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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Whytelyon(m): 9:20am On Dec 04
pillager:


People taking back their land are scourges?.

Why don't you guys give Fulani herdsman spaces to graze in SE, dumb ass nigga

Ottoman stole land from another muslim who stole lands and pass down thru generations, you say its Palestinians who own the land, when did your madness start? Why did you not say it was the Noor who owns Spain? And the Alkebulans who own Rome?
Lying son of a bitch!

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Sultanofpiglets: 9:27am On Dec 04
I don't wail about the civil war. Can't you see that IGBOs have moved on and are still ready to exterminate any external threat to their existence?

Calm down... IGBOs are formidable.

Respect that and keep quiet




pillager:


I wonder why you still wail about the civil war where 3 million of you folks died, isn't it the same logic, idiot

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 9:28am On Dec 04
pillager:


Who is your bro?

Kameni is not a Muslim, he's a Shia.

Muslims do not hate disbelievers per se, but hate what they believe in.

And there's no injustice against anyone whether a Muslim or non Muslim, it is not allowed!!

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Have you not heard the report from the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he had a Jewish servant [Slaves] who served him and he treated him kindly? He (the Jewish boy) fell sick, so the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came to visit him. He sat by his head and said to him: “Become Muslim.” (The boy) looked at his father, who was there with him, and he said to him: Obey Abu’l-Qaasim [i.e., the Prophet] (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). So he became Muslim, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) left, saying: “Praise be to Allah Who has saved him from the Fire.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no.1356"

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]"
I CAN'T BE YOUR BRO BECAUSE YOU HATE NON-MUSLIMS?.
The hadiths that you quote, is it against the Qur'an that you don't have deals with non-muslims?.
You think you're talking to an ignorant lol. You bark on the wrong tree.

Firstly, that hadiths you quote does not contradict the Qur'an as long as Muhammad was nice to a subjugated Jew. You don't have issue with non-muslims who are slaves to you. You treat them as dhimmi (sub humans). Muslims are permitted to be nice to their non-muslims slaves because that's all Islam wants, domination. Tell me where the Islam encourages you to be nice to the Jews who are not subjugated to Islam. You can't because Islam is hate religion to humanity. It only favours muslims and their subjects.

The hadiths never contradicts the Qur'an that says you should be ruthless towards non-muslims. Surah 48:29:
مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا ۖ سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِمْ مِنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ ۚ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ ۗ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا29
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Those with him are stern against the disbelievers, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Mirasteel: 9:29am On Dec 04
Botragelad:
These folks always spreading their rubbish and being nuisances. If you think there's a genocide going on in Gaza, you need to get your head sorted. Taking out terrorists and their mates isn't genocide, it's just getting the job done. If you wanna have a cry about it, be my guest. We're not fussed.

Everyone should be grateful to Israel for keeping civilian casualties to a minimum. If it were some other country with no rules, they'd have flattened the whole of Palestine/ Palestinians Arab occupiers by now and starved them into submission. But Israel's playing by the book.

So, here's the thing, I'm going to repeat it: all the protests and noise in the world won't stop Israel from defending itself. If civilians wanna be martyrs for terrorists, then Israel will just get on with it. The bombing's gonna keep going, and Palestine's just a fake concept that needs to be shut down.

Am yisreal chai 🇮🇱!

Is-r-hell asslicker, Zionist jew butt licker.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by lagosrd: 9:30am On Dec 04
Deport them to Gaza

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Richcreed(m): 9:40am On Dec 04
Botragelad:
These folks always spreading their rubbish and being nuisances. If you think there's a genocide going on in Gaza, you need to get your head sorted. Taking out terrorists and their mates isn't genocide, it's just getting the job done. If you wanna have a cry about it, be my guest. We're not fussed.

Everyone should be grateful to Israel for keeping civilian casualties to a minimum. If it were some other country with no rules, they'd have flattened the whole of Palestine/ Palestinians Arab occupiers by now and starved them into submission. But Israel's playing by the book.

So, here's the thing, I'm going to repeat it: all the protests and noise in the world won't stop Israel from defending itself. If civilians wanna be martyrs for terrorists, then Israel will just get on with it. The bombing's gonna keep going, and Palestine's just a fake concept that needs to be shut down.

Am yisreal chai 🇮🇱!



According to UN Charter of 1948, UN General assembly Resolution 2625 from 1970 ,protocol 1 in 1977:
"The people of Palestine have a legal right to resist foreign occupation, apartheid and genocide through any and all means at their disposal including violent armed resistance". Whatever hanas did was within their legal and moral right!
Isreal have been carrying out genocide against the Palestinians since 1948.
Israel as the occupying force is currently committing genocide. with several massacres carried out on gaza in the last decade.
Isreal bomb defenseless women and children, even in safe zone no one is spared. Snipers use children as shooting target, over 40k civilian killed and more than 100k injured , not to talk of more than 340 humanitarian workers and 137 journalists killed by IDF. Yet, you said Israel keep civilian casualties to a minimum. Isreal end will surely come .
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pongwa(m): 9:54am On Dec 04
Botragelad:

Source;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6lxnvy27vo.amp

they should go and do same in a mosque during prayers

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by EmperorEmerald2: 9:59am On Dec 04
malali:
STOP THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA-STOP KILLING BABIES AND WOMEN.

