Nahunger:


Wow
Zelensky get mind, there is something giving him this moral sha.

Europe will give him the support he needs if the US won't. So, he isn't bothered.

grandstar:



You don't seem to understand: if Putin gets away with the invasion, which European country will be next.

That is what scares Europe. Putin would most likely target the Baltic states or other targets. Poland which became a communist country and a Soviet satellite state are spending like crazy on their military. Those guys aren't playing.

did putin jst invade Ukraine for no reason? Why did the US invade Vietnam, Afghanistan and Libya?

Judolisco:
did putin jst invade Ukraine for no reason? Why did the US invade Vietnam, Afghanistan and Libya?

Let me be honest with you, I'm neutral.

First, the Vietnam war occurred during the days of the Cold War. The simplest answer was the Cold War. If there was no Cold War.

It wasn't technically an invasion. The US entered the war to support South Vietnam and prevent it from being run over communist North Vietnam. Basically, close to what happened in Korea.

The Afghan war was caused by the September 11 attacks.

The US did not invade Libyan. It provided military aid to rebels who wanted to topple Ghaddafi out of power.

I did not say everything the US did was right. Their support of Mobutu and Ferdinand Marcos were wrong.

In this case, Putin was wrong invading Ukraine. There was zero need. He could easily have prevented Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU by simply threatening the business and trade that Europe had with Russia, and he knew this.

However, that wasn't enough. Pride got the better of him. He wanted more. He wanted a puppet in Ukraine, and wanted the Ukrainian people to "respect" Russia.

grandstar:


Let me be honest with you, I'm neutral.

First, the Vietnam war occurred during the days of the Cold War. The simplest answer was the Cold War. If there was no Cold War.

It wasn't technically an invasion. The US entered the war to support South Vietnam and prevent it from being run over communist North Vietnam. Basically, close to what happened in Korea.

The Afghan war was caused by the September 11 attacks.

The US did not invade Libyan. It provided military aid to rebels who wanted to topple Ghaddafi out of power.

I did not say everything the US did was right. Their support of Mobutu and Ferdinand Marcos were wrong.

In this case, Putin was wrong invading Ukraine. There was zero need. He could easily have prevented Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU by simply threatening the business and trade that Europe had with Russia, and he knew this.

However, that wasn't enough. Pride got the better of him. He wanted more. He wanted a puppet in Ukraine, and wanted the Ukrainian people to "respect" Russia.

the US approved a no fly zone in Libya, I'll call that an invasion, you said Vietnam own wasn't an invasion but the United state lost over 60 thousand soldiers and Vietnam still won the war..... Russia is also not using full force on Ukraine, it is a matter of national security.... The United States would have done the same in they were in Russian shoes

lexy2014:


How was he disrespectful?

What is his attitude that you were angry about?

How is zelensky messing with the wrong president?

How did Zelensky go overboard with his interruptions that Macron didn't?

How did US make zelensky a strong man?

Did US make Netanyahu a strong man?

If the US says has a right to defend itself, why does the US feel different about Ukraine?

You don't belong in this section, if you don't know the answers to those simple questions. Find something in the entertainment section to occupy yourself.

casualobserver:
is a suit the national formal attire of Nigeria? Why do we produce so many dull Nigerians?

So suit is the national formal attire for Ukraine..

You are not smart ..and I am not the only one that figured that out.

jelel6:


Please, point out the disrespectful actions of Zelensky today during the meeting.

The flashpoint started when the VP accused Zelensky of being unthankful for US support thus far. Like, that's actually a ridiculous thing to say and care about for a US VP in that moment. There are so many evidences of Zelensky saying thank you on his official socials, even just before that meeting.

Zelensky was actually responding to the VP's assertions that it's Ukraine and not Russia who don't want peace and diplomacy. Zelensky explained the reasons Ukraine can't just trust the diplomacy and peace Putin agrees to. Putin has broken several other "peace" brokered through diplomacy since 2014.

Suddenly, VP was accusing him of being ungrateful.

The highlighted is a talking point from liberal mainstream media. Zelensky was way out of line before Vance's intervention. You need to watch the full meeting without any infused narratives. Perhaps on C-SPAN or something. The disrespect started before that and was what prompted the VP, who was fed up with the nonsense to push back. I don't know why some of you can't think for yourselves. This is why you are always misinformed.

BondRiv:


You don't belong in this section, if you don't know the answers to those simple questions. Find something in the entertainment section to occupy yourself.

since you belong to this section and you know the answers to the simple questions, I am surprised that you cant any of the questions.

Pls try again:

How was he disrespectful?

What is his attitude that you were angry about?

How is zelensky messing with the wrong president?

How did Zelensky go overboard with his interruptions that Macron didn't?

How did US make zelensky a strong man?

