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Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Baso2019: 3:26pm On Jan 05
How come the Afenifere, Yoruba Elders, Ohaneze and SE governors and leaders are just quiet on this Tax Bill.

Don't they have an opinion in support or against?

If the North is so outspoken about this why can't the other regions stand up in support of the President
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Deepthoughts: 3:34pm On Jan 05
Gajagojo:

Inheritance tax is not VAT able. There is nothing like that in the bill.
Inheritance tax is a personal income tax and therefore a Subnational issue. States will collect it
Any Northern state that does not wish to collect it can omit it
That should not apply across the country especially since it is being pushed on religious grounds.
No one came to this world with anything and so when they die their wealth should be taxable.

What many of you fail to realize is that the VAT has already been determined by the court. It is a state tax.
That court judgment was a response to a constitutional inquiry by Rivers State government. That judgment has not been overturned and so it is the status quo

All the legislation about VAT is a waste of time if that judgment is not overturned by the Supreme Court
What that means is even if the law is passed. Rivers state can approach the Supreme court to repeal THOSE PARTS of the law that have to do with VAT

Tinubu must already know this and is just allowing the North to deceive themselves. He is more interested in the other parts of the bills because the VAT matter is ALREADY SETTLED. It is a state tax 100%
What I know about this tax bills issue is that while the government is afraid that it might lost the support of the people if it publishes the full details of the bills the north are afraid not to be tagged as religious bigots n retrogressives n so they are playing hide n seek with their approach in opposing the bills, from the snipets I got elsewhere,the, bills has something to do with intermittence tax which the Muslims are against as it is forbidden in Islam,the north would want the tax to shared centrally n the VAT net should be expanded to include livestocks which they feel would give them an advantage,I don't really think anyone stand to loss much ifPhe North's position is absorbed, I'm very certain that many in the south wouldn't accept inheritance been taxed,I don't support it either, individuals are suppose to pay tax while alive n doing business so what the point of taxing inheritance again?, there's certainly deceptions on both side of the divide as far as these tax bills are concerned.

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Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Santalpharay: 3:34pm On Jan 05
Curious345:
The northern elders are highly educated . Most of them emeritus professors

So as professors, in what way have they impacted positively to Nigeria. Same goes with all these judges who are pocketed by mere polithiefians in Nigeria after their years of learning. Tufiakwa!
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Santalpharay: 3:43pm On Jan 05
Funflipper:


All products of quota system.

Just let them sit for a simple exam. I want to check something. Where is that one that used to carry cow bag up and down.🤣🤣🤣
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 3:55pm On Jan 05
Deepthoughts:
What I know about this tax bills issue is that while the government is afraid that it might lost the support of the people if it publishes the full details of the bills the north are afraid not to be tagged as religious bigots n retrogressives n so they are playing hide n seek with their approach in opposing the bills, from the snipets I got elsewhere,the, bills has something to do with intermittence tax which the Muslims are against as it is forbidden in Islam,the north would want the tax to shared centrally n the VAT net should be expanded to include livestocks which they feel would give them an advantage,I don't really think anyone stand to loss much ifPhe North's position is absorbed, I'm very certain that many in the south wouldn't accept inheritance been taxed,I don't support it either, individuals are suppose to pay tax while alive n doing business so what the point of taxing inheritance again?, there's certainly deceptions on both side of the divide as far as these tax bills are concerned.

Sir how much schooling did you complete? e.g Bachelor's Masters etc
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by frankputer: 4:07pm On Jan 05
This is why he shouted subsidy is gone from day 1
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by 77up(m): 5:11pm On Jan 05
Curious345:
The northern elders are highly educated . Most of them emeritus professors
Mention their names please...
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Ulogwe1: 5:23pm On Jan 05
No going back.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Morenikeji090(m): 5:37pm On Jan 05
lol oloriburuku
Curious345:
Yes I don't support it either ..

You don't tax poverty. . you tax productivity
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by bixton(m): 6:03pm On Jan 05
Deepthoughts:
What I know about this tax bills issue is that while the government is afraid that it might lost the support of the people if it publishes the full details of the bills the north are afraid not to be tagged as religious bigots n retrogressives n so they are playing hide n seek with their approach in opposing the bills, from the snipets I got elsewhere,the, bills has something to do with intermittence tax which the Muslims are against as it is forbidden in Islam,the north would want the tax to shared centrally n the VAT net should be expanded to include livestocks which they feel would give them an advantage,I don't really think anyone stand to loss much ifPhe North's position is absorbed, I'm very certain that many in the south wouldn't accept inheritance been taxed,I don't support it either, individuals are suppose to pay tax while alive n doing business so what the point of taxing inheritance again?, there's certainly deceptions on both side of the divide as far as these tax bills are concerned.


You're right about it all. There's something hidden that's why the North is speaking half truths and pulling up sentiments and the FG is playing tom and Jerry and the entire South seems to take it whole and sinker( hook, line and sinker) and one wonders why......