Bringing attention of the world to the ongoing Genocide in Gaza.

Please ignore the baby murders and genocide sympathizers who are commenting ignorantly.
I still do not know how any decent human regardless of religion or tribe would keep advocating for ongoing murdering of children and women.

These people are always happy to see babies and women murdered.


NIGERIANS DO NOT SUPPORT THE ONGOING GENOCIDE IN GAZA.

This war is between Arabs and Jews
But miscreants like botragelad is forcefully trying to change it to Muslims versus Christians
Just to incite Nigerians and cause unrest
There is no Arab or Jew in Nigeria


The nlfpmod should censor this guys narrative as a matter of national security, every time he posts a divisive article and makes a divisive comment under it. He is given front page. As if he pays the mods.
The Jews killed Jesus, not Muslims and they are the ones committing genocide in Gaza.


Cc National Security Adviser: Nuhu Ribadu.

;U're just a hypocrite... We support Two State Solution to Palestine & Israel,....
We Eastern Region formally Nigeria have decided to parts way from ur Islamics Terrorists Country can't you Support us

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 9:59am On Dec 04
pillager:


Who is your bro?

Kameni is not a Muslim, he's a Shia.

Muslims do not hate disbelievers per se, but hate what they believe in.

And there's no injustice against anyone whether a Muslim or non Muslim, it is not allowed!!

"
Have you not heard the report from the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he had a Jewish servant who served him and he treated him kindly? He (the Jewish boy) fell sick, so the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came to visit him. He sat by his head and said to him: “Become Muslim.” (The boy) looked at his father, who was there with him, and he said to him: Obey Abu’l-Qaasim [i.e., the Prophet] (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). So he became Muslim, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) left, saying: “Praise be to Allah Who has saved him from the Fire.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no.1356"

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]"
Qur'an 60:8 was given prior to Qur'an chapter 9. The Qur'an chapter 9 told you to start persecuting non-muslims even if they don't attack you first. Surah 9 is the last major revelation of Muhammad before he died.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَٰذَا ۚ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ28 O you who believe! The polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque AFTER THIS YEAR of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. Allah is Aware and Wise.

٢٩ قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.


allah commands you to kill non-muslims in the latter revelations which abrogates the previous. IF YOU UNDERSTOOD ISLAM YOU'D KNOW IT'S FRAUD. MUHAMMAD RECEIVED REVELATION IN MECCA, HE START PREACHING ABOUT PEACE WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS, HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS THAT WHEN THEY GET TO MEDINAH, THE CITY OF THE JEWS, THEY'LL ACCEPT HIM AS THE LAST PROPHET PROPHESIED IN THE BIBLE BUT THE JEWS REJECTED HIM AND HE BECAME HOSTILE TOWARDS JEWS AND ORDER THE
ANNIHILATION OF THE JEWS BUT SAID GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS HOPING THEY'D ACCEPT HIM BUT THEN HE WENT TO THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AND THEY REJECTED HIM SO HE GAVE REVELATIONS HOW THAT CHRISTIANS ARE ALLIES WITH THE JEWS AND DESERVED TO BE ANNIHILATED TOO.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 10:11am On Dec 04
Richcreed:



According to UN Charter of 1948, UN General assembly Resolution 2625 from 1970 ,protocol 1 in 1977:
"The people of Palestine have a legal right to resist foreign occupation, apartheid and genocide through any and all means at their disposal including violent armed resistance". Whatever hanas did was within their legal and moral right!
Isreal have been carrying out genocide against the Palestinians since 1948.
Israel as the occupying force is currently committing genocide. with several massacres carried out on gaza in the last decade.
Isreal bomb defenseless women and children, even in safe zone no one is spared. Snipers use children as shooting target, over 40k civilian killed and more than 100k injured , not to talk of more than 340 humanitarian workers and 137 journalists killed by IDF. Yet, you said Israel keep civilian casualties to a minimum. Isreal end will surely come .
Bro, you're quoting nonsense. The law is about sovereignty of a state not about war or Palestine. Palestine is not a member state of the United Nation therefore, they lack any sovereign power to attack a democracy. No country has any right to declare war by bombarding other people's country, raping and kidnapping them and later be claiming immunity to the war it started. Palestine is not a UN member state it's still being observed whether it deserve to be a state or not by taking responsibility of a state. It failed to pass the test of responsibility and it'll never be on a state until a peaceful generation emerge from Palestine which is definitely one hundred years plus.
REMEMBER A COUNTRY WITH THE UNITED NATION'S NON-MEMBER OBSERVER STATUS DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO WAGE ANY WAR ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAWS. SO KEEP SHUT.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Richcreed(m): 10:58am On Dec 04
smokinloud:

Bro, you're quoting nonsense. The law is about sovereignty of a state not about war or Palestine. Palestine is not a member state of the United Nation therefore, they lack any sovereign power to attack a democracy. No country has any right to declare war by bombarding other people's country, raping and kidnapping them and later be claiming immunity to the war it started. Palestine is not a UN member state it's still being observed whether it deserve to be a state or not by taking responsibility of a state. It failed to pass the test of responsibility and it'll never be on a state until a peaceful generation emerge from Palestine which is definitely one hundred years plus.
REMEMBER A COUNTRY WITH THE UNITED NATION'S NON-MEMBER OBSERVER STATUS DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO WAGE ANY WAR ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAWS. SO KEEP SHUT.

Brilliant, you omitted the part where Palestinians have been systematically killed since 1948, you omitted various genocides carried out by Israel. Palestine is not a member state of United Nation, yet United nation made[b] resolution[/b] for it. Palestine is a country existing long before creation of Israel.
Palestine isn't waging war against Israel, there are no Palestine tanks or military personnel in Israel , how can you say Palestine is wagging war? STFU and get your head examined.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Botragelad: 11:06am On Dec 04
Richcreed:


Brilliant, you omitted the part where Palestinians have been systematically killed since 1948, you omitted various genocides carried out by Israel. Palestine is not a member state of United Nation, yet United nation made[b] resolution[/b] for it. Palestine is a country existing long before creation of Israel.
Palestine isn't waging war against Israel, there are no Palestine tanks or military personnel in Israel , how can you say Palestine is wagging war? STFU and get your head examined.
You keep typing trash. Now I'm gonna ask few questions. Kindly answer them.
1. If Palestine existed as a sovereign state before Israel, why was it never recognized as such by the international community, including the League of Nations and the United Nations?

2. Can you explain why the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which proposed dividing British-ruled Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by Arab leaders?

3. How do you reconcile the fact that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), founded in 1964, initially sought to liberate the whole of Palestine, including areas within Israel's pre-1967 borders, from Jewish control?

4. If Palestine has a distinct national identity, why did the Arab population of Palestine largely identify as Ottoman subjects, then British subjects, before adopting a Palestinian national identity in the mid-20th century?

5. Can you provide evidence of a functioning Palestinian state, including a government, economy, and military, prior to 1948?

Smokinloud

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Firebomber: 11:16am On Dec 04
pillager:


Loud yet ignorant, "the Romans killed Jesus."
Wallahi you're so dumb and ignorant .

And btw, the Jews said they killed Jesus, and they said he's boiling in hot excrement in hellfire, go on and disprove this too.
Dumb ass slave

I thought your muhammad family idol (Allah) together with his gigolo fake prophet Mumuhammad claim that Jesus was not killed 😂 so you are calling your useless Allah a lier 😂😂

Oponu eru Arabu.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 11:20am On Dec 04
smokinloud:

Qur'an 60:8 was given prior to Qur'an chapter 9. The Qur'an chapter 9 told you to start persecuting non-muslims even if they don't attack you first. Surah 9 is the last major revelation of Muhammad before he died.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَٰذَا ۚ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ28 O you who believe! The polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque AFTER THIS YEAR of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. Allah is Aware and Wise.

٢٩ قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.


allah commands you to kill non-muslims in the latter revelations which abrogates the previous. IF YOU UNDERSTOOD ISLAM YOU'D KNOW IT'S FRAUD. MUHAMMAD RECEIVED REVELATION IN MECCA, HE START PREACHING ABOUT PEACE WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS, HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS THAT WHEN THEY GET TO MEDINAH, THE CITY OF THE JEWS, THEY'LL ACCEPT HIM AS THE LAST PROPHET PROPHESIED IN THE BIBLE BUT THE JEWS REJECTED HIM AND HE BECAME HOSTILE TOWARDS JEWS AND ORDER THE
ANNIHILATION OF THE JEWS BUT SAID GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS HOPING THEY'D ACCEPT HIM BUT THEN HE WENT TO THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AND THEY REJECTED HIM SO HE GAVE REVELATIONS HOW THAT CHRISTIANS ARE ALLIES WITH THE JEWS AND DESERVED TO BE ANNIHILATED TOO.


O believers! Indeed, the polytheists are ˹spiritually˺ impure, so they should not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. If you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He wills. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

why do you have a problem with this, do you own the sacred mosque?


Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, until they pay the tax, willingly submitting, fully humbled.

There is no abrogation nor contradiction, you dimwit will take verses out of context.


