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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:27am On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


Really? angry After all the supposed shenanigans of DA Kim Foxx?

Basilico, you must go and fire the judge that freed Jussie, and fire the DA that failed to have Jussie convicted, and even his lawyer that got his conviction overturned and the jury that let him go free as a bird, and you should start a new case against Jussie where you are the judge and the DA and Jussies's lawyer, and make sure you are the only juror too so you can find Jussie guilty so you can throw his Jussie ass in jail.

Also consider being the judge and the DA and the jury and Chauvin's lawyer too so you can free Chauvin too please.

Hunter Biden also got a sweetheart deal that a judge refused , doesn't matter Joe issued him a blanket pardon later.
Prosecutors have a wide discretion when it comes to who to charge and why.
Alvin Bragg dropped an ongoing Trump investigation when he got sworn in, several prosecutors resigned in protest. Later when Michael Colengalo left 4th ranked DOJ position as Deputy Assistant AG to be under Bragg , the case proceeded to conviction.

Prosecutors can use their powers for good or for bad

Hint. Don't forget that name Michael Colengalo, it will be reappearing in a few months. Of course negatively.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 8:30am On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


Really? angry After all the supposed shenanigans of DA Kim Foxx?

Basilico, you must go and fire the judge that freed Jussie, and fire the DA that failed to have Jussie convicted, and even his lawyer that got his conviction overturned and the jury that let him go free as a bird, and you should start a new case against Jussie where you are the judge and the DA and Jussies's lawyer, and make sure you are the only juror too so you can find Jussie guilty so you can throw his Jussie ass in jail.

Also consider being the judge and the DA and the jury and Chauvin's lawyer too so you can free Chauvin too please.

you really think the guy knows what double jeopardy is?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:13am On Dec 20, 2024
GloriousGbola:


you really think the guy knows what double jeopardy is?

I know exactly what it is. Kim Foxx got him to do community service and a small fine because... She had the power to.
After the outrage he went through a court process which determined his guilt in staging the hoax and lying to investigators. His hoax could have been a catalyst of MAGA supporters being lynched in the streets as revenge.It was no laughing matter.
I guess you would gleefully buy popcorn as people are lynched in the streets from the lies of a bloody f-aggot.
Kim Foxx initial handling of the case was despicable to say the least and in a truly just society she should have served his term instead.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:25am On Dec 20, 2024
Trump will ban abortions blah blah blah.

According to Sen. Josh Hawley, Kennedy plans to facilitate the return of popular Trump-era protections like a prohibition on taxpayer-funded abortions at home and abroad and a gag rule requiring institutions that receive Title X funding, like Planned Parenthood, to separate their medical care from their abortion activities. Kennedy also reportedly promised that the conscience protections the Biden administration worked overtime to undo would be restored.

Perhaps the most important commitment Kennedy made to Hawley is that “all of his deputies at HHS would be prolife.” As Students for Life of America President Kristan Hawkins



Trump must be stopped 😊😊😊😊
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:41am On Dec 20, 2024
Biden parting gift to Pelosi Ban stock trades by congress critters, the most notorious is Pelosi.

The Vigilant Fox 🦊

@VigilantFox
REPORT: Joe Biden is now seeking REVENGE on Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the coup leaders.

With Nancy stuck in the hospital recovering from a broken hip, Biden is floating the idea of BANNING members of Congress from trading stocks while in office.

He stated, “I think we should be changing the law that we have to abide by at the federal level—that nobody, nobody in the Congress should be able to make money in the stock market while they’re in the Congress.”

But
@JesseBWatters
isn't buying Biden’s timing. He reported:

“Biden didn’t want to ban Congress from insider trading during his entire 50-year career in D.C., but a month before he leaves, he gives Nancy a little gift. This isn’t about stopping corruption. It’s about getting retribution.”

“So if Nancy wants to get rich in the House, she might have to do it the old-fashioned way, peddling influence like the Big Guy.”



Nancy Pelosi has a tracker on X . Investors copy her trade options and invest in it. Some of her mind blowing investments are said to come from insider knowledge.

https://x.com/pelositracker_

In June and July, Pelosi purchased 20,000 shares of Nvidia. In November 2023, she purchased 50 Nvidia call options with a strike price of $120 and an expiration date of Dec. 20, 2024. Nvidia was the top-performing stock in the S&P 500 in 2023 and is the index's second top performer so far in 2024. Nvidia shares are up 188% since she purchased her

In June, Pelosi purchased 20 Broadcom call options with an $800 strike price expiring in June 2025. Broadcom underwent a 10-for-1 stock split in July, so the adjusted strike price on those call options is now $80


Ijebos do your excel sheets analyze Pelosi investments ,I doubt you was aware of how savvy she is, copy her and you can gloat all day here .
I'm not mean like you ghosting your girlfriend you see. I am sharing this little gem to help you maybe get and raise a family.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 1:41pm On Dec 20, 2024
Gerrard59:

It is funny how some people malign capitalism yet use the results of its system and work in profit-oriented organisations.

Further to the point on how the evil capitalist USA subsidizes European healthcare...

1) Novo Nordisk is an European drug company of the country Denmark.

