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Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 5:07pm On Sep 18, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: incase you are not aware the language of the church in rome from the 1st cent to the 3rd cent was greek. So we still study the language of scripture, unfortunately u and you pastors are totally ignorant in this respect. 2 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 5:14pm On Sep 18, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: so all were saved even before Christ died. That is interesting. I thought your friends say that salvation only started after Christ died. So now you are saying mary already had a saviour before Jesus was born. 3 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:46pm On Sep 18, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Mary was a sinner who needed a Saviour. Simples. ![]() |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by try69: 6:03am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: These protestants.. ![]() |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by vest(m): 7:39am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:lieszz!! the bible did nt say mary had other kids dat you own fallable worng 20th century intepretation. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:41am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Confusion is what happens when folks don't read, couldn't read or wouldn't read the facts stated in the OP. ![]() Mary the mother of Jesus was described by God as "highly favoured" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "highly favoured" comes from a single Greek word, which essentially means "much grace." Mary received God's grace. https://www.nairaland.com/1886145/what-does-bible-say-virgin |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:59am On Sep 19, 2014 |
btoks: I'll advise you to read up on my thread on the origin of the Roman catholic church. There you will find out that there was no apostolic succession from the apostles to the RCC. Below is an excerpt from the thread: On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church? https://www.nairaland.com/1878872/what-origin-catholic-church |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by vest(m): 8:02am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: why is it difficult for u to understand the word 'until' from the op's first post. if u understand,if i say "ukutsgp stay bless UN~TIL we meet again tomorro" does it mean to you dat after we meet tomoro the blessing wil size nd turn to curse? until i come, give attention to readings, exhortation,to doctrins.1 tim 4:13 so from your interpretation after paul came they no longer give attentions to readings? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:05am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Why did it stop speaking Greek? Read up on the Great Schism below: https://www.nairaland.com/1902548/what-great-schism |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 9:36am On Sep 19, 2014 |
@vest. All of us are probably aware that the Catholic and Orthodox churches believe and teach that Jesus was the only child born to Mary. In 411, Augustine wrote that Mary, "remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin" ( Sermons 186, 1: PL 38, 999 as quoted in paragraph 510 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church ). We might also know that many Anglicans believe this. But we might be surprised that some Protestants believe this. In fact, Martin Luther, Huldrych (or Ulrich) Zwingli, Heinrich Bullinger, and John Calvin all believed it. In his Commentary on Matthew , Calvin even called anyone who disagreed "pigheaded and fatuous." Perhaps even more surprising is that the eminent Baptist theologian, John Gill, regularly waffled on this subject, seeming to believe it by comments he made, but never, as far as I know, making a clear statement committing himself to it. Is there clear, biblical proof one way or the other? Jesus' Birth The first Scriptural evidence is in Matthew 1:18: "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." The Greek word translated "before" is prin . It means "prior" or "before." "Came together" is translated from sunelthein, which means to convene. But it was also used to mean to come together in marital relations. So, in other words, before Joseph and Mary had consummated their marriage, Mary was found to be pregnant with a child from the Holy Spirit. Verses 24 and 25 are often cited by Catholics as evidence of Mary's perpetual virginity: "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." The word "knew" is from the Greek word, eginōskin . As Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament explains, this normal Greek word for "knew" was used by Jews as an "idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman." "Till" serves a very great purpose in this verse. The Catholic argument is that the word "till" or "until" ( heōs in the Greek) does not necessarily mean that the action prior to the point indicated (in this case, sexual abstinence) does not continue afterward. In other words, Joseph and Mary may not have ended their sexual abstinence after Jesus' birth. They may have continued to refrain from sexual intercourse for the rest of their lives. Catholics say that this is, in fact, what happened. John Gill takes a similar position regarding the word "till": "Joseph knew her not till she had brought forth, the meaning is certain that he knew her not before. But whether he afterwards did or not, is not so manifest, nor is it a matter of any great importance." Oh, but it is important when millions of people who believe in Mary's perpetual virginity venerate her and pray to her. Yes, it is important that we find the truth of this matter. As I said above, "till" is translated from heōs . It is a conjunction that means "till" or "until." According to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary , eleventh edition, the conjunction "until" means, "up to the time that: up to such time as." |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 9:38am On Sep 19, 2014 |
