budaatum:
If I want you to appreciate new born babies and not bury them at birth in 7AD, I'd tell you you and the baby will go to hell in order to deter you.

I'm aware it wouldn't work in 2024AD though, and would think you were being absurd if you still thought there was even a hell for you to go to.

TenQ:
Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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AntiChristian:


The hadith has a Tafsir which defines those going to hell!
So the rightful translation of the hadith is The one who buried the infant girl and the one who had her buried will both enter Hell.

TenQ:
Tell me Mr Antichristian,
Why is it engrained in the DNA of Muslims to tell lies on demand?
Don't you know who you resemble with lies!?




John 8:44:
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

When the pre-Islamic Arabs buried their baby girls alive, the mother would not do it herself but rather would have the midwife do it for her. Hence, the maw’udah in this tradition means maw’udaha la ha, the one for whom the baby girl was buried. Several scholars have offered this interpretation.

Ibn al-Malak writes:

وقيل المراد بالوائدة القابلة وبالموؤدة لها وهي أم الطفل

It is said that the meaning of ‘burier’ is the midwife and the maw’udah is the one for whom she was buried.

Source: Sharḥ Maṣābīḥ al-Sunnah 1/129

And Al-Munawi writes:

والموءودة قيل أراد بها هنا المفعولة لها ذلك وهي أم الطفل

The maw’udah is said to mean here the one for whom that was done, which is the mother of the child.

Source: Fayḍ al-Qadīr 6/370

RealLordZeus:


Oga rest..
The AntiChristian guy is correct although I do not agree with most of his method... I mean why would I name my moniker AntiChristian
Read the below
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/baby-girl-buried-alive-in-hell/
The topic has already been raised by thumper like you and trashed out

Also, the matter of discourse is that Hadith, and I found it laughable you quoting text from unknown writers.

At least, the hadith of the discourse, we know who said it and who wrote it...

Your truth verse now, we know who said it but who wrote it ?

RealLordZeus:
In case you are lazy

TenQ:

It seems someone is speaking the untruth

What is the الْمَوْءُودَةُ (Al-maw’ūdatu)


Does it mean
1. The girl who was buried
OR
2. The midwife who buried her

RealLordZeus:

Read what you quoted slowly..

TenQ:
Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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ConDawah:

All Muslims are going to hell anyways (Surah 19 verses 71-72)

TenQ:

Of course, but the Prince of this world has sealed their hearts against the truth and blinded their eyes to see until it is too late for repentance.

Please, pray for Muslims. The clutch of their snare of bondage is a strong one.

TenQ:

You are the one not reading.

Why are you afraid to answer my question
What is the الْمَوْءُودَةُ (Al-maw’ūdatu)


Does it mean
1. The girl who was buried
OR
2. The midwife who buried her


By the way, the phrase in contention is
"الْوَائِدَةُ وَالْمَوْءُودَةُ فِي النَّارِ."

ConDawah:

They actually need prayer against the stronghold of satanic deception.
How in the name of common sense, someone will read the Quran and still remain a Muslim is beyond me.

RealLordZeus:


I already gave you your answer, you only need to allow your brain to read ..
I know you will be lazy to visit the website, thats why I brought the excerpt here.

Also stop masturbating on the topic as if you discovered gold, the topic has been raised several times by similar people like you and they were all cured of their ignorance.

A simple Google search will also cure yours too.
Btw, you stylishly avoided your unknown authors books

TenQ:

Secondly, only the pre-Islamic non-muslim Arabs buried their daughters. These would neither believe in heaven nor hell and thus, it is meaningless scaring them with hell.

TenQ:
Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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budaatum:

This, is precisely why you threaten people with hell. Its in order to convert them from pre-Islamic non-muslim Arabs and burying their daughters, to Islam and not burying their daughters.

budaatum:

Judaism did the same thing in telling people to obey the ten commandments or they'd burn in hell, and Christianity took this on too by threatening those who didn't accept Christ with hell and damnation.

budaatum:

Its a religious thing to use the fear of something to threaten people to accept it, but since no pre-Islamic non-muslim is burying their daughter theses days, that's not exactly effective no more, though some Christians do still use some form of hell scaremongering where abortion is concerned.

jaephoenix:

Its interesting a religion that believes in original sin and that all has sinned and doesn't deserve to live unless they accept Jesus ,has issues with Muslims
You believe a newborn is sinful due to the sin of Adam that supposedly happened more than 2000 years ago yet you have a problem about Muslims having the same belief as yours

TenQ:
Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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TenQ:


2. A pagan Arab would not be threatened with her daughter going to hell.

budaatum:


You must forgive buda for having a brain in head that knowing how to use it instead of letting ignorant others tell buda what is.

The pagan that one wants to convert from pre-Islamic non-muslim Arab and burying their daughters to Islam and not burying their daughters will be threatened with their daughter going to hell.

Judaism used the same tactic in making Adam ignorant and docile by lying to him that he would surely die if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And that same reasoning is still being used today to keep Nigerians backward and servile.

TenQ:

Why do you insist on believing a LIE ..

gaskiyamagana:

Another christianized Hadith. Sorry for those who were your comrades in this misguided and misleading mission. This is nothing but fake from fake source by fake evangelist for fake followers in NL.

budaatum:


The lie is believing there is a hell that anyone goes to when you know the dead are put in a box and put in the ground and covered with soil where they rot and become worm food or are burnt and become ashes.

budaatum:


You must forgive buda for having a brain in head that knowing how to use it instead of letting ignorant others tell buda what is.

The pagan that one wants to convert from pre-Islamic non-muslim Arab and burying their daughters to Islam and not burying their daughters will be threatened with their daughter going to hell.

Judaism used the same tactic in making Adam ignorant and docile by lying to him that he would surely die if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And that same reasoning is still being used today to keep Nigerians backward and servile.

TenQ:

BTW: It seems you don't know that private interpretation of the Qur'an or Hadith is not allowed in Islam

budaatum:


Sorry TenQ, but from where I am looking, you are practising your own private understanding of Islam while insisting you are not allowed or that the understanding you have adopted is the only understanding allowed.

You have after all come across various hadiths by various people that contradict each other and therefore show private interpretation is very much done in Islam, and that's apart from the various diverse interpretations presented to you here. You're even likely aware that there are various different sects of Islam too, which is clear evidence of private interpretation. Or would you like to argue that the boko haram interpretation is accepted by all Muslims?