Today the shares of the company dropped by about 20%. So I was listening to Bloomberg and the news anchor said "Novo Nordisk is basically the same as the Danish stock market" That got me interested, so I did a cursory look around.

2) Novo Nordisk gets over 70% of its sales from the USA.

3) Novo Nordisk sells its latest popular GLP injections for $1500 in the USA and less than $300 in Canada and Europe.

4) Novo Nordisk is about 2.5% of the Danish stock market.

Here's a little blob from Wikipedia...only for a quick look, one can research other authoritative sources....

4) The Novo Nordisk market capitalization of $570 billion is larger than the entire economy of Denmark,

5) Its $2.3 billion income tax bill for 2023 made it the largest taxpayer in the country, and its rapid growth was driving nearly all of the expansion of Denmark's economy.

It looks like the USA is subsidizing the entire Danish economy 😳 Something stinks in Denmark for sure.

Denmark is one of the most liberalized free markets in Europe. So you can imagine what the USA is doing for the others that are more socialist oriented.

It's really time for America First. I wish Mr Trump the best in his quest to MAGA.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 2:20pm On Dec 20, 2024
IbeOkehie:
It looks like the USA is subsidizing the entire Danish economy 😳 Something stinks in Denmark for sure.

If you were honest with your self, you'd say something stinks in USA for its citizens to be "subsidizing the entire Danish economy" instead of subsidising its own citizens healthcare.

I doubt its me you'd say something is wrong with if your money was feeding me while you starved, but correct me if I'm wrong please.

Oh. And its stock dropped because its fat drug it would have sold to you in US is a dud.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 2:45pm On Dec 20, 2024
Ijebos, your network of choice slashing salaries.


Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Far-left MSNBC host Joy Reid will have to take a pay cut if she wants to stay in her role at the network, according to The Ankler.

The news comes after Rachel Maddow was also reportedly forced to take a $5M pay cut.

Reid and Maddow aren't the only anchors impacted. Host Stephanie Ruhle also will reportedly need to take a pay cut.

Reid currently is making around $3M a year to host her show.

The development comes as ratings for the far-left network continue to slump after the 2024 election.


I wonder why. Maybe MSNBC wants to redistribute wealth.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:04pm On Dec 20, 2024
Jeffrey Bezos saved $1 B in taxes on capital gains by simply moving to Florida from Washington.

https://mynorthwest.com/4021240/bezos-saves-1-billion-taxes-after-moving-out-washington/

They kept saying Trump don't pay taxes, he told them to fix the laws he uses to reduce his tax bill. They went silent save for Obrigardo and feedthenation
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:06pm On Dec 20, 2024
Budaatum. This one is not a witch doctor. You might want to read his bio.

https://thelibertydaily.com/dr-mccullough-what-you-need-know-about-hydroxychloroquine/

He believes HCL healed him when he got infected with COVID.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:26pm On Dec 20, 2024
Anyone who doubts Liz Cheney don't go jail is severely compromised. Her key witness whom she spoke to without her lawyer, changed her testimony. Liz tried to disbar her lawyer
Cassidy Hutchinson also ruined her colleague and friends reputation .

https://x.com/_WilliamsonBen/status/1869196673995485339

I haven’t spoken much about the below incident publicly due to ongoing investigations — but given the good work of today’s House Admin report on the J6 Committee and its revelations on possible “witness tampering,” I’d like to share a relevant episode involving another fabrication from the Committee, Liz Cheney, and my former colleague Cassidy Hutchinson.

Almost three years ago, in early 2022, I got a phone call from Cassidy telling me her closed-door deposition with the J6 Committee (under subpoena) was approaching. Cassidy claimed to be worried that our old Trump WH colleagues, including our boss Mark Meadows, might think she was “disloyal” for following a subpoena and showing up to the deposition.

I cut her off mid-convo and responded: “No one will think you’re disloyal just for following a subpoena. And Mark would never, ever ask you to do anything other than the right thing and tell the truth. He wouldn’t think you’re disloyal.” She agreed, and the convo ended perfectly fine.

Months later, Cassidy appeared out of nowhere at her now infamous public J6 hearing, making completely outlandish claims untethered from reality — many of which were rightly disputed or shot down within minutes. But you may also recall that after Cassidy’s appearance, Liz Cheney put up a bizarre anonymous message on a big screen, allegedly received by Cassidy before her (aforementioned) private deposition. Cheney claimed it was evidence of “witness intimidation.”

The anonymous message Cheney displayed read, partly: “He (Meadows) told me you have your deposition tomorrow. He knows you're loyal, and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition.”

Via public news reports, I later learned this was in reference to me. It was a completely twisted, utterly nonsense re-telling of the phone convo where Cassidy had fretted to me about “loyalty.” She (and the Committee) embellished parts of the exchange, made up others, and spun it into a lie that appeared like witness intimidation.

The J6 Committee presented this account as factual — when it wasn’t — and then leaked my name to reporters to create the narrative that I was guilty.

In the weeks and months that followed, I faced accusations of criminal exposure over it – all over nonsense. Members like Dan Goldman publicly accused me of “witness tampering.” The FBI called me in for hours of questioning. Meanwhile, the J6 Committee never once followed up with me or my attorneys to ask me about this interaction before uncritically airing the dishonest version. It was all based on fabrications, yet the J6 Committee never even bothered to get the other side. It’s one of many reasons why none of their claims about President Trump, or frankly anyone else, should ever be believed.

