swiz123:


Take your trash and feed it to your low IQ sheep. Havertz was solid for Arsenal as a midfielder and above average as a false 9. He is not a striker and I am sure you can see that clearly even in your foolishness.

That's why the fans couldn't wait to chase him when he played midfield. Even the dumbest Arsenal fan knows more football than you, forming intellectual over Havertz matter, gaslighting us that we are dumb and didn't have eyes, when we could all see he lacked EVERYTHING you need from a midfielder

Capaldi:

Those big chances missed for drogba is clearly a mistake. The fact you believed Drogba only missed 13 big chances in 8 seasons is amusing. Epl site is showing 1 big chances for Henry.

https://www.premierleague.com/players/1659/Thierry-Henry/stats

See me see trouble. Am I the one that posted the stats? Take it up with the person that did nau.

If you can find the stats and show it then do so.

swiz123:
Make una forgive BlueRayDick. Mentioning modern strikers outscoring older strikers when Havertz, Jesus and recently Nketiah are his team's strikers points to nothing but PTSD.

Get over yesterday's loss and look forward to a brighter future. If you ever need anyone to talk to to ease your pain, you can inbox me.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

BlueRayDick:


The quality of strikers have dipped and the current strikers are doing far better numbers than the old school strikers did ? How?

Really? You brought 1 player who has a better goal ratio in a tiny sample size of league games as proof that current strikers are doing far better.

A player that is only playing in the league mind you

BlueRayDick:

U must show us one thing that is measurable that u feel the old players can do that the new players can’t . U tried to show skills using Drogba as a case study but that has been shut down immediately because there’s actually no skill shown in the video that is out of this world that some of the current players are not doing and scoring goals to back it up . Neyamr does all those tekkers and still scored loads of goals for club and country playing the attacking role .

Baba look for another thing and bring another set of video compilation . That Drogba own no fly

You named Isak. What are his exploits outside Newcastle, players that have literally done nothing for club and country. I didn't see Sweden at the last Euros. Why?

Name the so called strikers today bar Haaland and what they've done in elite Europe. What titles are they driving their teams to. Since you want measurables

Who are the out and out strikers leading and deciding titles for their teams in today's games. You dey call Isak and Ollie Watkins

Capaldi:

Now its freekicks and taking corners lol. Your metrics are laughable.

Just small example of the technical edge he has over them. They can't do what he does, while he can do everything they can.

Superior header of the ball, can score with both feet, can provide dead balls and score from set pieces.

airmark:




If you mention Haaland, Gyokeres, Osimhen, Isak, you will be gazing at your ceiling for several seconds before you could remember another manageable striker in this era.

All your Dovbyk, Guirassy, muniz are not manageable enough to remember them quickly.

popizaino:


Look no further,Welbeck who use to be like man urinated 4th striker in 2013 is now the first man on Brighton's list.

At a point,man city,had Adebayor,Balotteli,Aguero,Dzeko as their strikers and all the strikers can comfortably lead the line alone,today if they don't use Haaland they would be back to improvising a winger as a manshift striker but i am to believe the quality of strikers/football isn't diminishing because the new ones happen to score more.

Lol. Where Welbeck wan see shirt where Berbatov, Tevez and Rooney dey?

I don't know why people just enjoy arguing nonsense.

Look at Tottenham, their starting 9 is Dominic Solanke

Liverpool have gone from Owen, Torres to Darwin Nunez

Let our stat merchants bring out goal ratio and show us how Solanke is better than Berbatov and Nunez better than Torres

Arsenal fan battling with Gabriel Jesus and Kai Havertz is in denial that quality of strikers have dipped. Wonders will never end

A40:

Really? You brought 1 player who has a better goal ratio in a tiny sample size of league games as proof that current strikers are doing far better.

A player that is only playing in the league mind you


You named Isak. What are his exploits outside Newcastle, players that have literally done nothing for club and country. I didn't see Sweden at the last Euros. Why?

Name the so called strikers today bar Haaland and what they've done in elite Europe. What titles are they driving their teams to. Since you want measurables

Who are the out and out strikers leading and deciding titles for their teams in today's games. You dey call Isak and Ollie Watkins

So it is now about mentioning another player not named Isak right? Remember what led to this discussion was u dropping a video compilation trying to prove that there aren't strikers who are as skillful as Drogba was shown in the video clip.