Did US make Netanyahu a strong man?

If the US says has a right to defend itself, why does the US feel different about Ukraine?

Abbeyme:
Trump is a bully

Lol.. See as he and JD Vance dey try "bully" or haggle Zelensky.. But the Ukrainian no gree.

I likes how Pres. Zelensky held his own under the barrage of "attacks"

justwise:


My respect for Zelensky has gone on top of the roof, he is a real man. JD Vance is a lapdog

Same here.. I respected how he held his ground.. Refused to be "bullied"

BondRiv:


The highlighted is a talking point from liberal mainstream media. Zelensky was way out of line before Vance's intervention. You need to watch the full meeting without any infused narratives. Perhaps on C-SPAN or something. The disrespect started before that and was what prompted the VP, who was fed up with the nonsense to push back. I don't know why some of you can't think for yourselves. This is why you are always misinformed.

Again, you choose to ignore my first sentence and beat around the bush. I clearly challenged you in my first post to point out the moment Zelensky started being disrespectful.

What was disrespectful? Don't play fools with me and come around and say something vague again. Or can't you make your own mind up about what's disrespect and what's not just before Vance went on a rant about gratitude?

You who claimed to watch the video can't come up with a decisive take or position on when Zelensky became disrespectful. So much for thinking for yourself.

justwise:


If he stops wearing it and starts wearing suits the war will end? Misplaced priorities is the problem here.

Look at Trump and his vp on suits and still act and look stupid

Mr. Justwise, if it is right to dress unofficially to official discussions, then maybe you should create another username on this forum.

lexy2014:


since you belong to this section and you know the answers to the simple questions, I am surprised that you cant any of the questions.

Pls try again:

How was he disrespectful?

What is his attitude that you were angry about?

I've asked him same question but he can't decide for himself what's disrespectful about Zelensky responses right until that Vance guy went on a tangent about him not being thankful.

kingthreat:


Mr. Justwise, if it is right to dress unofficially to official discussions, then maybe you should create another username on this forum.

Mr kingthreat did many of you complain when Elon Musk shows up in a Tshirt, jeans and a cap in the same white house during press conference with Trump?

jelel6:


Again, you choose to ignore my first sentence and beat around the bush. I clearly challenged you in my first post to point out the moment Zelensky started being disrespectful.

What was disrespectful? Don't play fools with me and come around and say something vague again. Or can't you make your own mind up about what's disrespect and what's not just before Vance went on a rant about gratitude?

You who claimed to watch the video can't come up with a decisive take or position on when Zelensky became disrespectful. So much for thinking for yourself.

Unfortunately, the only challenge is your handicap in analysing what you watched. Most of you have no business commenting in this section. What you are asking for is blatant in that video, so stop acting like a lost child in need of hand-holding. If you must, then change your attitude (Potential Zelensky) and come out plainly to BEG HUMBLY for help. Anyway, you can get what you are asking for in my previous posts on this issue. Go through my posts yourself. I won't encourage your foolishness. Even with what I explained in my prior reaction to your post, if you had a good brain, you can actually get what you are looking for. But you are just lazy and stuck up. So go through my posts.

justwise:


Mr kingthreat did many of you complain when Elon Musk shows up in a Tshirt, jeans and a cap in the same white house during press conference with Trump?

The conversation here is about Zelensky. You can refer to the topic's title incase you have drifted.

kingthreat:


The conversation here is about Zelensky. You can refer to the topic's title incase you have drifted.

So you are incapable of supporting your argument with a relevant example? How is Musk dressing not relevant to this topic? The same oval office, the same Trump and official event?

So in your limited single cell,,dressing rule only applies to Zelensky?

justwise:


So you are incapable of supporting your argument with a relevant example? How is Musk dressing not relevant to this topic? The same oval office, the same Trump and official event?

So in your limited single cell,,dressing rule only applies to Zelensky?

Perhaps justwise is wiser than the person who had to ask the question below.. Clown believes he is the wisest in a self-opinionated world of his own. Elon Musk is a tech person and wears a suit even if he has to wear a t-shirt. Please on your next visit to a VIP, wear a singlet and short knickers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRvR482_FI

kingthreat:


Perhaps justwise is wiser than the person who had to ask the question below.. Clown believes he is the wisest in a self-opinionated world of his own. Elon Musk is a tech person and wears a suit even if he has to wear a t-shirt. Please on your next visit to a VIP, wear a singlet and short knickers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRvR482_FI

The person that asked the question is a well known slowpoke(Brian Glenn) married to another nuisance called Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Since the war started Zelensky has always dress like that, in all his official appearances both home and abroad. Wearing a suit is the lease of his problems. Trump got no prob with that but some nobodies are falling all over themselves asking so irrelevant questions

justwise:


The person that asked the question is a well known slowpoke(Brian Glenn) married to another nuisance called Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Since the war started Zelensky has always dress like that, in all his official appearances both home and abroad. Wearing a suit is the lease of his problems. Trump got no prob with that but some nobodies are falling all over themselves asking so irrelevant questions

Well he was embarrassed for that. His reply was not intelligent either. It's time for peace, America is not funding the war any further. Let him dress in Ukranian attire or a suit. Not a funny-looking urban wear.

casualobserver:
this Zelensky is not serious. somebody who embarks on state vists and cant even wear a suit....show some respect. I blame Biden and Europe for leading him on in a war he could never win.