This is just one story in a long list, and relatively, I ended up one of the lucky ones. But I’m glad to see the report today take the J6 Committee and their ‘star witness’ to task. They spread an untold amount of falsehoods about my friends, colleagues, and bosses, and forced many good people to defend themselves in ways they should’ve never had to. I will never forget it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:32pm On Dec 20, 2024
basilico:
Anyone who doubts Liz Cheney don't go jail is severely compromised. Her key witness whom she spoke to without her lawyer, changed her testimony. Liz tried to disbar her lawyer
Cassidy Hutchinson also ruined her colleague and friends reputation .

https://x.com/_WilliamsonBen/status/1869196673995485339

I haven’t spoken much about the below incident publicly due to ongoing investigations — but given the good work of today’s House Admin report on the J6 Committee and its revelations on possible “witness tampering,” I’d like to share a relevant episode involving another fabrication from the Committee, Liz Cheney, and my former colleague Cassidy Hutchinson.

Almost three years ago, in early 2022, I got a phone call from Cassidy telling me her closed-door deposition with the J6 Committee (under subpoena) was approaching. Cassidy claimed to be worried that our old Trump WH colleagues, including our boss Mark Meadows, might think she was “disloyal” for following a subpoena and showing up to the deposition.

I cut her off mid-convo and responded: “No one will think you’re disloyal just for following a subpoena. And Mark would never, ever ask you to do anything other than the right thing and tell the truth. He wouldn’t think you’re disloyal.” She agreed, and the convo ended perfectly fine.

Months later, Cassidy appeared out of nowhere at her now infamous public J6 hearing, making completely outlandish claims untethered from reality — many of which were rightly disputed or shot down within minutes. But you may also recall that after Cassidy’s appearance, Liz Cheney put up a bizarre anonymous message on a big screen, allegedly received by Cassidy before her (aforementioned) private deposition. Cheney claimed it was evidence of “witness intimidation.”

The anonymous message Cheney displayed read, partly: “He (Meadows) told me you have your deposition tomorrow. He knows you're loyal, and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition.”

Via public news reports, I later learned this was in reference to me. It was a completely twisted, utterly nonsense re-telling of the phone convo where Cassidy had fretted to me about “loyalty.” She (and the Committee) embellished parts of the exchange, made up others, and spun it into a lie that appeared like witness intimidation.

The J6 Committee presented this account as factual — when it wasn’t — and then leaked my name to reporters to create the narrative that I was guilty.

In the weeks and months that followed, I faced accusations of criminal exposure over it – all over nonsense. Members like Dan Goldman publicly accused me of “witness tampering.” The FBI called me in for hours of questioning. Meanwhile, the J6 Committee never once followed up with me or my attorneys to ask me about this interaction before uncritically airing the dishonest version. It was all based on fabrications, yet the J6 Committee never even bothered to get the other side. It’s one of many reasons why none of their claims about President Trump, or frankly anyone else, should ever be believed.

This is just one story in a long list, and relatively, I ended up one of the lucky ones. But I’m glad to see the report today take the J6 Committee and their ‘star witness’ to task. They spread an untold amount of falsehoods about my friends, colleagues, and bosses, and forced many good people to defend themselves in ways they should’ve never had to. I will never forget it.


Cassidy Hutchinson other lies summary.

1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of “the beast” and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.

Truth: President Trump was not in “the beast” on January 6th.

Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.

2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.

3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.

Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.

4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th.

Truth: Former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann wrote the note and testified to this fact under oath previously before the committee.

5.) Cassidy Hutchinson said her boss Mark Meadows called Roger Stone on January 5th to find out what would play out the next day on January 6th.

Truth: Roger Stone has never spoken to Mark Meadows outside of a conversation they held in a green room in 2019.

6.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Mark Meadows spoke with General Flynn on January 5th.

Truth: General Flynn has never had a phone conversation with Mark Meadows.

7.) Cassidy Hutchinson said General Flynn and Roger Stone participated by phone in a briefing in the war room in the Willard Hotel with Mark Meadows on January 5th.

Truth: Did not happen. Stone and Flynn have not spoken with Meadows on the phone, ever.

8.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Jeffrey Clark met with Rudy Giuliani and Trump campaign at White House.

Truth: This is false. They’ve never met or communicated.

9.) Cassidy Hutchinson testified that Trump’s White House counsel Pat Cipollone was at the White House on the morning of January 6, 2021.

Truth: Pat Cipollone was NOT at the White House on January 6


How evil can someone be .. Liz Cheney knew all these were lies,but she pushed them out as the gospel truth.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 6:13pm On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


If you were honest with your self, you'd say something stinks in USA for its citizens to be "subsidizing the entire Danish economy" instead of subsidising its own citizens healthcare.

I doubt its me you'd say something is wrong with if your money was feeding me while you starved, but correct me if I'm wrong please.

Oh. And its stock dropped because its fat drug it would have sold to you in US is a dud.

Again, stop personalizing. It's off putting. Come on.

