Odunayaw:
I think we confuse gear for aesthetics.

There is nothing aesthetic about combat gear and quality webbing. Every combat gear, equipment and Basic stuff (modern) soldiers carry include: communication devices, standardized weapons (and all the associated equipment), survival kits (ration food, water canteens, serrated knives, sleeping bags, etc.), first aid kits, tourniquet and whatever tools they need to survive out there in the field.

bidexiii:


Those guys carry basic equipment & quality gear, compared to our present SOF in various theatre.

Miss those days when DHQSOF where kicking BHT ass, I don't know why the NA/DHQ authority can't maintain standard of equipping at least for SOF.

You can check @hammersofwar & @congotask for more photos of this guys.

but you just proved what I was saying with these pictures.

All pics show the basics me, helmet, plate carrier and comms. Only one with side arm. Pray tell what is the optimal equipment here?

Because as far as I'm concerned it seems "quality" to you means how closely they look to Western SOF sha

Odunayaw:
but you just proved what I was saying with these pictures.

All pics show the basics me, helmet, plate carrier and comms. Only one with side arm. Pray tell what is the optimal equipment here?

Because as far as I'm concerned it seems "quality" to you means how closely they look to Western SOF sha

thank you!

Odunayaw:
but you just proved what I was saying with these pictures.

All pics show the basics me, helmet, plate carrier and comms. Only one with side arm. Pray tell what is the optimal equipment here?

Because as far as I'm concerned it seems "quality" to you means how closely they look to Western SOF sha

They are equipped with basic equipmemts; compare to our own troops recent operational photos, they're way better equipped than our SOF.
Talking about "optimal" equipment here ? You can't be "the best, 100% effective or equipped"

Use your church mind compare and contrast between this DRC guys and our DHQSOF.
Or will compare this present DRC and our DHQSOF back in the days ?

Our troops are far from basic equipment, Say less of the NA/DHQSOF !

bidexiii:



There is nothing aesthetic about combat gear and quality webbing. Every combat gear, equipment and Basic stuff (modern) soldiers carry include: communication devices, standardized weapons (and all the associated equipment), survival kits (ration food, water canteens, serrated knives, sleeping bags, etc.), first aid kits, tourniquet and whatever tools they need to survive out there in the field.

Exactly, so how do you see all this on the DRC guys? Keep in mind they are even SF

bidexiii:



They are equipped with basic equipmemts; compare to our own troops recent operational photos, they're way better equipped than our SOF.
Talking about "optimal" equipment here ? You can't be "the best, 100% effective or equipped"

Use your church mind compare and contrast between this DRC guys and our DHQSOF.
Or will compare this present DRC and our DHQSOF back in the days ?

Post our SOF in the field make I check something

Odunayaw:
Exactly, so how do you see all this on the DRC guys? Keep in mind they are even SF

All my comparison has been SF ?
Our DHQSOF/NA lack basic equipping, the NNSBSC and NAF SOF are trying. Or would you compared the then DHQSOF with now. Are progressing or regressing.

Odunayaw:
Post our SOF in the field make I check something

Check the 2nd to the last page, I posted a recent picture of group of NA SOF with there rusted Aks.

bidexiii:


All my comparison has been SF ?
Our DHQSOF/NA lack basic equipping, the NNSBSC and NAF SOF are trying. Or would you compared the then DHQSOF with now. Are progressing or regressing.

I'm not aware of the DHQSOF lacking anything o. Maybe NA

bidexiii:



Check the 2nd to the last page, I posted a recent picture of group of NA SOF with there rusted Aks.

that pic was NA SOF?

Odunayaw:
Post our SOF in the field make I check something

DHQ SOF(1)
DHQSOF
DHQSOF

Odunayaw:
that pic was NA SOF

Yeap that's what I said NA SF !

Either way, NA, DHQSOF and other military arms can do better, that's the basics of this discussion.

Much has not changed in terms of basic gears and other survival kits. We can do better with our budget.

Odunayaw:
Post our SOF in the field make I check something

Your patience, my good man!