The command to fight the polytheists is not for the purpose of forcing them to enter Islam, otherwise the Jews, Christians and others would have been forced to enter Islam whenever the Muslims defeated them and they came under their authority. But it is well known to anyone who has the slightest knowledge of the history of Islam that this did not happen, because the Jews and Christians continued to live under the authority of the Muslim state, and they enjoyed religious freedom

contrary to your erroneous claim.


Rather what is meant by fighting is two things:

1.. Fighting those who want to attack the Muslims in their own lands, and to spread the influence of disbelief and its followers in the Muslim lands. This is Jihad in defence of Muslim territory, and it is something that has occurred in every nation and state known to history, no matter what their religion, otherwise there would be no state and no authority at all.

2.. Fighting those who bar people from the religion of Allah and prevent the Muslims from calling people to the religion of their Lord and spreading His light so that it may be seen by anyone who seeks guidance, or they prevent non-Muslims from learning about this religion or entering it if they want to. This is jihad in pursuit of the enemy. Both types of jihad are prescribed in Islamic teachings.


That is also indicated by the report which was proven from Buraydah, who said: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) appointed commanders for an army or expedition, he would advise them to fear Allah, may He be exalted, and to be good to those of the Muslims who were under their command. Then he said: “… When you meet your enemy among the polytheists, offer them three options, and whichever one they choose, accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them. Invite them to Islam and if they respond, then accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them. Then invite them to migrate from their land. … If they refuse, then ask them to pay jizyah. If they respond, then accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them. If they refuse that, then seek the help of Allah and fight them….

Narrated by Muslim (1731).

where is the abrogation?
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 11:24am On Dec 04
pillager:





why do you have a problem with this, do you own the sacred mosque?



There is no abrogation nor contradiction, you dimwit will take verses out of context.


contrary to your erroneous claim.





where is the abrogation?
Be coherent. What are you saying?!.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 11:26am On Dec 04
Botragelad:

You keep typing trash. Now I'm gonna ask few questions. Kindly answer them.
1. If Palestine existed as a sovereign state before Israel, why was it never recognized as such by the international community, including the League of Nations and the United Nations?

2. Can you explain why the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which proposed dividing British-ruled Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by Arab leaders?

3. How do you reconcile the fact that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), founded in 1964, initially sought to liberate the whole of Palestine, including areas within Israel's pre-1967 borders, from Jewish control?

4. If Palestine has a distinct national identity, why did the Arab population of Palestine largely identify as Ottoman subjects, then British subjects, before adopting a Palestinian national identity in the mid-20th century?

5. Can you provide evidence of a functioning Palestinian state, including a government, economy, and military, prior to 1948?

Smokinloud
✓ God bless you sir.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 11:32am On Dec 04
smokinloud:

I CAN'T BE YOUR BRO BECAUSE YOU HATE NON-MUSLIMS?.
The hadiths that you quote, is it against the Qur'an that you don't have deals with non-muslims?.
You think you're talking to an ignorant lol. You bark on the wrong tree.

Firstly, that hadiths you quote does not contradict the Qur'an as long as Muhammad was nice to a subjugated Jew. You don't have issue with non-muslims who are slaves to you. You treat them as dhimmi (sub humans). Muslims are permitted to be nice to their non-muslims slaves because that's all Islam wants, domination. Tell me where the Islam encourages you to be nice to the Jews who are not subjugated to Islam. You can't because Islam is hate religion to humanity. It only favours muslims and their subjects.

The hadiths never contradicts the Qur'an that says you should be ruthless towards non-muslims. Surah 48:29:
مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا ۖ سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِمْ مِنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ ۚ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ ۗ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا29
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Those with him are stern against the disbelievers, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

I CAN'T BE YOUR BRO BECAUSE YOU HATE NON-MUSLIMS?.
See why it is so dumb arguing with you? i clearly said i hate non muslims in what they believe not them per se, and injustice is not allowed on them, i'm not your bro


The hadiths that you quote, is it against the Qur'an that you don't have deals with non-muslims?
what are you saying here man.

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]

are you dumb?


The hadiths never contradicts the Qur'an that says you should be ruthless towards non-muslims. Surah 48:29:

show me where ruthlessness is mentioned or how did you implied it from "firmness", bloody liar


Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those with him are firm with the disbelievers and compassionate with one another. You see them bowing and prostrating ˹in prayer˺, seeking Allah’s bounty and pleasure. The sign ˹of brightness can be seen˺ on their faces from the trace of prostrating ˹in prayer˺. This is their description in the Torah. And their parable in the Gospel is that of a seed that sprouts its ˹tiny˺ branches, making it strong. Then it becomes thick, standing firmly on its stem, to the delight of the planters—in this way Allah makes the believers a source of dismay for the disbelievers. To those of them who believe and do good, Allah has promised forgiveness and a great reward.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 11:33am On Dec 04
pillager:


The command to fight the polytheists is not for the purpose of forcing them to enter Islam, otherwise the Jews, Christians and others would have been forced to enter Islam whenever the Muslims defeated them and they came under their authority. But it is well known to anyone who has the slightest knowledge of the history of Islam that this did not happen, because the Jews and Christians continued to live under the authority of the Muslim state, and they enjoyed religious freedom


Firstly, you didn't attempt to solve the dilemma in your Qur'an. You boasted there's no one single contradiction in the Qur'an and you run away from the question about the obvious contradiction of the Qur'an.
Secondly, I am not even arguing about forced conversions. Read my earlier comments carefully well. I'm talking about Islam hate towards non-muslims. You fight and kill them and spare the lives of those who are subjugated to Islam only.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 11:34am On Dec 04
Sultanofpiglets:
I don't wail about the civil war. Can't you see that IGBOs have moved on and are still ready to exterminate any external threat to their existence?

Calm down... IGBOs are formidable.

Respect that and keep quiet





Yes, UGM are going a good job.
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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 11:39am On Dec 04
Whytelyon:


Ottoman stole land from another muslim who stole lands and pass down thru generations, you say its Palestinians who own the land, when did your madness start? Why did you not say it was the Noor who owns Spain? And the Alkebulans who own Rome?
Lying son of a bitch!

Not surprised; you come from a region where a widow's property can be usurped by her in-laws. I totally understand.
Akpu munching monster
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 11:51am On Dec 04
pillager:



See why it is so dumb arguing with you? i clearly said i hate non muslims in what they believe not them per se, and injustice is not allowed on them, i'm not your bro



what are you saying here man.

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]

are you dumb?




show me where ruthlessness is mentioned or how did you implied it from "firmness", bloody liar




You hate me for having a different opinion from Islam. That's enough reason that Islam is illogical. People earn love same as people earn hatred. I earned your hatred because I'm against Islam. That's the fact. You're encouraged to kill ME for criticizing Muhammad you are not encouraged to kill my ideology but ME.

What I'm saying is that surah 60:8 came before surah 9. Muhammad ordered you to kill Jews and Christians on his sick bed which is binding until now. The peaceful revelation on non-muslims who didn't attack you first ended in verse 9 and a new rule emerged that you kill non-muslims except the one that begs and live at your mercy.


surah:9:28-29: ٢٨ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَٰذَا ۚ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ28 O you who believe! The polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque AFTER THIS YEAR OF THEIRS [MEANING THE OLD VERSE OF NOT WAGING OFFENSIVE WARS HAS EXPIRED AND YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE NEW COMMAND]. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. Allah is Aware and Wise.
٢٩ قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

To be stern against someone means to be ruthless with them. Stop reasoning with your ass.
٢٩ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا ۖ سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِمْ مِنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ ۚ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ ۗ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا29 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Those with him are STERN AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Mrpojj(m): 11:52am On Dec 04
Botragelad:

Source;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6lxnvy27vo.amp

Can people enter mosque and do this if reverse was the case?

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 11:59am On Dec 04
smokinloud:
grin grin grin grin
There are millions of contradictions in it.
surah 21:98:
إِنَّكُمۡ وَمَا تَعۡبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ حَصَبُ جَهَنَّمَ أَنتُمۡ لَهَا وَ ٰرِدُونَ ۝٩٨
Certainly you ˹disbelievers˺ and whatever you worship instead of Allah will be the fuel of Hell. You are ˹all˺ bound to enter it.


Do you believe in this verse?!. That allah (the puppet god of Muhammad) will burn whatever "kufr" worship in hell?!.

If so, the same Qur'an says Christians worship Jesus as son of God besides allah here: surah 9:30-31:

وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللَّهِ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللَّهِ ۖ ذَٰلِكَ قَوْلُهُمْ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ ۖ يُضَاهِئُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ ۚ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللَّهُ ۚ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ30 The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!
٣١ اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَٰهًا وَاحِدًا ۖ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ31 They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of Allah, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.


Now, the same Qur'an went on to say that Jesus was taken to allah- allah is not in hell as per Islam, Jesus who is an object of worship according to the Qur'an was now taken to allah but allah's residence is not Hell.

Qur'an 3:55: إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنْتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ55 Allah said, “O Jesus, I am terminating your life, and raising you to Me, and clearing you of those who disbelieve. And I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return; then I will judge between you regarding what you were disputing.

1. DID ALLAH LIE WHEN HE SAID ANY OBJECT OF WORSHIP WILL BE BURNT IN HELL?!.
2. WAS JESUS TAKEN TO ALLAH?!.
3. DOES ALLAH RESIDE IN HELL?!.
4. DID ALLAH LIE ABOUT THE FACT THAT CHRISTIAN WORSHIP JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD?!.
5. CAN YOU SOLVE THIS DILEMMA OF THE QUR'AN WITHOUT CONTRADICTING THE QUR'AN.

