Kenny4lyfe:
UKZone2 will never be the same again!
@PastorKun why not go to the UK and witness the event yourself?

Gombs:


hahahahahaha.... that guy is somewhere in Lagos selling auto parts, how on earth do you want him to afford a trip to the UK? Anyways, he can write Sahara Reporters to go find out.

Gombs:


hahahahahaha.... that guy is somewhere in Lagos selling auto parts, how on earth do you want him to afford a trip to the UK? Anyways, he can write Sahara Reporters to go find out.

PastorKun:


Maybe your oga, (joagbaje) can sponsor me since he has so much money to splash around. On second thoughts, why would I want to go half way across the world to watch a charade being organised by a shameless man who can't take care of his home

PastorKun:


Maybe your oga, (joagbaje) can sponsor me since he has so much money to splash around. On second thoughts, why would I want to go half way across the world to watch a charade being organised by a shameless man who can't take care of his home

Kenny4lyfe:


I thought you're hell-bent on unraveling the "charades being perpetrated by this shenanigans"?
So, all this your rant on NL na shakara?
Abi no be your personal conviction be that?
Na wa oh!

Gombs:


forget these guys jare... thier mouth na only on NL... remember that anti tithe tract thread? It's almost 3 months now no action. Let's not even talk about UK, IPPC is next month, Kunle and his band of misfits CANNOT come close to the arena, not because they are barred, but either because they can't stand excellence and progressiveness or because they simply don't want to be proved wrong.

Gombs:


forget these guys jare... thier mouth na only on NL... remember that anti tithe tract thread? It's almost 3 months now no action. Let's not even talk about UK, IPPC is next month, Kunle and his band of misfits CANNOT come close to the arena, not because they are barred, but either because they can't stand excellence and progressiveness or because they simply don't want to be proved wrong.

Kenny4lyfe:


I thought you're hell-bent on unraveling the "charades being perpetrated by this shenanigans"?
So, all this your rant on NL na shakara?
Abi no be your personal conviction be that?
Na wa oh!

PastorKun:


Would you be attending the IPPC? Or the meagre partnership you contributed does not qualify you to attend?

PastorKun:


What's their to unravel The whole world apart from his victims who worship him in cec already know that he is a charlatan and it's all a charade. oyaks had the opportunity to prove himself when NBC insisted that his miracles must be verifiable before he can air them on national TV instead of him to verify his 'miracles' and continue airing his ATM, he had to yank it off national TV to avoid facing the wrath of the law.

Gombs:




Yes, would you be able to come to LCA?

PastorKun:


Ok let me know when you are in Lagos so I can take you out for lunch.

PastorKun:

What's their to unravel The whole world apart from his victims who worship him in cec already know that he is a charlatan and it's all a charade. oyaks had the opportunity to prove himself when NBC insisted that his miracles must be verifiable before he can air them on national TV instead of him to verify his 'miracles' and continue airing his ATM, he had to yank it off national TV to avoid facing the wrath of the law.

PastorKun:


What's their to unravel

There isn't now is there?

The whole world apart from his victims who worship him in cec already know that he is a charlatan and it's all a charade. oyaks had the opportunity to prove himself when NBC insisted that his miracles must be verifiable before he can air them on national TV instead of him to verify his 'miracles' and continue airing his ATM, he had to yank it off national TV to avoid facing the wrath of the law.

It isn't a miracle if it's verifiable sir!
The NBC of all people knew that (at least the christians amongst them), they yank off ATM off of national TV not the other way around. BLW simply outsmart them by thinking outside the box and now, ATM is viewed all around the world!

A question sir- where has your criticism taken you: Local, National, Continental, Worldwide or simply confined to nairaland?

Lobeez:


Same way they silenced another crook called Benny Hinn in the US.

Dude couldn't even provide a single documented verifiable miracle claim

Benny Hinn has even denied saying he declares people healed but that they are the ones who say they are healed themselves. Trust Yankees, them no give the guy space to pull an Oyakhilome on them

Kenny4lyfe:


There isn't now is there?



It isn't a miracle if it's verifiable sir!
The NBC of all people knew that (at least the christians amongst them), they yank off ATM off of national TV not the other way around. BLW simply outsmart them by thinking outside the box and now, ATM is viewed all around the world!

A question sir- where has your criticism taken you: Local, National, Continental, Worldwide or simply [size=30pt]confined to nairaland[/size]?

paulGrundy:


I dunno what you mean by the word silenced, but it may interest you to know that benny hinn's crusade in india attracted over 7.5 million people. BHM ministries is still alive and thriving in america and in other parts of the world. Below is BHM schedule in case you want to verify my claim.
http://www.bennyhinn.org/event-schedule/

paulGrundy:


Evander Holyfield, a well known boxer attributed his healing to Benny hinn.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Hinn

paulGrundy:

There are several archives of documented doctor certified miracles that occured in hinns crusades. I remember one I've read- I believe in miracles by hinn. It contains many testimonies with doctors reports, verifiable addresses/ hospitals, everything.

paulGrundy:

I doubt if hinn said the bolded, but can you please show me the source/link to where he said that?

Kenny4lyfe:


It isn't a miracle if it's verifiable sir!

Kenny4lyfe:

The NBC of all people knew that (at least the christians amongst them), they yank off ATM off of national TV not the other way around. BLW simply outsmart them by thinking outside the box and now, ATM is viewed all around the world!

Kenny4lyfe:

A question sir- where has your criticism taken you: Local, National, Continental, Worldwide or simply confined to nairaland?

