Janosky:


You want to cling to worshipping 2 persons, that's your cup of ptea.

In the spiritual realm, Jesus revealed & called another Being "my God", Revelation 3:12.
Jehovah The Supreme Being Jesus called "my God" is the ONLY God in Heaven, not 3 deities invented at Nicene.
Did Jesus worship 2 persons?
Emphatic no!

DaddyCoool:


You are the one picking and choosing. I said from beginning the Bible says many things and needs to be nuanced in places. But you insist it must be strictly construed!
You can't cherrypick! Your mother is NOT your mother, neither are your brothers and sisters.
ONLY JW are your mother and sisters

DaddyCoool:


That's the one everyone defers to when there is disagreement among other versions, and it wasn't produced by a vested interest

DaddyCoool:


It was Christ speaking to John in Revelation. Examples, see below

Janosky:


Don't get me wrong
JW's recognize Family ties & blood relationship - mother, Father, brother, sister, uncle, niece etc..
We didn't fall from the sky.

But our foremost Family is the household of faith, Galatians 6:10.
@ Matthew 12:47-50 & Matthew 10:34-38,
Did Jesus place family ties above the worship of his God and Father?

Emphatic no!



Galatians 6:10 is the norm that Jesus is talking about @
Matthew 12:47-50 & Matthew 10:34-38,

DaddyCoool:


That's the one everyone defers to when there is disagreement among other versions, and it wasn't produced by a vested interest

GothamCities:


You've clearly described yourself.

Where are the curses, abuses, etc you're ascribing to me?

Christianity without proof is not Christianity. All those outward shows of Piety are just hogwash.

I am a living proof of the God i serve.

Janosky:


What did Jesus teach you at John 17:7?
Who give Jesus the title of Alpha and Omega ?
John 17:7 is the answer.
You forget that hierarchy begins from the spiritual, 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Read and study 1 Corinthians 3:23 & 1 Corinthians 11:3?

@ 1 Corinthians 3:23,Why do we and Jesus belong to God Almighty?
1 Corinthians 11:3 is the answer.
Paul ask a question: What do you have that you did not receive from God Almighty?

Let's ask the question again:
What did Jesus have that Jesus did not receive from God Almighty?
John 17:7 is the answer.

Janosky:


Please Don't speak out of naivety or ignorance.

King James the British monarch who authorized the KJV is known to be into secret society.

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DaddyCoool:


Well, in that case you're not strictly following the Bible as you say you must. I'm sure you also go and bury your fathers when it clearly tells you to leave the dead to bury their dead

Janosky:


False claim you made,I tell you for free.

Apostle James did not announce anything to anyone, please don't deceive yourself.

You can read KJV Bible on the JW's website,so your claim is FALSE.

The English monarch, King James authorized the mass production of the KJV Bible into the English language some years past after the execution of Bible translator, William Tyndale (accused of heresy by the Church for attempting to translate the bible from latin to English).
KJV is also called Authorized Version because the British monarchy approved it's mass production.
BTW, KJV is NOT, NEVER the oldest Bible in English language.
The Geneva Bible & Wycliffe Bible are older than the KJV.



Oga, please go and study secular history & learn more.

DaddyCoool:


You are the one speaking out of naivety or ignorance. King James had little to do with KJV. It only bore his name

DaddyCoool:


My friend even the "God" in Revelation 3:12 refers to Christ. See below

How many times did Jesus say "my God " in verse 12?
Was Jesus referring to himself as "my God"?
Emphatic no!!

Christ told you he calls another Being, "my God".

Jesus also said "my God" @ Matthew 27:46 & John 20:17, did Jesus refer that word ("my God" to himself?

Madam, please dey fear "my God" Jehovah nau.

gohf:
tell daddycoool don't tell me.

It's called sarcasm.

johnw47:


those false jw's are the great false accusers like their god the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

and those gods people lie like hell, which again shows who their god really is

so called jehovah's witnesses:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

DaddyCoool:


You are obviously the one confused.
Please explain to us how a "Son" who created EVERYTHING that was created, and who has ALWAYS been with an ALONE God, is NOT God!

Janosky:
Continue in your folly.
Desperate attention seeker.

Janosky:
You pretend that the expression " through him" @ John 1:3 has no relevance in the passage.
Trinitarian devotees avoid it because it counters their TWISTING of verse 3 of John chapter 1.
"Through him ". is the same meaning as I built my house through him.
The house doesn't not belong to the one through whom that house was built.

Janosky:



You can be funny when you want to.

That statement of Jesus Christ does not mean what you think.