Toju200:

DHQ SOF(1)
DHQSOF
DHQSOF

Ask your self are we doing better in terms of personnel equipping/gearing ?
And don't forget this are NAF & DHQSOF not NA SF.
Nothing has changed, still the old basics in all SOF.

Lurker4Long:



Your patience, my good man!

I can imagine where Bidexii is coming from but when I consider the record of the other moniker, I am sure he and Bidexii are not saying the same thing

Toju200:

DHQ SOF(1)
DHQSOF
DHQSOF

These are not kitted enough for standard tier 1 or 2 SOF. Let's be honest

Dstealth:


These are not kitted enough for standard tier 1 or 2 SOF. Let's be honest

What is tier or 2 first. Let me see something

Odunayaw:
What is tier or 2 first. Let me see something

This thread gets more...interesting by the minute!

Odunayaw:
I can imagine where Bidexii is coming from but when I consider the record of the other moniker, I am sure he and Bidexii are not saying the same thing

Where not saying the same thing.

NA especially lacks basic survival kits, the SOF is nothing to right home about .
Our budget is not so bad that it can't equip our SOF with proper/quality equipment and gear.

It's like quality and basic equipment are alloen to you guys, Are you not irritated seeing our SOF with rusty Aks..

Dstealth:


These are not kitted enough for standard tier 1 or 2 SOF. Let's be honest

Please don't argue with this guys,.

With our budget we can do better, which was the basis of this argument, am so amazed that @odunayaw and the other moniker are saying the present NA SOF are basic equipmemt

Thank you bidexiii for being factually accurate.

This is why I don't even argue with those fan boys on African military anymore - tojuwest and odunayaw. They take every valid criticism of the military like pulling teeth.

Look at how u countered them logically.

Imagine someone talking about aesthetics being the obsession

Even the DRC has gumboots and tarpaulin and rain gear for their troops during rainy season. This is not hidden, and is not exclusive to special forces. U just need to google or go to Warhammer site to appreciate this.
Have u seen thise Nigerian troops during northern harmattan ?

From communications to primary weapons , secondary weapons and support weapons, MRAPS and artillery. It's as clear as day.

DRC is even 3 times the size of Nigeria. With a 10th of the budget.

They are complaining of DRC loosing equipment. Ludicrous!!!
It's so comical that they can't turn the mirror on themselves. Nigeria military has practically lost every piece of equipment from jets, helicopters, MRAPS, artillery pieces, tanks to FOBs.

Just review the defensive frailties of a typical FOB of the Nigerian military. Same weakness leading to them being overun again and again.
What exactly do they teach at these training schools from depot, NDA, command and staff colleges. TRADOC is suspect.

They don't understand that constructive criticism is a way for the armed forces to improve.

bidexiii:


Those guys carry basic equipment & quality gear, compared to our present SOF in various theatre.

Miss those days when DHQSOF where kicking BHT ass, I don't know why the NA/DHQ authority can't maintain standard of equipping at least for SOF.

You can check @hammersofwar & @congotask for more photos of this guys.

bidexiii:


Where not saying the same thing.

NA especially lacks basic survival kits, the SOF is nothing to right home about .
Our budget is not so bad that it can't equip our SOF with proper/quality equipment and gear.

It's like quality and basic equipment are alien to you guys, Are you not irritated seeing our SOF with rusty Aks..

You know you have not been able to prove this?

My posts are littered all over this thread lamenting and appreciating improvement in weaponry and gear. Where I disagree with you or anyone else is mere aesthetics

bidexiii:


Please don't argue with this guys,.

With our budget we can do better, which was the basis of this argument, am so amazed that @odunayaw and the other moniker are saying the present NA SOF are basic equipmemt

Why didn't you post these for example. Both recent pics?

Because it doesn't suit what you are saying?

Lol...See these clowns..

Weakening and exposing your arguments even more with your lame a$$ pictures with rusted AK.

Odunayaw:
Why didn't you post these for example. Both recent pics?

Because it doesn't suit what you are saying?

rugged7:
Lol...See these clowns..