My reply was for a mutual conversant, but I'll courteously give you a reply.

It's not about honesty, everyone has their own ideology and thus opinions. The best that can be said is that the results of our choices will be clear in 4 to 20 years. The best example of that is the policy choices made regarding fuel subsidy in Nigeria in 2012. The policies about tackling Covid were also debated, certain choices were made and massive world wide inflation was the result.

Most people have no idea at all that the USA massively subsidizes healthcare in other countries. It's not part of any conventional conversation about the cost of our healthcare but the experts know the truth of the matter. It's easy to criticize, but the GLP's that are the subject this morning are miracle drugs and the ONLY reason companies like Lilly and Novo Nordisk put effort into inventing them is the expectation of profit FROM THE USA. Anyone can argue anything, that true and simple FACT can never be taken away. I'm a pharmacist and I dispense these drugs everyday. I know they're making a difference.

By the way, the trial failure for the new Novo Nordisk drug was about COMPARED EFFICACY to other alternatives, not about side effects or dosing. The drug itself works, just not as good as others out there. It's not a dud. The payments game for meds is another subject altogether, best left alone here.

The next popular frontier for medicine is dementia medicines for diseases like Alzheimers. Many people all over have elderly relatives with dementia and I'm sure those in middle age are thinking about their own risks for the next 20 to 40 years of life remaining. USA subsidies for healthcare are right now driving drug companies all over the world to search for cures in that area. Whatever the arguments, people worldwide in every developed country should be thanking the USA for bearing the burdens that make miracle drugs possible.

Good Luck to Nigeria

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:21pm On Dec 20, 2024
IbeOkehie:
Most people have no idea at all that the USA massively subsidizes healthcare in other countries.

The USA is not massively subsidizing healthcare in other countries!

Your own politicians, who likely have shares in those companies and who also receive lobby money from them are the ones ripping you off of your tax money and not giving you the healthcare you deserve!

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:34pm On Dec 20, 2024
basilico:

He believes HCL healed him when he got infected with COVID.

He believes? Are you sure you are an engineer? I'm asking because you don't even sound like you did sciences.

Don't you think he should do proper research and collect verifiable evidence so he can prove to himself so he knows, and then present it to others so they can repeat his experiments and know too?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:44pm On Dec 20, 2024
IbeOkehie:


Again, stop personalizing. It's off putting. Come on.

My reply was for a mutual conversant, but I'll courteously give you a reply.

It's not about honesty, everyone has their own ideology and thus opinions. The best that can be said is that the results of our choices will be clear in 4 to 20 years. The best example of that is the policy choices made regarding fuel subsidy in Nigeria in 2012. The policies about tackling Covid were also debated, certain choices were made and massive world wide inflation was the result.

Most people have no idea at all that the USA massively subsidizes healthcare in other countries. It's not part of any conventional conversation about the cost of our healthcare but the experts know the truth of the matter. It's easy to criticize, but the GLP's that are the subject this morning are miracle drugs and the ONLY reason companies like Lilly and Novo Nordisk put effort into inventing them is the expectation of profit FROM THE USA. Anyone can argue anything, that true and simple FACT can never be taken away. I'm a pharmacist and I dispense these drugs everyday. I know they're making a difference.

By the way, the trial failure for the new Novo Nordisk drug was about COMPARED EFFICACY to other alternatives, not about side effects or dosing. The drug itself works, just not as good as others out there. It's not a dud. The payments game for meds is another subject altogether, best left alone here.

The next popular frontier for medicine is dementia medicines for diseases like Alzheimers. Many people all over have elderly relatives with dementia and I'm sure those in middle age are thinking about their own risks for the next 20 to 40 years of life remaining. USA subsidies for healthcare are right now driving drug companies all over the world to search for cures in that area. Whatever the arguments, people worldwide in every developed country should be thanking the USA for bearing the burdens that make miracle drugs possible.

Good Luck to Nigeria


On drug subsidies I agree with you that drugs in America are expensive
Insulin. I watched a documentary showing how only 3-4 companies monopolize it's manufacture. How they were able to produce lab insulin cheaply and in mass around 20-30; years ago How they have massive plants to produce insulin.
Insulin cost in Africa is low in countries I been to. Sone govts actually dispense it almost free of charge.

In the media are cases of Americans driving down to Mexico or Canada to buy insulin.
This article seems related to that YouTube video.

https://biotechhealth.com/how-is-insulin-made-by-biotechnology/

I would think other drugs fall in the same category. Very expensive in America and almost free in others
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:50pm On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


The USA is not massively subsidizing healthcare in other countries!

Your own politicians, who likely have shares in those companies and who also receive lobby money from them are the ones ripping you off of your tax money and not giving you the healthcare you deserve!

The real gist being that these medications can be affordable to both Americans and other people in other countries and the manufacturers can still walk away with large profits. But they don’t wanna hear that.

Standing on ten toes defending greedy people who use public funds to manufacture drugs and then turn around to charge 500x the cost of manufacturing because they have to recoup “their money”. For generations on end.

Tsk 😏

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:52pm On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


He believes? Are you sure you are an engineer? I'm asking because you don't even sound like you did sciences.