That was the reason I mentioned Isak to show u that indeed there are strikers who score as much as Drogba did and still possess skills that u are trying to use to prop Drogba.

Talking about out and out strikers who are proven goal scorers, is Lewandoski as Efiggy ? Is Luiz Suarez a goal keeper?

All these talk about past players being the best thing after slice bread, it's just nostalgia at work and nothing else. There will always be players in the future that will play better than and break records of past players.

Ibime:


That's why the fans couldn't wait to chase him when he played midfield. Even the dumbest Arsenal fan knows more football than you, forming intellectual over Havertz matter, gaslighting us that we are dumb and didn't have eyes, when we could all see he lacked EVERYTHING you need from a midfielder

I often spot no difference between your football opinion and that of an ogogoro drinking egbon adugbo. Havertz was moved to false 9 because of his aerial strength, mobility and ability to multi task as a midfield cum striker.

Whenever a striker is used, Havertz is quickly moved back to midfield. If Arsenal sign a striker today, Havertz will retain his position in midfield.

How is it that despite the numerous nonsense you type about Havertz, every coach always found a way to play him while your razz Mason Mount struggles. We also saw how your favorite midfielder Horjbjerg who has all the qualities you admire retired from football at 28. You are just shameless.

There's no comparison between you and I on football matters as I can drop better takes than you even when I am half asleep.

A40:
Isak is not Drogba level. Speaks to overall mediocrity of strikers and ball today that we are wowed by Isak, he's good too make no mistake about it but camaan

I wouldn’t want to bring down drogba for Isak but Isak is doing good with goal ratio and the skills you just mention

swiz123:


I often spot no difference between your football opinion and that of an ogogoro drinking egbon adugbo. Havertz was moved to false 9 because of his aerial strength, mobility and ability to multi task as a midfield cum striker.

Whenever a striker is used, Havertz is quickly moved back to midfield. If Arsenal sign a striker today, Havertz will retain his position in midfield.

How is it that despite the numerous nonsense you type about Havertz, every coach always found a way to play him while your razz Mason Mount struggles. We also saw how your favorite midfielder Horjbjerg who has all the qualities you admire retired from football at 28. You are just shameless.

There's no comparison between you and I on football matters as I can drop better takes than you even when I am half asleep.

Blueraydick, Can you confirm this?

BlueRayDick:

That's why I was asking him if he actually knows the player or he just checked Transfer market website and started calling him a striker.

So, at what point did Sergio Ramos become a CB and not a RB? Oh, he is also RB and not a CB since that's where he started from and played a lot of matches as RB.

Unlimited22:


Lol my guy. No allow stanship choke your neck.
There's a reason Havertz has been chased away from midfield at every club he's played in

So Havertz played the whole midfield alone to make Arsenal's midfield better than Chelsea's own?

Haba now, my guy

If Havertz was playing rubbish like BlueRayDick wanted us to believe, then the evidence of his poor game would have been evident in Arsenal's midfield. Instead, they were strongly competing for the title.

Blueray is a fake fan.

BlueRayDick:


This ur submission just shows u don't watch Arsenal matches

Havertz made Arssenal midfield solid? Lmao

Then why didn't his involvement make Arsenal's midfield loose?

BlueRayDick:


Lolz.

Let him be whining himself. He said Havertz made Arsenal midfield solid ; Somebody that was chased upfront to allow real midfielders do their job while he feeds off their hardwork. Sometimes he will still play shot directly at goalkeeper after those ones must have toiled in midfield and set him up to score cheap goals. The Same Havertz that can't even pass well; in fact he doesn't have the passing ability of any of our midfielders. Wingers like Trossard even play midfield better than Havertz the so called solid midfielder.

Man shot himself in the foot when he mentioned Harvertz as an average strikers and turned around to call him above average

Ihebu4chelsea:
Blueraydick, Can you confirm this?

Swiz is just doing everything possible to stan Haverz ni jare. Every Arsenal player knows Havertz is useless in midfield. There's no obvious quality of midfielder u can point to that he excels at.

He is not a good passer of the ball, he doesn't create chances as a midfielder and doesn't even have what it takes to close down opposition players in our midfield.

