@brabus

I want to ask you one straight question. Are You a trained Architect, Builder or Structural Engineer with certification. If Yes then send me your Details and certificates privately Via email and i will resolve this matter once and for all. If not i will not allow you ever solicit jobs on Nairaland here as a professional ever.

helpee: Madam...yes I am a medical doctor and that's how we are trained. We don't accept things on face value. So unfortunate people like you that claim they come from diaspora where people are giving(given) adequate opportunity to defend themselves are the ones coming(who come ) to nigeria to do rubbish. I followed ur thread where u were posting pictures of ur tenant online and I must confess (say or state that) you dare not do such to me or a doctor(pay your debts or might be disgraced). U will learn in a hard way. You don't(do not) just reason one way and think everybody will accept it like that. For ur information, I follow (followed) all of brabus(brabus's) thread since 2011 and I never post (posted) a comment same way I follow(followed) other threads without commenting so I av a balanced sense of judgement. For ur information, just yesterday, I got a refund after 2months for a plank that was not supplied to my site and I didn't die within that two months. I wonder the level of ur education that makes u think a doctor shouldn't av a divergent opinion and I notice something about some of u in diaspora, instead of stating ur case u will start saying that somebody with certain level of education is against u so nigeria is spoilt. And for u to say u pity those that rely on my judgement is an insult to ur own level of reasoning. Don't allow this to degenerate to insult cos I notice in ur numerous comment u don't have courtesy of words (not courteous). U can avoid (ignore) me if you can't tolerate my views

See the bits in brackets. The training is evident.

gabbytabby:

See the bits in brackets. The training is evident.

gabbytabby, gabbytabbyyyy, just because helpee said he is a medical doctor does not make him one.

Is that not how Brabus (his 'innocent' friend) said he is a building engineer, that he studied Building Tech in Ibadan Polytechnic, and trained under Alex Ekwueme & Co (yes o - the renown Architectural firm in Ikoyi)? Brabus also said his father was a trained Architect and that his father taught him some of his building techniques. All this is available on the internet o.

Fast forward to today, we are now hearing Brabus never studied Building Technology and that his father is not an Architect.


So gabbytabbyyyy, leave story for lion...

Wede3:

gabbytabby, why exhaust yourself with a long explanation?

If helpee or anyone believes Brabus, let him put his money where his mouth is by giving Brabus a contract. Afterall QC-1 is doing just that....Small time now, we will hear that Brabus the defrauder has become the defrauded. Because I don't see how anyone who worked hard for their pepper will give it away to someone with a fraudulent track record...under the excuse that Brabus's 5 clients/victims are wrong and Brabus no go chop his sixth client money...

helpee carry go my brother- give Brabus your money

We always have to seek to cause a reflection especially when we deal with people that others depend on and in so doing hope to bring about change. I work extremely hard for my money and have not had a proper break in the last 4 years. We were hoping to come home and it is stuff like this that make you second guess yourself.

Wede3:


gabbytabby, gabbytabbyyyy, just because helpee said he is a medical doctor does not make him one.

Is that not how Brabus (his 'innocent' friend) said he is a building engineer, that he studied Building Tech in Ibadan Polytechnic, and trained under Alex Ekwueme & Co (yes o - the renown Architectural firm in Ikoyi)? Brabus also said his father was a trained Architect and that his father taught him some of his building techniques. All this is available on the internet o.

Fast forward to today, we are now hearing Brabus never studied Building Technology and that his father is not an Architect.


So gabbytabbyyyy, leave story for lion...

Thank you for reminding me of the fakers angle. I have dealt with some in my time.

For the last time, let me comment on this thread and then unfollow it. I can't give my project to brabus as u can see I av a thread where I am building with self supervision. Brabus is a bad manager...no doubt. He is a bad contractor...no doubt and he usually bite more than what he can chew. But that he is fraud....I can't say yet and that's what I am trying to say. And to completely absolve the client from blame is not right. U kept saying five client complained about brabus....but they are different issues. And 3 of them know each other...knew his lapses and still gave him the job. The fact that his immediate two client knows each other is worrying to me. Brabus bleeped up....but do u honestly believe that some of the issues raised here don't happen everyday on different sites with reputable contractors and they still find a way of resolving it without neccessrily running to nairaland with tantrums. Pls spare me. If the client is so sure brabus defrauded him, get him arrested but if it is a failed contract which this appear to be then I think we should give him a chance to sort himself out with the client. I feel for the client but not with the emotions of most people commenting on this thread. The main problem here is that this house is needed by 15th...if not we won't probably hear cos the client may be willing to wait. But brabus can't handle a project with deadline...I learnt that from his encounter with ahohai so I can never vouch for him to deliver any project on time. My submission remain the same...I don't support brabus action but the client had enough warnings( even from brabus) to ptotect his investment but he refused to take action till its too late. So both of them are liable.

