Xcapist:

Hehehe, I believe we're getting somewhere at least since your still here on the thread and you don't feel the need to knock my brain

Exactly. If he's perfect then you should expect nothing less than that as his "Word", right? If the word is imperfect and deformed then it says the same about the author too. And if Yahweh, the author is imperfect then he's no god because God is suppose to be perfect...am I making sense to you?

No

sheunfemix: No

Let's go again, more slowly this time. Stay with me. Let me use the lion giving birth to a goat analogy. It may not be the most suited analogy but I believe you're very familiar it. A lion cannot give birth to a goat. Perfection can't give birth to imperfection. If we see a goat then we can be sure the parent is also a goat not a lion. In the same vane, if we see an imperfect "Word of God" then we can expect its author to be imperfect.

Capisce??

Xcapist:
Let's go again, more slowly this time. Stay with me. Let me use the lion giving birth to a goat analogy. It may not be the most suited analogy but I believe you're very familiar it. A lion cannot give birth to a goat. Perfection can't give birth to imperfection. If we see a goat then we can be sure the parent is also a goat not a lion. In the same vane, if we see an imperfect "Word of God" then we can expect its author to be imperfect.

Capisce??

Naaa

@Xcapist I have been following your thread Frm d beginning to this time and I can say I have gained a lot especially from pastoraio with his honest "long" answer,I can't believe a pastor can be that honest about God, and spiritual matters.

One thing I have noticed is that Christians,I mean staunch Christians have formed deep emotional attachment with "Yahweh". It's just like When you love someone deeply, no matter What negative thing another person might tell you about your lover,you won't believe it nor want to accept it because of the emotional attachment you have with the person,you would only think the person is jealous.
The same thing applies to Christians,They are emotionally bonded to "Yahweh" so whatever negative thing you say or imply or that you are driving at, would be opposed logically or illogically,because "Yahweh" is So dear to their heart you shouldn't mess with "him/it/her" .

If you want to have a reasonable debate with Christians first make them understand that you do not hate "Yahweh", that you are not against Christianity, that you don't think their belief is silly,you just have to appeal to their emotions first and respect their beliefs. Trust me that is exactly What the British Christians did to make primitive yorubas renounce their gods for "Yahweh" and That's the same way you can make them............you know the rest..........

sheunfemix: Naaa

Hahaha. Wait. Are you deliberately doing this or are you really this

sheunfemix: Naaa

If you were told a lioness gave birth to a goat,would you believe?

Dapo777:
If you were told a lioness gave birth to a goat,would you believe?

Nope

Xcapist:

Hahaha. Wait. Are you deliberately doing this or are you really this

I'm I really this what?!! Say it oh. And see if u will not receive that long awaiting knock in the brain. The knock I will give u is carrying weight

You think u can use human logic to understand God. Just so u know, He can not be contained and that is why He deals with pple in diverse ways. To me that doesn't mean he isn't perfect. Reason him out the way u want to. But u can never get me to reason in the same line. So continue site anoda example. My answer is still.. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Go and kill ursef

sheunfemix: Nope

Good,now If you were told a book with imperfections was written by someone absolutely perfect,would you believe?

sheunfemix: You think u can use human logic to understand God. Just so u know, He can not be contained and that is why He deals with pple in diverse ways. To me that doesn't mean he isn't perfect. Reason him out the way u want to. But u can never get me to reason in the same line. So continue site anoda example. My answer is still.. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Go and kill ursef

And I salute you for ur loyalty to God,It's good.

sheunfemix: You think u can use human logic to understand God. Just so u know, He can not be contained and that is why He deals with pple in diverse ways. To me that doesn't mean he isn't perfect. Reason him out the way u want to. But u can never get me to reason in the same line. So continue site anoda example. My answer is still.. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Go and kill ursef

Clap for yourself. Just know it's blind, unquestionable faith that is responsible for the brainwashed BH, ISIS people, people eager to do what their god commands without using their 'god-given' mind to ask questions... because after all, you can't use logic to understand god.

Go and kill ursef? Will Jesus say that?

Dapo777:

Good,now If you were told a book with imperfections was written by someone absolutely perfect,would you believe?

. Yes!! Since the person is absolutely perfect the He must know what He is doing. It is you that is imperfect that has failed to see it.

sheunfemix: . Yes!! Since the person is absolutely perfect the He must know what He is doing. It is you that is imperfect that has failed to see it.

Incredible. It's just incredible how you think and process things. You're a marvel.

Xcapist:

It's blind, unquestionable faith that is responsible for the brainwashed BH, ISIS people, and all the people being milked by pastorpreneurs, people eager to do what their god commands without questioning because after all, you can't use logic to understand god.