Don't you think he should do proper research and collect verifiable evidence so he can prove to himself so he knows, and then present it to others so they can repeat his experiments and know too?


You have any study that shows HCL doesn't heal COVID?
Don't bring up the one where they overdosed patients with advanced COVID majority of whom died. I have seen that study
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GloriousGbola: 8:18pm On Dec 20, 2024
cococandy:


The real gist being that these medications can be affordable to both Americans and other people in other countries and the manufacturers can still walk away with large profits. But they don’t wanna hear that.

Standing on ten toes defending greedy people who use public funds to manufacture drugs and then turn around to charge 500x the cost of manufacturing because they have to recoup “their money”. For generations on end.

Tsk 😏

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 8:28pm On Dec 20, 2024
GloriousGbola:
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And cancer it has become.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 8:36pm On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


1) The USA is not massively subsidizing healthcare in other countries!

2) Your own politicians, who likely have shares in those companies and who also receive lobby money from them are the ones ripping you off of your tax money and not giving you the healthcare you deserve!

1) The rote denial of the existence of subsidies isn't a unique Nigerian schtick, but our people are especially craven in their denial of the obvious. Worldwide, if it's not outright denial, the next claim is that those paying the subsidy are not helping anyone and MUST continue to pay because....they're White people, America is bad, colonialism, that's the only benefit they get, because slavery, billionaires don't need their money or just something or the other. It's so bad.

Next they will tell us USA doesn't subsidize the military defense and readiness of Europe. grin

2) The generality of Nigerians voted for Muhammadu Buhari in 2015 because they believed his assertion that "fuel subsidy doesn't exist." Never mind that fuel subsidy has been paid in Nigeria since 1973 and Buhari was a Petroleum Minister and President during that period. As President of Nigeria in 1984 he even negotiated fuel subsidy with the IMF. Anyone can find the story in the NY Times, Financial Times and other journalistic records.

Tell the average Nigerian that the diaspora subsidizes the Nigerian economy to the tune of $20 billion per year and they will likely answer with some choice insults and potent curses. grin grin grin Such discussions abound all over Nairaland.

3) The discussion on this thread contains a good explanation of how the USA is subsidizing the world's healthcare. Still it's denied. That's OK, I can still sense the bewilderment. The next one that will shock is that Red States actually subsidize Blue States on federal taxes. grin Yeah, but put some SALT in it and ask the IRS. What's the point? It will still be denied.

4) Subsidies are the MAJOR cause of corruption....this is NOT news, I've been writing it ALL over Nairaland for years. Anyone that's serious about stopping corruption should generally support withdrawal of most subsidies. The rub is that generally liberals and socialists insist that subsidies must continue while crying about corruption, a COMPLETEY contradictory position.

If the USA government STOPS Novo Nordisk from doing business in the USA or simply asks everyone to pay for their own medicines, the same liberals will cry.

The USA is subsidizing the discovery of important, life saving medicines that reduce costs and morbidity over the long term all over the world, yet a Black African liberal can wave it off like it's nothing when our own people have likely not discovered or made available a single important medicine. Even modern malaria treatments have ALL been developed and commercialized by Caucasians and Asians.

There's no winning when arguing with an ideology that encourages ENTITLEMENT to other people's money and hard work. Entitlement is sweeeet. Yes. It's a world wide sickness but particularly pernicious among Black Africans. Which is why their Continent is the poorest in the world and will remain so for loooooong into the future. And I think I've made every cogent point that needs to be made.

Goodbye.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 8:56pm On Dec 20, 2024
It’s not entitlement to expect that the medications your tax dollars paid for the research and manufacture of should be affordable to you.

I would quote you but you might get upset about that. grin

Also not saying those companies are not entitled to compensation. They are. But to the extent that the people whose taxes are being used to fund the research and development can’t afford it? SMH

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 9:12pm On Dec 20, 2024
I don't think you read my reply. Here's a repeat just in case.

cococandy:
It’s not entitlement to expect that the medications your tax dollars paid for the research and manufacture of should be affordable to you.

I would quote you but you might get upset about that. grin

Also not saying those companies are not entitled to compensation. They are. But to the extent that the people whose taxes are being used to fund the research and development can’t afford it? SMH

As long as the quote isn't rude, there's no problem.

Subsidies CAUSE corruption and high prices.

Anyone working or around academia and labs that get USA government funding knows this. grin There's complaints on this thread about CORRUPTION, government research funding is chock full of it.

Do I have to spell out the ways? The truth is that socialist and liberal idealogues have long seized on moral concerns and used it to EXPLOIT the government and subsidies created to fix problems they complain about. That's how Democrats have become the party of the CREDENTIALED class who collect government money by QUALIFICATIONS. Yep, all the PhD's vote Democrat while all the blue collar workers vote Republican.

Anyway I understand all these things. It's like the weather, hard to get upset because it's raining. Hopefully the clouds that have broken will lead to sustained sunshine. The USA can't go on like this, it just can't. Every reasonable person knows it. Thank goodness Trump won, hopefully he will set the country in a better direction.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:14pm On Dec 20, 2024
IbeOkehie:
1) The rote denial of the existence of subsidies isn't a unique Nigerian schtick...