Lobeez:


7.5 million my bum, those figures are usually exaggerated. I'll give you and example, Pastor Chris has been reported by his ministry to pull up to 3.5million people during a crusade at the national stadium surulere. now tell me, hows that possible? Lets do a small maths okay
if the total sitting capacity of the stadium is 60,000 for instance, and the open field takes the same capacity of 60,000 that totals to 120,000 right? lets assume the impossible that the overflow outside the stadium takes twice this number that is 240,000 (impossible) that means total attendance grosses at 380,000 which is still less than half a million. Yet this liars claimed they had 3.5million people in attendance and even called it a conservative estimate. Wow!

You're not current dude,[b]Holyfield was later confirmed to have been misdiagnosed, even the wikipedia link you posted admits this

"...Holyfield later stated that his heart was misdiagnosed due to the morphine pumped into his body."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield

However, watching a television show hosted by preacher Benny Hinn, Holyfield says he felt his heart heal. He and Hinn subsequently became friends and he became a frequent visitor to Hinn's crusades. In fact, during this time, Holyfield went to a Benny Hinn crusade in Philadelphia, had Hinn lay hands on him and gave Hinn a check for $265,000 after he was told he was healed.He then passed his next examination by the boxing commission. Holyfield later stated that his heart was misdiagnosed due to the morphine pumped into his body

In 1995, Holyfield returned to the ring with a ten-round decision win versus former Olympic gold medalist, Ray Mercer.

After this discovery he was interviewed and this is what he said "There really was not anything to heal. That is because I do not believe that I had a problem with my heart to begin with."

That is so not true, none of Hinns miracles have checked out. Most of his miracle recipients have been traced and all have been found to either still live with the same sicknesses or that their conditions were exaggerated or that they have even died.
Some of his books have been rewritten several times because of false testimonies he published and he was forced to remove the testimonies

With all pleasure Sir


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH4J75BfPbA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEo6-i_aZw

Lobeez:


No my dear, its the other way round , When Jesus performed miracles, no one doubted whether they happened, they only questioned what power he used. At some point he even sent some lepers he had healed to the priests to confirm them cleansed and reintroduce them to the society

Oyaks was asked to produce evidence and he didn't or should I say couldn't. What he did was ask his supporters to go and carry placards

He didn't tell you he was looking for fame did he? Everybody operates in their own league. Have you heard of James Randi or Derren Brown?
They've helped expose similar criminals like your pastor and yes they are well known.

Kenny4lyfe:






It isn't a miracle if it's verifiable sir!

paulGrundy:


What's amusing about this quote is that you are basing your estimations on assumptions, do you know the capacity of the loveworld crusade grounds? Where you at Hinn's crusade? What proof can you hinge your estimates on?

paulGrundy:


This is the full quote of the wikipeadia link, although wikipaedia is biased, but it implied that Holyfield was healed, contrary to the misleading way you quoted it.

However, watching a television show hosted by preacher Benny Hinn, Holyfield says he felt his heart heal. He and Hinn subsequently became friends and he became a frequent visitor to Hinn's crusades. In fact, during this time, Holyfield went to a Benny Hinn crusade in Philadelphia, had Hinn lay hands on him and gave Hinn a check for $265,000 after he was told he was healed.He then passed his next examination by the boxing commission. Holyfield later stated that his heart was misdiagnosed due to the morphine pumped into his body

In 1995, Holyfield returned to the ring with a ten-round decision win versus former Olympic gold medalist, Ray Mercer.

After this discovery he was interviewed and this is what he said "There really was not anything to heal. That is because I do not believe that I had a problem with my heart to begin with."

^^ according to peadia he did make the above comment, he might have had a medical condition other the heart condition, that peadia did not tell us, why was he seeking a miracle in the first place? To stage miracle Is it a coincidence that after Hinns prayer, he passed the examination by the boxing commision?

Am very certain that his doctor misdiagnosed his medical condition. The anointing of the holyghost through Hinn removed the negative effects of the excessive morphine in his body.

I think you are examining the facts biasedly.

paulGrundy:

Facts? Examples? Evidence of your claims? Are you saying the above to because his critics said so?

paulGrundy:


Funny how you didn't show proof for your claims in your earlier post.

PastorKun:



A miracle can't verified You now see the damage oyakhilome is doing to your already pathetic mental faculties. This criminal has totally destroyed your ability to reason. I remember this was the manipulative lie that he told his victims when NBC insisted he must verify his miracles before airing them. He said " how can mere mortals want to verify spiritual things"? Thus confusing his victims and giving him an escape route for his inability to verify even a single miracle.

I pray God delivers you, Gombs and others from the spell of oyakhilome. Amen( I suspect joagbaje's case is beyond redemption though as he might have sold his soul to the devil)

paulGrundy:


You are wrong sir, when Jesus rose from the dead, the religious leaders of his time cried foul! They didn't believe, the accused his disciples of hiding his body.

paulGrundy:


Says who? You? Who told you he couldn't provide evidence of the miracles?

paulGrundy:

I think you are just making that assumption because he pulled out atmosphere for miracles from our regular T.V stations. Don't forget that it is still being telecast on loveworld sattelite. Atmosphere for faith by CEC is still aired in our local stations, in fact one is aired in MITV yesterday by 10pm. Guess what? Its still about miracles.

paulGrundy:

I have watched Browns "miracle for sale" show.

paulGrundy:


Hello pastor kun

Have you considered the possibility that you may be misinterpreting his comment?