Are you even normal?

Why cant the US president wear Isi Agu or Agbada. Think Sir, you got good brain.

The Ukrainian said he has important things to do like a country to defend and you speak of suit.

justwise:
Zelensky has done today what no head of state has done in white house...refused to be bulled by those two buffoons.

JD vance and Trump are two shameless bullies

Instead of Ukraine to accept Trump's deal they should broker a deal with Russia themselves. After all they are closely related. Adding US to the equation with Trump and Vance as US leaders is not sensible at the moment.

kingthreat:


Well he was embarrassed for that. His reply was not intelligent either. It's time for peace, America is not funding the war any further. Let him dress in Ukranian attire or a suit. Not a funny-looking urban wear.

I ask you again.. why was he not embarrassed that Elon musk shows up in Oval Office wearing t-shirts, jeans and cap? Why did rule apply to Zelenskyy only?

While many of you are shamelessly worrying about suits he is worried about his people getting killed daily

Greyworld:

Instead of Ukraine to accept Trump's deal they should broker a deal with Russia themselves. After all they are closely related. Adding US to the equation with Trump and Vance as US leaders is not sensible at the moment.

Russia does not want deal or peace, they want to take over Ukraine. Zelenskyy want security from USA in exchange for minerals

U see all those European countries na dem dey vex me pass ,dey are all coward especially Uk and Germany..

Ilekokonit:


But they ended up further exposing themselves as bullies and Zelensky showed the courage that Ukrainians have displayed to the world for the past 3 years.

Shame on European leaders for bowing to the idiotic convicted Felon named Trump and abandoning Ukraine at the last minute.

This is when God should show himself strong on Ukraine's behalf IF he truly exists.

Think Trump was aggressive to Zelenskyy for no reason?

Watch the whole talk.

Timestamps below.

Zelenskyy was emotional.

Interrupted Trump.

Called Putin names.

Raised his eyebrows.

All before Trump checked him.

And he called Vance a bitch.

He wasn’t ready for peace.

2:00 Trump compliments Zelenskyy

4:00 Zelenskyy calls Putin a terrorist

12:00 Trump cracks joke with Zelensky

13:56 Zelenskyy interrupts Trump

17:20 Zelenskyy throws his hands up in seeming frustration

19:00 reporter asks Zelenskyy why he’s not wearing a suit

19:22 Trump commits to sending arms to Ukraine

19:41 Zelensky raises eyebrows and rolls eyes at Trump’s statement

22:55 Trump takes the edge off of the suit question by joking with Zelensky that he likes his outfit

23:49 Zelensky contradicts Trump and keeps painting Putin in a negative light

24:19 Zelensky says Putin will never accept ceasefire and pushes for American security guarantee

25:55 Zelensky says Putin hates Ukrainians

27:00 Zelensky says Putin should pay all reconstruction costs

29:19 Zelensky shakes head as Trump speaks

32:22 Zelensky says Putin wants to annex Poland

32:30 Zelensky says Putin will attack America

33:00 Zelensky interrupts Trump

39:19 This is when Trump went on the offensive by calling out Zelenskyy hatred for Putin and started to escalate
39:14 Vance says Zelensky has been disrespectful, and conversation continues to escalate

42:40 Apparently calls Vance “suka”, meaning bitch, under his breath.

You don't have to like how Trump handled this, but don’t buy into the story that he ambushed or kick zelensky out.

Richcreed:
Think Trump was aggressive to Zelenskyy for no reason?

Watch the whole talk.

Timestamps below.

Zelenskyy was emotional.

Interrupted Trump.

Called Putin names.

Raised his eyebrows.

All before Trump checked him.

And he called Vance a bitch.

He wasn’t ready for peace.