Wede3:

gabbytabby, why exhaust yourself with a long explanation?

If helpee or anyone believes Brabus, let him put his money where his mouth is by giving Brabus a contract. Afterall QC-1 is doing just that....Small time now, we will hear that Brabus the defrauder has become the defrauded. Because I don't see how anyone who worked hard for their pepper will give it away to someone with a fraudulent track record...under the excuse that Brabus's 5 clients/victims are wrong and Brabus no go chop his sixth client money...

helpee carry go my brother- give Brabus your money

gabbytabby:

We always have to seek to cause a reflection especially when we deal with people that others depend on and in so doing hope to bring about change. I work extremely hard for my money and have not had a proper break in the last 4 years. We were hoping to come home and it is stuff like this that make you second guess yourself.

I too want Nigeria to be great... It is why I would have supported Brabus despite his previous issues with Ahonai in Lagos and Jadesque in PH... One wants to encourage brothers who are making an effort even if they have some missteps along the way...

However with 2 victims we can argue for missteps, with 5 victims we can only say the truth which is Brabus is a fraud.

Shows how literate you are. While I am not a linguist, u still need to read those things you put in bracket again. If I say I follow brabus thread, it is a continous tense so I am still following him so I can't say' I followed'[ but I follow). You hear? Why am I even replying this? Madam...you have problem. U believe you are the only one working for ur money cos you work in snow cleaning toilets for ur slavemasters abroad. We work with dignity and we work hard and still have something to show for it. For ur information, I av masters in public health from john hopkins so u can go figure that out. quote author=gabbytabby]

See the bits in brackets. The training is evident.[/quote]

helpee: Shows how literate you are. While I am not a linguist, u still need to read those things you put in bracket again. If I say I follow brabus thread, it is a continous tense so I am still following him so I can't say' I followed'[ but I follow). You hear? Why am I even replying this? Madam...you have problem. U believe you are the only one working for ur money cos you work in snow cleaning toilets for ur slavemasters abroad. We work with dignity and we work hard and still have something to show for it. For ur information, I av masters in public health from john hopkins so u can go figure that out. quote author=gabbytabby]

See the bits in brackets. The training is evident.

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Sorry so even with your MD na only toilet cleaning you were able to secure when you were at John Hopkins. He go better or should I say he don better.


Check the lets build this house thread, I was all in, supporting and defending Brabus. It was the first thread of his that I followed and then people pointed to his history on the site and what did I do, I put the breaks on.

lawyer: @brabus

I want to ask you one straight question. Are You a trained Architect, Builder or Structural Engineer with certification. If Yes then send me your Details and certificates privately Via email and i will resolve this matter once and for all. If not i will not allow you ever solicit jobs on Nairaland here as a professional ever.

good step but you need to make this a general rule. Let all builders on nairaland submit their certificates for verification by moderators before seeking for job as a professional. Not just brabus but all of them...spyder, muyesky, segcy etc.

Gabbytabby and helpee,

Please chill guys. Lets sheath the swords. This e-fight is derailing the thread already. Properties section is not known for this. Thats why I come here to reason with professionals and mature minds. I know both sidea are hurting already, but lets move on.

This is beginning to look like romance or general section, with all those kids with 10Mb daily bonus.

Madam Gabby, I hope say my spelling correct.

My people... (I will not mention anyone by name, this partains to all of us)

Please let's stop all this bickering, name-calling and all the insults we have been pouring on ourseleves here, this is not helping our cause..
Let's be civil about the whole case.. I hope Brabus and the Owner of Ile-Oluji Chateau comes to a good conclusion or amicable agreement to keep the project going..

Remember at one point, we were all here to learn and exchange ideas.. Let's keep to to that. I beleive we are all adults.
Thank you all.

Hajji Mufutau

helpee: good step but you need to make this a general rule. Let all builders on nairaland submit their certificates for verification by moderators before seeking for job as a professional. Not just brabus but all of them...spyder, muyesky, segcy etc.

