Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Silentgroper(m): 2:26pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
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You failed woefully in countering my post,instead you danced around the issues I raised...let's recap;
1. Majority of SA women have never and would never date Nigerian men...we are conditioned differently. So all the lies about us *rushing * you disgust us ...but I get why you have to lie to yourselvesππ. If you're looking for SA women who *love * you...visit downtown clubs and taverns....you'll find plenty of them ..looking for you to *flex * for them ππ.
2. Women in South Africa have always worked for their own food. Before colonialism; we went to the fields to farm and took care of our kids ,whilst the men did their own part. Things changed when colonialists came to disturb and change things up...making us idle and dependent on men for survival. Post democracy...we went back to our natural roles of being partners in our homes not subjects who sit idle for a men to feed us and use us to boost his fragile ego* I take care of you...I feed you ...I buy your clothes....so be Obidient and do as you're told*π. You can miss us with that rubbish .
3. You say are women meant to work ?πππππ. Show me one country that's developed with a diverse economy that doesn't have women working and thriving in their own society?π. Apart from the emirates who enslave foreigners from poor countries in the global South, where else can you find this ? . South Africa has a diverse economy and is an upper middle income country not a poor one because all members of society are expected to chip in. You cannot have a somewhat functional country without women playing a role in the decision making . Forget it. Look up your mates in Pakistan, Somalia etc . Women there have no say and are * taken care of*π. I.can bet you no Nigerian woman wants to migrate there. But you'll find plenty of them in SA and other countries where women play a part in the development of their countries.
4. Lmao. You just shot yourself in the foot. So Nigerian women have to leave you in your Nigeria to be independent?π..why can't they have those Careers where their * great * men lead ?ππ. They thrive better under the leadership of other men than you ?π. We are in SA leading Medicine,Science,politics ,Agriculture etc. We don't need to escape our country and men to get the opportunity Kemi Badenoch has ...we are afforded that privilege here . We are learners in what ? ππ.
5. I repeat .....men spend more on their families than women ...everywhere not just Nigeria. You are only making noise about this because you're the world's poorest men and what is normal to other men seems like a flex to you ππ.
6. You keep on talking about luxury and flexing....I'm confused ....is that supposed to impress me?π.
Here is the reality; The wealthiest black people after Afro-Americanns are black SA.
SA is one of only 7 African countries that are classified as upper middle income countries.
This means that we aren't strangers to high standards of living ,luxury and good income. These aren't a *flex* for us...they are normal things unlike in Nigeria where these words send the fear of God down one's heart π.
7. You are the most hardworking black people?ππππ. Hardworking in what when you're the poorest and one of the most food insecure and underdeveloped countries in Africa?ππππ.
When you list the indices below, you won't find Nigeria in the top 15 even with the population and resources like oilπππ.
* health care system * Education *Gdp per capita *widespread infrastructure * citizen's welfare * electricity access *water & sanitation Etc
So what exactly are you working hard on when you're at the bottom in everything that matters....fighting it out with the likes of Somalia?π.
Please show me the results of your hardworkπ. Hardwork no be by mouth. Hardworking men don't make noise....they workππππ....and when you go to their countries you'll see the results.
8. Nigerian women don't see the need to have you around them once they reach the *saner* climesπ. Who wants an overlord when you can make your own money and decisions?π. You are left with no choice but to recycle local skanks,junkies and grandmas as wives ππππππ
9. Wealthy men in other climes have their women minding the finances,image etc of the family. They don't make their wives sit idle while giving them stipends like teenage girls π....that's demeaning . They are involved in the business, one way or the other. No SA wealthy man will not teach his woman the business he is into ....if he dies...how will she take care of his kids when she can't do shyt except spending un-earned money ? Talk about shortsightednessππ. Women are partners in marriage not subjects and Obidient slaves ππ
And lastly, the average SA man and the average Nigerian man are not wealthy...so I don't see why you're making it seem like Nigeria is the home of wealthy mem . Let's rather discuss what is readily found in both countries  World poorest men that can comfortably feed Another adult(woman) clothes her , shelter her , give gifts extend it to her family , pay her fees and whatnots .. Wow, that's the most ironic thing I've ever heard in my life .. So the ones that have their females competing with them in money making, clothing and whatnots are the world richest man ... Very ironic ... Very very ironic... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Stolen: 2:28pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
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You failed woefully in countering my post,instead you danced around the issues I raised...let's recap;
1. Majority of SA women have never and would never date Nigerian men...we are conditioned differently. So all the lies about us *rushing * you disgust us ...but I get why you have to lie to yourselvesππ. If you're looking for SA women who *love * you...visit downtown clubs and taverns....you'll find plenty of them ..looking for you to *flex * for them ππ.