In the Bible, Jesus invited the man to come follow him (Jesus).

But the man gave excuse that he wants to bury his Father before he will decide to follow Jesus.

In reply Jesus said:
"Leave the dead to bury their dead"

Meaning
Leave the spiritually dead to bury the spiritually dead but you go abroad and declare the good news of God's kingdom "

To follow Jesus means being spiritually alive (minding the things of the spirit for the sayings of Jesus is spirit and life)) which a carnal man preoccupied with burial & ceremonies can not understand.
Same issue of carnality with the rich ruler who couldn't forsake his riches to follow Jesus

Janosky:


You pretend that the expression " through him" @ John 1:3 has no relevance in the passage.
Trinitarian devotees avoid it because it counters their TWISTING of verse 3 of John chapter 1.
"Through him ". is the same meaning as I built my house through him.

The house doesn't not belong to the one through whom that house was built.

johnw47:


lost fraud jw janosky

as always you cannot stop falsely accusing like the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

and as usual of course, you cannot stop lying like the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

MaxInDHouse:
So it's no longer dictionary but scientists shey?
Now it's scientists that's determining the meaning of English language!

johnw47:


those false jw's are the great false accusers like their god the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

and those gods people lie like hell, which again shows who their god really is

so called jehovah's witnesses:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

DaddyCoool:














Let's put this debate to rest once and for all.
The normal human inclination is NOT to complicated things, to go for the easier path.
Hence our natural inclination is to say: "How can Christ be God? There is only one God!"
The problem starts when you actually start reading and studying the Bible. As you immerse and really get to know the Bible, it will gradually dawn on you that Christ can't be anything but God!

That's why founders of groups like JW usually never went beyond high school. Or an uneducated person like prophet Muhammad. They can't handle that there is any complication to God. But real scholars must or they'd be lying to themselves!

Here are some things I posted previously:

There are quotations in the Bible both in support of, and seemingly NOT in support of deity of Christ. So we look at our practical life experiences:

God restored a Person from dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God, and you don't think he approves of it? And it's been on for 2000+ years, and the church has only multiplied, prospered, and become stronger?
You'd be implying God does not exist, or is powerless, or does not care! - and LordReed would heartily agree with you!

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue??!

Can't you see he can ONLY be God? God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

2 Corinthians 13:14: Paul speaks of "the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit."

Aemmyjah:



What you're saying does not even make sense to you
Or you're not making sense to yourself
You're a confisionist
Instead of humbly trying to gain understanding
You deserve yan nonsense

DaddyCoool:

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Let's put this debate to rest once and for all.
The normal human inclination is NOT to complicated things, to go for the easier path.
Hence our natural inclination is to say: "How can Christ be God? There is only one God!"
The problem starts when you actually start reading and studying the Bible. As you immerse and really get to know the Bible, it will gradually dawn on you that Christ can't be anything but God!

That's why founders of groups like JW usually never went beyond high school. Or an uneducated person like prophet Muhammad. They can't handle that there is any complication to God. But real scholars must or they'd be lying to themselves!

Here are some things I posted previously:

There are quotations in the Bible both in support of, and seemingly NOT in support of deity of Christ. So we look at our practical life experiences:

God restored a Person from dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God, and you don't think he approves of it? And it's been on for 2000+ years, and the church has only multiplied, prospered, and become stronger?
You'd be implying God does not exist, or is powerless, or does not care! - and LordReed would heartily agree with you!

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue??!

Can't you see he can ONLY be God? God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

2 Corinthians 13:14: Paul speaks of "the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit."

GothamCities:
You have a good point here. God begot a son by extending Himself. That's the only way God can have an offspring. Not through intercourse.

Just like cells. Cells don't give birth to other cells through intercourse but they reproduce themselves through a process called Division. And whatever comes out of that division is still called a cell. Whatever comes out of God's extension is still God. Not man.

Maxindhouse said Jesus was a created being. The confusion these people put themselves in can only happen after one has been bewitched..

Janosky:


This evidence confirmed by GothamCities worshipping 2 persons .


GothamCities confirms worshipping Jesus as he worshipping Jehovah.
GothamCities worshipping 2 persons.

MaxInDHouse:


Who is your brother in Christ on this thread with whom you've not exchanged insults?

Let me mention my own brothers in Christ:

Janoski, Aemmyjah and several other JWs.

Oya mention just one person if your so called "God" is the Bible God!

DaddyCoool:

There can be all sorts of meanings to words (I was just telling you about brother). But here we SPECIFICALLY mean "Produce from NOTHING" - as in Genesis