass production
Bricklayers or iron benders don't do mass production. Your idea is like comparing a subsistence farmer with hoe and cutlass with an agric engineer who uses tractors and other machinery. Why are we unable to feed ourselves when agriculture is our largest employer of labour? The answer is that there are so many Bricklayer level farmers and so few agric technologist.
Oshiomole just mouthed nonsense and I'm shocked any youth will agree with him
Lol... you think if Nigeria was an industrialised nation with a functioning economy, a university trained agric engineer will be the one mounting a tractor to harvest maize in a farm?

In industrialised nations, you really think its university trained engineers who work in 12 hour shifts, standing in manufacturing assembly lines to mass produce and package equipment, machines and other products?

Lol... You're actually a victim of Nigeria's failed economy, that's why you can't differentiate the roles of an engineer from a technician.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:03am On Nov 29
obailala:
Nigeria's economy is dead, so your analogy is rather invalid. But that being said, the keypoint I tried to raise is that in that industrialised nation, for every 1 lathe machine design specialist, there are 1000 fitters/machinists.
It's a simple question
What are we lacking in Nigeria? Technicians or engineers?
You can come out of your house and you'll see mukaila doing iron bending. Can you walk throughout your street and get a C++ programmer? ?
That's what will tell you what skills are lacking in Nigeria. In my area here, we have 14,15 years old who are already coupling engines and routing electrical systems.
But how many people can design electrical system for a car in Nigeria?

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Treasure17(m): 10:04am On Nov 29
Shey e gboro lenu werey.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by skywalker240(m): 10:04am On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

No no
Just send me pic now.
I'll like to recommend you to someone who does welding
What inch of iron rod do you use for burglary proof
What about rod for plinths? What inches do you use?
What's the name of the liquid used to remove scrap paint before you start the bodywork and what is used to full the body after scraping
Over here in Benin City, we use iron pipes for burglaries, 5inch pipes

For plinths, we use rods

We use body filler's AKA cufill polyesters

And then we use putty's to fill dents

During treatment, we use alcohols and slow thinners and for heavy treatment we use hard thinners

What else? smiley

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by skywalker240(m): 10:05am On Nov 29
obailala:

Lol... you think if Nigeria was an industrialised nation with a functioning economy, a university trained agric engineer will be the one mounting a tractor to harvest maize in a farm?

In industrialised nations, you really think its university trained engineers who work in 12 hour shifts, standing in manufacturing assembly lines to mass produce and package equipment, machines and other products?

Lol... You're actually a victim of Nigeria's failed economy, that's why you can't differentiate the roles of an engineer from a technician.

God Bless You Sir 🤗

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 10:05am On Nov 29
Hotspurs:
its one thing if its not profitabe.. its another thing if they are lacking... wil they come and repair our gen for free... what are you saying self... do you know how much bet9ja office make daily
Let's admit you make millions. How much una companies budget for generator maintenance?. How many Nigerian get money to use generator?. When demand nor dey braindrain go dey. If you want generator mechanic employ one and give him living wage like 200k. Na dat time you go know say artisan's plenty for Nigeria. No be all the yahoo boys wan do yahoo na because dia handwork no give dem money make dem dey do yahoo. How many companies for Nigeria dey give generator mechanic 200k salary?. And you want make young and ambitious people dey learn wetin nor fit epo dia career?. Dey there play.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:05am On Nov 29
skywalker240:

Over here in Benin City, we use iron pipes for burglaries, 5inch pipes

For plinths, we use rods

We use body filler's AKA cufill polyesters

And then we use putty's to fill dents

During treatment, we use alcohols and slow thinners and for heavy treatment we use hard thinners

What else? smiley
Correct. But do you think your job is scarce in Nigeria compared to design and manufacturing?

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by yongg: 10:05am On Nov 29
So just because you need artisans you want to do away with the community that actually make their work better?

Without varsity product where do you think the new technology better than the previous or currently used ones will come from?

Who will be behind the research and development necessary to reduce material use, energy use (from creation, to end use operations), while increasing product output and general optimization and ultimately make life simpler?
Must you sweat for a monotonous task or task you can automate so you can use that time you would have spent doing it to do something more meaningful like solve another problem?

Let us not make this another "na statistics we go chop" bite. The imports that the FG likes so much is them eating statistics of other serious governments. So you prefer to expensively spend to chop other peoples statistics rather than develop your own resources which is better, economically cost effective and vast in quantity available to you?


When has there been a lack of artisanry and a standardization of rates and trade in the country ?