2. Women in South Africa have always worked for their own food. Before colonialism; we went to the fields to farm and took care of our kids ,whilst the men did their own part. Things changed when colonialists came to disturb and change things up...making us idle and dependent on men for survival. Post democracy...we went back to our natural roles of being partners in our homes not subjects who sit idle for a men to feed us and use us to boost his fragile ego* I take care of you...I feed you ...I buy your clothes....so be Obidient and do as you're told*π. You can miss us with that rubbish .
3. You say are women meant to work ?πππππ. Show me one country that's developed with a diverse economy that doesn't have women working and thriving in their own society?π. Apart from the emirates who enslave foreigners from poor countries in the global South, where else can you find this ? . South Africa has a diverse economy and is an upper middle income country not a poor one because all members of society are expected to chip in. You cannot have a somewhat functional country without women playing a role in the decision making . Forget it. Look up your mates in Pakistan, Somalia etc . Women there have no say and are * taken care of*π. I.can bet you no Nigerian woman wants to migrate there. But you'll find plenty of them in SA and other countries where women play a part in the development of their countries.
4. Lmao. You just shot yourself in the foot. So Nigerian women have to leave you in your Nigeria to be independent?π..why can't they have those Careers where their * great * men lead ?ππ. They thrive better under the leadership of other men than you ?π. We are in SA leading Medicine,Science,politics ,Agriculture etc. We don't need to escape our country and men to get the opportunity Kemi Badenoch has ...we are afforded that privilege here . We are learners in what ? ππ.
5. I repeat .....men spend more on their families than women ...everywhere not just Nigeria. You are only making noise about this because you're the world's poorest men and what is normal to other men seems like a flex to you ππ.
6. You keep on talking about luxury and flexing....I'm confused ....is that supposed to impress me?π.
Here is the reality; The wealthiest black people after Afro-Americanns are black SA.
SA is one of only 7 African countries that are classified as upper middle income countries.
This means that we aren't strangers to high standards of living ,luxury and good income. These aren't a *flex* for us...they are normal things unlike in Nigeria where these words send the fear of God down one's heart π.
7. You are the most hardworking black people?ππππ. Hardworking in what when you're the poorest and one of the most food insecure and underdeveloped countries in Africa?ππππ.
When you list the indices below, you won't find Nigeria in the top 15 even with the population and resources like oilπππ.
* health care system * Education *Gdp per capita *widespread infrastructure * citizen's welfare * electricity access *water & sanitation Etc
So what exactly are you working hard on when you're at the bottom in everything that matters....fighting it out with the likes of Somalia?π.
Please show me the results of your hardworkπ. Hardwork no be by mouth. Hardworking men don't make noise....they workππππ....and when you go to their countries you'll see the results.
8. Nigerian women don't see the need to have you around them once they reach the *saner* climesπ. Who wants an overlord when you can make your own money and decisions?π. You are left with no choice but to recycle local skanks,junkies and grandmas as wives ππππππ
9. Wealthy men in other climes have their women minding the finances,image etc of the family. They don't make their wives sit idle while giving them stipends like teenage girls π....that's demeaning . They are involved in the business, one way or the other. No SA wealthy man will not teach his woman the business he is into ....if he dies...how will she take care of his kids when she can't do shyt except spending un-earned money ? Talk about shortsightednessππ. Women are partners in marriage not subjects and Obidient slaves ππ
And lastly, the average SA man and the average Nigerian man are not wealthy...so I don't see why you're making it seem like Nigeria is the home of wealthy mem . Let's rather discuss what is readily found in both countries  Like i said, talk is cheap. After the noise, the problem is to walk the talk. This is the Director General and Boss of World Trade Organisation. show us your own? 2 Likes
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Stolen: 2:31pm On Feb 17 |
They will say alot trying to make no point, but it never withstand the test of time or match the reality on ground.
UN Deputy Secetary General is another Nigerian lady this time from the Northern muslims. 2 Likes
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Stolen: 2:31pm On Feb 17 |
Do u want a reality check?
We can go all day and all night. 1 Like |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Silentgroper(m): 2:37pm On Feb 17 |
World poorest men, yet the richest African man comes from the same country the poorest men lives .. very ironic ..
Since s.a men don't spend on their females or their wife's family and all that what exactly do they used their money to do ... I guess drink beers all day and loot other African nationals little kiosk to make away with things they should be easily able to afford..