You're just doing cut and join, and your ignorance is very obvious in this.


Certainly you ˹disbelievers˺ and whatever you worship instead of Allah will be the fuel of Hell.1 You are ˹all˺ bound to enter it.

Obviously, Allah is talking about them and the idols they worship.
And there's a difference between worshipping an idol and a divine being (Jesus is not Allah's son, neither is he a God)

and btw you cannot use "kufr" in that context, i don't blame you sha.


to further show you insincerity and your liying tendency

If so, the same Qur'an says Christians worship Jesus as son of God besides allah here: surah 9:30-31:

you quoted this ayah

The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?

where in this verse did Allah said "Christians worship Jesus as son of God besides allah" in this verse?

and wait are you inferring to jesus as an object of worship, as in an idol you christains worship cheesy
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 12:03pm On Dec 04
smokinloud:



You hate me for having a different opinion from Islam. That's enough reason that Islam is illogical. People earn love same as people earn hatred. I earned your hatred because I'm against Islam. That's the fact. You're encouraged to kill ME for criticizing Muhammad you are not encouraged to kill my ideology but ME.

What I'm saying is that surah 60:8 came before surah 9. Muhammad ordered you to kill Jews and Christians on his sick bed which is binding until now. The peaceful revelation on non-muslims who didn't attack you first ended in verse 9 and a new rule emerged that you kill non-muslims except the one that begs and live at your mercy.


surah:9:28-29: ٢٨ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَٰذَا ۚ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ28 O you who believe! The polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque AFTER THIS YEAR OF THEIRS [MEANING THE OLD VERSE OF NOT WAGING OFFENSIVE WARS HAS EXPIRED AND YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE NEW COMMAND]. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. Allah is Aware and Wise.
٢٩ قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

To be stern against someone means to be ruthless with them. Stop reasoning with your ass.
٢٩ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا ۖ سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِمْ مِنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ ۚ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ ۗ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا29 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Those with him are STERN AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

Keep wallowing in your deliberate ignorance
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Sultanofpiglets: 12:06pm On Dec 04
UGM...

Ogbeni leave matter. Where are the saviours of SW after Herdsmen killed 4 OBAs?

Leave the SE to have their own country...stop begging for UNITY.


pillager:


Yes, UGM are going a good job.
formidable yet wails on all social media, perpetual victims
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by smokinloud(m): 12:11pm On Dec 04
pillager:


You're just doing cut and join, and your ignorance is very obvious in this.





and btw you cannot use "kufr" in that context, i don't blame you sha.


to further show you insincerity and your liying tendency


you quoted this ayah


where in this verse did Allah said "Christians worship Jesus as son of God besides allah" in this verse?

and wait are you inferring to jesus as an object of worship, as in an idol you christains worship cheesy

Who are the disbelievers are they not mushrikins and mushrikins not kufr (infidel, an horrible name for non-muslims in islam)?!.
The basis of the argument is not about non-muslims being called kafr or not it's about non-muslims' object of worship being burnt in hell.
when allah said "WHATEVER THEY WORSHIP, what does he mean?!.


إِنَّكُمۡ وَمَا تَعۡبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ حَصَبُ جَهَنَّمَ أَنتُمۡ لَهَا وَ ٰرِدُونَ

Certainly you ˹disbelievers˺ and whatever you worship instead of Allah will be the fuel of Hell. You are ˹all˺ bound to enter it.


Do you think I'm a 12 years kid?!. I quoted Qur'an ayah for you from verse 28-31 and the part that says Christians take Jesus as Lord (object of worship, object in this sense doesn't have to be inanimate objects)

surah9:31: ٣١ اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَٰهًا وَاحِدًا ۖ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ31 They have taken their rabbis and their priests as LORDS instead of Allah, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. ALTHOUGH THEY WERE COMMANDED TO WORSHIP NONE BUT THE ONE GOD [IN CONTEXT, THEY WORSHIP DIFFERENT HUMANS INCLUDING JESUS INSTEAD OF ALLAH]. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.

Nah, OBJECT OF WORSHIP REFER TO WHAT ALLAH CALLED "WHATEVER THEY WORSHIP" IN THE QUR'AN

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Whytelyon(m): 12:45pm On Dec 04
pillager:


Not surprised; you come from a region where a widow's property can be usurped by her in-laws. I totally understand.
Akpu munching monster

Zero sense in your idiotic and falacy as statements. You are a very stupid person. You don't know my tribe , you don't travel, your fore fathers told you nonsense and you believed, how wouldn't you ignorantly believe the nonsense told you by your miserable sheikhs! They can say Mohamed asked you to steal lands , just as they told you about Surah 5:51 and you follow, which one them go tell you way you go debunk? You thief land in conquest, in the same conquest, they won and revoke the stupid laws and gave back the right to its owner, you still crawl back to steal claim the land, and im asking you to make things simple, why didn't you say spain is still Muslim country , and Rome , you day insult people way no do a tout like you anything , wetin concern them? Stupid idiot. You don use copy copy pass exam abi you buy certificate come day embarrass yourself here. Ozuor.

