cyrexx:
The question is….. so after creating the universe and the earth billions of years ago, Big brother had to wait so long to show himself to Africans?

Mr anony:
This erroneously assumes that the universe is nearer it's end than it's beginning. If it lasts for another 5 trillion years, Will "big brother" have waited so long?

Think my dear Cyrexx think.

Logicboy03:
Well played....Anony....well played........you dexterously threw in the strawman with style!


This has nothing to do with the end of the universe. It is irrelevant if the world lasts 5000 trillion years from now because the fact remains that God wasted time in reaching out to humans at first with the Jews and then to Africans. Try again.

Mr anony:
You guys make me laugh sometimes. The strength of the argument lies in how long that time was. You can't say that God wasted time if you can't show that the time is indeed long.
A person living in AD50,000,000,000,000,000,000 will not think that a mere 200,000 years was a waste of time. As far as he will be concerned, God showed up in the very earliest stages of human development.

Logicboy03:
Keep arguing with yourself, bro

Mr anony:
My point has been made

Mr anony:
This erroneously assumes that the universe is nearer it's end than it's beginning. If it lasts for another 5 trillion years, Will "big brother" have waited so long?

Think my dear Cyrexx think.

cyrexx:

Actually my post is not about end of the universe as religionists firmly believe, it's about questioning the rationality of a supposed omnipotent creator waiting for like 200,000 years doing "nothing" before waking up to realise that "O, I need to reveal myself to these humans before they lose their souls in hell" What rational being (of course, you know I am merely assuming here that humans were created by a god) will create hominids 2.5 million years ago and made them fully evolved intelligent beings 200,000 years ago and do nothing till about 6,000 years to reveal himself to them?

Are you getting my point?

Secondly, looking at this in another light, considering all the apocalyptic and "end of days" emphasis of your christianity worldview, tell me, Mr Anony, do you think it's reasonable for you christians to assume our universe will last that long?

Mr anony:
You guys make me laugh sometimes. The strength of the argument lies in how long that time was. You can't say that God wasted time if you can't show that the time is indeed long.
A person living in AD50,000,000,000,000,000,000 will not think that a mere 200,000 years was a waste of time. As far as he will be concerned, God showed up in the very earliest stages of human development.

cyrexx:
Actually my post is not about end of the universe as religionists firmly believe, it's about questioning the rationality of belief in a supposed omnipotent creator waiting for like 200,000 years doing "nothing" before waking up 6,000 years ago (about 600 years ago in the case of Africans) to realise that "O, I need to reveal myself to these humans before they lose their souls in hell" What rational being (of course, you know I am merely assuming here that humans were created by a god) will create hominids 2.5 million years ago and made them fully evolved intelligent beings 200,000 years ago and do nothing till about 6,000 years ago (or otherwise about 600 years ago for Africans) to reveal himself to them?

Are you getting my point?

Secondly, looking at this in another light, considering all the apocalyptic and "end of days" emphasis of your christianity worldview, tell me, Mr Anony, do you think it's reasonable for you christians to assume our universe will last that long?

Mr anony:
Oh I see, well on looking at your claim again, I would question the argument that "God did nothing to reveal Himself" until 200,000 years ago. How do you know this to be true?

Let's hear what the bible says about that.

....For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, [b]because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.....

Romans 1:18-23

I have not assumed that the universe will last that long but then as a Christian, nothing stops that from being a possibility. We are not told the time when Christ will return so no it is not an unreasonable position for a christian to hold.

Uyi Iredia: While cyrexx believes . . .

• That matter constituted itself into the first replicators and the first organism.
• That man descended from ape-like ancestors which can be classified as apes.
• That dinosaurs evolved into birds.
• That fish evolved feet and started to walk on land and progenitized land-based organisms.
• That some mammals evolved to become aquatic-based mammals e.g whales
• That Nature can select better qualities of an organisms.

cyrexx:

thanks for your input, but how is all these related to the topic of the thread?

Uyi Iredia:

Just highlighting false false beliefs.

cyrexx:

thank you for your false statement.

Uyi Iredia:

It wasn't false. And on request I can state how those beliefs are false.

cyrexx:
I said God, according to the imaginations of the religious, did nothing to reveal himself to humans until 6,000 years ago. if you have any reference to earlier historical records of the Jews and their imaginary Yahweh before this time, pls let me know.

Seriously, you expect non-christians to take that book seriously? the book that says to murder your your daughter if she's not a virgin on her wedding night? the book that says all manknd are a result of incestuous products of children of Adam and Eve? The book that says the world will end in the lifetime of audiences of Jesus in the first century? Pls, dont get me started on how unreliable and irrelevant that book is when making rational discussions.

Quoting those verses as evidence of God revealing himself to mankind is as good as quoting Harry Potter as evidence of the fact that Lord Voldemort reveals himself to mankind.

Besides, the world has been existing billions of years before religions and their imaginary Gods came on the scene. So telling me that the world is an evidence of the religious Gods is completely out of whack.

I am getting confused here:
Christianity's worldview is: Repent, the kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus is coming soon.
Anony is saying here that: Repent, the kingdom of God may not be at hand, Jesus may come soon or not.

cyrexx:

Okay then, be my guest, I want to learn.

but know that I'm totally irreligious and quoting religious books to me is totally out of it.

hit me!

tchaik: @Uyi Iredia, i plead your indulgence bros; please which is more PLAUSIBLE? Cyrexx postulations, or some ancient scripts?

cyrexx:
The universe came into existence about 13 billions years ago…..
The earth came into existence about 4 billion years ago…..
Life on earth came into existence about 3 billions years ago
Hominids came into existence about 2.5 million years ago…
Homo sapiens came into existence about 200, 000 years ago…..
Monotheism came into existence about 6000 years ago….
Christianity came into existence about 2000 years ago…….
Islam came into existence about 1500 years ago…….
Islam and Christianity came into Africa about (earliest) between 800-200 years ago….


The question is….. so after creating the universe and the earth billions of years ago, Big brother had to wait so long to show himself to Africans?


The religious tales told by the Arabs and the Jews cannot be believed by any thinking person.
~ Harlem Ofiamaumaasu Buggatti.

am0sn0nyu:


I wonder which in between those distant period does the emergence of polytheism fits into ?