Dangote is probably feeding, clothing, sheltering all his wives and their family yet happens to be the richest in Africa but one cuntface is telling us that the country is filled with poor men that can easily feed a football team of family for millennials.. hahaha stop playing ..
Worst part is she said South African has the highest count of black dollar apart from the actual black Americans...
Hahahahah .. very ironic...
Cuntface you might want to go and make those research again and get current ..
Even Samantha125 wouldn't settle with a man she'd be feeding, clothing et all... 2 Likes |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 3:03pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 3:05pm On Feb 17 |
Silentgroper: World poorest men, yet the richest African man comes from the same country the poorest men lives .. very ironic ..
Since s.a men don't spend on their females or their wife's family and all that what exactly do they used their money to do ... I guess drink beers all day and loot other African nationals little kiosk to make away with things they should be easily able to afford..
Dangote is probably feeding, clothing, sheltering all his wives and their family yet happens to be the richest in Africa but one cuntface is telling us that the country is filled with poor men that can easily feed a football team of family for millennials.. hahaha stop playing ..
Worst part is she said South African has the highest count of black dollar apart from the actual black Americans...
Hahahahah .. very ironic...
Cuntface you might want to go and make those research again and get current ..
Even Samantha125 wouldn't settle with a man she'd be feeding, clothing et all... She'll have no choice if she eventually settles with an average black south african male 1 Like |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by EndBuhariNow(m): 3:42pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Afolue(m): 4:13pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
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You failed woefully in countering my post,instead you danced around the issues I raised...let's recap;
1. Majority of SA women have never and would never date Nigerian men...we are conditioned differently. So all the lies about us *rushing * you disgust us ...but I get why you have to lie to yourselvesππ. If you're looking for SA women who *love * you...visit downtown clubs and taverns....you'll find plenty of them ..looking for you to *flex * for them ππ.
2. Women in South Africa have always worked for their own food. Before colonialism; we went to the fields to farm and took care of our kids ,whilst the men did their own part. Things changed when colonialists came to disturb and change things up...making us idle and dependent on men for survival. Post democracy...we went back to our natural roles of being partners in our homes not subjects who sit idle for a men to feed us and use us to boost his fragile ego* I take care of you...I feed you ...I buy your clothes....so be Obidient and do as you're told*π. You can miss us with that rubbish .
3. You say are women meant to work ?πππππ. Show me one country that's developed with a diverse economy that doesn't have women working and thriving in their own society?π. Apart from the emirates who enslave foreigners from poor countries in the global South, where else can you find this ? . South Africa has a diverse economy and is an upper middle income country not a poor one because all members of society are expected to chip in. You cannot have a somewhat functional country without women playing a role in the decision making . Forget it. Look up your mates in Pakistan, Somalia etc . Women there have no say and are * taken care of*π. I.can bet you no Nigerian woman wants to migrate there. But you'll find plenty of them in SA and other countries where women play a part in the development of their countries.
4. Lmao. You just shot yourself in the foot. So Nigerian women have to leave you in your Nigeria to be independent?π..why can't they have those Careers where their * great * men lead ?ππ. They thrive better under the leadership of other men than you ?π. We are in SA leading Medicine,Science,politics ,Agriculture etc. We don't need to escape our country and men to get the opportunity Kemi Badenoch has ...we are afforded that privilege here . We are learners in what ? ππ.
5. I repeat .....men spend more on their families than women ...everywhere not just Nigeria. You are only making noise about this because you're the world's poorest men and what is normal to other men seems like a flex to you ππ.
6. You keep on talking about luxury and flexing....I'm confused ....is that supposed to impress me?π.
Here is the reality; The wealthiest black people after Afro-Americanns are black SA.
SA is one of only 7 African countries that are classified as upper middle income countries.
This means that we aren't strangers to high standards of living ,luxury and good income. These aren't a *flex* for us...they are normal things unlike in Nigeria where these words send the fear of God down one's heart π.
7. You are the most hardworking black people?ππππ. Hardworking in what when you're the poorest and one of the most food insecure and underdeveloped countries in Africa?ππππ.
When you list the indices below, you won't find Nigeria in the top 15 even with the population and resources like oilπππ.
* health care system * Education *Gdp per capita *widespread infrastructure * citizen's welfare * electricity access *water & sanitation Etc
So what exactly are you working hard on when you're at the bottom in everything that matters....fighting it out with the likes of Somalia?π.
Please show me the results of your hardworkπ. Hardwork no be by mouth. Hardworking men don't make noise....they workππππ....and when you go to their countries you'll see the results.