Weakening and exposing your arguments even more with your lame a$$ pictures with rusted AK.

I already know the quality of conversation will be low when a fellow keeps singing "rusted AK" like a broken record.

Get off my mentions let me discuss with those who know what they are saying

Lol... E pain am.
Well thankfully, Bidexiii's forum does not belong to your father.

Go back to your African military post where u censor every truthful fact.

Odunayaw:
I already know the quality of conversation will be low when a fellow keeps singing "rusted AK" like a broken record.

Get off my mentions let me discuss with those who know what they are saying

Odunayaw:
Why didn't you post these for example. Both recent pics?

Because it doesn't suit what you are saying?

so far their argument is based on how they look cool and not what a SOF operator is..
Like you said even airsofters they dress up
Now I understand what bidexii is trying to say
We need all nice looking gears sharp helmet with mounted comms NVG vest with mags pouch you know all looking sharp to distinguish between them and Regular
But then he claimed we lack the basics which we've proved him wrong
Helmet check
Vest check
Comms check
Bagpack and medkit check

You'll know when someone is an operator when he performs in the field so far so good I've seen guys from 402 SF brigade just with their tactical vest ,"Rusty" AK 47,PKMs giving Terrorists hell in the NE currently now same brigade has been deployed to The NW theater their reputation precedes them
The AK 47 Rifles has been our go to weapon for a reason
And troops has been effect with it even DSS wants to adopt it difference is with Polymer parts
Except for covert operations like you see the SBS kitting or MSU or DSS
So far the rest has the basics
Also those Gucci gears all Arms of service has them Army,navy, air force, police

I believe the Nigerian Army is slowly replacing the AK-47 with the Beryl M762 as its standard issued assault rifle. Rusty rifles or not, what matters is that the rifle functions. When the Army no longer has much internal security issues on its plate to deal with, it will surely make replacements.

Now about gear, on one hand you have to consider the fact that the DRC soldiers posted 2 pages ago could probably just be the few numbers in the ranks that have access to the gears, it may not be the general situation of the DRC’s military or it’s probably for the camera. I mean bidexii you yourself have posted some pictures of the Nigerian Civil Defence Corps and DSS in which they are properly geared but that doesn’t mean it is the general situation of both security agencies, neither does it mean the high ranking officials in the services may not be corrupt. On the other hand, our soldiers and special forces are active in internal security operations and always at the frontline so they won’t always be geared up to appear modern all the time probably due to war fatigue or unexpected circumstances

Now issue of budget. The defence budget sure should have our personnel’s geared up properly. But you are forgetting other expenses like part payment of equipments acquired, construction and renovations of military installations, incentives or compensations, personnel salary, veterans pensions, utilities and so on and so forth. I used to complain why the military doesn’t equip itself with some specific equipments. The day I entered into the website of the budget office of the federation to see the breakdown of the defence budget, I was just shaking my head. So many expenses here and there, it leaves little to be allocated for equipments or gears.

As long as our soldiers are performing their duties diligently how they appear should be the least of our worries. I mean the posts bidexii uploaded recently about Bello Turji running out of options are the type of results we want and assure us that the days of insurgency and banditry in Nigeria are numbered. Hell if our special forces can capture that Bello Turji nuisance while naked, I will brag about it. I will belittle US Seal Team Six and Russian Spetsnaz for their sake if they can do that for me

The forward operating base that was over ran is not really an issue of personnel gear. Like someone said before the military should do more in base patrol and protection. Those on duty to stand guard should stand guard. Drones should be employed for surveillance of the vicinity. If possible air defence platforms should be installed and all other precautionary measures. I did see somewhere that the Defence Ministry permitted the army to shoot down any drone (civilian or not) within range of any FOB.

So everybody rest, don’t worry. Even a particular country that lives down south and has its soldiers gear up properly still lag behind Nigeria in military rankings. Lurkerforlong don’t come for me ooo, I did not mention names

Here you can check the Nigerian Army’s budget for 2025

https://budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2025-executive-proposal/2025-executive-proposal/viewdocument/986