Go and kill ursef? Will Jesus say that?

I am not brain washed by anybody and no pastor milks me. To me, all these pastor are human which means they are subjectable to flaws and they also err. My perfect example is Christ. If Jesus can call some people "generations of vipers" or "Fool" then I'm sure he can tell the likes of u to go and kill ur sef what is BH ISIS people o

sheunfemix: . Yes!! Since the person is absolutely perfect the He must know what He is doing. It is you that is imperfect that has failed to see it.

Am glad you admit I am imperfect, now who made me imperfect?

Dapo777:
Am glad you admit I am imperfect, now who made me imperfect?

. Good question. Now the bible says our imperfection is made perfect in Him. Its just as little babies who have no record of the past and can do nothing on their own. Showing them how to go about things shows we- Adults are kinda perfect and when people see ur kid outside they say... "Awww such a perfect girl, her manners are impeccable" got it?

sheunfemix: I am not brain washed by anybody and no pastor milks me. To me, all these pastor are human which means they are subjectable to flaws and they also err. My perfect example is Christ. If Jesus can call some people "generations of vipers" or "Fool" then I'm sure he can tell the likes of u to go and kill ur sef what is BH ISIS people o

Good point. I'm sure he's seated at the right hand side of God now, with a big grin nodding his approval and flashing you a thumbs up for your able representation...

Boko and Islamic Caliphate.

sheunfemix: . Good question. Now the bible says our imperfection is made perfect in Him. Its just as little babies who have no record of the past and can do nothing on their own. Showing them how to go about things shows we- Adults are kinda perfect and when people see ur kid outside they say... "Awww such a perfect girl, her manners are impeccable" got it?

But that doesn't answer my simple question.
Who made me imperfect?

PastorAIO you said something about someone being able to predict your choices because the person knows your personality, But are you then trying to say that God knows our personality before he created us? If Yes,What were we before God created us? Did our personality exist before we existed because obviously If you know about something before it materialize that means you designed it yourself then I can say God designed my personality because he knew my personality before I was created,hence I have no take in the formation of my personality, and by implication I have no freewill Since According to you choices (freewill) comes as a result of our personality.

Goodnight sheunfemix, sleep tight and sweet dreams.

Dapo777:


But that doesn't answer my simple question.
Who made me imperfect?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Xcapist:


Clap for yourself. Just know it's blind, unquestionable faith that is responsible for the brainwashed BH, ISIS people, people eager to do what their god commands without using their 'god-given' mind to ask questions... because after all, you can't use logic to understand god.

Go and kill ursef? Will Jesus say that?

The Christian faith is not blind, it is trusting. Also, the Christian faith asks and answers questions. It is another matter if you are willing to hear its answers.

Image123:


Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Why am I asked to be perfect Since God didn't make me perfect?

Xcapist I dint see ur good night greeting. Guess dinner knocked me out . Dapo777 it is glaring u won't accept whatever answer u are provided and every answer will lead to anoda question. It is @ thiS point I usually hush up. Image123 they are not ready to see or accept the answer.

sheunfemix:
Xcapist I dint see ur good night greeting. Guess dinner knocked me out . Dapo777 it is glaring u won't accept whatever answer u are provided and every answer will lead to anoda question. It is @ thiS point I usually hush up. Image123 they are not ready to see or accept the answer.

You didn't answer my question how do you know this?

sheunfemix:
Xcapist I dint see ur good night greeting. Guess dinner knocked me out . Dapo777 it is glaring u won't accept whatever answer u are provided and every answer will lead to anoda question. It is @ thiS point I usually hush up. Image123 they are not ready to see or accept the answer.

Sometimes we give them answer just for the sake of other readers who have open hearts to read and digest the message.
As for the likes of Dapo, your answers might be falling in a stony heart.

Good thread.

If Yahweh is supposedly perfect and primordial, What happened to him? Why create the world? Was he just bored or incomplete?

A perfect being does not need advancement or improvement, no.

Dapo777:


Why am I asked to be perfect Since God didn't make me perfect?

Who said God didn't make you perfect?

sheunfemix:
Xcapist I dint see ur good night greeting. Guess dinner knocked me out . Dapo777 it is glaring u won't accept whatever answer u are provided and every answer will lead to anoda question. It is @ thiS point I usually hush up. Image123 they are not ready to see or accept the answer.

i know them well, thanks Sheun.

Image123:


The Christian faith is not blind, it is trusting. Also, the Christian faith asks and answers questions. It is another matter if you are willing to hear its answers.

But are the answers it gives accurate?

Image123:


Who said God didn't make you perfect?

Wow,did God make me perfect? So why do I make mistakes? Or What is your own definition of perfect?