2:00 Trump compliments Zelenskyy

4:00 Zelenskyy calls Putin a terrorist

12:00 Trump cracks joke with Zelensky

13:56 Zelenskyy interrupts Trump

17:20 Zelenskyy throws his hands up in seeming frustration

19:00 reporter asks Zelenskyy why he’s not wearing a suit

19:22 Trump commits to sending arms to Ukraine

19:41 Zelensky raises eyebrows and rolls eyes at Trump’s statement

22:55 Trump takes the edge off of the suit question by joking with Zelensky that he likes his outfit

23:49 Zelensky contradicts Trump and keeps painting Putin in a negative light

24:19 Zelensky says Putin will never accept ceasefire and pushes for American security guarantee

25:55 Zelensky says Putin hates Ukrainians

27:00 Zelensky says Putin should pay all reconstruction costs

29:19 Zelensky shakes head as Trump speaks

32:22 Zelensky says Putin wants to annex Poland

32:30 Zelensky says Putin will attack America

33:00 Zelensky interrupts Trump

39:19 This is when Trump went on the offensive by calling out Zelenskyy hatred for Putin and started to escalate
39:14 Vance says Zelensky has been disrespectful, and conversation continues to escalate

42:40 Apparently calls Vance “suka”, meaning bitch, under his breath.

You don't have to like how Trump handled this, but don’t buy into the story that he ambushed or kick zelensky out.

You're very funny you know.

If there's a stronger feeling than hate, I expect Zelensky to feel that for Putin.

Of course, Trump will bring that up because he loves Putin.

Hateful Trump is talking as if he's Jesus spreading love through the lands.

jelel6:
You're very funny you know.

If there's a stronger feeling than hate, I expect Zelensky to feel that for Putin.

Of course, Trump will bring that up because he loves Putin.

Hateful Trump is talking as if he's Jesus spreading love through the lands.

Thats what really happened through the whole meeting.
whatever the case, Trump doesnt want to spend more money supporting Ukraine,,over 350 billion spent by USA alone not to talk of other contributions from EU all to fight a single country,
Russia is already winning the war,Russia has already taken possesion of 25% of Ukraine,an area that is richest in mineral resources,.so what is the point in countinuing fighting?
ITrump.want to recover all American spending in the war and it seems zelensky is not ready for that .

Richcreed:


Thats what really happened through the whole meeting.
whatever the case, Trump doesnt want to spend more money supporting Ukraine,,over 350 billion spent by USA alone not to talk of other contributions from EU all to fight a single country,
Russia is already winning the war,Russia has already taken possesion of 25% of Ukraine,an area that is richest in mineral resources,.so what is the point in countinuing fighting?
ITrump.want to recover all American spending in the war and it seems zelensky is not ready for that .

Yeah, what's the point of continuing fighting? They should drop their arms and surrender for Putin to imprison their men and rape their women.

Trump is well-known for being a broad faced lair. America has spent around 120 billion. Roughly same amount as Europe altogether. Though they have being generous, but let's not exaggerate figures when we refer to them.

They're not all fighting a single country. It's Russia Vs Ukraine. Russia has had support from North Korea - both man power and weapons - Iran, and China.

Maybe the war and Americas stance truly wakes up Western Europe. They have outsourced their defence to America to enjoy their money in other areas. If they decided to militarised their countries again, Russia will only have advantage over them in terms of population, not military hardware.

justwise:

I ask you again.. why was he not embarrassed that Elon musk shows up in Oval Office wearing t-shirts, jeans and cap? Why did rule apply to Zelenskyy only?

While many of you are shamelessly worrying about suits he is worried about his people getting killed daily

Shamelessly my azz. Elon Musk is not a fellow president. President to president, you must dress formally. There are formal military uniforms that he could wear. Lol who is killing his people daily? Your lies are so 2022.

jelel6:


Yeah, what's the point of continuing fighting? They should drop their arms and surrender for Putin to imprison their men and rape their women.

Trump is well-known for being a broad faced lair. America has spent around 120 billion. Roughly same amount as Europe altogether. Though they have being generous, but let's not exaggerate figures when we refer to them.

They're not all fighting a single country. It's Russia Vs Ukraine. Russia has had support from North Korea - both man power and weapons - Iran, and China.

Maybe the war and Americas stance truly wakes up Western Europe. They have outsourced their defence to America to enjoy their money in other areas. If they decided to militarised their countries again, Russia will only have advantage over them in terms of population, not military hardware.

Have you ever wondered why Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place?

Its on record US spent over 175 B while the EU countries also spent almost same amount.
Putin said he wants peace,he has achieved his aim, Donbas is free same as other regions where ethnic Russian have been.consistently killed since 2014.prior to Putin invasion.

Russia traded.with Iran,China and NK in ammunition as members of BRICS using her own resources.

Both Ukraine and Russia used foreign military mercenaries. North korea got real war battle experience which they never expeeienced before while Ukraine used active military personnel and veterans.

War is a big business the warmongers of US military complex and European leaders want the war to continue so as to keep looting the fund meant for the war as well as bring Russia down while Russia wants no more fighting.