8. Nigerian women don't see the need to have you around them once they reach the *saner* climesπ. Who wants an overlord when you can make your own money and decisions?π. You are left with no choice but to recycle local skanks,junkies and grandmas as wives ππππππ
9. Wealthy men in other climes have their women minding the finances,image etc of the family. They don't make their wives sit idle while giving them stipends like teenage girls π....that's demeaning . They are involved in the business, one way or the other. No SA wealthy man will not teach his woman the business he is into ....if he dies...how will she take care of his kids when she can't do shyt except spending un-earned money ? Talk about shortsightednessππ. Women are partners in marriage not subjects and Obidient slaves ππ
And lastly, the average SA man and the average Nigerian man are not wealthy...so I don't see why you're making it seem like Nigeria is the home of wealthy mem . Let's rather discuss what is readily found in both countries  π€£π€£π€£all these too long na. You are going too far. I donβt care to know about your history and that of your country how it all started. I have made my point clear and no need for me repeating it over again. Doing such will appear like I am not confident over my words. Have you met women who hustle? Nigerian women are number one, they make a living from nothing. I am telling you the best in us, and you are talking about the history of SA. Who told you that Nigeria is not a country worth world standards in all ramifications, we are too large for you to see the good. The wealth is there. Somalia?π
. I feel for them though. The name doesnβt even sound nice. Upon how lazy SA guys are, you are still defending them. Cheap ruthless niggaz that donβt even do it for the pay. It that what you call men? Please, can I see your pics. Lemme send to a mail. I love pretty girls, you really need see a difference Africa has values, stop equating it with the outside world no justification about that. No male SA national can come defend himself like as you are doing right now for them. But instead, itβs their sister fighting for themπ. Is it not clear now that your brothers have no ballsπ€£. Let him try it, he will run. Youβre just being sexy I must say, soft fight  All characteristics about you people we possess even more. When you canβt have certain privilege, you try to find a way around it and thatβs all that you have been bragging about. As a babe that youβre, a single handed Nigerian guy, will pay your flight tickets (2 ways) to come to Nigeria, flex you, take you shopping, give you pocket money. Now tell me, which SA guy with balls can do that.? These are men with a large heart to opposite gender of their spec. If my Sis. should pick an SA guy over a Nigerian guy, big problem. It wonβt work! We treat women like Queens and Princess that they are ..! Which woman will not want to be treated likewise.? See, if youβre my spec. in beauty, I will show you something you havenβt experienced from your guys over there before. Try me! No jokes Do you know what it means for a single man to worth a countryβs economy to a woman. Better go in hiding. .. You have No bragging rights my dear! 2 Likes |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Federalis: 4:45pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:04pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:17pm On Feb 17 |
Starzo:
It is you,your female friends,your mother,sisters,aunts and your lesbian partner (if you roll that way) who are useless liabilities
No wonder your men use you idiots to organize rape-a-thon Olympics every year LMAO. I can't be a liability if I can feed and clothe myself you dummy  ...no man can lord over my sisters * I can take care of you* like we are some helpless ,hungry peasants  . The only men who was tasked with the responsility to take care of us was the man who fathered us not some man I just met  . No wonder your women have no use for you boring, insecure idiots once they leave that shythole  . You can't keep a woman without the system that benefits you and keeps women down  . Evil scum  1 Like |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:20pm On Feb 17 |
Starzo:
She'll have no choice if she eventually settles with an average black south african male The same way your Nigerian women settle for your lazy arses over there until they leave the shythole and divorce your insecure arses  ? 1 Like |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:22pm On Feb 17 |
Silentgroper: World poorest men, yet the richest African man comes from the same country the poorest men lives .. very ironic ..
Since s.a men don't spend on their females or their wife's family and all that what exactly do they used their money to do ... I guess drink beers all day and loot other African nationals little kiosk to make away with things they should be easily able to afford..
Dangote is probably feeding, clothing, sheltering all his wives and their family yet happens to be the richest in Africa but one cuntface is telling us that the country is filled with poor men that can easily feed a football team of family for millennials.. hahaha stop playing ..
Worst part is she said South African has the highest count of black dollar apart from the actual black Americans...
Hahahahah .. very ironic...
Cuntface you might want to go and make those research again and get current ..