He's the least effective amongst all players Arsenal have available for midfield role. Arteta is not crazy to have moved him upfront to at least use his height to balance his average football ability. Below is an analysis of Arsenal vs Aston Villa last season when Havertz dropped back to midfield in the second half having played upfront in the first half

Downside of playing Havertz as a No 8 emerges in second half
After the interval, Villa clamped down on that area, with McGinn (circled in black) dropping deeper to become part of the back five, blocking Havertz’s space.

But that isn’t why Villa won. They did so because once they started passing the ball out from the back and gaining a foothold, the problem with playing Havertz in midfield began to show.

Havertz and Declan Rice formed a two-man midfield when Villa had the ball, which is frankly too light to defend the spaces, especially with Morgan Rogers so effective at dropping to receive the ball between the lines.

Havertz completed one tackle and zero interceptions, the same as Jorginho managed in just 20 minutes and considerably fewer than Youri Tielemans (four tackles, one interception) and McGinn (three tackles, three interceptions).

Worse still, once an emboldened Villa were sitting higher up the pitch, Arsenal lacked someone to dictate the tempo from deeper areas or play progressive passes into the forwards.

In other words, they missed Jorginho.

By contrast, Villa’s Tielemans and McGinn were outstanding, evading pressure and stitching things together with the dexterity and intelligence that Arsenal lacked.

It was all about that midfield, tipped in Villa’s favour when the territorial battle became even; Villa had 43.7 per cent possession in the first half, but between the 46th and 87th minute, when they scored their second goal, they held 61 per cent.

Once that happened, Arsenal’s main strength in the first half – an unusually attacking line-up, led by Havertz – became their weakness.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3968427
This is just one of the many times Havertz has been shiit playing in Arsenal midfield

BlueRayDick:


Swiz is just doing everything possible to stan Haverz ni jare. Every Arsenal player knows Havertz is useless in midfield. There's no obvious quality of midfielder u can point to that he excels at.

He is not a good passer of the ball, he doesn't create chances as a midfielder and doesn't even have what it takes to close down opposition players in our midfield.

He's the least effective amongst all players Arsenal have available for midfield role. Arteta is not crazy to have moved him upfront to at least use his height to balance his average football ability. Below is an analysis of Arsenal vs Aston Villa last season when Havertz dropped back to midfield in the second half having played upfront in the first half



https://www.premierleague.com/news/3968427
This is just one of the many times Havertz has been shiit playing in Arsenal midfield

Generational Flop!

swiz123:


Then why didn't his involvement make Arsenal's midfield loose?

You are asking this question because you don't watch Arsenal matches but just check line-up and final scores. Once u see Havertz in the line-up and u see the final score favoring Arsenal, u assume Havertz playing in midfield is responsible for the win.

Arsenal fans hate seeing Arteta start Havertz in midfield because we all know it will only lead to other midfielders overworking themselves to cover Havertz's weakness in midfield

Shegzdave:

Man shot himself in the foot when he mentioned Harvertz as an average strikers and turned around to call him above average

He just dey cap

BlueRayDick:


Swiz is just doing everything possible to stan Haverz ni jare. Every Arsenal player knows Havertz is useless in midfield. There's no obvious quality of midfielder u can point to that he excels at.

He is not a good passer of the ball, he doesn't create chances as a midfielder and doesn't even have what it takes to close down opposition players in our midfield.

He's the least effective amongst all players Arsenal have available for midfield role. Arteta is not crazy to have moved him upfront to at least use his height to balance his average football ability. Below is an analysis of Arsenal vs Aston Villa last season when Havertz dropped back to midfield in the second half having played upfront in the first half



https://www.premierleague.com/news/3968427
This is just one of the many times Havertz has been shiit playing in Arsenal midfield

This obvious fact about Havertz lack of any midfield ability whatsoever will pain the brain of the 3 Havertz gaslighters - Swiz123, Capaldi and User09 - who swore we don't have eyes to watch football and appreciate the generational talent in our midst.

swiz123:


If Havertz was playing rubbish like BlueRayDick wanted us to believe, then the evidence of his poor game would have been evident in Arsenal's midfield. Instead, they were strongly competing for the title.

Blueray is a fake fan.