As regards the inheritance tax, I just wonder what was/is going up in the head of whoever thought about such....
Anyways we await whenever they pass the bills...
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 6:08pm On Jan 05
bixton:



You're right about it all. There's something hidden that's why the North is speaking half truths and pulling up sentiments and the FG is playing tom and Jerry and the entire South seems to take it whole and sinker( hook, line and sinker) and one wonders why......

As regards the inheritance tax, I just wonder what was/is going up in the head of whoever thought about such....
Anyways we await whenever they pass the bills...
What does the bill say about inheritance tax?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by bixton(m): 6:16pm On Jan 05
Gajagojo:
What does the bill say about inheritance tax?



I asked someone online when I came across it and the person said that it's taxable.
I don't know if it's true and I don't think I want to read about it till the bill is finally passed so I can read the approved version.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 6:19pm On Jan 05
bixton:




I asked someone online when I came across it and the person said that it's taxable.
I don't know if it's true and I don't think I want to read about it till the bill is finally passed so I can read the approved version.
Well it is not smart forming opinions and spreading them without reading the bill

Is there actually anything like that in the bill?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 6:22pm On Jan 05
boxypane:

How many states are actually productive? How many can generate as much as they collect in Federal Allocation? It's high time the ruins in Governance are pushed back to the states with poor, deluded and confused Governors... And most of them are in the North.
That's a lie
Only 3 out of the 36 states in Nigeria can survive without FAAC

What is productivity again

Suddenly every ignoramus thinks VAT is a sign of productivity
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 6:23pm On Jan 05
blabulu2000:


I believe you learned your economic theory from Senator Alli Ndume...because you both sound alike... Copy and paste comment
I learned it from senator Oji Kalu
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by bixton(m): 6:25pm On Jan 05
Gajagojo:
Well it is not smart forming opinions and spreading them without reading the bill

Is there actually anything like that in the bill?

I am telling you what someone told me here in NL and you're accusing me.......
Have you read the bill, because even those responsible for passing it have not entirely read it!!!!
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 6:27pm On Jan 05
professorPABX:


Illiteracy is not restricted to ability to read and write. Ignorance and stupidity are hallmarks of deficiency of knowledge.

Few months ago Bill Gate was in Nigeria and he visited Tinubu in the company of DANGOTE. He complained bitterly about the poor Tax System in Nigeria. I never knew Tax Bills are being written. He said the development of Nigeria and its economy are being hampered by poor Tax system.

Nigeria cannot remain underdeveloped forever. Tinubu government is the only government that started infrastructure project weeks after assumption of office. This is despite a budget where 97% is committed to servicing debt with fiscal and monetary crisis. There is change of currency, cashless policy and backlog of foreign currency to be paid to Airlines and multinationals. We buy =N=5,000 cash with transfer or ATM withdrawal of =N=8,000 from POS operators. You queue for hours to withdraw 2K or 5K from Banks. There was riots in some towns in South South and South West where Banks are burnt.

The Northern Elders Forum did not say anything. Till date, the Northern Elders Forum didn't ask questions on how $27 billion was left in treasury with only about $6 billion accessible to a country with population of over 200 million people and some debts matured and awaited to be serviced.

They don't want tax but they want oil money. If the oil money ceases everybody will find it's way out

I wonder where you got your professorship from where you were taught to start a debate with an insult. To top it up, you resorted to lies. I challenge you to show any figure or statistics to prove your claim that 97% of the budget was used to service debts. I suspect you're a professor from bolekaja school of economics.

When did Bill Gates talk about taxes in Nigeria? Share the link or you're just a pathological liar

Lastly, explain the Nexus between tax and economic development
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 6:30pm On Jan 05
ColonelMichael:


Tax reform is here to stay, all these nonsense you just said made no meaning.
Whether it's here to stay or not

Taxation does not lead to economic prosperity

If it did, buhari will not leave us with more debts than ever

Tinubu should get to work on the economy he tanked instead of distracting us with tax
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 6:30pm On Jan 05
eleniyan2020:
one sense no de my head...
If you say so
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 6:31pm On Jan 05
bixton:


I am telling you what someone told me here in NL and you're accusing me.......
Have you read the bill, because even those responsible for passing it have not entirely read it!!!!
Accuse you of what? Do you even understand English? Someone told you and so you must tell someone? Listen to yourself . DO you sound like you have sense?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Deepthoughts: 6:54pm On Jan 05
Gajagojo:


Sir how much schooling did you complete? e.g Bachelor's Masters etc
why is this of any importance to you at this juncture?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 6:59pm On Jan 05
Deepthoughts:
why is this of any importance to you at this juncture?
Honestly because you are sounding quite ignorant so I am wondering whether it is a matter of schooling or intrinsic low intelligence

Have you read the bill
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Deepthoughts: 7:08pm On Jan 05
bixton:



You're right about it all. There's something hidden that's why the North is speaking half truths and pulling up sentiments and the FG is playing tom and Jerry and the entire South seems to take it whole and sinker( hook, line and sinker) and one wonders why......