Tell your story to those not in the middle east. I day live here, so find another story. Stupid animal.

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by ReubenE(m): 1:04pm On Dec 04
malali:


Illiteracy is a disease....lol
the beef is between arabs and jews
You are here turning it into muslim and christians by force
The Jews killed jesus....go and read your bible.
The muslims didnt kill Jesus.
The only reason Muslims didn't kill Jesus was because Islam was not around during his time.

Muslims would have bombed Jesus over and over again judging from the way they hate his followers and describe them in their holy books.
Even Mohammed did not spare Quaraish people cause of Islam let alone Jesus if he was there.
Muslims and Islam is the bedrock of hatred, violence and savagery towards other people

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Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 1:30pm On Dec 04
Sultanofpiglets:
UGM...

Ogbeni leave matter. Where are the saviours of SW after Herdsmen killed 4 OBAs?

Leave the SE to have their own country...stop begging for UNITY.


Who is begging for unity?

What was your folks response to ronu rhetorics about them leaving Lagos, SW.

No body is begging you economic migrants for unity
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by pillager: 1:48pm On Dec 04
smokinloud:

Who are the disbelievers are they not mushrikins and mushrikins not kufr (infidel, an horrible name for non-muslims in islam)?!.
The basis of the argument is not about non-muslims being called kafr or not it's about non-muslims' object of worship being burnt in hell.
when allah said "WHATEVER THEY WORSHIP, what does he mean?!.


إِنَّكُمۡ وَمَا تَعۡبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ حَصَبُ جَهَنَّمَ أَنتُمۡ لَهَا وَ ٰرِدُونَ

Certainly you ˹disbelievers˺ and whatever you worship instead of Allah will be the fuel of Hell. You are ˹all˺ bound to enter it.


Do you think I'm a 12 years kid?!. I quoted Qur'an ayah for you from verse 28-31 and the part that says Christians take Jesus as Lord (object of worship, object in this sense doesn't have to be inanimate objects)

surah9:31: ٣١ اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَٰهًا وَاحِدًا ۖ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ31 They have taken their rabbis and their priests as LORDS instead of Allah, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. ALTHOUGH THEY WERE COMMANDED TO WORSHIP NONE BUT THE ONE GOD [IN CONTEXT, THEY WORSHIP DIFFERENT HUMANS INCLUDING JESUS INSTEAD OF ALLAH]. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.

Nah, OBJECT OF WORSHIP REFER TO WHAT ALLAH CALLED "WHATEVER THEY WORSHIP" IN THE QUR'AN

Kafir - disbeliever
Kufr - disbelief

How is calling a non Muslim a kafir an horrible name? What does the bible call disbelievers in it? Are you serious.

This is not the own you think it is.

Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Richcreed(m): 2:05pm On Dec 04
Botragelad:

You keep typing trash. Now I'm gonna ask few questions. Kindly answer them.
1. If Palestine existed as a sovereign state before Israel, why was it never recognized as such by the international community, including the League of Nations and the United Nations?

2. Can you explain why the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which proposed dividing British-ruled Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by Arab leaders?

3. How do you reconcile the fact that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), founded in 1964, initially sought to liberate the whole of Palestine, including areas within Israel's pre-1967 borders, from Jewish control?

4. If Palestine has a distinct national identity, why did the Arab population of Palestine largely identify as Ottoman subjects, then British subjects, before adopting a Palestinian national identity in the mid-20th century?

5. Can you provide evidence of a functioning Palestinian state, including a government, economy, and military, prior to 1948?

Smokinloud

Palestine as well as several other states and geographic locations was part of ottoman empire, which ended in 1922. As at that time, Palestine had a map which clearly indicates its geographical boundaries and component areas. From 1922 to 1948 it was under Britain mandate, it was not an independent state but rather a territory, during which there was constant struggle for sovereignty and Palestinian statehood.
At this point, I need to you to know that prior to 1948, Palestine was occupied by Muslim ,Jew, Christian and druze who have been living in peace for centuries, before the creation of Israel and Nakba. Also they had their currency which was ottoman lira then Palestine pound.

To your second question, The Arab leaders did not agree to 56.47% of the land allocated to creation of state of isreal. They claimed they had larger population while the European immigrants were of relatively small population. Aside that, mostly fertile land for agriculture was part of the land allocated to Israel, There were other reasons too.

Take note that in 1930 and 1939, the British issued white papers that restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases, But due to political and economic reasons ( Another topic entirely) The British made deal with the Rothschild Family to bring European Jews to Palestine.

Time constraint wont allow me to answer your remaining questions.