" This meaning is seen in many Scriptures. For example, in Matthew 2:13, 15, and 19-20, we read, "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until [heōs ] I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him…. And was there until [heōs ] the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son…. But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life." Clearly, heōs in these verses means to do something (flee to and stay in Egypt) up to a given point (the reappearance of the angel upon the death of Herod) and then stop doing that (leave Egypt and go to Israel). This meaning is found in dozens of Scriptures referring to both time and place. I'll give a verse where heōs is used of place: "And he [Jesus] led them out as far as [ heōs ] to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them" (Luke 24:50). Did Jesus lead them farther than Bethany? No. The action of leading stopped at Bethany. 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 9:44am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Jesus' Brothers and Sisters Toward the end of Matthew 13, we read that Jesus went to Nazareth, where He was brought up, and spoke in the synagogue. The townspeople, who all knew Him and His family well, said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Matthew 13:55-56; see also Mark 6:3). This seems clear enough. But the Roman Catholic Church has this response: "Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus. The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, 'brothers of Jesus', are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls 'the other Mary'. They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression" (paragraph 500, Catechism of the Catholic Church ). John Gill also insists, " And his brethren ; not strictly so, but either the sons of Joseph by a former wife; or Mary's, or Joseph's brothers or sisters sons, and so cousins to Christ; it being usual with the Jews to call such, and even more distant relations, brethren." Gill, following the Catholic theologians on this matter, seems willing to accept any other scenario but the most obvious. Do these people name Jesus' uncles and aunts? No. Why, then, should they name His cousins? Are they not referring to Joseph, the man they think of as Jesus' father (although Jesus was really the Son of God), when they say, "Is not this the carpenter's son?" Of course. Do they not directly name Mary as Jesus' mother? Yes. If they do this, even using the label "mother" for Mary, it would be completely inconsistent to use "brethren" to refer to Jesus' cousins. It is plain that they are naming the members of his immediate family. This is very strong evidence against the Catholic position. A Messianic Prophecy Apparently John Gill and the Catholics have forgotten or want to ignore the obvious wording of the Messianic prophecy in Psalm 69:8-9: "I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." In his commentary on verse 8, Gill takes "brethren" to mean the Jews in general and "also to such who were still nearer akin to him, according to the flesh." In commenting on "an alien unto my mother's children," Gill points out that "alien" can be taken as "Gentile" or "heathen," but completely ignores "my mother's children." For this prophecy to be fulfilled in Jesus Christ, He had to have had brethren, and His mother had to have had other children. In fact, the Psalmist was simply using the Hebraism of repeating something two different ways when he said, "I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children," for, of course, these two phrases mean exactly the same thing. Jesus' brethren were His mother's children. This prophecy is devastating evidence against the Catholic assertion that Mary had no other children. By the way, this also puts to rest Gill's suggestion that the brothers of Jesus might be the sons of Joseph by a former wife. They cannot be so if they are, as the Psalm says, His "mother's children." Other Scriptures that refer directly to Jesus' siblings are Matthew 12:46-49; Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; John 7:3-10; Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 9:5; Galatians 1:19. Never once, in all the references to these people, are they referred to with the Greek word suggenēs , which has the general meaning of "cousin" or "kinsman." The word used is always adelphos, "brother." 5 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 9:49am On Sep 19, 2014 |