Yawn. Or do you want to tell me how US that refuses to subsidise the healthcare of its own citizens but instead subsidises the rich, is the denial of subsidy?

Stop complaining when I am personal please. Politics is personal, unless you are legislating to personally swindle the public that is not personal to you.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:20pm On Dec 20, 2024
basilico:


You have any study that shows HCL doesn't heal COVID?

You are the one asserting HCL heals Covid.

You must provide evidence instead of trying to waste my time by sending me on some stupid wild goose chase as if I am your slave or something.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:33pm On Dec 20, 2024
IbeOkehie:


As long as the quote isn't rude, there's no problem.

Subsidies CAUSE corruption and high prices. Anyone working or around academia and labs that get USA government funding knows this. grin There's complaints on this thread about CORRUPTION, government research funding is chock full of it.

Do I have to spell out the ways? The truth is that socialist and liberal idealogues have long seized on moral concerns and used it to EXPLOIT the government and subsidies created to fix problems they complain about. That's how Democrats have become the party of the CREDENTIALED class who collect government money by QUALIFICATIONS. Yep, all the PhD's vote Democrat while all the blue collar workers vote Republican.

Anyway I understand all these things. It's like the weather, hard to get upset because it's raining. Hopefully the clouds that have broken will lead to sustained sunshine. The USA can't go on like this, it just can't. Every reasonable person knows it. Thank goodness Trump won, hopefully he will set the country in a better direction.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

You have equally been occasionally offensive, belittling and tone policing in your comments. Someone disagreeing with you or pointing out inconsistency is not rudeness. I could very well pick apart this your post and find areas that lean towards rudeness but that’s not why I’m here. So let’s move on.

I think if you’re against subsidies, it should be against subsidies for all. Not just no subsidies for individuals but billions for corporations. That’s what republicans are good for. Giving corporations welfare from the public coffers and starving their citizens while telling them the wealth will trickle down.

Decades of trickle down economics has shown it’s not working. Corporations just get greedier because their greed is rewarded with more tax payer funds. So if anyone is doing the thing they’re complaining about, it’s republicans.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 10:09pm On Dec 20, 2024
cococandy:


You have equally been occasionally offensive, belittling and tone policing in your comments. Someone disagreeing with you or pointing out inconsistency is not rudeness. I could very well pick apart this your post and find areas that lean towards rudeness but that’s not why I’m here. So let’s move on.

I think if you’re against subsidies, it should be against subsidies for all. Not just no subsidies for individual but billions for corporations. That’s what republicans are good for. Giving corporations welfare from the public coffers and starving their citizens while telling them the wealth will trickle down.

Decades of trickle down economics has shown it’s not working. Corporations just get greedier because their greed is rewarded with more tax payer funds. So if anyone is doing the thing they’re complaining about, it’s republicans.

Interesting a cardinal thesis of the comment I posted was ignored.

SUBSIDIES CAUSE CORRUPTION and INFLATION. grin For that reason, I support scrapping ALL subsidies to everyone and every corporation.

Hillary Clinton complained about Trump getting tax write offs.

Trump replied that Senator Clinton and her colleagues wrote the rules.

It's on video, one of their 2016 debates. Anyone can look it up.

Why won't these politicians simply scrap corporate welfare? It's CORRUPTION enabled by subsidies. Simple, nothing complicated about it.

When it comes to subsidies and taxes, it's the liberals, socialists and leftists who want them. And when those government measures are applied, they generally hurt those it's supposed to help. Nigerians should be very aware of this because their country is heavily subsidized, but for whatever reason they just aren't interested in examining why their country is a Zoo...instead they're more interested in imposing the same structure on the countries they migrate to. The thing is mind blowing.

In the 1960's liberals in the USA complained about women's rights and especially Black women. So welfare was devised as a way of government helping women, but it was mostly directed at Blacks, Whites were accidental beneficiaries of these reparations for slavery. The historical record is clear about these Great Society programs.

I challenge ANYONE to go check the stats. In 1950 under Jim Crow the Black American middle class was growing fast with stable families where 80% of children were born into two parent homes. They were engaged in the same kind of migration we Nigerians have engaged in to search for better lives and they ended up in Chicago, New York, Philly and other great cities of the North. Then came the Welfare check.

Welfare intended to help Black Women has instead destroyed the Black American Family. I think I saw a stat that Black poverty rates now are HIGHER than in 1950. Why? Because in the USA and EVERY COUNTRY, single parenthood tends to produce poverty. Today over 75% of Black children are born into single parent homes. Which for the vast majority of them means poverty.

What good did the welfare subsidy do?

It provided jobs for countless government bureaucrats, many of whom get their jobs by who they know, via nepotism.

Welfare subsidizes CORRUPTION. Anyone can go online and check food stamp and welfare fraud, especially those committed by government clerks and managers who operate the system.

So let the government STOP subsidizing research. I support that. Corporations should make their money in the market place. If insulin is priced too high, nobody will buy. People will - and are right now - going abroad for some medicines and surgeries. It's a free market, take the government out of it.

We know who will cry "but the poor will suffer" AND "it's immoral, healthcare is a natural right".