Lol, Blueray Fake Fan? Just dhe wyne yourself.

airmark:


So, at what point did Sergio Ramos become a CB and not a RB? Oh, he is also RB and not a CB since that's where he started from and played a lot of matches as RB.

Baba Ask anybody who watches La Liga wella, they will tell u Oyarzabal is a winger. When I still had time back then, I watched him wella at Real Sociedad playing from the left Wing.

You goofed calling him a striker just to win an argument.

BlueRayDick:


So it is now about mentioning another player not named Isak right? Remember what led to this discussion was u dropping a video compilation trying to prove that there aren't strikers who are as skillful as Drogba was shown in the video clip.

That was the reason I mentioned Isak to show u that indeed there are strikers who score as much as Drogba did and still possess skills that u are trying to use to prop Drogba.

Talking about out and out strikers who are proven goal scorers, is Lewandoski as Efiggy ? Is Luiz Suarez a goal keeper?

All these talk about past players being the best thing after slice bread, it's just nostalgia at work and nothing else. There will always be players in the future that will play better than and break records of past players.

Na wa ohh. We are talking about present generation you dey mention Suarez and Lewandowski wey don dey pop since Nairaland start. Fear God nau. Why didn't you mention Benzema and RVP as well.

Isak does not have the big game pedigree to even be mentioned in the same breath with cats like Drogba just yet. Wtf has Isak done outside of score a few goals for Newcastle.

Which current African player don ball like Eto'o. Osimhen? Lookman, Salah or who? There will always be one of ones in every generation.

BlueRayDick:


He just dey cap

Kimbeast:

Even transfermarkt will show you he is predominantly a left winger that has been used in other positions.

No difference between you and that Aba-made Chelsea fan who is also blind like you.

Shegzdave:

I wouldn’t want to bring down drogba for Isak but Isak is doing good with goal ratio and the skills you just mention

He still has a long way to go. Let him join a big team and win laurels or lead a title charge first.

A40:

Na wa ohh. We are talking about present generation you dey mention Suarez and Lewandowski wey don dey pop since Nairaland start. Fear God nau. Why didn't you mention Benzema and RVP as well.

Isak does not have the big game pedigree to even be mentioned in the same breath with cats like Drogba just yet. Wtf has Isak done outside of score a few goals for Newcastle.

Which current African player don ball like Eto'o. Osimhen? Lookman, Salah or who? There will always be one of ones in every generation.

You just keep shifting goal post. Now it is about having big game pedigree.... lolz. I know if I mention Harry Kane, u will still find something else to say again; but u will gloss over the fact that he's a striker who has been doing crazy numbers year-in year-out.

It is well jare.

I rest my case.

drisham:
I have said it a lot of times football have changed any average bum can score goals
But the quality in play has dropped


Which Is why you'll find many wingers these days with more goals than hazard but does it mean they were better than hazard?

No bring any Hazard agenda here. All those wingers are better than Hazard. Hazard is part of this generation and was a monumental failure

A40:
Just small example of the technical edge he has over them. They can't do what he does, while he can do everything they can.

Superior header of the ball, can score with both feet, can provide dead balls and score from set pieces.

Drogba is unique. How many of those past strikers excel in all these metric? How many setpiece goals does your Inzaghi and others have.

airmark:


No difference between you and that Aba-made Chelsea fan who is also blind like you.

You are a big disgrace. Like I said previously you drop lots of nonsense here.

drisham:


Someone that I remember him flanking isak and sorloth at a point is who they are calling a striker

Nawa

Anybody that takes that guys post seriously should be flogged.

BlueRayDick:


Baba Ask anybody who watches La Liga wella, they will tell u Oyarzabal is a winger. When I still had time back then, I watched him wella at Real Sociedad playing from the left Wing.

You goofed calling him a striker just to win an argument.

We are getting there gradually.

After i informed you that he hasn't even played as a LW in la liga this season, you changed his position to strictly a winger and not LW. You initially claimed he only played as CF at times but out of 16 la liga matches this season he played as CF in 14. At the Euros he played as CF in 6 out of 7.

Transfermarkt upgrades their website periodically that's why they didn't tag Ramos, a RB. They are more reliable with data than you, that Aba-made Chelsea fan, Sodiki and kimbeast who last watched Oyazarbal in 2021.