Good one! but is it possible for the moderator to also confirm the authenticity of the CV's that people will send?

helpee: Rather with people like you who believe their opinion is the only thing that is right then we have a long way to go as a nation. Infact, with people like you that always take divergent opinion to be wrong, we can't have good governance in nigeria. So u think I must follow ur bandwagon approach to crucify? Who told you he didn't deliver @all. The client can't wait and he had done it so what do u want brabus to deliver other than to refund? If the client that complained about chekinaut decided to source for the granite elsewhere cos she couldn't wait and now decide to ask for a refund, will you conclude that it is a case of no delivery @all. Pls, don't ever tell somebody he can't differentiate between what is right and wrong...it is an insult. U believe ur opinion is right and I must accept it else I am wrong and u are complaining that we don't have good governance. Imagine if we have ur kind as a governor, you will throw everybody in opposition to prison cos u are the only that is right

I've said it before and I'm saying it again that Brabus' Supporters should just do the right thing by awarding him new jobs so that he'll be able to refund the money he's owing his clients. Pronto. I rest my case!

lawyer: @brabus

I want to ask you one straight question. Are You a trained Architect, Builder or Structural Engineer with certification. If Yes then send me your Details and certificates privately Via email and i will resolve this matter once and for all. If not i will not allow you ever solicit jobs on Nairaland here as a professional ever.

Lawyer,
Now, I think we need to ask you for your job descriptions here. I think you are turning yourself to a regulatory body and not a moderator. Will you go to each college and university to verify the certificate as well?. How will you carry out this verification exercise pro bono?. How will you assess someone with successful years of experience in building with no related degree like spyder880?. Is it going to apply to everyone or just Brabus?. Remember, you told me on the phone that you're neutral in this case, that you just want justice to be done. Please maintain your neutrality. We don't want a situation where you'll become the judge, the juror and the executioner!. Please advise me accordingly.

Dayoagboola:
Lawyer,
Now, I think we need to ask you for your job descriptions here. I think you are turning yourself to a regulatory body and not a moderator. Will you go to each college and university to verify the certificate as well?. How will you carry out this verification exercise pro bono?. How will you assess someone with successful years of experience in building with no related degree like spyder880?. Is it going to apply to everyone or just Brabus?. Remember, you told me on the phone that you're neutral in this case, that you just want justice to be done. Please maintain your neutrality. We don't want a situation where you'll become the judge, the juror and the executioner!. Please advise me accordingly.

My uncle never got any qualification in building technology. He was an apprentice and graduated to become a great builder. Built so many 1,2, 3, 4, 5 story buildings that are testament to his no-how.

The bone of contention here is not if brabus is qualified, he may not be but he may have employed several qualified people to work for him. it happens.

The issue is in receiving money and not delivering. If he is doing a shoddy job, i believe there is a regulatory body that the client can take his case to, even in nigeria.

helpee: good step but you need to make this a general rule. Let all builders on nairaland submit their certificates for verification by moderators before seeking for job as a professional. Not just brabus but all of them...spyder, muyesky, segcy etc.

i support this but it should be applied to all sections not only the properties section.

daroseconcepts: Gabbytabby and helpee,

Please chill guys. Lets sheath the swords. This e-fight is derailing the thread already. Properties section is not known for this. Thats why I come here to reason with professionals and mature minds. I know both sidea are hurting already, but lets move on.

This is beginning to look like romance or general section, with all those kids with 10Mb daily bonus.

Madam Gabby, I hope say my spelling correct.

Yes oh I feel you my brother. I see say you take special care

You all have a great evening.

segzy14:

please this is not proffessional, i have told u time without number to be careful, why not send him a pm or a mail. Some clients may take advantage of you. Please do things like a professional. One love.

@ eghosa johnny,
u called me this afternoon that u are not happy with my comment, anyway if i have offend you with this comment, i sincerely apologise.
One love bro.

segzy14:

@ eghosa johnny,
u called me this afternoon that u are not happy with my comment, anyway if i have offend you with this comment, i sincerely apologise.
One love bro.

@Segzy14

I expect you to have apologized on the phone, rather than coming here to tell us about your conversation.

Jussi:

@Segzy14

I expect you to have apologized on the phone, rather than coming here to tell us about your conversation.

i actually aplogized on the phone but i also promise him to apologize on this thread too

@ eghosa johnny, is d apology accepted?

@all:LOL this thread and saga will not kill me...getting interesting by the day.....

[quote author=helpee] Shows how literate you are. While I am not a linguist, u still need to read those things you put in bracket again. If I say I follow brabus thread, it is a continous tense so I am still following him so I can't say' I followed'[ but I follow). You hear? Why am I even replying this? Madam...you have problem. U believe you are the only one working for ur money cos you work in snow cleaning toilets for ur slavemasters abroad. We work with dignity and we work hard and still have something to show for it. For ur information, I av masters in public health from john hopkins so u can go figure that out.

Dignity is not synonymous with Nigerian doctors whom hippocratic oath means nothing to. You will be demanding money to be deposited by a patient at the point of death before you treat them and you are talking of working with dignity! How dare you insinuate that gabbytabby cleans toilet for a living Mr ignorant doctor? A well trained paramedic is better than you with your shoddy training in medicine. You should come to the society where there are real doctors and see how really dignified the profession is. People like you are so ignorant that they think all Nigerians in diaspora are engaged in menial jobs. I bet with your level of reasoning it will take you a while to pass your conversion exam if you ever venture to practice as a doctor either in the US or Europe. You should be civil and show decorum towards others because I believe you can make your point without being insulting.