We can go on and on.....student loans? These have caused an EXPLOSIVE inflation of college costs. When universities realize anyone can get a loan, they raise prices. Simple, it's a DIRECT relationship PROVEN by extensive research done by the New York Federal Reserve.

When I came to the USA, I worked for 2 years before starting college. I paid for my tuition CASH at a top State University, $1500 per year. Today the same school charges $15,000 per year tuition alone. Yes!!! Where does the money go? Professors get paid millions in research grants. And who knows the kind of nepotism and corruption around building and maintenance contracts. CORRUPTION, that's what it is.

Then the first President George Bush pushed to make loans more available and here we are. Today it's almost impossible for a low wage worker. In fact the heavy subsidy of student loans have made university education something that is fast becoming out of reach for the poor and middle class. I know MANY White American parents that simply decided against college for their children.

Liberal solution? Forgive all student loans, tax the plumbers, carpenters and dishwashers and use the money to pay the student loans of middle class people. It's crazy. And the Biden Administration EXPLICITY ignored Supreme Court rulings to do it for many loan deadbeats.

Now Nigeria has introduced student loans. grin No prizes for guessing how it will go for the POOR who supposedly NEED this help.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 10:43pm On Dec 20, 2024
cococandy:
You have equally been occasionally offensive, belittling and tone policing in your comments.

His condescending "generality of Nigerians" infuriated me so much I barely constrained myself from jumping down the web and ripping his eyes and heart out, but I just moved on.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 11:09pm On Dec 20, 2024
So the plight of the African American community today has absolutely nothing to do with the war on drugs that oversaw the pumping of crack into black communities, the over policing and subsequent incarceration of black fathers for crimes that white fathers got a pat on the back for?

The massacre of multiple successful black communities and looting of their properties? They were told to develop themselves and when they did, their communities got burnt to the ground.

Nope. If we let republican propaganda tell it, it’s all because of govt aid.

Since there’s data to show that white families are also dependent on govt aid, why hasn’t the same fate befallen them?

If student loans are what caused the rise in college tuition? I’m assuming you’re blaming all inflation on govt aid then? Food cost, housing cost, transportation etc. all have increased since the last time you paid for your college education. Was every hike in price a direct consequence of govt aid? If you say yes, I disagree. No explanation needed.

That being said, Correlation is not causation Mr Okehie.
IbeOkehie:


Interesting a cardinal thesis of the comment I posted was ignored.

SUBSIDIES CAUSE CORRUPTION and INFLATION. grin For that reason, I support scrapping ALL subsidies to everyone and every corporation.

Hillary Clinton complained about Trump getting tax write offs.

Trump replied that Senator Clinton and her colleagues wrote the rules.

It's on video, one of their 2016 debates. Anyone can look it up.

Why won't these politicians simply scrap corporate welfare? It's CORRUPTION enabled by subsidies. Simple, nothing complicated about it.

When it comes to subsidies and taxes, it's the liberals, socialists and leftists who want them. And when those government measures are applied, they generally hurt those it's supposed to help. Nigerians should be very aware of this because their country is heavily subsidized, but for whatever reason they just aren't interested in examining why their country is a Zoo...instead they're more interested in imposing the same structure on the countries they migrate to. The thing is mind blowing.

In the 1960's liberals in the USA complained about women's rights and especially Black women. So welfare was devised as a way of government helping women, but it was mostly directed at Blacks, Whites were accidental beneficiaries of these reparations for slavery. The historical record is clear about these Great Society programs.

I challenge ANYONE to go check the stats. In 1950 under Jim Crow the Black American middle class was growing fast with stable families where 80% of children were born into two parent homes. They were engaged in the same kind of migration we Nigerians have engaged in to search for better lives and they ended up in Chicago, New York, Philly and other great cities of the North. Then came the Welfare check.

Welfare intended to help Black Women has instead destroyed the Black American Family. I think I saw a stat that Black poverty rates now are HIGHER than in 1950. Why? Because in the USA and EVERY COUNTRY, single parenthood tends to produce poverty. Today over 75% of Black children are born into single parent homes. Which for the vast majority of them means poverty.

What good did the welfare subsidy do?

It provided jobs for countless government bureaucrats, many of whom get their jobs by who they know, via nepotism.

Welfare subsidizes CORRUPTION. Anyone can go online and check food stamp and welfare fraud, especially those committed by government clerks and managers who operate the system.

So let the government STOP subsidizing research. I support that. Corporations should make their money in the market place. If insulin is priced too high, nobody will buy. People will - and are right now - going abroad for some medicines and surgeries. It's a free market, take the government out of it.

We know who will cry "but the poor will suffer" AND "it's immoral, healthcare is a natural right".

We can go on and on.....student loans? These have caused an EXPLOSIVE inflation of college costs. When universities realize anyone can get a loan, they raise prices. Simple, it's a DIRECT relationship PROVEN by extensive research done by the New York Federal Reserve.

When I came to the USA, I worked for 2 years before starting college. I paid for my tuition CASH at a top State University, $1500 per year. Today the same school charges $15,000 per year tuition alone. Yes!!! Where does the money go? Professors get paid millions in research grants. And who knows the kind of nepotism and corruption around building and maintenance contracts. CORRUPTION, that's what it is.