A Distorted View of Marriage Something I want to point out here is that the Catholic doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity leads to a distorted view of sex in marriage. Catholics maintain—without any biblical evidence —that Mary herself was immaculately conceived and remained without sin all her life. The idea that she never had sex is a part of this doctrine. However, the Bible shows that this view backfires on itself. While sex outside of marriage is a sin, within marriage, sexual relations are clearly sanctified (Hebrews 13:4). Yet, the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity intimates that sexual intercourse with her husband would somehow have defiled her, and that she is to be revered because she remained a virgin. This makes a mockery of God's institution of marriage. The sin would have been in Mary's remaining a virgin (1 Corinthians 7:3-5). By the way, the Bible never so much as hints at other Catholic doctrines that Mary was born from an immaculate conception, that she was sinless at birth, or that she remained sinless. The Bible tells us, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). The only one born of a woman who knew no sin was Jesus Christ: "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" (2 Corinthians 5:21). The truth is that Mary was a human being and sinner like any other. To say otherwise is a denial of the Bible's teaching of the total depravity of all humans 3 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 9:51am On Sep 19, 2014 |
@vest. In summary, there is not a shred of evidence in the Bible to support the idea that Mary remained a virgin and never had other children after giving birth to Jesus. In fact, as we have seen, there is much evidence to the contrary. Additionally, the notion that had Mary remained a virgin even though she was married to Joseph carries with it the idea that it was somehow noble and beautiful for this married woman to refrain from sexual intercourse with her husband, that sex would somehow have tainted her. This directly contradicts the Bible's teaching that sex in marriage is right and good and ought to be done. Scripture only indicates that Mary and Joseph refrained from sex until Jesus was born so as not to put His paternity in question and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled (Isaiah 7:14). But after that, they conducted themselves as a normal husband and wife, and Mary gave birth to the brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Scriptures. 3 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by btoks: 1:18pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Your claims were debunked in that thread and I’ll say, this is a big claim you’ve got here and you know that your copied write up is no prove of this. Unfortunately it goes against recorded history. Even the Eastern Orthodox Church believe the CC has Apostolic Succession. This goes back to what church Irenaeus was referring to in Against Heresies, what church ignatius was referring to? and where is that church is today? In a previous post, I gave an analogy of an adult and his baby self - would you say these two are different people because they appear different? You raised a number of practices you believe are specifc to the CC and not in the NT. Unfortunately with sola scriptura lenses you're very limited in understanding Christian history. If you’re into reading (you should be if you want to be an apologetic), I’ll suggest a book by John Henry Newman (convert to CC in 19th Cent.) An essay on the development of Christian Doctrine (you can get a free e-book on the internet). It explains how the seeds of our christian faith eventually blossomed through history with better understanding. This intelligent guy was also the one who said "to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant" I won’t paste all the church fathers writings here as you never address them when posted. Once again, please remember that the bible was written for the church not the other way round. 2 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:45pm On Sep 21, 2014 |
btoks: Here are just a few examples of the continual evolution of pagan practices brought into the Roman Catholic Church, starting in 310 A.D.: Prayers for the dead were introduced in 310 http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2042.cfm |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by btoks: 1:43pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Lol hysterically! So you rehashed this list again. I've seen it in several threads, 1 or 2 by you as well. Firstly, I see that you have omitted the following: the compilation/declaration of the bible canon, the teaching on the trinity, observation of Easter,nature of Jesus Christ which all came after the 3rd Century. Secondly, the majority of your list is just plain false - the CC does not worship Mary, Images, relics,saints. The mass was instituted by Jesus and through apostolic tradition. There is no apocrypha in the bible , the deutero canonicals were declared as part of the bible canon. You may wish to go with the Jews who only accept the OT. Apostolic tradition not Roman tradition - you might want to question Paul in 2 Thess 2. By the way I'm sure you know there are Eastern rites within the CC and not just roman catholic e.g- Syro Malabar. A number of the things on there are not even dogma but church discipline matters which could be changed if necessary - e.g. latin, celibacy, robes. I'm not going to waste time going through absolutely everything because there are untruths there. The dogmas that are right were defined as part of the Church's Authority Did you ever read the essay on the development of Christian doctrine[b][/b] that I recommended? 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:12pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