Fellow Nigerian Youths,
WHAT IS WRONG WITH US AS PEOPLE? Could we be that generation to break the chain of wrong mentality? Someone just lost money to a fraudster disguised as building contractor!.
It’s not a time for people to flex as a lawyer, Doctors or what have you. We should ask our self what exactly left of us a Nation. Here is what people think about our leaders, ~~~ 'Your leaders have no respect for their people. They believe that their personal interests are the interests of the people. They take people's resources and turn it into personal wealth"
Are we not giving rest of the world a reason that Nigerian are bunch of reckless people that deserves exact what their leader’s throw at them. I expect moderator LAWYER raise a suggestion that we should follow this to a logical conclusion until Brabus pay all these people before we move on this thread. But, I am more than disappointed that same AUTHORITARIAN Mentality that we all inherited from military still suffices in your judgment sir.

lawyer: @brabusI want to ask you one straight question. Are You a trained Architect, Builder or Structural Engineer with certification. If Yes then send me your Details and certificates privately Via email and i will resolve this matter once and for all. If not i will not allow you ever solicit jobs on Nairaland here as a professional ever.

~~~~~~~ IS THAT ALL YOU CAN OFFER to solve all these mess? May I remind you that the GREAT SPIDER880 was never an Architect or structural Engineer and no one ever come back here with negativity about spider.
IN conclusion, I recommend a serious sanction on property section until those people come back that brabus refund those money to them. Brabus issues are not about structural problem of those building BUT, more with cash management. More like habit of taking from Paul to pay PETER!

Best post so far!
The owner of the house probably wanted to build a mansion for N20m, while Brabus would rather get his behind soiled than to be honest about the budget. The lesson is, if it sounds too good to be true, don't take it

Farm+:
Did I just read that Neophyte-mason claimed he made all the windows for this massive chateau for 500k? Did I also read that brabus planned to do all the whole windows for N750k?

If my observations were right, then I can simply say I know why you both run into trouble waters.

Whilst preparing to screed my building, someone gave me a ridiculously cheap price, I knew it will be the 8th wonder of the world if he was able to execute the project with the rates he quoted... I simply refused to give him the job.

It's easier to crucify Brabus because of his antecedents but if the truth most be told, both Neophyte-mason and Brabus are at fault. Their greed and lack of respect for due process marred this project.

Great post!!!

helpee: While it is always brabus that is always @ loggerhead with his client, I must confess that the guy probably built this chateau @ a loss. I am not a builder but the moment I saw 500K for the windows of the chateau then I knew something didn't fit. Truth be told...the fact that brabus always had issues with his client online means subsequent client may want to take advantage of him. For example, if he ask for more funds, the client will immediately become suspicious due to his antecedence and will probably threaten to expose him online again. He can be blackmailed easily. My advice for him is to take a break from online building, sit down with clients that won't rush online to come and rubbish him over every misunderstanding. I've had issues with numerous workers on my site but we usually resolve it. Building within six months is not easy but building within six months with a slim budget will definately rubbish you

Reason I am going to hook him up soon. I 've been watching his work, read the cases against him and will still work with him, but it's going to be a different ball game. Every stage of the construction recorded, everything info about the house will be in public, except for the street, city and stat.

amicdan: You guyz saying trash about brabus are all air headz...Let the two party iron their ish offline...Take legal action if neccessary.....Too many bad belles on brabus..

I defended Brabus against a lot of his traducers on the 'Lets build this House' thread because I felt it was a honest mistake but seeing ths thread turn to the dogs like these indicates that Brabus is a serial Fraudster. I hereby use this medium to apologize to those I sided Brabus against especially people who saw through his highly specialized pack of lies.

RETURN THEIR MONIES, IT DOESN'T FIT YOU...

Sending a pm does not make it any better. You don't take advantage of the fallen guy. Let the canadian makes up her mind, if still interested.

daroseconcepts:

Thank You! Despite what has happened, such open and brazen attempt to engage Qc-1 by eghosa is distasteful. He could have sent a PM instead. Not openly soliciting for business here.

Black-man(eyan dudu)...na wa oooooooo. when this trend start it was slow (mean in pages) but when there is default somewhere the pages are moving fast like light. God ur presence is needed in this case. we are not there when the transaction was going on.

Cos some people wanted him yo fail and he fell right into their hands, hopefully he got some lessons out of this cos he can't keep going like this. I believe he was desparate for job and thought he could cut corners with the budget. I will still let him handle my project. I love comeback stories and something tells this is one of them.