Then the first President George Bush pushed to make loans more available and here we are. Today it's almost impossible for a low wage worker. In fact the heavy subsidy of student loans have made university education something that is fast becoming out of reach for the poor and middle class. I know MANY White American parents that simply decided against college for their children.

Liberal solution? Forgive all student loans, tax the plumbers, carpenters and dishwashers and use the money to pay the student loans of middle class people. It's crazy. And the Biden Administration EXPLICITY ignored Supreme Court rulings to do it for many loan deadbeats.

Now Nigeria has introduced student loans. grin No prizes for guessing how it will go for the POOR who supposedly NEED this help.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 11:18pm On Dec 20, 2024
budaatum:


His condescending "generality of Nigerians" infuriated me so much I barely constrained myself from jumping down the web and ripping his eyes and heart out, but I just moved on.
It was definitely condescending.

Sometimes I just wanna give people grace that maybe they don’t realize how they’re coming across. Especially with long posts back to back and somewhat heated exchanges in between. Personalities can get muddied. And I hope that was the case with him.

I applaud you for constraining yourself.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 11:51pm On Dec 20, 2024
cococandy:

So the plight of the African American community today has absolutely nothing to do with the war on drugs that oversaw the pumping of crack into black communities, the over policing and subsequent incarceration of black fathers for crimes that white fathers got a pat on the back for?

The massacre of multiple successful black communities and looting of their properties? They were told to develop themselves and when they did, their communities got burnt to the ground.

Nope. If we let republican propaganda tell it, it’s all because of govt aid.

Since there’s data to show that white families are also dependent on govt aid, why hasn’t the same fate befallen them?

If student loans are what caused the rise in college tuition? I’m assuming you’re blaming all inflation on govt aid then? Food cost, housing cost, transportation etc. all have increased since the last time you paid for your college education. Was every hike in price a direct consequence of govt aid? If you say yes, I disagree. No explanation needed.

That being said, Correlation is not causation Mr Okehie.

1) Senator Joe Biden wrote the 1994 Crime Bill that is widely acknowledged by both liberals and conservatives as having caused the biggest cohort of Black African imprisonment in history. Yes, slavery & racial prejudice is a MAJOR cause of whatever negative disparities afflict Black America today. What I pointed out is that Black America in 1950 was in the middle of a trend of reduced poverty which reversed a few years after Great Society welfare was introduced.

Yes slavery & racial discrimination were MAJOR wrong, but they were DELIBERATE EVIL.

Welfare - supposedly devised to help Black America - REVERSED a lot of gains that were being made. It's not a coincidence that single parenthood started getting popular for ALL RACES when welfare was introduced. So yes, the same trend is happening with White Americans. There's copious studies outlining this.

This very liberal NPR station report from 2018 cites the data. Very easy to see.

https://whyy.org/articles/rate-of-births-to-white-single-moms-accelerates/

From the article - they blame inability of poor women to match up with economically stable men as a CAUSE of single parenthood. Which is wrong, but let's accept it. The REASON richer men are increasingly reluctant to marry poorer women is very clear to anyone paying attention.....it's another morality based policy making gone wrong, but let's not get into that here.

As with low-income minority women, many disadvantaged white women believe they’re better off having babies and cohabiting with men, or simply living on their own, than marrying men who are suffering economically, experts say.

Misunderstood as reckless people who use babies to leverage welfare cash, many single mothers actually are making rational decisions, based on meager circumstances and limited choices, experts say.

“There’s an economic basis for marriage, and if both spouses can’t earn livings, it takes away the underpinning for marriage,” said Deborah Weinstein, executive director of the Coalition on Human Needs, a Washington nonprofit that focuses on poverty.

“But it doesn’t take away the longing for children. So, children will be born in the absence of marriage.

“To us it’s clear, then, that poverty causes unwed motherhood.”

Welfare encourages single parenthood. For a poor woman, it's better to marry Uncle Sam who is far richer than most men out there. grin

About student loans, yes the cost of everything increased but NOT AS MUCH as college tuition.

Housing is a good example. In the same town I went to college, rent in the apartment I lived while in school has gone from $350 to $1200...the very same apartment, while tution has gone from $1500 to $15000. The difference is clear.

The Federal Reserve of New York did the definitive study almost a decade ago I think. It's well known, the conclusion is that 60% of tuition inflation is caused by student loan subsidy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=New+York+federal+reserve+study+on+student+loans+and+tuition+inflation&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=New+York+federal+reserve+study+on+student+loans+and+tuition+inflation&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTE4ODEyajBqOagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Many things cited by liberals as malevolence collapse in the face of systematic examination. They just don't hold up.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 12:41am On Dec 21, 2024
cococandy:

It was definitely condescending.

Sometimes I just wanna give people grace that maybe they don’t realize how they’re coming across. Especially with long posts back to back and somewhat heated exchanges in between. Personalities can get muddied. And I hope that was the case with him.

I applaud you for constraining yourself.

I must give people grace, even when they do know how they come across. Its like turning the other cheek. I find they either get tired of slapping and we grow together or my cheeks get stronger.

Besides, I can't exactly be Human Rights and then go about being an ass now can I, except to the resident stupid idiot of course. Now that piece of what comes out of a rear end is a different category all together.

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