If the society that needs this is serious they know what to do else any private business can take it upon themselves to set a standard let the government that has been slumbering in its duties get motivation to do the right thing concerning their responsibilities.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ladgentle(m): 10:09am On Nov 29
BlessedGift:
Adams Aliyu Oshiomhole as called for Artisans saying enough of University Graduates Seeking Public Sector jobs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFFcC-GyII


This is a very irresponsible statement to make. Statements like this are usually made by those who just want to talk, but have no real desire to see things happen.

It's like a well to do father announcing to his house hold that it is good to be eating balanced diet, when he knows that all he needs to do is to stock up the house with food stuffs for the balance diet and set the enabling environment to make that happen.

People will always flock to professions that are highly lucrative. All Oshiomole and the Senate needs to do is to make laws that will make the jobs of artisans to be highly lucrative and see how it will boom.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ceejayluv(m): 10:12am On Nov 29
ivandragon:


Do you think it is the graduates that dangote employed that were doing the welding and fabrications?

Where they the ones operating the machinery or driving the trucks?

In the electricity sector you mentioned, do you think those doing the major field work are all graduates?

Do you even know what blue collar jobs are?
If you Read My last sentence, I wrote That of course, more Artisans Will be needed at the construction and operating stage.
Oya, let the artisans design the turbines, machineries, etc2.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by madridguy(m): 10:12am On Nov 29
But when you have a building project, you would give it to someone who attended the university rather than someone who is a product of apprenticeship.

omoadeleye:




You are never ready to make Nigeria better or to make the life of you and your young ones better, if you are still waiting for government to build vocational schools for you before you can know how to be a bricklayer or iron bender.

When you can run the level under apprenticeship
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by CodeTemplarr: 10:12am On Nov 29
obailala:
Nigeria's economy is dead, so your analogy is rather invalid. But that being said, the keypoint I tried to raise is that in that industrialised nation, for every 1 lathe machine design specialist, there are 1000 fitters/machinists.
The inability of the black man to separate design(engineering) from maintenance, operation and repair(technician role) is an intellectual pandemic.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by madridguy(m): 10:13am On Nov 29
They are under funded.

Hotspurs:
for real i been dey think this technicall college this morning
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by wirinet(m): 10:15am On Nov 29
ivandragon:


You obviously have very poor understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

I will let you ride on the coattails of a comment I made earlier to a similar statement made...

Three things are evident from your question.

1. You obviously don't understand metonymy/synecdoche, so I can excuse your inability to comprehend even though the my reference to 'technical' work force should have given you an idea that the matter relates to blue collar jobs in general which leads me to the next point.

2. You seem not to know that blue collar jobs are the backbone of industrialisation. No matter how many tertiary degrees you have, no matter how many innovations you can come up with, you need people who can put in sweat and blood to do the 'dirty' jobs. People with technical know-how and special skill sets. Those people whom you take for granted which brings me to my third point.

3. You come across as one of those who raise thier noses against honest Labour. You see a bricklayer or mechanic and see the person as sub-human. You think they contribute nothing to the economy.

The redded quote is correct but only partially. The backbone of industrialisation particularly in the 21st century is first and foremost Science and Technology, followed by Energy. Without cheap and available source of energy industrialisation cannot get off the ground. Then followed by a machine tool industry. You need machines that would make the tools and machines for making products.
Then you need highly skilled engineers to design and build infrastructures for the industries. Blue collar jobs are the last piece of the industrialisation puzzle. Some countries don't even bother with blue collar workers as they are the cheapest to produce and their wage is also the cheapest in the whole equation, they simply import blue collar workers from poor countries.

In this era of AI, machine learning and robotics, many of the functions of blue color workers can be undertaken by machines.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by hedonido: 10:15am On Nov 29
Coming from a corrupt political thief like this idiot, this is quite insulting.

Someone like Innoson or Dangote or other industrialists can say this, with good reason and justification, not a useless Oshomowhatever who leeches on public funds and whose children also leech on public funds. What an insult.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by lolexzy: 10:16am On Nov 29
But his son is a medica Doctor oo
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Murketeer: 10:17am On Nov 29
skywalker240:

Exactly

It is shame if people don't understand what the Man is obviously trying to say

A great civilization works with artisans and great thinkers (puzzle solver's)
lol if you know the population of artisans and bricklayers in Nigeria … work nor dey reach them ..

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Proudlyngwa(m): 10:18am On Nov 29
Kbrule:


Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?
Yes
Who else

Bricklayers
Iron benders
Electricians
Welders
Carpenters

What we need is for engineers to bring out design ideas, and partner with artisans.

We have too many engineers that don't know anything

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by tefund(m): 10:19am On Nov 29
yesloaded:
How many technical universities do we have in Nigeria?
Even the few polytechnics are being converted to university.

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