btoks: The list is not going anywhere until you adequately address it. You are yet to answer the question of when the OT canon was compiled/declared. The divine Godhead, nature of Jesus and the Easter (the passover feast) is clear written and implied throughout the Holy Scriptures unless you are saying that the Roman catholic church added it there. btoks: You can deny the obvious all you want that wouldn't change the fact. Can you show us from Scripture where our Lord Jesus Christ instituted the Mass? I'm curious to know. And what did you add in between your Old and NT bibles? Did our Lord Jesus and His apostles quote from them? Don't tell me about the so called fathers, I need to know where the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles quoted from your so called books added after Malachi? ![]() btoks: If you cannot substantiate your church dogmas from the Apostles' teaching then it should be done away with. btoks: The Bible has all I need for Christian doctrine. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Timothy 3:16-17) |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by btoks: 10:48am On Sep 26, 2014 |
The list is not going anywhere until you adequately address it. You are yet to answer the question of when the OT canon was compiled/declared. The divine Godhead, nature of Jesus and the Easter (the passover feast) is clear written and implied throughout the Holy Scriptures unless you are saying that the Roman catholic church added it there. The protestant bible (OT) is not complete so I don’t know what point you’re trying to prove, the canon was published in the late 4th century and formally declared in the 16th at the Council of Trent (after protestant challenge). I’ve mooted the point of going with the Jews rejection of the NT if you’re concerned about the deuterocanonicals. It’s amazes me that you think these articles of faith are clear in scriptures when there were debates/ heresies for centuries. This is why it needed the church to declare what the true faith is. Just as in Acts 15. You can deny the obvious all you want that wouldn't change the fact. Can you show us from Scripture where our Lord Jesus Christ instituted the Mass? I'm curious to know. And what did you add in between your Old and NT bibles? Did our Lord Jesus and His apostles quote from them? Don't tell me about the so called fathers, I need to know where the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles quoted from your so called books added after Malachi?The bible does not contain everything Jesus said or did nor is there anyway you can prove your sola scriptura from the bible. You can get an idea of the church set up by looking at how the faith was practiced in the early days. It certainly was not sola Scriptura or protestant worship. Your point about quotes from the apostles – this point is not valid as it appears Jude quoted from the book of Enoch that didn’t end up in the bible, also our Lord Jesus talked about moses’ seat in Matt 23 - would you mind showing me where this came from because you won’t find this in the OT. However, please check out Hebrews 11:35 which refers to an event in 2 Maccabees 7. If you cannot substantiate your church dogmas from the Apostles' teaching then it should be done away with.The church was giving the authority to bind and lose and that's what it's been doing through antiquity to date – We’ve been over this, you can question our Lord Jesus if you disagree. The Bible has all I need for Christian doctrine.[/quote] This passage is often used as prove of sola scriptura but is very wrong. Firstly, it says scripture is profitable not all sufficient. Secondly from your logic I also read from the bible that perseverance is all I need to be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing ( James 1:4). This is why you need the totality of church authority to make decisions, some sect might wake up tomorrow saying , you see it says it in the bible that all you need is perseverance!! Thirdly, the passage you quote is taken well out of context – because the previous verses also talk about Timothy continuing in the things he has learnt from whom he had learned them and also scriptures which at this point would have been the OT. How do you know that we should follow the bible and the bible alone? In your view who makes the decision when there is misinterpretation and opposing views on articles of christian faith? 3 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 8:08pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: and according to you, she was saved before the birth and death of Jesus. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 8:12pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: it stopped speaking greek because greek wasn't the language of the people. Your link is off point. The church stopped speaking liturgical greek in the 3rd century, the schism happened in the 11th century. The schism isn't the reason why greek was stopped. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:45pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
btoks: When was the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures published, 4th century by the RCC? btoks: Neither Jesus nor His Apostles quoted from the apocrypal and the fact that one quotes a prophecy does not mean quoting from a book. The OT books do not contradict the NT they complement each other. This cannot be said for the books you added in between the OT and NT. btoks: The list I posted there shows the pagan origin of your traditions which is not congruent with the Scriptures. btoks: You need the Holy Spirit who breathed the Scriptures into existence not your tradition of men for the interpretation of the Scriptures. The Scriptures are God breathed. btoks: When your will becomes the will of God you will know whether the doctrines are of God or not. You will not have to depend on faulty human traditions. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:52pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Only Jesus had a miraculous conception and a virgin birth. This cannot be said about Mary who had to had to go for purification after the birth of Jesus. (Luke 2:22). |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:54pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Why did they speak Greek in the first place? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:48pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:greek was an alternate language in the roman empire. Most of those who didn't speak latin spoke greek. Those who preach the gospel to rome, spoke greek, peter and paul... The next bishop was linus another who spoke greek... As such greek stuck as a liturgical language in the roman church. Up till today you will still hear greek in every mass said in latin, the prayer that is used to ask for forgiveness of sins in a latin mass, i.e the "kyrie elesion", is still in greek. 4 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:50pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:and yet according to you mary was saved before the birth of Christ. If mary was already saved before the death of Christ as you claim, why does she undergo the purification? 2 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:32pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: What's the point in conducting Mass in a language you don't understand? This is the more reason why the gospel should be preached in languages understood by the hearers, that way they would be able to worship God in spirit and in truth instead of just following rituals and dogmas. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:49pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Did Mary believe God for her salvation? The fact that Mary believed God for her salvation and that she also went for purification should tell you that your church tradition that says she was born without sin is faulty. This is what Jesus said of such practise: "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition..." (Mark 7:13). Apostle Paul said this: "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ" (2 Cor 2:17). You should listen to Apostle Peter who said: "...We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Pdizzle(m): 11:10pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
The problem with you protestants is that you people just read the bible and don't study it, then remove the part that favours your argument. For those saying Mary had another child. In most traditional languages there's no word for cousin they are called brothers. The verse below mentioned four brothers that are actually Christ's cousin Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? Then the verse below now indicates the mother of these brothers whose name was also Mary and another sister of Mary the mother of God whose name was Mary too. Matthew 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. This verse stressed it further, as Mary the mother of God can never be referred to the other Mary. Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Another proof, as Joses mentioned in Matthew 13, is mentioned here. John 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid. This is another mention of the James and Judas mentioned earlier, and this Judas was actually the traitor who betrayed Jesus. If virgin Mary actually have birth to who betrayed Jesus, the bible will make mention of it, and it's not possible for the womb that carried the saviour to carry the betrayer. Remember what Jesus said according to Judas that "it will be better for him not to have been conceived" Are you saying he was talking to his own mother? John 6:16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. At this point below, Jesus handed over Mary to John the beloved as Jesus was all she's got, if he had direct siblings that would not have happened. John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Mary had no other Child after Jesus as far as the Bible is concerned, and Catholics don't worship Mary, we honour her. For her to carry God for nine months, she is free of any blemish. 5 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Pdizzle(m): 11:31pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Thread for Catholics https://www.nairaland.com/1923744/christ-rock |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by coolviv: 11:56pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Una too dey worry. Leave Mary alone ooo, if you don't believe, your loss, if you believe carry go dey enjoy the benefits. No fight for church, pray make I say AMEN!! Try and even Google this our Mary sef, see how she is soooo close to mankind appearing all over the world and leaving behind unexplainable miracles. Even scientists who are usually atheists leave catholic church alone as they see too many things their knowledge can not explain. So tey she appear for Nigeria where girl wey never go school before begin speak queen's English to pass her message along. Forget ooo, better pally this our Mother ooo, a t the last day, if you are wrong, nothing lost, if you are right, Na window you go take enter heaven o, incase your sin plenty. After all, nobody has gone to heaven to ask God the truth and come back. Na wetin people like us teach us we dey take fight here like say we even sure. Holy Mary, Mother of God, I dey your side kampe like Aki n Pawpaw. Nothing dey happen. God no go vex say I like Him mama too much. 5 Likes |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ukutsgp(m): 12:05am On Sep 29, 2014 |
catholic gullible since 1900. 1 Like |
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