As regards the inheritance tax, I just wonder what was/is going up in the head of whoever thought about such....
Anyways we await whenever they pass the bills...
Thanks much,i realize most unfortunately that the discourse around the proposed tax reform bills has just taken a north vs south argument with out proper knowledge n scrutiny by the public while in government circle they are playing hide n seek against each other,it really appears to me that the proponents of the bills want to take the other off guard while the opponents of the bills seriously suspect foul play but nobody want to come clean

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Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by bixton(m): 7:44pm On Jan 05
Gajagojo:
Accuse you of what? Do you even understand English? Someone told you and so you must tell someone? Listen to yourself . DO you sound like you have sense?


Oga/madam sense can you tell me what is in the bill that your northern brothers are kicking against and that your southern colleagues aren't not saying anything......
Please tell me the entire non sense of it all.
It's quite clear your sense is so senseless.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by boxypane: 7:53pm On Jan 05
Agbegbaorogboye:

That's a lie
Only 3 out of the 36 states in Nigeria can survive without FAAC

What is productivity again

Suddenly every ignoramus thinks VAT is a sign of productivity
You're not getting it sir, I didn't qualify VAT total of a state as a sign for productivity, rather I described the action/policy to expose the lack of productivity by 80% of the states, which all boils down to poor leadership.
Do you even know how much these same useless states borrow from international sources aside the Federal Allocations?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:07pm On Jan 05
boxypane:

You're not getting it sir, I didn't qualify VAT total of a state as a sign for productivity, rather I described the action/policy to expose the lack of productivity by 80% of the states, which all boils down to poor leadership.
Do you even know how much these same useless states borrow from international sources aside the Federal Allocations?
And how will tax or VAT allocation solve the problem of low productivity?
In one breath, FG claims to be pursuing principles of free market economy. In another breath, we're blaming state govts for low productivity.
Most Nigerians don't really understand economic principles or concepts. They just go with popular opinion or reduce it to ethnic or regional sentiments.
Taxation is not an economic development tool. Rather, it's a fiscal tool just like subsidy removal. Most do not realise this. They just think North are parasites while South are rich.
For example, all states in SE are parasites if we go strictly by VAT collection and allocation statistics. But I've seen a lot of SE guys jump on the bandwagon of calling North parasites on this VAT issue.
This shows why it is always argued that SE is not politically intelligent. This VAT issue would have been the best opportunity for SE to find common ground and align with the North but they are too steeped in seeing anything North as bad not to realise where they are supposed to stand on the matter.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Bluntemperor: 9:58pm On Jan 05
Nothing to suspend!
Why don't Northerners want to be Accountable and Transparent?
What are they hiding in Govt-to their People and even the Youths that Real Governance is affecting their Future?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gboom: 10:39pm On Jan 05
Sparrk007:
I love the way Tinubu showing the northerners shege banza and it dey sweet my belle, the next election them go used their heads. Useless stinky bastards
Use their head no mean say them go vote for ya brother wey be an infidel to them.

Tax reforms will be advantageous to their masses if they can be encouraged to be productive.
Northern elders are just fighting against free allocation they tend to lose
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Deepthoughts: 1:22am On Jan 06
Gajagojo:
Honestly because you are sounding quite ignorant so I am wondering whether it is a matter of schooling or intrinsic low intelligence

Have you read the bill
It's ok,thank you for the insults n also arrogantly pointing out my ignorance n low intelligence,it really showed your maturity character n level of discipline,now can you please enlightened me with your super knowledge n intelligence about what the bills entails in detail?
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Gajagojo: 1:26am On Jan 06
Deepthoughts:
It's ok,thank you for the insults n also arrogantly pointing out my ignorance n low intelligence,it really showed your maturity character n level of discipline,now can you please enlightened me with your super knowledge n intelligence about what the bills entails in detail?
No
The Bill is online go and read it

You need to spend less time on Social media and when you come just read and go don't comment.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by Deepthoughts: 1:35am On Jan 06
Gajagojo:
No
The Bill is online go and read it

You need to spend less time on Social media and when you come just read and go don't comment.

You are so cocky,you think you you know it all,but las las you would be humbled, already the president is reported to have sent emissaries to the northern governors, let's await the final outcome, sometimes what is needed is tact not just gragra.
Re: Northern Elders Forum Opposes Tinubu's Tax Reform Bills,calls For Suspension by boxypane: 5:33am On Jan 06
Agbegbaorogboye:

And how will tax or VAT allocation solve the problem of low productivity?
In one breath, FG claims to be pursuing principles of free market economy. In another breath, we're blaming state govts for low productivity.
Most Nigerians don't really understand economic principles or concepts. They just go with popular opinion or reduce it to ethnic or regional sentiments.
Taxation is not an economic development tool. Rather, it's a fiscal tool just like subsidy removal. Most do not realise this. They just think North are parasites while South are rich.
For example, all states in SE are parasites if we go strictly by VAT collection and allocation statistics. But I've seen a lot of SE guys jump on the bandwagon of calling North parasites on this VAT issue.
This shows why it is always argued that SE is not politically intelligent. This VAT issue would have been the best opportunity for SE to find common ground and align with the North but they are too steeped in seeing anything North as bad not to realise where they are supposed to stand on the matter.
I think you should really check what the TAX REFORM bill is all about.

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