Even Samantha125 wouldn't settle with a man she'd be feeding, clothing et all... Yes, the richest African man comes from Nigeria,and so does the poorest( majority of you)  . LMAO. Desperate rant from a low iq idiat  . Did I say anywhere that SA males don't spend money on women....if I did ,please point me to where I said this?  There's a difference between men who can't maintain a relationship without buying the respect of their women with money ,and men who spend money on their women because they want to or feel like it. You have no choice but to buy your own women and outsiders  ...same women other men lash for a cup of garri  ...you have no other likeable traits to keep them around  . You're ranting about Dangote while 90% of the men in the same country can barely afford a bunch of tomatoes ?  ? @the bolded ,yes,that's a proven fact. SA has the highest number of dollar millionaires in Africa, and the highest number black dollar millionaires. Not to mention that we have the biggest middle class and have the highest income in Africa  . Where did I say we are feeding men in SA ?  1 Like |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 7:25pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 7:28pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
The same way your Nigerian women settle for your lazy arses over there until they leave the shythole and divorce your insecure arses ? Oh now we're lazy inside Nigeria?.... thought you said they depended on Nigerian men while in Nigeria? Can you depend on a lazy person?....will said lazy person be able to meet your needs? Stupidity gum you like body odour. 2 Likes |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 7:39pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
LMAO. A hardworking man can't be the poorest and can't have the hungriest kids on earth  You're talking incoherently.... I only used your words to reply to you You said Nigerian women depend on Nigeria men for everything while in Nigeria. Next thing you said Nigerian men were lazy. So I asked, can a 'LAZY' person be 'DEPENDED' upon? Na that simple question dey push your tiny brain enter overheating You be really big olodo...a foul,loud mouthed repulsive one at that And stop sunning your teeth like a Christmas goat when replying me 2 Likes |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:40pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Samantha125(f): 7:46pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:48pm On Feb 17 |
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Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 7:49pm On Feb 17 |
Lionessza6:
Whilst you hungry Nigerian men don't only rape and silence them with intimidation in Nigeria, you also feed on them ([b] refuse to work but use innocent females for money rituals) ;[/b]D . Lazy niggas,go and farm. Female genitals can't take you out of the number spot of the world's poorest men . You need to work hard to escape that rating  The only reason your men are not full time into this is because they tried and found out that the average black south African female has a useless head. If you're used for money rituals,you won't yeild more than five rands. If you yielded anything close to a meagre 500 rands, UN would have declared a humanitarian emergency in SA as your men would haves used at least 70% of you.They wouldn't just be using you for only rape-a-thons like they presently do. They'll be walking around with plastic bags. Black SA women would have been listed as an endangered species. When you wake up everyday,go down on your knees and thank god for making you useless. If you're in the tiniest bit useful, you would probably not be alive, fooling yourself on nairaland right now. 2 Likes |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Lionessza6(f): 7:51pm On Feb 17 |
Afolue: π€£π€£π€£all these too long na. You are going too far. I donβt care to know about your history and that of your country how it all started. I have made my point clear and no need for me repeating it over again. Doing such will appear like I am not confident over my words. Have you met women who hustle? Nigerian women are number one, they make a living from nothing. I am telling you the best in us, and you are talking about the history of SA.
Who told you that Nigeria is not a country worth world standards in all ramifications, we are too large for you to see the good. The wealth is there.
Somalia?π
. I feel for them though. The name doesnβt even sound nice. Upon how lazy SA guys are, you are still defending them. Cheap ruthless niggaz that donβt even do it for the pay. It that what you call men?
Please, can I see your pics. Lemme send to a mail. I love pretty girls, you really need see a difference
Africa has values, stop equating it with the outside world no justification about that.
No male SA national can come defend himself like as you are doing right now for them. But instead, itβs their sister fighting for themπ. Is it not clear now that your brothers have no ballsπ€£. Let him try it, he will run. Youβre just being sexy I must say, soft fight 
All characteristics about you people we possess even more. When you canβt have certain privilege, you try to find a way around it and thatβs all that you have been bragging about.
As a babe that youβre, a single handed Nigerian guy, will pay your flight tickets (2 ways) to come to Nigeria, flex you, take you shopping, give you pocket money. Now tell me, which SA guy with balls can do that.? These are men with a large heart to opposite gender of their spec. If my Sis. should pick an SA guy over a Nigerian guy, big problem. It wonβt work!
We treat women like Queens and Princess that they are ..! Which woman will not want to be treated likewise.?
See, if youβre my spec. in beauty, I will show you something you havenβt experienced from your guys over there before. Try me! No jokes
Do you know what it means for a single man to worth a countryβs economy to a woman. Better go in hiding. ..
You have No bragging rights my dear! LMAO. You are Now rambling . I'll leave you to it. I just don't know how to respond to this incoherent nothingness  . As you were  |
Re: A South African Guy Married To A Nigerian Lady by Starzo: 7:52pm On Feb 17 |
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