On a serious note, what Israel is doing currently is devoid of human empathy, bombing and shooting unharmed civilians, inside camp, in hospitals, even in their own safety zone. there are hundreds of people among the rubbles of bombed houses. They blocked aid, food and water from reaching the survivors in gaza. Israel have technology that set off bomb in Hezbollah pagers, killed Iranian officials but cant take out Hanas member Instead they are taking out everyone. Wonder if their god that promised them the land requires so much human sacrifices, bloodshed, pain and sorrow.
Re: Pro-Palestinian Protesters Interrupts Cathedral Service In Northern Ireland by Botragelad: 2:28pm On Dec 04
Richcreed:


Palestine as well as several other states and geographic locations was part of ottoman empire, which ended in 1922. As at that time, Palestine had a map which clearly indicates its geographical boundaries and component areas. From 1922 to 1948 it was under Britain mandate, it was not an independent state but rather a territory, during which there was constant struggle for sovereignty and Palestinian statehood.
At this point, I need to you to know that prior to 1948, Palestine was occupied by Muslim ,Jew, Christian and druze who have been living in peace for centuries, before the creation of Israel and Nakba. Also they had their currency which was ottoman lira then Palestine pound.

To your second question, The Arab leaders did not agree to 56.47% of the land allocated to creation of state of isreal. They claimed they had larger population while the European immigrants were of relatively small population. Aside that, mostly fertile land for agriculture was part of the land allocated to Israel, There were other reasons too.

Take note that in 1930 and 1939, the British issued white papers that restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases, But due to political and economic reasons ( Another topic entirely) The British made deal with the Rothschild Family to bring European Jews to Palestine.

Time constraint wont allow me to answer your remaining questions.

On a serious note, what Israel is doing currently is devoid of human empathy, bombing and shooting unharmed civilians, inside camp, in hospitals, even in their own safety zone. there are hundreds of people among the rubbles of bombed houses. They blocked aid, food and water from reaching the survivors in gaza. Israel have technology that set off bomb in Hezbollah pagers, killed Iranian officials but cant take out Hanas member Instead they are taking out everyone. Wonder if their god that promised them the land requires so much human sacrifices, bloodshed, pain and sorrow.





Funny how you guys skip questions to keep writing same nonsense. Regarding what you just wrote up there. I'm curious, If Palestine was a unified entity before 1948, why did the Arab League reject the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which would've established an independent Palestinian state? What were the underlying reasons for this rejection, and how did it impact the subsequent course of events?🤷‍♂️

How can you claim that Israel's actions are devoid of human empathy when, historically, the Israeli government has made efforts to provide humanitarian aid to the so called Palestinian civilians, despite the conflict? Or are you not aware of the Israeli military's use of precision-guided munitions and warnings to civilians before military operations?

People like you keep accusing Israel of human rights abuses while overlooking the role of Hamas and other Palestinian factions in perpetuating violence and human rights violation. Why have Hamas consistently rejected Israeli offers of peace and instead pursued a policy of terrorism. Tell us!

If the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is solely about Israeli aggression like you claim, why have multiple peace negotiations and agreements, such as the Oslo Accords and the Camp David Summit, failed to achieve a lasting resolution? What role have Palestinian leaders played in rejecting these offers and perpetuating the conflict? Guess you forgot that many Palestinian leaders, including Yasser Arafat, have historically rejected offers of statehood and peace. What about the Palestinian Authority's failure to hold democratic elections and its human rights abuses against its own people?

Do you also mind sharing the historical basis for your claim that Israel's existence is inherently tied to human sacrifices and bloodshed, when, in fact, the Zionist movement was founded on the principles of self-determination and peaceful coexistence? How do you account for the fact that Israel has consistently sought peace with its Arab neighbors, including Egypt and Jordan?🤷🏼

If Israel's actions are driven by a desire for human sacrifices, why have ** made efforts to minimize civilian casualties in military operations, despite the challenges posed by Hamas's use of human shields? What about the use of advanced technologies, such as precision-guided munitions and drones, to reduce collateral damage or you think all that's for fun!

You accuse Israel of "ethnic cleansing" when, the Israeli government have been able to integrate Arab Israelis into Israeli society. What about the fact that Arab Israelis have the same rights and privileges as Jewish Israelis, including the right to vote and hold public office? Can you say the same about most Islamic dominated countries?

Learn the meaning of "apartheid". Israel is a democratic state that guarantees equal rights to all its citizens, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. There's a thriving Arab Israeli community, with many Arab Israelis serving in the Israeli military and public office.

Now, if Israel is truly committed to "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing," why have ** consistently allowed humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza, despite the security risks posed by Hamas? What about the fact that Israel has provided medical care and humanitarian assistance to thousands of Syrian civilians, despite the conflict in Syria?

You guys are so ungrateful. Trash mentality. 🤦🏼

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